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ICEMAN:

--- Quote from: Passion on October 08, 2007, 07:15:07 PM ---Bofire...............SHUT THE *censored* UP. :chuckle:

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Agree.

Ray:

--- Quote from: boneaddict on October 08, 2007, 08:00:28 PM ---My blood pressure can't stand this.....
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:chuckle:


--- Quote ---Are you a dope dealer because some American sold dope?
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To me that is a poor example of the issue at hand. But if we want to talk about it in such simple terms the answer to your question is no. Americans tend to actually try to regulate themselves with laws, ethics and penalties. Usually the only ones that get by are overly rich or politicians. Some indians (not all) often stand behind outdated treaties and speak words with meanings that they have long forgotten in order to make smoke screens for the public eye. They have talked about how acts like these are traditions of their people's past and cleverly inject statements about having empty freezers as if they are a starving community who had no choice because of the bad white man who came and made them this way. It truly is a joke when they use the tradition argument in order to get special hunting priveleges for animals that some of their tribes never traditionally hunted to begin with. For this incident these guys are even casually ingoring their own laws and any binding treaties which their own people have agreed to. The treaties have often been used as a tool. Throwing it in our faces as a callous reminder about times long past and experiences which the current generations have never lived through. Simply put... it is a guilt trip. You are either guilty of being white or guilty of being non-indian and living on the soil here. Now let's keep in mind that many indians didn't believe in physical ownership of land and animals. This guilt trip strategy works time and time again for them so they keep doing it..  As far as killing the whale... I think that there was someone who talked about the last time they shot a whale mentioning that a large portion of the carcass was left to rot in waste. I'd hardly call that the same indian portrayed on television and in people's minds who are all about respecting mother earth and all of her creatures.

To me the incident was purely a stunt. A few Indians had this .50 cal and a lot of time on their hands to calculate and plan this event. They ignored their own laws simply because they would not be upheld... and they know it. Justice in their society for this act is merely a slap on the hand. Ask yourself: Is a slap on the wrist a just penalty for knowingly killing an endangered whale in a premeditated manner? When people come to age as an adult... most societies don't plan on handing out romper-room like penalties for felonies. The outrage is centered in this area for me and everything here is why I think that your example is a gross oversimplification missing the key points.. I am glad that there was some action in our courts by filing an indictment the other day against the people who felt compelled to follow through on this foolhardy and irresponsible stunt. When I read the article on monday about how other members of the tribe being interviewed by the press felt about it... I definitely had a better picture about how their society views this and that they don't seem to have any intention of doing anything about it within their own ranks period. They even used some casual language which mocked the court systems as if they were under complete immunity from any regulation and penalty of law regarding this incident. They might as well be flipping us off.  If you have some perception which is quite different please enlighten me as to the facts and point of view. Otherwise I tend to view this and the tribe as grossly irresponsible and incapable or otherwise unwilling to regulate their own when it comes to these sort of acts.

In light of this and overall it is hard for me to even give them an iota of credibility and recognition if they are unwilling to regulate their own. That goes that way for any group, race or organization in my world. So if the question was about them: yes, they are dope dealers or just as bad; harboring, condoning dope dealers.

Bofire:
 :) Not a chance of shutting me up, since I live in Yelm, and my address is in my profile, feel free to tell me where to meet and you can tell me in person.
Carl

ICEMAN:
Touche'

So the tribe did nothing.....?

That is the whole point here. They do nothing. They do nothing about the criminals in their midst... Did they step up and arrest their fellow tribal members?

Bofire:
I have no beef with you, Iceman, or Passion. I understand your anger and trust me I have said the same things, in anger, before. Remember the Oak Creek elk kills, the Packwood Kills, the netting in the rivers. It aint right or fair.
Our courts gave it to them, Americas courts.

That however has nothing to do with what Passion, and you seconded, said to me. I am an American, 56 years, most of it in Washington state, I have earned my right to free speech and am willing to fight for it. The media uses the "broad brush" approach, there are bad apples in every barrel, get rid of them. These Makah criminals, I hope, are punished severely. The same hope I have for criminals everywhere.
Carl

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