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Post by: MuleySniper on August 12, 2008, 07:37:11 AM
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Post by: Bookworm on August 13, 2008, 07:58:47 PM
Post by: doesntmatter on August 14, 2008, 12:57:17 PM
I think muleysniper may be correct. You might have the wrong spined arrow for your set up. Or something to do with your rest, maybe your nock moved?
I would suggest taking it to a proshop other than sportsmens warehouse. Rainer Archery is a good one and so is Northwest. Both are in Puyallup. Northwest(Skookum) is off of shaw road and Rainer moved out to Graham, but are right off of Meridian, both are hoyt dealers and very knowledgeable. Not to bad of a drive to either probably take you thirty minutes from federal way.
are you running for political office?? you seem to have flip plopped...
Post by: doesntmatter on August 14, 2008, 01:13:53 PM
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My general is just fine, I think they have known about this minor risk for a while because my bow already has the parts on the bow that they are recalling some for. They recommend getting new limbs if you bought your bow before July 15, which I did, but my bow already had the modification on it and has worked flawlessly.
from the same guy as my last post... where did you bet your bow-tec from??
Post by: bowhuntin on August 14, 2008, 04:44:28 PM
Yes, i used to think they were a good shop. This is where I bought my bowtech general. After doing some reading on the internet and watching the guy work on my bow and find out he was using the wrong press on my bow which could have compromised my limbs on my bow, I just think that is pretty crappy... a pro shop has this name for a reason, because professionals are supposed to work there. IMO a professional should know what press works for a certain bow and which one should never be used on it. I have also been back one more time, which I had purchased a fuse string suppressor and a release. The release turned out to be bad and I exchanged it. Nothing I could do about that or the shop could do besides exchange it, but when it came to the string suppressor I asked if there needed to be serving there because it says that on the majority of those when you install it to put some there. He said it didn't matter. I don't know how many shots later but my string was started to fray pretty good. This IMO compromises the integrity of the string. That is the only two times I have been to that pro shop and it will be my last. If you are going to do half ass work and not work on a bow as you would your own, then I am not going to do business there. So yes I have changed my opinion of this pro shop, I wouldn't recommend them to anybody. I am sure there are guys that disagree with how I feel and those are the guys that probably keep Rainier Archery in business. I was just curious to see if I was the only one that had problems of doing business with this pro shop and it seems that the majority feel the same as I do.
Post by: MIKEXRAY on August 14, 2008, 07:54:33 PM
Post by: Tony 270WSM on August 14, 2008, 08:02:13 PM
Three Rivers Archery in Longview has great service if you're in the area.
Post by: scoyoc5 on August 14, 2008, 08:30:57 PM
Post by: actionshooter on August 14, 2008, 09:23:43 PM
I won't go back.
Post by: flashover52 on August 14, 2008, 11:34:42 PM
If you're in SW WA, I'd recommend either Archery World or Three Rivers. I ultimately bought a Diamond Black Ice at Three Rivers becuase Archery World didn't carry Diamond. It's a bit further up to Longview for me but I was very pleased with the service, technical ability and the BSing. Plus the Techno Hunt at Three Rivers if freakin' awesome!!
The guys at Archery World were top notch too with service. It's nice when they offer 'free' advice and helpful tips to folks shooting on the range while they're working on a bow or some arrows behind the counter.
Post by: doesntmatter on August 15, 2008, 12:27:14 AM
Post by: blmathis12 on August 15, 2008, 11:38:48 AM
Post by: bowhuntin on August 15, 2008, 04:36:18 PM
Slow down fellas... first off mike, all i did was repost what bowhuntin said about your problem. Nothing against you. But in your post you never say what type of string you bought. You get what you pay for. For me its only winners choice. You can get them at any proshop. He told you he thought rainier was a good shop, but later changed his mind, as he has posted. A typical politition. I do agree with you bowhuntin, that it is called a pro shop for a reason, and if you had a bad experience with the pro shop you have the right to complain. Name one pro shop that you have never had a problem with. I am in the market for a new bow and came here to see what other bowhunters thought about the bows they have shot. I have an older browning afterburner and i was looking to upgrade. All i did was point out, and wanted to know where you got your bow-tech from, how you seem to have changed your mind on a certian shop. I dont think 9 posts make a majority out of 10,000 bowhunters but i could be wrong. I cant see myself buying from cabelas or sportmans warehouse due to the fact that the pros they hire are making minimum wage. I shot a Hoyt today and cant figure out why anyone shoots them...so much shock. matthews and bow-tech have them beat. Does anyone know what pro shop has the new Elite bows in stock??? I want to try one out. Bowhuntin...im not trying to get into a pissin match...im just trying to evaluate what everyone says about all the different bows and places to buy them...
I'm not trying to get in a pissin match either. Your statements were vague to begin with, so I wasn't really sure where you were going. If you were in the market for a new bow, why didn't you just say so? As for my bow string it is a winners choice and it wouldn't really matter if it was or wasn't in this case because without serving where my string suppressor is, it will start to fray any string compromising the integrity. I did go out to Rainer to buy my bowtech because I knew he was a dealer and he also had mathews, bowtech, bear, and mission bows that I could shoot and compare. I wasn't refering to the majority of bowhunters in the state, just those that responded to this thread that don't think his service is very good. I have heard that he gets a lot of complaints and I was just trying to get a feel for what others thought of his shop. As for changing my mind I am human, I learn from experience and was optimistic that maybe the first time of not getting very good service was just a fluke, but after going back a second time as stated in my last post, it wasn't and I am not going back. I am not made out of money and am not going to spend more to fix a potential problem that never should have been one in the first place because they did half ass work. If you want a good pro shop, the one I used to go to when I lived in Ellensburg is out in Yakima off of Ahtanum road. It is called AS & J Archery. He does a good job in my opinion. He doesn't sell bowtech, but is a mathews and hoyt dealer. Chaz at the sportsmans warehouse in federal way is also a good one to deal with, can't say that for all the people that work there though. Good luck in finding a new bow, it is always fun shopping for a new toy.
Post by: ICEMAN on August 15, 2008, 11:36:56 PM
Post by: bowhuntin on August 16, 2008, 12:39:00 AM
Doesntmatter.....do you work at the Rainier shop? Sort of sounds like you do to me...or maybe I missed it somewhere...
Good question, it kind of sounds like that to me too, but it still isn't going to change my mind about that shop. They are friendly bunch of people, but their work isn't up to my standards.
Post by: bullcanyon on August 17, 2008, 06:37:16 AM
My own experience was a few years ago. Went in to check out some bows. Couldn't get the time of day from him. All he wanted to talk about was his trip to Spain, Haven't been back.
I STRONLY URGE YOU TO SEEK ANOTHER SHOP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Kris
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Post by: Typical8 on August 30, 2008, 10:23:50 PM
Post by: huntnphool on August 30, 2008, 10:29:39 PM
Post by: bullcanyon on August 31, 2008, 10:51:04 AM
Glad you're shooting good. Hopefully it will continue once you put broadheads on. That is the true test of how good of a job they did.
Curious what they put on your string. Did you go with a loop or a brass nock? If the nock. Did they give your arrow a cushion so it doesn't get pinched? Did they papertune or just laser tune it?
With you saying they handled everyone exceptionally well. That raises an eyebrow. Wonder if he hired new help.
Post by: Nash on August 31, 2008, 03:34:34 PM
Post by: Typical8 on August 31, 2008, 08:33:56 PM
They Paper tuned it. Not sure about new employees, but they were at least 4 helping Friday and 3 were there on Saturday. I am no Archery expert by any means but I am in the customer service area myself, and in my experience they did a great Job. The DXT is impressive Bow.
Post by: WAPITIHUNTER on September 28, 2008, 10:08:38 AM
I HAVE BEEN USING JOE AND ALL HIS EXPERTISE FOR 13 YEARS OR SO NOW. I HAVE HARVESTED 9 ELK WITH THE BOWS THAT HE HAS SOLD ME. IF YOU INCLUDE THE 3 THAT I SHOT AND DIDN'T RECOVER ( TWO OF THOSE SURVIVED ) THAT MAKES 12 ELK SHOT IN 13 YEARS ALL USING BOWS AND ARROWS BOUGHT AND SETUP BY RAINIER ARCHERY.(SEE MASHELL UNIT BULLS IN THE ELK HUNTING FORUM)
SUCCESS SPEAKS VOLUMES ABOUT PRODUCTS AND SERVICE. IF MY EQUIPMENT WAS ALWAYS FALLING APART OR DIDN'T SHOOT BECAUSE IT WAS SETUP IMPROPERLY I PROBABLY WOULDN'T BE AS SUCCESSFUL AS I HAVE BEEN.
MY PERSONAL OPINION ABOUT RAINIER ARCHERY IS THAT THEY ARE A GROUP OF PROFESSIONAL ARCHERS THAT HAVE BEEN DOING IT FOR A LONG LONG TIME. THEY KNOW THEIR STUFF.
SEEMS TO ME THAT ALL THE BAD REPORTS ARE COMING FROM THOSE THAT HAVE EGO PROBLEMS. YOU KNOW THE GUYS THAT ARE GOD'S GIFT TO THE ARCHERY HUNTING WORLD. THE GUYS THAT KNOW IT ALL. THE TYPE OF GUYS THAT INSTANTLY START BLAMING THERE EGUIPMENT OR THE PERSON THAT SET UP THERE EQUIPMENT BECAUSE THEY SHOOT LIKE CRAP.
IF YOU WANT TO BE A BETTER ARCHER THEN JUST SHUT YOUR STUPID MOUTH AND LISTEN TO THE PROFESSIONAL, WATCH THE PROFESSIONAL AND LEARN FROM THE PROFESSIONAL.
WHEN I FIRST STARTED OUT I HAD MYSELF CONVINCED THAT I KNEW HOW TO SHOOT. I WAS YOUNG AND STUPID AND I DIDN'T KNOW JACK *censored*. WHEN I STARTED LISTENING TO JOE'S ADVICE AND STARTED WATCHING WHAT HE WAS DOING DURING MY TUNING SESSIONS I ACTUALLY STARTED TO LEARN AND THEN I REALLY STARTED TO SHOOT WELL. EVERY TIME I WAS HAVING PROBLEMS TUNING IT WAS ALMOST ALWAYS RELATED TO MY SHOOTING FORM. ONCE I STEPED OUTSIDE OF MYSELF AND LOOKED AT WHAT I WAS DOING AND IMITATED WHAT I WAS WATCHING JOE DO, IT ALL CAME TOGETHER.
I HAVE HAD SOME PROBLEMS GETTING MY EQUIPMENT TUNED. I HAVE ALWAYS SHOT HOYT BOWS. SOME OF THE MODELS WERE FINICKY. IN FACT THEY ALL HAVE BEEN. BUT THEY ALWAYS SHOT BULLETS EVENTUALLY. JOE ALWAYS SPENT THE TIME TO GET ME SHOOTING BULLETS. ALWAYS!
NOW, BECAUSE I LISTENED AND LEARNED FROM A TRUE PROFESSIONAL, I AM ABLE TO SHOOT SIX INCH GROUPS AT 100 YARDS WITH MY HOYT HYPERTECH WITH THE RELINE CAM. THAT IS THEIR SPEED BOW FROM 5 YEARS BACK. VERY LOW BRACE HEIGHT. HARD TO SHOOT WELL. THAT'S WHAT YOU CAN DO WHEN YOU LEARN FROM THE PRO'S.
TO SUM IT UP.........THOSE WHO WANT TO KEEP BAD MOUTHING JOE ARE COMPLETELY ENTITLED TO THEIR OPINION. I ON THE OTHER HAND AM GOING TO CONTINUE USING JOE AND BECAUSE OF THAT I THINK I HAVE ANOTHER BUNCH OF SUCCESSFUL HUNTS AND GOOD SHOOTING EQUIPMENT IN MY FUTURE. IF YOU WANT TO BE A SUCCESSFUL ARCHER START USING RAINIER ARCHERY. IF YOU DON'T THEN JUST KEEP COMPLAINING......I WILL GO AHEAD AND SHOOT ALL THE DEER AND ELK THAT YOU COULD BE SHOOTING. SOMETIMES ITS GOOD TO REMIND YOURSELF THAT YOU ARE NOT AS GOOD AS YOU THINK YOU ARE.
Post by: archery288 on September 28, 2008, 10:36:19 AM
Post by: WDFW-SUX on September 28, 2008, 10:38:15 AM
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I have had some bad experiences with Joe
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Post by: WAPITIHUNTER on September 28, 2008, 04:25:39 PM
IF YOU REALLY ARE ONLY 20 YEARS OLD THEN YOU REALLY DON'T KNOW A FREAKING THING.
ONCE YOU HAVE PUT SOME SERIOUS YEARS OF ARCHERY HUNTING EXPERIENCE BEHIND YOU THEN MAYBE YOUR POSTS WILL ACTUALLY BE WORTH READING.
YOU ARE WET BEHIND THE EARS.
AT YOUR AGE YOU THINK YOU ARE THE BEST THAT HAS EVER WALKED THE FACE OF THE EARTH. IN OTHER WORDS YOU THINK YOU KNOW EVERYTHING.
Post by: Bookworm on September 28, 2008, 04:33:17 PM
Post by: huntnphool on September 28, 2008, 04:39:11 PM
I'm with Bookworm as well, much appreciated :twocents:
Post by: bowhuntin on September 28, 2008, 04:47:26 PM
SEEMS TO ME THAT ALL THE BAD REPORTS ARE COMING FROM THOSE THAT HAVE EGO PROBLEMS.
are you sure that you aren't the one with the ego problem?
Post by: WAPITIHUNTER on September 28, 2008, 05:06:44 PM
Maybe some people should stop defaming a perfectly capable and professional shop.
Just because one person has a bad experience with a shop does not mean that everybody will. If you took all the people that have ever used Rainier Archery and then got a percentage of dissatisfied customers I honestly believe that that percentage would be very small.
If Rainier Archery was really as bad as some have made them out to be, then why is Joe selling so many bows? Why is the shop prospering?
Post by: Bookworm on September 28, 2008, 05:11:47 PM
Post by: scoyoc5 on September 28, 2008, 05:14:44 PM
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location and mathews. not service :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: M_ray on September 28, 2008, 05:32:34 PM
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Just because one person has a bad experience with a shop
I think that is point some are making here WAPITIHUNTER it isn't just one person that has had a poor experience. On the flip side if what you say is true than just because you have great service from Joe Doesn't mean everybody does! Hey it's great that you believe he makes you a better shooter and that he gives you an edge, but the same may not work for everyone ;)
And as far as the personal attack on Archery288? :bdid: :pee: matches are for MM! :chuckle:
Post by: JoeVon on September 28, 2008, 06:30:42 PM
Post by: archery288 on September 28, 2008, 07:25:31 PM
HEY ARCHERY288
IF YOU REALLY ARE ONLY 20 YEARS OLD THEN YOU REALLY DON'T KNOW A FREAKING THING.
ONCE YOU HAVE PUT SOME SERIOUS YEARS OF ARCHERY HUNTING EXPERIENCE BEHIND YOU THEN MAYBE YOUR POSTS WILL ACTUALLY BE WORTH READING.
YOU ARE WET BEHIND THE EARS.
AT YOUR AGE YOU THINK YOU ARE THE BEST THAT HAS EVER WALKED THE FACE OF THE EARTH. IN OTHER WORDS YOU THINK YOU KNOW EVERYTHING.
Your right WAPITIHUNTER - I don't know a thing about archery hunting at all! Thank you for pointing that out... :hello: Good luck in the field!
Post by: M_ray on September 28, 2008, 08:13:53 PM
Post by: huntnphool on September 28, 2008, 08:27:31 PM
Besides we have all seen your pics where's his?
I want to know how Jon always gets picks with his friends animals, I'm surprised I havn't seen him posing with Charlies bull :chuckle: Just flipping you crap Jon ;)
Post by: billythekidrock on September 28, 2008, 08:31:21 PM
Besides we have all seen your pics where's his?
I want to know how Jon always gets picks with his friends animals, I'm surprised I havn't seen him posing with Charlies bull :chuckle: Just flipping you crap Jon ;)
I think there is a pic with Jon and Cameron in the background, behind Charlie and friends ... or is that pic still on my pc? :chuckle:
Post by: archery288 on September 28, 2008, 08:34:20 PM
Besides we have all seen your pics where's his?
I want to know how Jon always gets picks with his friends animals, I'm surprised I havn't seen him posing with Charlies bull :chuckle: Just flipping you crap Jon ;)
I think there is a pic with Jon and Cameron in the background, behind Charlie and friends ... or is that pic still on my pc? :chuckle:
Thanks guys, just thanks! :'( :chuckle:
Post by: huntnphool on September 28, 2008, 08:41:19 PM
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Post by: jackelope on September 28, 2008, 09:58:16 PM
Thanks guys, just thanks! :'( :chuckle:
:lol4: :jacked:
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thank god the thread got jacked...it was going in a bad direction.
Post by: bucklucky on September 28, 2008, 11:26:31 PM
Post by: M_ray on September 28, 2008, 11:34:25 PM
Post by: WAPITIHUNTER on September 29, 2008, 06:26:38 AM
Post by: DeKuma on September 29, 2008, 07:03:54 AM
Do some research on Archery288 (Jon). He may be young, but he has hunted and learned from some of the best and accomplished a lot in his short years. He has also been a very valuable asset to this board and contributed a lot to all of us. He has earned his respect on this board, not just by his photos, but by his actions and dealings with the membership.
Post by: WAPITIHUNTER on September 29, 2008, 07:13:27 AM
Post by: M_ray on September 29, 2008, 12:22:25 PM
Post by: WAPITIHUNTER on September 29, 2008, 12:57:02 PM
The does were extremely spooky. Even with the ideal stalking conditions, soft sand and all. I found out why on the way out the first day. Two week old cougar kill. 22" forky with 10" deep forks. Beams were like bananas all the way up. Packed it out.
As i didn't see any of the really really big dogs on the first day i decided i would shoot watever would let me get close enough. Saw this one from 300 yards. walked over to where he was standing and he had disappeared. Flat as a pancake as you can see in the picture. No where to hide. Oh crap he is right there behind that one big sage bush. Ranged him at 52 yards drew back he stepped out broadside. Released right as he was sensing my presence. To late blew right through his aorta. pass through. he went 20 yards. What a thrill that hunt was .
If any body else draws that hunt let me know i will tell you where i found all the deer.
Post by: bow4elk on September 29, 2008, 01:19:15 PM
Post by: WAPITIHUNTER on September 29, 2008, 01:30:35 PM
I just wish i could draw An elk tag. 12 stinking years and counting. Anybody have any ideas on a hunt that is worth 12 years(points)?
Post by: bucklucky on September 29, 2008, 01:37:43 PM
Post by: WAPITIHUNTER on September 29, 2008, 01:54:18 PM
Post by: bucklucky on September 29, 2008, 01:58:14 PM
Post by: DeKuma on September 29, 2008, 02:03:09 PM
Yeah I understand. Don't worry I will appease. ;)
Be careful how you word things like that with Charlie! He might go Brokeback on you...... :yike:
Post by: WAPITIHUNTER on September 29, 2008, 02:23:41 PM
Post by: bucklucky on September 29, 2008, 02:31:46 PM
Yeah I understand. Don't worry I will appease. ;)
Be careful how you word things like that with Charlie! He might go Brokeback on you...... :yike:
WTF! I tought we was frends :chuckle:
I think you got me mixed up with Mark (M_ray) :chuckle:
Post by: WAPITIHUNTER on September 29, 2008, 02:36:43 PM
Post by: M_ray on September 29, 2008, 02:49:30 PM
Post by: bucklucky on September 29, 2008, 02:57:35 PM
No No you're forgetting something BL ... I may have to start a new chapter of the Hunt-wa Broke Back Chronicles starring Bucklucky! :chuckle:
So when we going camping Mark :chuckle:
Thats just wrong right there :bash:
Post by: DeKuma on September 29, 2008, 03:24:24 PM
You gots a purdy mouth.............
Post by: billythekidrock on September 29, 2008, 04:53:34 PM
Yeah I understand. Don't worry I will appease. ;)
Be careful how you word things like that with Charlie! He might go Brokeback on you...... :yike:
WTF! I tought we was frends :chuckle:
:chuckle:
Yea, brokeback friends.
Post by: huntnphool on September 29, 2008, 05:04:40 PM
I may have to start a new chapter of the Hunt-wa Broke Back Chronicles
Well just make sure it starts sometime after November 16th :chuckle: I know this is an inside joke right now but M-Ray may have some good news to share shortly ;)
Post by: bucklucky on September 29, 2008, 06:05:13 PM
Post by: DeKuma on September 29, 2008, 06:12:01 PM
Post by: bucklucky on September 29, 2008, 06:41:33 PM
Post by: Wea300mag on September 29, 2008, 07:19:55 PM
Nice pics WAPITI
Post by: WAPITIHUNTER on September 29, 2008, 07:53:03 PM
Post by: bucklucky on September 29, 2008, 08:34:27 PM
Post by: bullcanyon on September 29, 2008, 08:55:20 PM
Post by: bucklucky on September 29, 2008, 09:02:54 PM
Post by: bullcanyon on September 30, 2008, 05:02:39 AM
Post by: WAPITIHUNTER on September 30, 2008, 05:59:16 AM
On top of that some are hearing the bad publicity, whether it be true or not and then they start passing it on to others. That is very damaging to someones reputation and their ability to provide for there families and employees. Thats borderline slander if you ask me.
Post by: ICEMAN on September 30, 2008, 06:08:44 AM
I see no problem with an open discussion on the topic. This type of back and forth discussion regarding any topic is why we are all here. Member asks for other members opinions. Works for me....
Post by: cohoho on September 30, 2008, 11:10:48 AM
Not sure I would call folks opinions of service they received as slander. The way I see this discussion going, we have folks who have received bad, and others who have received good service. These are your collective opinions, not really "facts", too subjective to claim as fact in my opinion...
I see no problem with an open discussion on the topic. This type of back and forth discussion regarding any topic is why we are all here. Member asks for other members opinions. Works for me....
:yeah: besides, Iceman can cook...............????? :cue:
Post by: DeKuma on September 30, 2008, 02:23:37 PM
I keep hearing that but he has yet to send anything my way.........Not sure I would call folks opinions of service they received as slander. The way I see this discussion going, we have folks who have received bad, and others who have received good service. These are your collective opinions, not really "facts", too subjective to claim as fact in my opinion...
I see no problem with an open discussion on the topic. This type of back and forth discussion regarding any topic is why we are all here. Member asks for other members opinions. Works for me....
:yeah: besides, Iceman can cook...............????? :cue:
Post by: ICEMAN on September 30, 2008, 08:43:49 PM
Post by: bucklucky on September 30, 2008, 08:51:41 PM
Post by: bullcanyon on September 30, 2008, 09:00:57 PM
So I guess if you know a good bit about archery. You probably wouldn't have any problem with Joe. As long as you make sure he does what is supposed to be done. If you are a newbie. I'd shy away.
Post by: ICEMAN on October 01, 2008, 06:16:54 AM
Post by: KillBilly on October 01, 2008, 06:41:08 AM
No i don't think that Joe Lilly is the only one who know anything about archery. Its just that those others that know a thing or two and have a couple years experience next to Joes decades of experience feel that they are entitled to be the most knowledgeable. Coming from someone that is actually licensed by the state as a professional, bad mouthing someone to make yourself look better and take work away from the other is a really big no no. Not just ethically but professionally. Also it seems that some have forgot that in the world of archery most of the way things are set up, whether good or bad, is based off someones opinion. Some opinions are based off of experience and some are not. In my thirteen years or so of using Rainier Archery i have developed the opinion that Joe knows what he is doing. For those of you out there that have gone to Joe once and walked out disgruntled claiming that Joe is arrogant and knows nothing, your opinion is based off of a one time experience and then you are bad mouthing him to others. That is very unprofessional.
On top of that some are hearing the bad publicity, whether it be true or not and then they start passing it on to others. That is very damaging to someones reputation and their ability to provide for there families and employees. Thats borderline slander if you ask me.
"licensed by the state as a professional" ?????? WTF ....Having a business license does not constitute or designate any person working for that establishment as a Professional. Where did that idea come from?
Post by: coonhound on October 02, 2008, 08:41:50 PM
No i don't think that Joe Lilly is the only one who know anything about archery. Its just that those others that know a thing or two and have a couple years experience next to Joes decades of experience feel that they are entitled to be the most knowledgeable. Coming from someone that is actually licensed by the state as a professional, bad mouthing someone to make yourself look better and take work away from the other is a really big no no. Not just ethically but professionally. Also it seems that some have forgot that in the world of archery most of the way things are set up, whether good or bad, is based off someones opinion. Some opinions are based off of experience and some are not. In my thirteen years or so of using Rainier Archery i have developed the opinion that Joe knows what he is doing. For those of you out there that have gone to Joe once and walked out disgruntled claiming that Joe is arrogant and knows nothing, your opinion is based off of a one time experience and then you are bad mouthing him to others. That is very unprofessional.
On top of that some are hearing the bad publicity, whether it be true or not and then they start passing it on to others. That is very damaging to someones reputation and their ability to provide for there families and employees. Thats borderline slander if you ask me.
"licensed by the state as a professional" ?????? WTF ....Having a business license does not constitute or designate any person working for that establishment as a Professional. Where did that idea come from?
Trying to make myself look better????? Does me pointing out that a I had a center serving re-done and it unraveled after about 50 shots, a nock point that was set over 1" high, fletching that fell off after one shot?
Now lets talk about the definition of arrogance, someone that's so busy making sure you know how great he is he doesn't listen to your needs and never really answers your questions? Someone that asks you "who screwed this up" and when you get your work done it's worse than when you brought it in? By the way, I've been in there no less than a dozen times because it's convenient, always thinking it'll get better, well it didn't and I'm done.
I don't claim to be an expert because I do my own work, infact I love to pick the brains of someone that is willing to listen to my questions and share their knowledge. My experience with Joe is always lacking in information but full of himself.
In defense of Rainer, he does carry a great selection of bows and he has a couple good guys working for him...phew that was hard for me.
Try a place like Lucky Shot and 3 Rivers and you'll find a shop that will answer questions and work with you as long as you want. They'll listen to your stories and tell a few of their own. Shops like these aren't afraid to share info about work that will ultimately cost them a loss in work. I am willing to drive the extra miles to enjoy the BS sessions and support you get from a shop that enjoys it's patrons as much as themselves.
My feeling is this, when you own a small business customer service has always got to be job one...
Coon
Post by: WAPITIHUNTER on October 05, 2008, 10:13:50 AM
Post by: WAPITIHUNTER on October 05, 2008, 10:17:59 AM
Post by: KillBilly on October 07, 2008, 09:46:08 AM
Oh and by the way my sister-in-law shot a gigantic bull moose on Friday on her Huckleberry hunt. I will let my brother Finnman tell the story and post the pics. Better be sitting down when you look at the pics. Its an absolute giant. Maybe offering to be a helper and packer wasn't such a good idea. I am beat.
I read the whole story, great hunt and great story.
Post by: Old Mule on October 09, 2008, 03:35:24 PM
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Post by: bone head on December 07, 2008, 07:40:15 AM
Post by: MIKEXRAY on December 08, 2008, 10:21:20 AM
Post by: skynyr on December 08, 2008, 10:54:49 AM
Post by: bowhuntin on December 08, 2008, 01:03:42 PM
:'( :'( :'( :'(way to much crying going on in here. sounds like a bunch of old ladies yacking.... i live clear down in oregon and i like the guys at the shop and they've always done good for me. :hello: oh and i see that "bowhuntin" is the one thats doing most of the crying in here and has stirred this pot up but in my eyes your (bowhuntin) just a cry baby thats not happy with anything.... :tung:
I gave this proshop the benefit of the doubt a couple times. That is one to many times if you ask me. But if you want to keep taking a piece of very expensive equipment to a shop go for it. I have never once told anyone not to use his shop. I didn't think much of his work, a lot of guys feel the same way too. I figured I would have been in the minority as much business that shop gets. There seems to be only a handful of guys on this site that like that shop, but some of those people are the real crybabies because their shop has been put down, they attack me by saying i am using slander or that i am the crybaby. If you like their shop fine by me keep using them, I will keep looking for a different proshop.
Post by: bone head on December 08, 2008, 02:41:30 PM
Post by: Hoytstaffshooter83 on December 11, 2008, 05:24:27 PM