Max pts

[KDB]

What are the Max points by species in Washington

[jackelope]

The current special permit drawing stuff started in 1996.

[Wingin it]

I don’t believe there is a max on points in Washington. When they changed the draw system however many points you had at the time were awarded across all categories. So if you had 5 points when they switched you were given 5 points for each new drawing category. Hard to say how many points some folks may have had at that time.

[Dan-o]

I don’t believe there is a max on points in Washington. When they changed the draw system however many points you had at the time were awarded across all categories. So if you had 5 points when they switched you were given 5 points for each new drawing category. Hard to say how many points some folks may have had at that time.

I'm pretty sure Jackelope is right, and everyone started at 0 in 1996.

The only wrinkle I know of is that you can get awarded points for certain actions like turning in a poacher, so in that case you'd have more than what we'd commonly think of as Max Points.

[jackelope]

What I’m saying is the highest number of points anyone could have with the potential for poacher points and any other rewarded points excluded would be 28 at this point. Once you put in this year will put it at 29 if you’ve put in every year and haven’t drawn anything in that category.

[OltHunter]

Max points also don't mean much in WA. Too many points overall, too many applicants, and not enough tags.

WDFW also hasn't posted any worth while draw odds/statistics in years, which seems strange to me, so technically we can't even see what max points is anymore.

With no data for so long, the validity of their draw is very questionable especially after last years debacle.

[Dan-o]

What I’m saying is the highest number of points anyone could have with the potential for poacher points and any other rewarded points excluded would be 28 at this point. Once you put in this year will put it at 29 if you’ve put in every year and haven’t drawn anything in that category.

 

There was a time 2o+ years ago when you felt good about drawing a nice buck or bull tag with 7-8 points.
Now....................     :'(

[Stein]

Max points also don't mean much in WA. Too many points overall, too many applicants, and not enough tags.

WDFW also hasn't posted any worth while draw odds/statistics in years, which seems strange to me, so technically we can't even see what max points is anymore.

With no data for so long, the validity of their draw is very questionable especially after last years debacle.

They don't post odds because people would stop applying if they find out with max points they have a 3% chance of drawing.  They would also get angry customers if they found out some people have much more than max.  Ignorance is bliss and blissful people keep buying.

It's not just WA, no state is going to go out of their way to point out how low the odd are.

[CarbonHunter]

What I’m saying is the highest number of points anyone could have with the potential for poacher points and any other rewarded points excluded would be 28 at this point. Once you put in this year will put it at 29 if you’ve put in every year and haven’t drawn anything in that category.

 

There was a time 2o+ years ago when you felt good about drawing a nice buck or bull tag with 7-8 points.
Now....................     :'(

Those were the good old days when there was 10x as many permits given out and about 1/3-1/2 the number of people applying for the permit. If they went back to one category per species and limited you to 2 choices the odds would get better as well.

[trophyhunt]

I have 29 points as of now, no poacher points, bull and quality elk.   Put in every year

[jackelope]

I have 29 points as of now, no poacher points, bull and quality elk.   Put in every year

I guess that would be right, because you have to count 1996 as 1, not 0. So you’ll apply this year with 30 then, right?

(It’s hard to say that out loud and not get frustrated for you)

[Dan-o]

I have 29 points as of now, no poacher points, bull and quality elk.   Put in every year

Yep, that sucks.

I made the decision to go for lesser quality "Quality" tags for deer and elk just so I can hunt once in a great while.

[Ridgerunner]

There were two years when a very small number of people did not have their oil choices in the draw so they were awarded an extra point so in those categories a few people have one or two more points.  That happened around 07/08 if I remember correctly.


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[trophyhunt]

I have 29 points as of now, no poacher points, bull and quality elk.   Put in every year

I guess that would be right, because you have to count 1996 as 1, not 0. So you’ll apply this year with 30 then, right?

(It’s hard to say that out loud and not get frustrated for you)

exactly and yes, it’s frustrating.  But I’m getting used to it now, used to put me in a pretty good depression after the results.  Now, the past 4-5 years, I just expect not to draw.  You’d think the “bull” catagory would be a given

[hughjorgan]

Too many people don’t understand how points work in our system resulting in unrealistic expectations of drawing a tag because they have ’X’ amount of points.

We have the same system as Nevada and at least they explain how it works compared to WDFW.

https://www.ndow.org/blog/bonus-point-program/

Bonus points are squared by species category to determine how many random numbers from 1 to 99 million will be drawn from the random number generator. The lowest of the random numbers for each species category will be assigned as the “draw” number for that species category application. For example, if an applicant has 10 bonus points for antlered elk, you square 10 to get 100 and add 1 (applicant with zero bonus points is assigned 1 random number) for a total of 101 random numbers with the lowest being the draw number assigned to the antlered elk application

Odds aren’t good when the random numbers generated is from a scale of 1 to 99 million.