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Why are success rates so low for muzzleloader elk??
colockumelk:
--- Quote from: fishunt247 on February 02, 2009, 06:54:24 PM ---Everything nearly has to be perfect, not quite as perfect as with a bow, but nearer to perfect. Around 100 yards is max, no running shots, no second shot, etc. If you were out listening to all the shots during muzzleloader season, then look at the harvest reports, you know there is a lot of missing going on.
--- Quote from: fishunt247 on February 06, 2009, 07:45:07 PM ---Clockum, thats a bold statement to be makin to say that most guys can't shoot for crap...especially to my post, seemingly meaning that I can't shoot for crap. My success rate with a muzzleloader proves otherwise. I passed a shot on a buck at a ranged 147 yards this year. He was quartering away and I had a rest. At that distance my front site covers the entire front half of the deer. That isn't precise enough for me. I shoot a lot, and will take a shot to 125 yards. But for the discussion, what sight are you shooting? And what groups are you regularly getting at 200 yards? I live in Ellensburg and would love to see the master at his craft.
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fishunt calm down I never said you couldn't shoot for crap. I have never seen you shoot so I would never say that about you. In your original statement you said that 100yds was the max range for a ML. For many people this may be true. For me it is not. I was simply stating as such. In your first post you said that there was alot of missing going on so you are also saying people can't shoot for crap. I'm not saying everybody that ML hunts can't shoot for crap but many can't. This is because many people are lazy and only practise once or twice before the season and call it good. Then they shoot past 100yds and thus miss. Thus they can't shoot for crap. I'm not saying this about everyone. But if the shoe fits.......
To answer your questions about my set up. I shoot a T/C Black Diamond XTR in .50 cal. I use a peep sight and shoot 100grns of Pyrodex pellets and shoot a 250 grain sabot with a polymer tip. I agree past 100yds regular regular sights block out the entire deer. I hunt open country for deer and wanted more range and accuracy for my ML. Thus I switched to the peep sight. The last time I shot at 100yds I had two bullets touching each other and the third was maybe half an inch below those two. The next three times that I target practised I shot at a 8 inch diameter steel target at 150 yds and hit it every time. At 200yds I hit that 8 inch target 2 out of 3 times. I was also in the Marine Corps for 4 plus years and regularly shot out to 500meters with peep sights. I'm not a sniper by any means but I can shoot.
Moose Eyes:
colockumelk
What peep sight did you put on your Black Diamond? My dad uses the same gun and I am interested in setting him with something other than the sight that came with the gun.
Thanks!
colockumelk:
Yeah the sights that come with the Black Diamond are horrible for accurate groups. The sights are too fat. I went to this website and bought this peep sight. It costs $36.95 http://www.williamsgunsight.com/gunsights/wgrs.htm
Code No. 66708
Model No. WGRS-Black Diamond
OneHorn:
--- Quote from: colockumelk on February 07, 2009, 10:45:31 AM ---
--- Quote from: fishunt247 on February 02, 2009, 06:54:24 PM ---Everything nearly has to be perfect, not quite as perfect as with a bow, but nearer to perfect. Around 100 yards is max, no running shots, no second shot, etc. If you were out listening to all the shots during muzzleloader season, then look at the harvest reports, you know there is a lot of missing going on.
--- Quote from: fishunt247 on February 06, 2009, 07:45:07 PM ---Clockum, thats a bold statement to be makin to say that most guys can't shoot for crap...especially to my post, seemingly meaning that I can't shoot for crap. My success rate with a muzzleloader proves otherwise. I passed a shot on a buck at a ranged 147 yards this year. He was quartering away and I had a rest. At that distance my front site covers the entire front half of the deer. That isn't precise enough for me. I shoot a lot, and will take a shot to 125 yards. But for the discussion, what sight are you shooting? And what groups are you regularly getting at 200 yards? I live in Ellensburg and would love to see the master at his craft.
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fishunt calm down I never said you couldn't shoot for crap. I have never seen you shoot so I would never say that about you. In your original statement you said that 100yds was the max range for a ML. For many people this may be true. For me it is not. I was simply stating as such. In your first post you said that there was alot of missing going on so you are also saying people can't shoot for crap. I'm not saying everybody that ML hunts can't shoot for crap but many can't. This is because many people are lazy and only practise once or twice before the season and call it good. Then they shoot past 100yds and thus miss. Thus they can't shoot for crap. I'm not saying this about everyone. But if the shoe fits.......
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I got the same thing outa what you said as fishunt247. You make it sound like no one can shoot but you. I think what fishunt247 was saying is that people take alot of long shots that they shouldnt and miss the elk in general.He wasnt saying that nobody can shoot.
rasbo:
I dont know If you guys have tried this I use the top of my front sight as my aiming point,then it dont cover the whole animal.I love the t/c sights true glow.
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