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Title: 20 yds - Dead on, 30 yds - 3" left, What?
Post by: DoubleJ on June 30, 2012, 06:15:06 PM: This is my current broadhead shooting problem. Is this a fletching/broadhead problem? I have do figure it is since I can't individually tune my pins. Thoughts?
Title: Re: 20 yds - Dead on, 30 yds - 3" left, What?
Post by: hughjorgan on June 30, 2012, 06:18:16 PM: It could be your form or a tuning issue. You could try moving your rest or just move your site so you are hitting where you are aiming.
Title: Re: 20 yds - Dead on, 30 yds - 3" left, What?
Post by: D-Rock425 on June 30, 2012, 06:19:03 PM: Operator error. :chuckle:
Title: Re: 20 yds - Dead on, 30 yds - 3" left, What?
Post by: buckfvr on June 30, 2012, 06:26:37 PM: Are your field points dead on ????? Dial in your field points out to 50 yards......for starters.
Title: Re: 20 yds - Dead on, 30 yds - 3" left, What?
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on June 30, 2012, 06:32:03 PM: Can be anything ...movement - bow not tuned on and on ... Are your pins all in line ...if they are and your on at 20 and not on at 30 then its you or your bow :dunno: :chuckle:
Title: Re: 20 yds - Dead on, 30 yds - 3" left, What?
Post by: DoubleJ on June 30, 2012, 06:39:03 PM: Quote from: D-Rock425 on June 30, 2012, 06:19:03 PM
Operator error. :chuckle:

Would not doubt this for a second
Title: Re: 20 yds - Dead on, 30 yds - 3" left, What?
Post by: DoubleJ on June 30, 2012, 06:41:31 PM: Quote from: buckfvr on June 30, 2012, 06:26:37 PM
Are your field points dead on ????? Dial in your field points out to 50 yards......for starters.

They were, til I put those damned FOB's on :chuckle: I think I just need some time with everything. I'd like to have about 3 hours to sit and adjust stuff. Having to make adjustments when I only get about 10 shots a day is proving difficult
Title: Re: 20 yds - Dead on, 30 yds - 3" left, What?
Post by: huntnphool on June 30, 2012, 06:42:27 PM: If its on at 20 and off at 30 then try it at 10, in theory it should be a little right. If its still on at 10 then it is turning mid flight after the 20 yard point and wouldn't be your pins, it would be the fletching or broadhead causing it.

I'd try buckfvr's advice and try 30-40 yards with field points, if flying true then fletching, pins and shooter are fine, broadhead problem.
Title: Re: 20 yds - Dead on, 30 yds - 3" left, What?
Post by: boneaddict on June 30, 2012, 06:43:18 PM: shoot some paper and see if you puncture or rip.

follow through....

OH, FOBs, guess you are SOL :)
Title: Re: 20 yds - Dead on, 30 yds - 3" left, What?
Post by: Button Nubbs on June 30, 2012, 06:58:51 PM: double j,

i really think you are overthinking alot of things. ever hear the acronym K.I.S.S.? pick something that has been proven time and time again and stick with it. none of the new gadgets/gizmos with make you shoot any better. just get out there and practice and remember K.I.S.S.! (no offence)
Title: Re: 20 yds - Dead on, 30 yds - 3" left, What?
Post by: boneaddict on June 30, 2012, 07:01:26 PM: I actually live by that creed.
Title: Re: 20 yds - Dead on, 30 yds - 3" left, What?
Post by: buckfvr on June 30, 2012, 07:15:08 PM: I am thinking it may be center shot related.......measure off the riser wall to center of shaft. 13/16ths is a recommended starting point for several manufacturers. I sometimes wind up at 3/4 or 7/8, but point is, if your are a bit left at 30, a bit more at 40, and even more at 50, you will need to move your rest to the right. You may need to start this process with your field points if this measurement is way off.....When/if you decide you need to move your rest...do so in minute stages until you get desired results. Keep in mind to measure off the wall to center of shaft so you dont get less than 3/4.

Remember, a relaxed bow hand, not flexxed, and do not grab your grip......you have a sling right ?
Title: Re: 20 yds - Dead on, 30 yds - 3" left, What?
Post by: jrebel on June 30, 2012, 07:28:45 PM: What broadhead are you shooting? I have shot many and found that some are just plain garbage. I had one brand...fairly cheap....consistantly 6 inches low and 6 inches left. swiched to another and would cut fleches every shot and point of impact was same as my field points. Don't go messing with your bow if you can get field points to do what you want. Ask a few buddies for a broadhead and try to shoot diffent broadheads through your set up. Go with the one that works. If no broad head flies good then start monkying with your bow. :twocents:
Title: Re: 20 yds - Dead on, 30 yds - 3" left, What?
Post by: RadSav on June 30, 2012, 07:50:42 PM: With all due respect to ToddID - Dump the FOB's first.

Did I send you a sight on that bow with no bubble level?
Title: Re: 20 yds - Dead on, 30 yds - 3" left, What?
Post by: buckfvr on June 30, 2012, 07:55:09 PM: I sent him the two dozen FOBs free......and told him he cant send them back............. :chuckle:
Title: Re: 20 yds - Dead on, 30 yds - 3" left, What?
Post by: RadSav on June 30, 2012, 07:58:52 PM: Quote from: buckfvr on June 30, 2012, 07:55:09 PM
I sent him the two dozen FOBs free......and told him he cant send them back............. :chuckle:

You're not very nice :chuckle:
Title: Re: 20 yds - Dead on, 30 yds - 3" left, What?
Post by: DoubleJ on June 30, 2012, 09:18:25 PM: Quote from: RadSav on June 30, 2012, 07:50:42 PM
With all due respect to ToddID - Dump the FOB's first.

Did I send you a sight on that bow with no bubble level?

I figured that out probably about the time you posted this. I'm not used to having a level. I was WAY off center. It helped a lot. I'm going to give the FOB's a fighting chance. I REALLY want them to work. I am done with the Fusions though. I also have some Vanetc HP 2" I got a free sample of a few days ago. Going to load a few of those up tonight
Title: Re: 20 yds - Dead on, 30 yds - 3" left, What?
Post by: DoubleJ on June 30, 2012, 09:19:18 PM: Quote from: RadSav on June 30, 2012, 07:58:52 PM
Quote from: buckfvr on June 30, 2012, 07:55:09 PM
I sent him the two dozen FOBs free......and told him he cant send them back............. :chuckle:

You're not very nice :chuckle:

Lol!!!
Title: Re: 20 yds - Dead on, 30 yds - 3" left, What?
Post by: huntnphool on June 30, 2012, 09:30:38 PM: Quote from: buckfvr on June 30, 2012, 07:55:09 PM
I sent him the two dozen FOBs free......and told him he cant send them back............. :chuckle:
You should have packaged them with one of those butt out tools.
Title: Re: 20 yds - Dead on, 30 yds - 3" left, What?
Post by: Fullabull on June 30, 2012, 09:33:13 PM: DoubleJ.

Finish tuning the bow first, then shoot BH's for fine tuning. You should go to the Easton web site and look for downloads, they have a great tuning guide you can download and never have problems again :)

Good luck
Title: Re: 20 yds - Dead on, 30 yds - 3" left, What?
Post by: DoubleJ on June 30, 2012, 10:02:38 PM: Quote from: JKEEN33 on June 30, 2012, 09:45:55 PM
If you get the chance, I would come out for this. We have a couple guys at CRB that are great at tuning. http://cedarriverbowmen.net/docs/flyers/2012_FinalTune.pdf (http://cedarriverbowmen.net/docs/flyers/2012_FinalTune.pdf)

Where is this?
Title: Re: 20 yds - Dead on, 30 yds - 3" left, What?
Post by: RadSav on June 30, 2012, 11:58:00 PM: John,
PM me with your email address. We can get this remedied with little or no trouble. I just need to send you a PDF.
Title: Re: 20 yds - Dead on, 30 yds - 3" left, What?
Post by: buckfvr on July 01, 2012, 09:12:20 AM: Quote from: huntnphool on June 30, 2012, 09:30:38 PM
Quote from: buckfvr on June 30, 2012, 07:55:09 PM
I sent him the two dozen FOBs free......and told him he cant send them back............. :chuckle:
You should have packaged them with one of those butt out tools.

I wont give up my butt out tools that easy...... :sry:
Title: Re: 20 yds - Dead on, 30 yds - 3" left, What?
Post by: D-Rock425 on July 01, 2012, 09:24:07 AM: Can someone tell me what a FOB is? I feel dumb asking.
Title: Re: 20 yds - Dead on, 30 yds - 3" left, What?
Post by: boneaddict on July 01, 2012, 10:16:44 AM: Quote
Can someone tell me what a FOB is? I feel dumb asking.

At least you didn't ask what a butt out tool was.
Title: Re: 20 yds - Dead on, 30 yds - 3" left, What?
Post by: hughjorgan on July 01, 2012, 10:31:27 AM: Quote from: D-Rock425 on July 01, 2012, 09:24:07 AM
Can someone tell me what a FOB is? I feel dumb asking.

http://starrflight.com/ (http://starrflight.com/)
Title: Re: 20 yds - Dead on, 30 yds - 3" left, What?
Post by: Fullabull on July 01, 2012, 10:44:18 AM: I thought about trying them after I saw a guy at the rang using them but I think I would break to many of them and it would get expensive. Also, the walk around course is next to the flat range and I could hear those thing going all the way down the rang to the target. Not for me!!!

Go here and learn to tune your bow well, once you know how too it becomes easy to make changes to your bow and then re-tune in not time at all.

http://www.eastonarchery.com/img/downloads/software/tuning_guide.pdf (http://www.eastonarchery.com/img/downloads/software/tuning_guide.pdf)
Title: Re: 20 yds - Dead on, 30 yds - 3" left, What?
Post by: D-Rock425 on July 01, 2012, 10:59:51 AM: Quote from: boneaddict on July 01, 2012, 10:16:44 AM
Quote
Can someone tell me what a FOB is? I feel dumb asking.

At least you didn't ask what a butt out tool was.
whats a butt out tool?
Title: Re: 20 yds - Dead on, 30 yds - 3" left, What?
Post by: huntnphool on July 01, 2012, 12:18:58 PM: Quote from: boneaddict on July 01, 2012, 10:16:44 AM
Quote
Can someone tell me what a FOB is? I feel dumb asking.

At least you didn't ask what a butt out tool was.
:chuckle:
Title: Re: 20 yds - Dead on, 30 yds - 3" left, What?
Post by: jechicdr on July 01, 2012, 12:50:24 PM: Tuning issue:
The simple answer is: If one distance is hitting left or center and other is hitting center or right, then there is a tuning issue. Where your arrow hits at longer distances is where your bow wants to shoot the arrow. Where you hit at short distances is where your rest is trying to force the arrow. If you move the rest in the direction your bow is trying to shoot the arrow, you will essentially be tuning your bow or bringing the arrow closer to center shot. A tuning method called modified French tuning takes this into account. You start out shooting at 3 yards and move the sight pins so you are hitting a vertical line going through bullseye. Then you step back to 10/15/20 yards and take 3 shots. If your arrows hit left (then close in your bow is pushing arrow to the right of where the arrow wants to go) you will move rest to the left (1/16 inch at a time). Then repeat at 3 yards (adjust sight to the hit the vertical line). Step back and repeat rest adjustment if needed. If you cross center shot, then the adjustments will reverse and you'll need to go back to previous rest setting, or half the distance.

I like this tuning method because I can consistently hit the same spot at 3 and 10 yards. When I start missing at 50-80 yards, I can only blame form and fatigues.

Sighting issue:
If your arrow is left at close range and left at distant range, then it is a sight issue.
Title: Re: 20 yds - Dead on, 30 yds - 3" left, What?
Post by: et1702 on July 02, 2012, 11:31:24 AM: Quote from: boneaddict on June 30, 2012, 06:43:18 PM
shoot some paper and see if you puncture or rip.

follow through....

Not your sights! Arrow has some side deflection (i.e., need to move rest to find center shot). So, as Bone recommends, you need to shoot some paper. Sounds like your rest is a little off of center shot. Start w/FPs. Again, you need to shoot a bullet hole thru paper w/FP's FYI, if you are shooting left, need to move rest slightly to right. But, first make sure there is no contact of fletches with rest before you try to tune center shot.

ET