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Re: Wolf Wars have moved to Washington
« Reply #405 on: June 08, 2011, 06:22:26 PM »
So robertg, just a ignorant question, but why do you think the wolves were "exterminated" in the state of washington in the first place.
Pelts,bounty's,fear,ignorance?
not only in this state but adjoining states , and even the southwest?
I do not know your beliefs, but it has been assumed on this thread and elsewhere that most pro-wolf folks want to take hunting of wildlife out of existence, so I do not understand the end result, rather than hunting by humans,it is more Natures way to have animals kill lessor species until the dominant species is what is left. with no regard to seasons,limits or abundance, that natures way of controlling wildlife is the best? so an overabundance of smaller predators also will be addressed by a more aggressive specie, to what end when the most aggressive species is the only one left.
The reason that the wolves are such a big topic, is that very few folks alive today ever had to deal with them, our ancestors did and for some strange reason not only they but our government also determined that they were a problem to be rid of,and so they were eradicated, the same could be argued for Polio.

well said! Wolves are like Polio...... something we shouldn't have to worry about in this day and age. But for some reason these greeines want to bring back a problem we already solved once....
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Re: Wolf Wars have moved to Washington
« Reply #406 on: June 08, 2011, 06:34:28 PM »
SO,.. ROBERT:  WHAT DO YOU THINK WOULD BE THE RIGHT WAY TO HANDLE THE WHOLE WOLF/PREDITOR PROBLEM HERE IN WASHINGTON?  HOW DO YOU THINK WASHINGTON WILL BENEFIT FROM WOLVES? (WITH THE CURRENT WOLF PLAN)  WILL WASHINGTON BENEFIT FROM THIS ECONOMICALLY? HOW DO YOU THINK THIS SHOULD ALL BE PAID FOR? KEEP IN MIND THAT MOST HUNTER DON'T WANT THIS.

Wolves, bears, and bison are the biggest attractions at ynp and many people go to yellowstone specifically to see these animals. When there are 15 breeding pairs which is what the science says will be a sustainable wolf population, hunting will be allowed for wolves. Yeah, I know hunters don't want this, but there are others in wa who do.

 :dunno:  YOU DIDN'T ANSWER THE QUESTION....  :dunno:

I'm sure there are  people in WA who don't necessarily hunt who would enjoy seeing wolves in the wild. I know most hunters don't want wolves in WA.

WELL SAID  :chuckle:  :chuckle:   IN OTHER WORDS,.. WOLVES WILL NOT BENEFIT THE STATE AT ALL.

Wolves will bring benefits. The people who want to see them in the wild can. Just because wolves may not bring benefits to hunters, doesn't mean they won't bring benefits to people who love seeing wildlife.

Great.... so we need to protect wolves so that you or some other bunny hugger can go see a wild wolf once or twice a year? What about the other 360 odd days? when some rancher has to deal with these vermin killing his livestock? or the rural resident who no longer feels safe taking a walk in the back 40? Or the avid hunter who no longer has a reason to trek half way across the state to persue his passion because the game species have been depleted? You imply we are narrow minded and self centered? Try looking in the mirror....
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Re: Wolf Wars have moved to Washington
« Reply #407 on: June 08, 2011, 06:39:21 PM »
So robertg, just a ignorant question, but why do you think the wolves were "exterminated" in the state of washington in the first place.
Pelts,bounty's,fear,ignorance?
not only in this state but adjoining states , and even the southwest?
I do not know your beliefs, but it has been assumed on this thread and elsewhere that most pro-wolf folks want to take hunting of wildlife out of existence, so I do not understand the end result, rather than hunting by humans,it is more Natures way to have animals kill lessor species until the dominant species is what is left. with no regard to seasons,limits or abundance, that natures way of controlling wildlife is the best? so an overabundance of smaller predators also will be addressed by a more aggressive specie, to what end when the most aggressive species is the only one left.
The reason that the wolves are such a big topic, is that very few folks alive today ever had to deal with them, our ancestors did and for some strange reason not only they but our government also determined that they were a problem to be rid of,and so they were eradicated, the same could be argued for Polio.

well said! Wolves are like Polio...... something we shouldn't have to worry about in this day and age. But for some reason these greeines want to bring back a problem we already solved once....

Are you saying that wolves don't have a right to exist? They are native wildlife. Homosapiens have no right to wipe out any wildlife species. Grizzlies, elk, bison, etc were also wiped out in some places. Wolves were brought back because people wanted to turn a wrong into a right. We should have no right to exterminate a species. Wolves are native wildlife as I said.  What is with the name calling grundy? You don't see me calling you any names.

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Re: Wolf Wars have moved to Washington
« Reply #408 on: June 08, 2011, 06:40:04 PM »
Then let's bring back the bison!   

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Re: Wolf Wars have moved to Washington
« Reply #409 on: June 08, 2011, 06:50:43 PM »
So robertg, just a ignorant question, but why do you think the wolves were "exterminated" in the state of washington in the first place.
Pelts,bounty's,fear,ignorance?
not only in this state but adjoining states , and even the southwest?
I do not know your beliefs, but it has been assumed on this thread and elsewhere that most pro-wolf folks want to take hunting of wildlife out of existence, so I do not understand the end result, rather than hunting by humans,it is more Natures way to have animals kill lessor species until the dominant species is what is left. with no regard to seasons,limits or abundance, that natures way of controlling wildlife is the best? so an overabundance of smaller predators also will be addressed by a more aggressive specie, to what end when the most aggressive species is the only one left.
The reason that the wolves are such a big topic, is that very few folks alive today ever had to deal with them, our ancestors did and for some strange reason not only they but our government also determined that they were a problem to be rid of,and so they were eradicated, the same could be argued for Polio.

well said! Wolves are like Polio...... something we shouldn't have to worry about in this day and age. But for some reason these greeines want to bring back a problem we already solved once....

Are you saying that wolves don't have a right to exist? They are native wildlife. Homosapiens have no right to wipe out any wildlife species. Grizzlies, elk, bison, etc were also wiped out in some places. Wolves were brought back because people wanted to turn a wrong into a right. We should have no right to exterminate a species. Wolves are native wildlife as I said.  What is with the name calling grundy? You don't see me calling you any names.

Well going by what you just said we should also bring back Polio and Small Pox. They are both living organisms just like wolves. Why do you get to cherry pick what lives and what dies? what makes you better then us?
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Re: Wolf Wars have moved to Washington
« Reply #410 on: June 08, 2011, 06:53:37 PM »
SO,.. ROBERT:  WHAT DO YOU THINK WOULD BE THE RIGHT WAY TO HANDLE THE WHOLE WOLF/PREDITOR PROBLEM HERE IN WASHINGTON?  HOW DO YOU THINK WASHINGTON WILL BENEFIT FROM WOLVES? (WITH THE CURRENT WOLF PLAN)  WILL WASHINGTON BENEFIT FROM THIS ECONOMICALLY? HOW DO YOU THINK THIS SHOULD ALL BE PAID FOR? KEEP IN MIND THAT MOST HUNTER DON'T WANT THIS.

Wolves, bears, and bison are the biggest attractions at ynp and many people go to yellowstone specifically to see these animals. When there are 15 breeding pairs which is what the science says will be a sustainable wolf population, hunting will be allowed for wolves. Yeah, I know hunters don't want this, but there are others in wa who do.

 :dunno:  YOU DIDN'T ANSWER THE QUESTION....  :dunno:

I'm sure there are  people in WA who don't necessarily hunt who would enjoy seeing wolves in the wild. I know most hunters don't want wolves in WA.

WELL SAID  :chuckle:  :chuckle:   IN OTHER WORDS,.. WOLVES WILL NOT BENEFIT THE STATE AT ALL.

Wolves will bring benefits. The people who want to see them in the wild can. Just because wolves may not bring benefits to hunters, doesn't mean they won't bring benefits to people who love seeing wildlife.

Great.... so we need to protect wolves so that you or some other bunny hugger can go see a wild wolf once or twice a year? What about the other 360 odd days? when some rancher has to deal with these vermin killing his livestock? or the rural resident who no longer feels safe taking a walk in the back 40? Or the avid hunter who no longer has a reason to trek half way across the state to persue his passion because the game species have been depleted? You imply we are narrow minded and self centered? Try looking in the mirror....

Why don't you respond to this post robertg? Just like you cherry pick your species you also cherry pick your posts that you respond to? Whats the matter? you don't like tough questions?
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Re: Wolf Wars have moved to Washington
« Reply #411 on: June 08, 2011, 06:54:25 PM »
Then let's bring back the bison!

 :yeah: and then the Yellowstone Elk herd.....
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Re: Wolf Wars have moved to Washington
« Reply #412 on: June 08, 2011, 06:57:45 PM »
he will not answer to any questions with facts I tryed for two hours earlyer today and got nothing. 

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Re: Wolf Wars have moved to Washington
« Reply #413 on: June 08, 2011, 06:59:31 PM »
So robertg, just a ignorant question, but why do you think the wolves were "exterminated" in the state of washington in the first place.
Pelts,bounty's,fear,ignorance?
not only in this state but adjoining states , and even the southwest?
I do not know your beliefs, but it has been assumed on this thread and elsewhere that most pro-wolf folks want to take hunting of wildlife out of existence, so I do not understand the end result, rather than hunting by humans,it is more Natures way to have animals kill lessor species until the dominant species is what is left. with no regard to seasons,limits or abundance, that natures way of controlling wildlife is the best? so an overabundance of smaller predators also will be addressed by a more aggressive specie, to what end when the most aggressive species is the only one left.
The reason that the wolves are such a big topic, is that very few folks alive today ever had to deal with them, our ancestors did and for some strange reason not only they but our government also determined that they were a problem to be rid of,and so they were eradicated, the same could be argued for Polio.

well said! Wolves are like Polio...... something we shouldn't have to worry about in this day and age. But for some reason these greeines want to bring back a problem we already solved once....

Are you saying that wolves don't have a right to exist? They are native wildlife. Homosapiens have no right to wipe out any wildlife species. Grizzlies, elk, bison, etc were also wiped out in some places. Wolves were brought back because people wanted to turn a wrong into a right. We should have no right to exterminate a species. Wolves are native wildlife as I said.  What is with the name calling grundy? You don't see me calling you any names.

Well going by what you just said we should also bring back Polio and Small Pox. They are both living organisms just like wolves. Why do you get to cherry pick what lives and what dies? what makes you better then us?

Polio is a disease. Wolves are native wildlife. I think it's ridiculous to compare a deadly disease to native wildlife.

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Re: Wolf Wars have moved to Washington
« Reply #414 on: June 08, 2011, 07:01:28 PM »
Then let's bring back the bison!

 :yeah: and then the Yellowstone Elk herd.....

The yellowstone herd is still there, just down in #s. Elk were overpopulated in yellowstone and they needed to be thinned down.

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Re: Wolf Wars have moved to Washington
« Reply #415 on: June 08, 2011, 07:11:06 PM »
So robertg, just a ignorant question, but why do you think the wolves were "exterminated" in the state of washington in the first place.
Pelts,bounty's,fear,ignorance?
not only in this state but adjoining states , and even the southwest?
I do not know your beliefs, but it has been assumed on this thread and elsewhere that most pro-wolf folks want to take hunting of wildlife out of existence, so I do not understand the end result, rather than hunting by humans,it is more Natures way to have animals kill lessor species until the dominant species is what is left. with no regard to seasons,limits or abundance, that natures way of controlling wildlife is the best? so an overabundance of smaller predators also will be addressed by a more aggressive specie, to what end when the most aggressive species is the only one left.
The reason that the wolves are such a big topic, is that very few folks alive today ever had to deal with them, our ancestors did and for some strange reason not only they but our government also determined that they were a problem to be rid of,and so they were eradicated, the same could be argued for Polio.

well said! Wolves are like Polio...... something we shouldn't have to worry about in this day and age. But for some reason these greenies want to bring back a problem we already solved once....

Are you saying that wolves don't have a right to exist? They are native wildlife. Homosapiens have no right to wipe out any wildlife species. Grizzlies, elk, bison, etc were also wiped out in some places. Wolves were brought back because people wanted to turn a wrong into a right. We should have no right to exterminate a species. Wolves are native wildlife as I said.  What is with the name calling grundy? You don't see me calling you any names.

Well going by what you just said we should also bring back Polio and Small Pox. They are both living organisms just like wolves. Why do you get to cherry pick what lives and what dies? what makes you better then us?

Polio is a disease. Wolves are native wildlife. I think it's ridiculous to compare a deadly disease to native wildlife.

How is it ridiculous? They are both living organisms and they both wipe out large populations wherever they are found in abundance. What makes your life more valuable then an elks? The way you talk is that wild animals have more rights then us, so why does an elk have less rights then a wolf? whats your hierarchy?
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Re: Wolf Wars have moved to Washington
« Reply #416 on: June 08, 2011, 07:15:35 PM »
So robertg, just a ignorant question, but why do you think the wolves were "exterminated" in the state of washington in the first place.
Pelts,bounty's,fear,ignorance?
not only in this state but adjoining states , and even the southwest?
I do not know your beliefs, but it has been assumed on this thread and elsewhere that most pro-wolf folks want to take hunting of wildlife out of existence, so I do not understand the end result, rather than hunting by humans,it is more Natures way to have animals kill lessor species until the dominant species is what is left. with no regard to seasons,limits or abundance, that natures way of controlling wildlife is the best? so an overabundance of smaller predators also will be addressed by a more aggressive specie, to what end when the most aggressive species is the only one left.
The reason that the wolves are such a big topic, is that very few folks alive today ever had to deal with them, our ancestors did and for some strange reason not only they but our government also determined that they were a problem to be rid of,and so they were eradicated, the same could be argued for Polio.

well said! Wolves are like Polio...... something we shouldn't have to worry about in this day and age. But for some reason these greeines want to bring back a problem we already solved once....

Are you saying that wolves don't have a right to exist? They are native wildlife. Homosapiens have no right to wipe out any wildlife species. Grizzlies, elk, bison, etc were also wiped out in some places. Wolves were brought back because people wanted to turn a wrong into a right. We should have no right to exterminate a species. Wolves are native wildlife as I said.  What is with the name calling grundy? You don't see me calling you any names.
You say "homosapiens" like we are just another animal. Says volumes about you. If, though, we are just another animal why not wipe them out forever. If a wolf can they will wipe out every single coyote they could in order to eliminate competition over a food source. We are competing over deer, elk, moose, etc. so lets eliminate them, if we are just another animal. Survival of the fittest, right? Natural selection, right?
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Re: Wolf Wars have moved to Washington
« Reply #417 on: June 08, 2011, 07:20:33 PM »
So robertg, just a ignorant question, but why do you think the wolves were "exterminated" in the state of washington in the first place.
Pelts,bounty's,fear,ignorance?
not only in this state but adjoining states , and even the southwest?
I do not know your beliefs, but it has been assumed on this thread and elsewhere that most pro-wolf folks want to take hunting of wildlife out of existence, so I do not understand the end result, rather than hunting by humans,it is more Natures way to have animals kill lessor species until the dominant species is what is left. with no regard to seasons,limits or abundance, that natures way of controlling wildlife is the best? so an overabundance of smaller predators also will be addressed by a more aggressive specie, to what end when the most aggressive species is the only one left.
The reason that the wolves are such a big topic, is that very few folks alive today ever had to deal with them, our ancestors did and for some strange reason not only they but our government also determined that they were a problem to be rid of,and so they were eradicated, the same could be argued for Polio.

well said! Wolves are like Polio...... something we shouldn't have to worry about in this day and age. But for some reason these greenies want to bring back a problem we already solved once....

Are you saying that wolves don't have a right to exist? They are native wildlife. Homosapiens have no right to wipe out any wildlife species. Grizzlies, elk, bison, etc were also wiped out in some places. Wolves were brought back because people wanted to turn a wrong into a right. We should have no right to exterminate a species. Wolves are native wildlife as I said.  What is with the name calling grundy? You don't see me calling you any names.

Well going by what you just said we should also bring back Polio and Small Pox. They are both living organisms just like wolves. Why do you get to cherry pick what lives and what dies? what makes you better then us?

Polio is a disease. Wolves are native wildlife. I think it's ridiculous to compare a deadly disease to native wildlife.

How is it ridiculous? They are both living organisms and they both wipe out large populations wherever they are found in abundance. What makes your life more valuable then an elks? The way you talk is that wild animals have more rights then us, so why does an elk have less rights then a wolf? whats your hierarchy?

When did I say my life was more important than an elk? When did I say elk have less rights than wolves? Where exactly are you getting this nonsense from? You cannot compare a deadly disease like polio to native wildlife.

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Re: Wolf Wars have moved to Washington
« Reply #418 on: June 08, 2011, 07:22:27 PM »
So robertg, just a ignorant question, but why do you think the wolves were "exterminated" in the state of washington in the first place.
Pelts,bounty's,fear,ignorance?
not only in this state but adjoining states , and even the southwest?
I do not know your beliefs, but it has been assumed on this thread and elsewhere that most pro-wolf folks want to take hunting of wildlife out of existence, so I do not understand the end result, rather than hunting by humans,it is more Natures way to have animals kill lessor species until the dominant species is what is left. with no regard to seasons,limits or abundance, that natures way of controlling wildlife is the best? so an overabundance of smaller predators also will be addressed by a more aggressive specie, to what end when the most aggressive species is the only one left.
The reason that the wolves are such a big topic, is that very few folks alive today ever had to deal with them, our ancestors did and for some strange reason not only they but our government also determined that they were a problem to be rid of,and so they were eradicated, the same could be argued for Polio.

well said! Wolves are like Polio...... something we shouldn't have to worry about in this day and age. But for some reason these greeines want to bring back a problem we already solved once....

Are you saying that wolves don't have a right to exist? They are native wildlife. Homosapiens have no right to wipe out any wildlife species. Grizzlies, elk, bison, etc were also wiped out in some places. Wolves were brought back because people wanted to turn a wrong into a right. We should have no right to exterminate a species. Wolves are native wildlife as I said.  What is with the name calling grundy? You don't see me calling you any names.

No, that is not what they are saying. Grizzlies, elk, bison are all also not extinct. Never have been Wolves are not threatened or extinct. Politics state that they are, but they are not, and they never have been. Politically motivated science says wolf numbers are low it is also the same assumption that is painting the poaching of alllll the wolves in Washington. That is also a lie. There are two confermed cases I know of. That is hardly an epidemic but is sure seems to sell PI papers. And no, that is not condoning illegal activity. I would no more endorse that than I would the illegal release of wolves. I would condemn both. (Just for the record.)

Like I have said before. There is not a better advocate for the Wilds that the American Hunter. I was reading the theme statements for "Howl Colorado." They are very honest when they claim that the only animal in their opinion that is over populated is the Human Hunter and it is that species they want to see sharply reduced. That is not a byproduct of this movement is it at the heart of it. We all know that don't we. Can't we just be forthright?
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« Reply #419 on: June 08, 2011, 07:24:11 PM »
Just in- WDFW will start issuing a tube of Vaseline or similar product with all hunting licenses. The plan is to start having the products issued no later than 2015, but will start issuing as soon as funds are available. Also upon being issued the product you must carry it with you at all times while conducting hunting activates. If tube is depleted from use while in countering activist or game wardens, the hunter is responsible so replacing at his or her cost.If the hunter has no tube or their tube is depleted he or she is subject to fines. At this time a list of accepted similar products has not been made available.

 


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