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Oh so close, but no cigar... or bobby for that matter.
« on: February 05, 2011, 11:36:41 AM »
A few weeks back I posted some pics of two different bobcats within feet of my traps and I thought that was a kick in the gut. But look at the images (from video) from last night.

This time it was within inches of the entrance.



It then grabbed a piece of meat and turned away.



Only to lay down and eat right in front of the camera.




Nothing like a good kick in the nuts.  :yike:




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Re: Oh so close, but no cigar... or bobby for that matter.
« Reply #1 on: February 05, 2011, 11:42:37 AM »
Damn cat makes me want to kick it in the butt so it will jump in  :chuckle:

Cool pics so close

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Re: Oh so close, but no cigar... or bobby for that matter.
« Reply #2 on: February 05, 2011, 11:46:19 AM »
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Re: Oh so close, but no cigar... or bobby for that matter.
« Reply #3 on: February 05, 2011, 03:56:11 PM »
Oh man that is harsh to look at.  Almost be better to not know.  :chuckle:  You must be doing something right to be bringing them in.  They must just not be hungry.

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Re: Oh so close, but no cigar... or bobby for that matter.
« Reply #4 on: February 05, 2011, 04:25:34 PM »
That's just plumb mean, now I know why I don't have cameras! 
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Re: Oh so close, but no cigar... or bobby for that matter.
« Reply #5 on: February 05, 2011, 04:33:20 PM »
sometimes, ya just gotta laugh.

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Re: Oh so close, but no cigar... or bobby for that matter.
« Reply #6 on: February 05, 2011, 07:10:54 PM »
Maybe he is getting acclimated to the trap. Got one snack, he might be back for more. Could be hope for the future.
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Re: Oh so close, but no cigar... or bobby for that matter.
« Reply #7 on: February 05, 2011, 07:30:40 PM »
Is that a racoon in the first picture?  I'm seeing a ringed tail at the entrace to the trap.  Might be a bobby sneaking up behind him.  Dunno.
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Re: Oh so close, but no cigar... or bobby for that matter.
« Reply #8 on: February 06, 2011, 05:14:41 AM »
Is that a racoon in the first picture?  I'm seeing a ringed tail at the entrace to the trap.  Might be a bobby sneaking up behind him.  Dunno.

Nope, no coon. Those three pictures were taken from a 20 second video. The cat walks broadside to the camera, turns to the trap and doubles back to lay down.




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Re: Oh so close, but no cigar... or bobby for that matter.
« Reply #9 on: February 06, 2011, 05:20:42 AM »
Maybe he is getting acclimated to the trap. Got one snack, he might be back for more. Could be hope for the future.

He's had about 5 visits in 30 days so I would hope that he is acclimated.  :chuckle:

Yesterday afternoon I removed that trap an put in one that is about two inches wider. I had an elk esophagus and throat meat in the trap for about two weeks so I took it out and left it out front of the trap and put in fresh/frozen deer scraps.




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Re: Oh so close, but no cigar... or bobby for that matter.
« Reply #10 on: February 06, 2011, 08:54:10 AM »
He was back at 6 am for maybe one minute. I should have set up to call this area before going in.

I got two 20 second videos of him and he was more cautious then I have seen him in the nearly 30 minutes of video I have. Here is a pic of him stretching to reach a piece of the old bait.



He grabbed a piece and took off.




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Re: Oh so close, but no cigar... or bobby for that matter.
« Reply #11 on: February 06, 2011, 08:16:15 PM »
OK, so here is the question. Why are you feeding the cat outside the cage? The cat is interested in the bait because it is hungry so stop feeding it. Make it go in the trap to get its meal.
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Re: Oh so close, but no cigar... or bobby for that matter.
« Reply #12 on: February 06, 2011, 08:20:59 PM »
OK, so here is the question. Why are you feeding the cat outside the cage? The cat is interested in the bait because it is hungry so stop feeding it. Make it go in the trap to get its meal.

I agree.  I watched A dvd the other day that Stacey Yancy did.  And he does not put anything outside of his trap.  Everything goes in the back of it.
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Re: Oh so close, but no cigar... or bobby for that matter.
« Reply #13 on: February 06, 2011, 08:21:27 PM »
What are the dimensions of your trap? Did you boil your boxes in log wood dye for scent control along with handling with rubber gloves?  :dunno: Your trap seems really propped up, maybe bed it down a bit and cover the bottom wire with soil and moss. put some ferns over the top and leave the back open, like a cubby. Good luck, trail cams can make a person go crazy sometimes.  :chuckle:
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Re: Oh so close, but no cigar... or bobby for that matter.
« Reply #14 on: February 06, 2011, 08:23:22 PM »
I read an article on pressure baiting. The guy who wrote the article was using this method for yotes but I don't know why it wouldn't work for cats too. He starts by placing bait (large portions) daily in the same spot then eventually lessening the amount of bait on a regular basis until the bait pile ends up the size of a softball. In theory, they become accustomed to the bait and as the portions become smaller it creates more competition to get to the bait. This is supposed to make more competition between the varmints to get the bait before the next so they make more mistakes.
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Re: Oh so close, but no cigar... or bobby for that matter.
« Reply #15 on: February 06, 2011, 08:25:58 PM »
What are the dimensions of your trap? Did you boil your boxes in log wood dye for scent control along with handling with rubber gloves?  :dunno: Your trap seems really propped up, maybe bed it down a bit and cover the bottom wire with soil and moss. put some ferns over the top and leave the back open, like a cubby. Good luck, trail cams can make a person go crazy sometimes.  :chuckle:

Also in that DVD Yancey said don't worry about scent control for bobcats.
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Re: Oh so close, but no cigar... or bobby for that matter.
« Reply #16 on: February 06, 2011, 08:29:10 PM »
Get some good cat lure like beaver castor or magnum marten works really well if you can find it. In terms of bait there is nothing better than actual beaver, muskrat works okay then ducks, and on down to rabbits. Ducks (birds in general) tend to get a really pungent smell that cats like. The only thing we ever got with a deer hide was a cougar. The only reason my dad used the hide was I grabbed it out of the freezer thinking it was a frozen beaver  :chuckle: Fish and game let that cat go. It had a radio collar on it that was restricking its breathing, actually saved its life. That was back in the early 90's up above Green Water.
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Re: Oh so close, but no cigar... or bobby for that matter.
« Reply #17 on: February 06, 2011, 08:33:53 PM »
What are the dimensions of your trap? Did you boil your boxes in log wood dye for scent control along with handling with rubber gloves?  :dunno: Your trap seems really propped up, maybe bed it down a bit and cover the bottom wire with soil and moss. put some ferns over the top and leave the back open, like a cubby. Good luck, trail cams can make a person go crazy sometimes.  :chuckle:

Also in that DVD Yancey said don't worry about scent control for bobcats.

I guess that aspect of my trap line comes from running steel traps but I tend to and have always tended to catch more cats in a season running only a dozen sets or so than people setting 50. I key on quality sets. Low impact, no, to little scent, natural, and curiosity. Plus you never know when a tom may come by that's been caught in a trap before and remembers the smell of steel.
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Re: Oh so close, but no cigar... or bobby for that matter.
« Reply #18 on: February 07, 2011, 05:35:26 AM »
I will try to answer all here.

First off this spot started out as trail cam only for yotes/coons/bobs with a couple of deer hides for an attractor. After some bob pics the spot dried up and I brought in a bucket of taxidermy scraps and the bones from a deer. The bob came back. I then borrowed a couple of cages and buried the remaining scraps and bones. With nothing in sight, either a cat or dog was hanging up on the periphery one night, but other than that nothing. The cat apparently didn't like the squeaker box and feathers insidethe trap so I place a chunk of beaver and a pheasant neck in the trap. After a few weeks I removed the old bait and placed new bait in the trap. A week later the cat ate the old bait. Now a few weeks later, when changing to the larger trap, I just dumped the old bait out in front and placed fresh in the back of the trap.

I have used a grouse wing in the back of the trap with an old nest and feathers. Also beaver castor (small chunks)

The current trap is the largest of the 3 nested "Yancy" traps. The trap has been completely covered, partially covered and barely covered. The bottom has been covered with dirt and moss or ferns.

I would like to catch him, but on the other hand I have gotten some cool photos and videos.




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Re: Oh so close, but no cigar... or bobby for that matter.
« Reply #19 on: February 08, 2011, 05:01:47 PM »
I would turn the cage,,,,,,,,,,

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Re: Oh so close, but no cigar... or bobby for that matter.
« Reply #20 on: February 08, 2011, 11:15:31 PM »
I would turn the cage,,,,,,,,,,

I would not. Let him get comfortable with it where it is. It was a mistake to change traps IMHO. Everytime you change something it makes him cautious.

OK so I've only caught two this year so my advice is worth about :twocents: :P
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Re: Oh so close, but no cigar... or bobby for that matter.
« Reply #21 on: February 09, 2011, 06:10:21 AM »
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I would not
works for otter.......and it works "other" cat cagers....

I agree that changing cages was a bad move

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Re: Oh so close, but no cigar... or bobby for that matter.
« Reply #22 on: February 09, 2011, 06:32:54 PM »
The trap was turned for more than a month then it was suggested that I turn it. Worth a shot. I also agree that it is not the best to switch traps, but it has been there for a long a$$ time and I was hoping the slightly larger opening would be more inviting.




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Re: Oh so close, but no cigar... or bobby for that matter.
« Reply #23 on: February 10, 2011, 01:01:03 AM »
sucks!!!!!!!!!!  maybe??move to ewa were it is easier?

Buttttttttttt?  if Bruce can do it............    :rolleyes:

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Re: Oh so close, but no cigar... or bobby for that matter.
« Reply #24 on: February 10, 2011, 07:40:07 PM »
sucks!!!!!!!!!!  maybe??move to ewa were it is easier?

Buttttttttttt?  if Bruce can do it............    :rolleyes:

I had three beautiful pictures on my trail cam of a big bobcat standing in front of a trap today.
Looked like I had a bobcat at another trap also but no camera there.
Came home with three civets so I think I should lay off on giving advice.
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Re: Oh so close, but no cigar... or bobby for that matter.
« Reply #25 on: February 11, 2011, 05:23:30 AM »
sucks!!!!!!!!!!  maybe??move to ewa were it is easier?

Buttttttttttt?  if Bruce can do it............    :rolleyes:

I had three beautiful pictures on my trail cam of a big bobcat standing in front of a trap today.
Looked like I had a bobcat at another trap also but no camera there.

Bummer. But seriously, all advice is appreciated as all situations are not the same.




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Re: Oh so close, but no cigar... or bobby for that matter.
« Reply #26 on: February 18, 2011, 08:58:12 PM »
still im in rage!! put a rat in the cage!!or at least a mouse....just my 2cents

 


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