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boneaddict:
Didn't read the article. But to the title of the thread they have been lying and underestimating since day one, why should it be any different now?   This has been one giant scam since the beginning. 

hunter399:
Never had a wolf on camera that has a collar.
So ya , plenty that the state doesn't know about.

BUTTER:
Wdfw can't do anything about the wolves. They can't even get a spring bear season. Buckle up wolves will eat all the elk and it won't be stopped

avidnwoutdoorsman:

--- Quote from: TylerMulie on January 03, 2025, 08:46:40 AM ---Id think so, I had a 85yd encounter with a pack of 13 wolves this deer season, really cool experience. no collars on any of the wolves.

--- End quote ---

If you find wolves without a Collar you need to report it... getting Collars on wolves is actually a really good thing. I was a skeptic myself. I had wolves finally show up on my property in late '23. Last spring I got a cam picture of a wolf with meat in its mouth indicating likely a den site near by. Was confirmed and a collar was on at least one of the wolves a couple months later. The collars helps because it shows distribution. It also helps prove depredation. How many "unconfirmed" depredations have you heard about. Pretty easy to confirm a depredation when the collar shows the wolf over the carcass. I know there maybe some skepticism about this but its better to get collars on them. There is now another pack/breeding pair on the books which aids recovery goals to delist, shows more distribution, and tracks them for depredation.

chukardogs:
 After having an interaction with several wolves a few years ago while hunting, I was told by a FS official that the tribe, who was monitoring the Strawberry pack had told him that the alpha male of the Strawberry pack had disbanded the pack and then moved North to an area around Frosty Creek. The FS official was told this wasn't an abnormal situation with wolf packs.
 I'm no wolf expert or animal biologist and had never gave any thought to the health or hierarchy of a wolf pack but, just as an older male, I can totally understand the emotional state that would drive me to say, done, I want you all gone. Wish I'd actually known that was a...........nevermind.
 If this is something that happens with wolves, it doesn't take a brain surgeon with a PHD in math, to see what could happen to wolf population numbers in a hurry. Over the years, I've read with wolves, when a male gets to adulthood, he has to make a decision. Either he's willing to take a back seat to the alpha or he's not. If he thinks he's a tough guy, he takes on the alpha and then afterwards, either he or the alpha has to take their satchel and hit the road. I've read that the same basic thing happens with the females and I'll leave it at that.
 If you look at the most recent wolf pack data on the WDFW, the Strawberry pack is still intact and based on the country they're holding, another alpha male must have taken over and thrived.
 If the Wolf population can be that volatile and constantly fluctuating, how is it anyone believes the WDFW or the tribe can actually have an accurate population number? It makes no sense to believe that the number of wolves they have on their charts is up to date or accurate. The best anyone can hope for is the numbers are their best guess, based on the data they have. Or, if you believe they're just out right lying for their own biases, then the numbers have no useful value whatsoever. 
 Just based on how mother nature works, if the wolf packs have enough food (animals, wild or domesticated) to fulfill their nutritional needs, their numbers keep growing. If they don't have the nutrition needed, the pack will start to dwindle in numbers by smaller litter sizes and the dispersal of members as needed. We've all read about wolves that decide to go on walkabouts, traveling insane miles to find their new home. Example; the female that started somewhere in Northeast Oregon and settled in Northern California a few years back. 
 Someone please explain to me how the monitors know a pack is non-breeding? What is the criteria that would determine whether it's a breeding pack or non-breeding pack? Are we supposed to believe that the alpha, just isn't in the mood?   

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