Big Game Hunting > Bow Hunting
The new Muzzy broadhead trocar.
BOWHUNTER45:
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The link doesn't work for me. At least the video doesn't.
As for Muzzy, good broadhead, especially for the time years ago but most broadhead manufacturers have since thickened their blades but Muzzy hasn't.
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How thick is thick enough? Thicker the blade the steeper the hone and the harder it is to get them to cut well. Deeper the vents the more oxygen vacuumed into the wound and the faster coagulation sets in. The thicker the blades the more displacement of air and drag you have in flight. Thick blades are great when you are shooting steel drums and sinter blocks. But how thick is thick enough when it comes to shooting animals.
I've killed literally hundreds with the old Savora .015" blade out of the Swept-Wing broadhead. Never one single failure. Was I just lucky? Or was it thick enough? I've had failures with .027" Thunderheads. Was that not thick enough? I've taken a couple dozen animals with the old .015" WASP Cam-Lok without a single failure. Luck? Or was it thick enough. Shot one animal with the Magnus Stinger and had a failure. Was that not thick enough?
I think blade thickness is a great topic for selling broadheads and shooting steel barrels. In killing anything moose and smaller I just don't see it being an issue. And there is some solid science that leads one to believe that thick enough to hold together and thin enough to optimize flight and terminal performance is better than the thickness required to kill a steel drum and cement blocks.
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I love how you explain things :dunno: :chuckle: Thickness does not mean anything ...Depends on what type of steel they are using ...A thinner steel will flex alot better than a thicker one which will allow the blades to flex as it passes threw the animal and comes in contact with bones or what have you !Muzzy seems to be following Wasp and many think this is o.k I do not ...Wasp has been around along time and finally fine tuned their broadheads to be one of the deadliest broadheads on the market ... Wasp started out with a longer type broadhead ( Caml-lok ) and over the years have shortened their type broadheads coming up with the Wasp Bullet and Wasp Boss ....Muzzy again has figured out that a longer and wider cutting diameter is not neccesarily the answer and again has started designing a shorter profile broadhead like the MAX4 100 GR...again almost a copy cat of the Wasp boss ... :dunno: :twocents:
JamesK.:
I shot muzzys for 2 years and didn't have any real complaints. I bought a new bow recently and could not get them to shoot straight at a faster fps. Switched to G5 Strikers and they shoot great so far.
kingfisher82:
So much negitivity, I know the markets were very competitive in the 70's and still are today. But it's everyone personal prefence what they like and what they do not. It's like I'm a pse guy but I don't bash other conpanys on there products. It would be like saying a Mathews bow makes a hell of a good walffle, but I shot them there good bows but the grip didn't fit me. Right and the draw wasn't that smooth. But they do the job. But this thread I created wasn't for bashing muzzy it was just putting out there that there kinda getting with the times and putting a new head on the market and changeing there packing for their products
RadSav:
--- Quote from: BOWHUNTER45 on March 07, 2013, 09:17:06 AM ---Muzzy seems to be following Wasp and many think this is o.k I do not ...Wasp has been around along time and finally fine tuned their broadheads to be one of the deadliest broadheads on the market ... Wasp started out with a longer type broadhead ( Caml-lok ) and over the years have shortened their type broadheads coming up with the Wasp Bullet and Wasp Boss ....Muzzy again has figured out that a longer and wider cutting diameter is not neccesarily the answer and again has started designing a shorter profile broadhead like the MAX4 100 GR...again almost a copy cat of the Wasp boss ... :dunno: :twocents:
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Are you drinking again? :chuckle: It almost sounded like you were saying Muzzy is copying WASP. That's some thin ice your walking on. Be careful!
And before people start getting too excited about the "NEW" Muzzy Trocar remember they are now a RAGE product. RAGE bought Barrie Archery/Rocky Mountain Broadheads. The original RAGE patent was actually a Rocky Mountain patent used on the RMB Snyper. The new Muzzy Trocar was originally a Rocky Mountain product as well. If memory serves me correct RMB launched it in 2004 or 2005 under the name "Turbo".
And, if I am not mistaken the RMB "Ironhead 100" which was a short blade/profile broadhead with a longer leading point preceded the WASP Boss. So one could, if they are playing the who copied who game, say that WASP copied the Muzzy "Trocar" Point and the Rocky Mountain blade profile. All of which are now under the RAGE umbrella.
And they all copied Savora's one piece ferrule design. The use of a razor blade specifically designed for hunting and archery arrowheads was a Savora first as well. So who copied who? :dunno: And of course we could dive even deeper into broadhead history and start talking about the "Missle Spike" if we wanted to figure out who started the short steep blade profile and long leading point.
But, perhaps it's all just a simple fact of broadhead evolution.
duckmen1:
My problem with muzzy broad heads is when I spin tested and got them spinning and flying good each arrow would fly great but hit slightly different spot than another arrow. Not the case with shuttle ts and slick tricks.