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| deerlick:
there is alot of different landowners inside of hancock/manulife. several that allow their employees to hunt elk on their property's within the boundary's of hancock. the place is a giant elk farm that needs more elk killed anyway. |
| cjensen:
--- Quote from: Bullkllr on October 21, 2024, 11:03:28 AM --- --- Quote from: cjensen on October 21, 2024, 10:22:43 AM --- --- Quote from: Bullkllr on October 21, 2024, 08:29:09 AM ---Say the hunter meets with said landowner and is told he can hunt deer, bear, small game, etc. and can also collect berries, mushrooms and firewood. He gets a key to come and go mostly as he pleases. Landowner says something like, "Oh, btw, we manage our own bull elk hunts and you can't even enter the property during elk seasons unless you have specific permission in the form of one of our permits." They've been doing this for decades and everybody in the local hunting community is amply aware of it. The hunting community is also aware of the mature bulls the area grows because of this program. All is good until the hunter pops an exceptional bull elk courtesy of his raffle tag, which he never mentioned he had. Hunter's response is something along the lines of, "Well, you didn't say I couldn't..." Is this situation really that much different because it's the faceless "Manulife Global" and their written rules weren't explicit enough despite the intent? --- End quote --- Thanks for posting the rules as that is helpful for an informed discussion on the topic. The above hypothetical 1 on 1 in-person conversation is a nice thought to consider, but far from the actual experience of dealing with Kapowsin. In your proposed situation, it would have absolutely been very different for me. During the recent process, it wasn't even possible to have a conversation with anybody (including the admin). Email only. There is a difference in working an unreachable faceless entity that you pay for certain access via their rules than some Farmer Joe being kind and letting you on their land and saying some "oh by the way"... It really isn't more complicated than has already been described. They don't regulate elk harvest; they regulate access during general season. Some unknown "community", of which i am clearly not a part, seems to magically know their unspoken intent behind the rules. Unless the people on this forum were telling a tall tale, hunting the raffle tag was allowed in the very recent past (no rule changes since). Did their unspoken intentions change since then? Hindsight says I should have probably asked for specific permission rather than going by the letter of the law or by historical precedent. I paid the price and will continue to take criticism here for some time. I hope someone is at least having fun reading this... :) --- End quote --- I'm just saying how Kapowsin manages elk season access is widely known, but you knew that. And essentially restricting access amounts to managing harvest. I've read through all the pages of posts. I can't find the historical precedent mentioned, but I must say that would change my perspective dramatically. Romulus I believe mentioned he held a raffle tag and was denied hunting it on the tree farm. Have fun. Great bull, not much else to say... --- End quote --- Thank you! This is the forum I was referring to: https://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,171183.msg2262737.html#msg2262737 Read the third page of this forum where several folks had 1st hand conversations and others on this site were helping some raffle guy. It references the fact that Kapowsin specifically allowed the raffle tag holder to hunt there, but they couldnt get a pass before it was sold out. History tells me I was somehow wrong, this thread was wrong, and/or they changed their mind. I first read and reread the rules, and then I went off of information like this to make what ended up being a last-minute decision when the WR unit hadn't worked out yet. Again, plenty of lessons learned here about asking permission anyway, and not trusting everything you read on the internet even if you want it to be true... |
| Romulus:
They probably just deferred to the lack of permits to address the question.....they told me maybe next year if I had that tag.....They dont understand what the raffle even is. At the end of the day if you had a killed an average 6 point no one likely cares......You got a good older bull so good for you. If you dont mind me asking how long are the beams on your bull? |
| Feathernfurr:
This whole situation, the excuse that you used the forum for the rules and not contacting kapowsin, the shameless YouTube plugs, it all reeks of 💩. I think you knew exactly what you were doing. I think this is further indication of where hunting is going in the future and a bad look for our community. I think I posted in my initial post I said good on you for reading between the lines, but now that I think about the circumstances of your raffle and some of the absolute giants I see killed in this state that don’t require reading between the lines, kind of just makes this not even really worth it. |
| cjensen:
--- Quote from: Feathernfurr on October 21, 2024, 04:29:45 PM ---This whole situation, the excuse that you used the forum for the rules and not contacting kapowsin, the shameless YouTube plugs, it all reeks of 💩. I think you knew exactly what you were doing. I think this is further indication of where hunting is going in the future and a bad look for our community. I think I posted in my initial post I said good on you for reading between the lines, but now that I think about the circumstances of your raffle and some of the absolute giants I see killed in this state that don’t require reading between the lines, kind of just makes this not even really worth it. --- End quote --- Well maybe tomorrow when you change your mind you can come back and leave another comment. Who cares about the size of the elk or anybody else's elk. I wasn't going for some monster or concerned what you or anybody else thought of it. As for the youtube, my brother is excited about his channel. He hasn't made a dime and isn't even close to doing so, but we are having fun being hacks and making some amateur hunting videos. Tons of us in this state and everywhere else would love to be Meateater or some variant and make a living hunting! Having said that, if I was doing this for money, this would be the worst investment in history. I went to a hunting forum to share hunting pictures and hunting videos only to have you offended that I share/plug such a thing. What did you hope to read about and watch here buddy? |
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