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2MANY:
Furfeather...You could not be more wrong on your assumptions about me. Kinda funny.
That being said the part of the west I frequent the cowboys ride horses and push their herds of cattle from mountain top to the ranch. Right down the highway if needed as a family and usually with the help of some neighbors. Most get sold and then shipped in cattle trucks the first week of November.
Trucks, trailers, cowboys from South America must be a new solution that I'm proud I'm not a part of.
Most all hat no cow types are against public grazing and it's only a matter of time until the west becomes exactly what you described. When it happens you won't need to worry about elk hunting. You'll be feeding your family just like they do in Europe.
2MANY:
"We never find dead cattle from predation."
Nope.
The wolves eat the calves.
Sounds like you should be finding a better spot to elk hunt. The cows in your sector will be showing up every year and time hunting is a precious commodity.
Mudman:
:bash: Years of educatin and experience can lead some down the wrong road it seems. LIVING that life is the true education. Winter feed has 0 to do with summer grazing. Grass grows to seed, falls over and isnt nutritous in feb. Or when it has 2ft of snow on it. Migration to lower elevations occupied by houses of liberals griping about things is where its at. :twocents:
Feathernfurr:
Funny, I’d argue the only person here that’s made assumptions about people is you. Somehow my location makes me an uneducated liberal?
Mudman. Years of education and experience can lead people down the wrong path yet living that life is true education. Weird, experience and living that life sound like they’re the same thing. You’re right, winter forage and summer forage do change. As do ungulates gut microbes to be able to digest different foods to survive. I’ve lived and experienced places with true harsh winters, nothing Washington’s winters can hold a flame to. Winter forage in that area is just about anything they can find to survive. I can assure you the place where I’ve experienced these things the lower elevations aren’t occupied by liberals. The lower elevations aren’t even occupied by houses.
I’m sure both of your experiences are valuable and true. I also think they’re likely specific to smaller operations. But as I said previously, 80-90% of the countries beef production is owned by 4 corporations. That’s not small family operations. But, I’ll stand by my point. I’ve watched prime elk habitat slowly dwindle as cattle get shipped in every year, likely by bigger operations. I’ve also watched cattle illegally grazed by family operations and destroy prime deer and upland habitat. Hundreds of acres of it.
Alan K:
I'm NOT an expert on grazing, but do have a career in forestry...
Why am I not surprised to hear that grazing on federal lands is mismanaged? Sounds similar to how our federal forests are.
I suspect just as in forestry where proper management lies somewhere in the middle between the no-touch federal forests and the 35 year rotation ages of investment group owned industrial lands, proper grazing is somewhere between the continual year after year grazing the same area and cattle free public lands. :twocents:
It's not all or nothing, or at least shouldn't be.
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