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Re: Wolf Wars have moved to Washington
« Reply #270 on: June 08, 2011, 05:49:45 AM »
I am sure that WFW wouldn't officially condone SSS but they would definitely be against the reintroduction. The same as any passionate hunter is against sitting back and watching the game animals unnecessarily wiped out. When you say Hunt-wa you are meaning the website owners and not the over all membership which without them is nothing. To say I am going to SSS is one thing and doing it is another. If the State were to see how much of a loss in revenue would be caused if the wolf population were to be allowed to be uncontrolled as what happened in MT they might too change their tune.

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Re: Wolf Wars have moved to Washington
« Reply #271 on: June 08, 2011, 06:19:18 AM »
I am sure that WFW wouldn't officially condone SSS but they would definitely be against the reintroduction.

Gee, how many times do I have to say this- there is NOT and won't be a "reintroduction" of wolves in this state. They have come here on their own.

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Re: Wolf Wars have moved to Washington
« Reply #272 on: June 08, 2011, 06:24:39 AM »
Call it what you may but it is still "re-establishment (i.e. re-introduction)of a self-sustaining population of gray wolves".

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Re: Wolf Wars have moved to Washington
« Reply #273 on: June 08, 2011, 07:57:47 AM »
Who is paying for this reintroduction? The State, or federal level? Let me guess each State from the General funds contributed to from hunting and fishings licenses and permits. Then when they kill livestock reimbersement comes from the General fund once again.

The wolves are surely costing our state money, but to call it a "reintroduction" is wrong. The wolves came into the state on their own. The state is not reintroducing wolves, they are simply managing them. Just wanted to clarify that.

Bobcat is correct in that the wolves are reportedly migrating in, no evidence suggests otherwise.

I disagree that Idaho wolves were re-introduced. The canadian wolves from northern canada were more of an "introduction" since they are larger than native wolves. However, scientists have reclassified wolves into fewer subspecies, which makes the introduction a reintroduction. :twocents:

Considering that wolves from Alaska to Colorado are all classified by scientists as one subspecie and those same wolves have been documented to travel as much as 1000 miles in a 6 month period, I again submit that Washington wolves are part of a greater self sustaining and growing population of wolves which inhabits numerous states and provinces in two countries. This is proof that Washington does not need to have a self-sustaining wolf population for the genetic viability of wolves. 15 breeding pairs are not needed in Washington, this is only a number that has been pulled out of thin air and promoted as necessary.
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Re: Wolf Wars have moved to Washington
« Reply #274 on: June 08, 2011, 08:19:56 AM »
Controversial wildlife biologist calls WA wolf plan ‘disgusting’


   A retired wildlife biologist who spent 30 years with the U.S. Fish & Wildlife Service, and whose career was ended when he blew the whistle on misallocation of federal wildlife funds by the Clinton administration, has called Washington State’s draft wolf management plan “disgusting.”

http://www.examiner.com/gun-rights-in-seattle/controversial-wildlife-biologist-calls-wa-wolf-draft-plan-disgusting

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Re: Wolf Wars have moved to Washington
« Reply #275 on: June 08, 2011, 08:30:45 AM »
Jim Beers is an interesting man with great insight into the motivations behind the wolf plans by the USFWS. It's interesting that the former director met frequently and in secret with the Defenders of Wildlife and the she's now the organization's director or chairwoman. He accuses her also of mis-allocating Pittman Robertson funds to fund the wolf project and to pay for budgeting shortfalls, nothing to do with habitat restoration which ensures the future of hunting. We've got some real winners in the USFWS.
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Re: Wolf Wars have moved to Washington
« Reply #276 on: June 08, 2011, 08:39:19 AM »
Scott Rockholm, find him on facebook he has spearheaded the fight in Idaho.

http://www.savewesternwildlife.org/

I could not find him on facebook ?? I wanted to freind him but no dice.

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Re: Wolf Wars have moved to Washington
« Reply #277 on: June 08, 2011, 08:43:27 AM »
Great writeup Dave...  :tup:
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Re: Wolf Wars have moved to Washington
« Reply #278 on: June 08, 2011, 08:45:46 AM »
Scott Rockholm, find him on facebook he has spearheaded the fight in Idaho.

http://www.savewesternwildlife.org/

I could not find him on facebook ?? I wanted to freind him but no dice.

Go to his homepage and click on the Facebook link. You'll have to sign in to see it.
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Re: Wolf Wars have moved to Washington
« Reply #279 on: June 08, 2011, 08:54:22 AM »
Scott Rockholm, find him on facebook he has spearheaded the fight in Idaho.

http://www.savewesternwildlife.org/

I could not find him on facebook ?? I wanted to freind him but no dice.

Go to his homepage and click on the Facebook link. You'll have to sign in to see it.

I got it now, I shared the link on my facebook page. I cant beleive there isnt more people supporting Save western Wildlife.

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Re: Wolf Wars have moved to Washington
« Reply #280 on: June 08, 2011, 08:59:10 AM »
I am sure that WFW wouldn't officially condone SSS but they would definitely be against the reintroduction. The same as any passionate hunter is against sitting back and watching the game animals unnecessarily wiped out. When you say Hunt-wa you are meaning the website owners and not the over all membership which without them is nothing. To say I am going to SSS is one thing and doing it is another. If the State were to see how much of a loss in revenue would be caused if the wolf population were to be allowed to be uncontrolled as what happened in MT they might too change their tune.

They are sitting back right now on the cougar issue.  Cougars are killing 73,000-91,250 ungulates every year in this state and there is very little anger from hunters over reduced seasons and weapon restrictions.  I know the wolf issue is a hot topic and people want to minimize their impact on an already predator rich environment but I find it curious how attitudes seem to differ on the two animals.

I think it is obvious that the WDFW does not care about hunter revenues.  Almost every decision they make is for reduced hunting not more.  They are pushing this new watchable wildlife policy as their new money maker and hunters will just continue to pay more for whatever is left.

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Re: Wolf Wars have moved to Washington
« Reply #281 on: June 08, 2011, 09:05:27 AM »
Watchable Wildlife Policy ??? First time I have heard of that.

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Re: Wolf Wars have moved to Washington
« Reply #282 on: June 08, 2011, 09:11:11 AM »
Hunters watch wildlife all the time, through peep sights, iron sights, scopes, trail cams, binos and in a varity of places blinds, stands, on the ground and all over really. :chuckle:

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Re: Wolf Wars have moved to Washington
« Reply #283 on: June 08, 2011, 09:11:50 AM »
Gee, how many times do I have to say this- there won't be a "reintroduction" of wolves in this state.

 Unless Christine Gregoire is your mother Bobcat, you can not say that for certain, I seriously doubt you could even say it then. ;)

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Re: Wolf Wars have moved to Washington
« Reply #284 on: June 08, 2011, 09:31:33 AM »
Watchable Wildlife Policy ??? First time I have heard of that.

Maybe "policy" was the wrong word but they are definitely moving that direction.
http://wdfw.wa.gov/viewing/
https://fishhunt.dfw.wa.gov/wdfw/ww_decal.html
http://wdfw.wa.gov/publications/01145/wdfw_01145.pdf
http://wdfw.wa.gov/living/backyard/

Just look at the links on these pages.  A lot of groups that are not so hunter friendly.
« Last Edit: June 08, 2011, 09:40:43 AM by Kain »

 


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