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Title: Long Range 270
Post by: snowshoes22 on July 06, 2012, 10:52:09 PM
I am looking into a long range 270 project.  I don't have the funds to buy everything in one shot so i will be buying parts as i can put the money aside.  I have a savage 110 pre accutrigger for the action.  I want to build the rifle around the matrix 165's or something similar.  I'm looking for a 1:9 twist barrel.  any suggestions on triggers and barrels.  I'm looking at jewel and benchmark.  I have not decided on a stock either.  it needs to be light enough to hunt with but heavy enough for some informal long range steel or paper.  What do you guys think?
Title: Re: Long Range 270
Post by: Biggerhammer on July 06, 2012, 11:05:57 PM
What weight class are you looking at? Sporter, varmint, heavy? You can't go wrong with Benchmark, I sent them a rifle and a action to rebarrel 6 weeks ago and they should be on my door step any day. chris told me they were finishing them up yesterday. Give Chris a call at Benchmark, he can walk you through it. They are a dealer for Matrix. The Matrix 190 VLD's shot really well out of my 9 twist 7mm WSM. The heavier .277 would be a excellent bullet especially if you had a wildcat chambering with ample case capacity behind it.
Title: Re: Long Range 270
Post by: snowshoes22 on July 06, 2012, 11:15:07 PM
14# max.  9-12 would be best.  i'm just getting into long range shooting and really want a 270.  I'm shooting a model 12 LRP 6.5 creedmoor right now and love it.  I'm thinking just a 270 win i don't need super fast.  My action is a small shank so i don't know if i could go wsm.  there is nothing wrong with the model 12 but i just thought it would be fun to put something together myself.  I have always been a 270 fan. 
Title: Re: Long Range 270
Post by: Biggerhammer on July 07, 2012, 03:26:19 AM
Yorketransport might chime in here or you could try sending him a PM. From what I gather, he is up to speed when it comes to custom work and chamberings on the Savage actions. He also runs some Benchmark barrels.

Also check out Sharp Shooter Supply, they are known far and wide as the Savage Guru's. With pre fit barrels and such, that you can fit, space and I install yourself. Saving you some gunsmith fee's. They also have a large selection of Savage kit for your rifle.

www.sharpshootersupply.com/ (http://www.sharpshootersupply.com/)
Title: Re: Long Range 270
Post by: AWS on July 07, 2012, 07:51:50 AM
SSS has some very nice triggers.  Personally I would pick something other than a 270, just for the target bullet availability.  I'd look at a 6.5-06 or 280 just for the bullets.  It's no fun to build a rifle for one bullet and then find it doesn't work and you have no other options.

You might want to join over at the Savage Shooters Forum, lots of good info available there on savage builds.

(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi6.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fy222%2FBrowndaug%2FEggshootgun008.jpg&hash=bddd14b2c88acf99725a9e31fccf960b199676de)

 

My savage target rig(Egg shoots and varmints)  Reconfigured factory 22-250 barrel, SSS Competition trigger, Weaver KT-15 scope, reworked factory stock.
Title: Re: Long Range 270
Post by: snowshoes22 on July 07, 2012, 10:37:51 AM
Thanks for the advise.  I know there are better long range calibers as far as bullet selection but i just want a 270.  I want to see the weird looks when people ask what i'm shooting.  I guess i already get them with the creedmoor.  Its surprising how many people have never heard of it. 
Title: Re: Long Range 270
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on July 07, 2012, 02:19:20 PM
I have shot a .270 all my life and I have killed some game at long long distances for years but with my experience I shoot nothen BUT a 140 gr hornaday out of my guns ... Yeah I killed a few deer with  130 grain bullets growing up but once I switched to the 140 gr ..I will never shoot 130 gr again ....I like to eat what I shoot and hornaday has never ever failed me yet ...Not bragging but 18 bear with a .270 and maybe had to shoot 2 twice ... and I put it dead center of every bears shoulder .....
Title: Re: Long Range 270
Post by: snowshoes22 on July 07, 2012, 02:49:30 PM
I want to build this gun around heavy for caliber bullets for the higher b.c. I'm not really a long range hunter but it is something i might try. I shoot 1 to 2 days a week from 100 to 850 yards on the family farm. this gun will be mostly for steel and paper.   
Title: Re: Long Range 270
Post by: wraithen on July 07, 2012, 02:56:19 PM
You asked this question and said you will be buying things piecemeal. Ok, I get it, but to really get into this for advice, we gotta know what your budget actually is. You could end up spending 5-600 or 2-3k depending on how crazy you wanna go. First thing for accuracy out of that gun though is gonna be barrel. I know you said trigger but you can pick those up relatively cheap compared to the barrel and stock. Check out the duromaxx stock. I've heard a ton of great things about them, they are inexpensive, and they are lighter than the higher end ones they copied. For the barrel... This is where you can spend 150, or 1k depending on what you're looking for. Where the heck is yorke? He's the one that got me started on this.
Title: Re: Long Range 270
Post by: snowshoes22 on July 07, 2012, 03:06:13 PM
I want the build to top out around $1000 so i can put another 1000 toward glass.  i might be selling 3 rifles and some sand rail parts and frames to fund the project. 
Title: Re: Long Range 270
Post by: wraithen on July 07, 2012, 03:23:40 PM
duromax stock, pick a trigger,... how accurate is your rifle now? I know criterion barrels are making quite the noise in savage shooters right now.
Title: Re: Long Range 270
Post by: snowshoes22 on July 07, 2012, 03:37:48 PM
it's a 7 mag right now with a pencil barrel. it outshoots almost every gun a have.  i can get clover leaf groups at 100 yards and 1.5 inch groups at 200 with 162 grain hornady interlocks. 
Title: Re: Long Range 270
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on July 07, 2012, 03:43:09 PM
it's a 7 mag right now with a pencil barrel. it outshoots almost every gun a have.  i can get clover leaf groups at 100 yards and 1.5 inch groups at 200 with 162 grain hornady interlocks.
   :tup: :tup: Is that an interlock in your profile picture ..... if it is , this is why I like hornaday ....They hold up and drop sheet ... ;)
Title: Re: Long Range 270
Post by: wraithen on July 07, 2012, 04:58:24 PM
Ok, didn't realize you were changing the entire round. I can't remember if you have to change the boltface for that one, but other than that, shop around for barrels. Yorke says he finds pretty crazy deals sometimes. Unfortunately I believe seattleguns.net is about to charge for membership. If I were to pay, I'd pay to be in savageshooters. It's cheaper per year and it makes more sense, especially if you're tweaking savages. If you have any other questions just ask them. I'm getting to the edge of my knowledge base though  :chuckle: I really want to do a semi-custom savage in 7mm rem mag myself.
Title: Re: Long Range 270
Post by: iusmc2002 on July 07, 2012, 05:22:24 PM
You'll have to check your bolt head before you go changing calibers!  I am trying to built a 338-06 off a 7mm Rem Mag and the only bolt head they sell now is the new style.  The new style doesn't have the U-shaped indentation on the "stem" of the bolt head.  That indentation fits a notch in the bolt body.  The one I purchased, I'm going to try and get highcountry to machine out for me, since I can't seem to find another old style.  Also, the firing pin sizes have changed and the current pins are thinner than the old ones, which is another thing I'll have to have worked on.  You could purchase a whole new bolt through MidwayUSA, or talk to SSS (if you can get ahold of them) about what they think.  I purchased a Douglas barrel from them and it took almost 20 weeks just to get the barrel to my house.  Got lots of excuses from them and they refused to give me a tracking number when they swore it finally shipped.  2 days after we threatened to file a fraud report with Visa, the barrel showed up with a "2 Day shipping" sticker on it.......

Good luck though, I love my Savage .270 so I hope you enjoy yours too!
Title: Re: Long Range 270
Post by: Nape.257 on July 07, 2012, 07:10:46 PM
It sounds like you have done enough shooting and research that you know what you want.

Trigger - SSS or Target Accutrigger

Barrel - Benchmark,Pacnor,Brux (SinArm's will build what ever you want)

Stock - stockade stocks

A link to the savage I built.
http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php?topic=87540.msg1097720#msg1097720 (http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php?topic=87540.msg1097720#msg1097720)


One other thing order the barrel first it will take the longest to get.
Title: Re: Long Range 270
Post by: yorketransport on July 07, 2012, 09:02:42 PM
 I love spending other peoples' money! :chuckle:

For the caliber the easy answer is the 270 WSM. It can be done on a small shank. That's what Savage originally built them on. On your long action you could seat the bullets way out there to gain a little capacity and just have the chamber cut with a long throat to match.

Now if you want to have some real fun, why not try necking down the 375 Ruger case to 270? It would be a real screamer! Set the case up to use the same shoulder angle as the WSM cases so that you could use WSM dies to neck size the brass. Then you wouldn't need to have custom dies or a die reamer made. The Ruger case feeds perfectly from a belted magnum magazine, which is not the case with the WSMs. They require a little bit of work to the feed lips.

For triggers, just get a Rifle Basix and be happy! :tup:

Barrels are the hardest to pick. I would go either PacNor or Benchmark. PacNor has been around and is a proven performer. The PacNors I've seen in the last couple of years have been better than ever. The only PacNor I have left is a 300 WSM which is a .3 MOA barrel out as far as I've shot it. It's one of my only barrels which I refuse to part with. I have a love, hate relationship with Benchmark. Their barrels are some of the best I've ever seen, at any cost. I have had some issues with delivery times and communication problems. My experiences seem to be uncommon though. After trying somebody different for my most recent project, I can confidently say that I will go back to using Benchmark.  I have used Sharp Shooter Supply, but trying to get ahold of them can be a full time job and they struggle more than most with meeting delivery times. Top notch products coming from them though.  Sin Arms has been my most recent custom barrel experience. My finished project was shipped out on Friday and should be here next week. I ordered the barrel in May of 2011. :rolleyes: I was given a 13 week time line to have a 30" Brux barrel and a set of reloading dies cut for a 375 RUM Improved with my reamers, which I provided, and have a muzzle brake installed and timed to the action, all of which I provided. It took 13 months. I cannot recommend Sin Arms based on this alone. I can't comment on the quality of his work at this point but I'll certainly post some results when I get it all put together.

For stocks it will depend on what style you like. For a hunting style stock the B&C Durramax is hard to beat they're inexpensive and really solid performers. I like a more vertical grip in my long range stock but your options are a little more limited with the long action. Places like Stockade, Manner, XLR, McRee, and PDC can make anything you want. It just takes time and money. There are a couple of nice laminate stock out there if those interest you. Check out Stocky's Gun Stocks for some options.

Good luck with the build. The planning is the best part for me. I don't have time to shoot the guns once their built, but I always have time to plan another project. In fact I'm thinking about doing a 270-375 Ruger now. This is all your fault!  :bash: :chuckle:

Andrew
Title: Re: Long Range 270
Post by: snowshoes22 on July 07, 2012, 11:57:52 PM
270-375 ruger, sounds very interesting.  I love to reload but have never done any wildcat stuff.  It is something i would like to know more about.  I thought about just leaving the rifle a 7 mag with a heavier barrel and shooting 168 VLD's but that is boring compared to the alternative. 

Can a accutrigger fit on a pre accutrigger action? I love the target accutrigger on my model 12 LRP.
Title: Re: Long Range 270
Post by: yorketransport on July 08, 2012, 09:01:26 AM

Can a accutrigger fit on a pre accutrigger action? I love the target accutrigger on my model 12 LRP.

You can make them fit, but you may need to do a little fitting. If I were going to replace the trigger, I'd just get an aftermarket one. You'd be surprised how good you can make the trigger you currently have on there. With a little time and tinkering it can be pretty darn good.

I'll play around with the some numbers on the 270-375 Ruger. It should be right there with the 270 STW. Think 130s in the 3500 fps range.

Andrew
Title: Re: Long Range 270
Post by: snowshoes22 on July 08, 2012, 10:56:39 AM
At those speeds what do you think barrel life would be?  I have heard the wsm family eat barrels up quick.  I'm looking for decent barrel life. Would the 375 be similaer to the wsm.   
Title: Re: Long Range 270
Post by: huntnphool on July 08, 2012, 12:48:29 PM
I'm building one right now in 7mm, went with a Hart barrel http://www.hartbarrels.com/ (http://www.hartbarrels.com/)
Title: Re: Long Range 270
Post by: yorketransport on July 08, 2012, 05:56:30 PM
At those speeds what do you think barrel life would be?  I have heard the wsm family eat barrels up quick.  I'm looking for decent barrel life. Would the 375 be similaer to the wsm.   

Realistically, I would think somewhere around 600 rounds in an untreated barrel. :chuckle: If you nitride the barrel I would expect nearly double that. The super overbore cases like the STW, Ultra Mag, Weatherby and others are all pretty hard on barrels. The smaller the bore diameter is relative to case capacity, the shorter your barrel life will be. You always chop 1-2" off of the barrel after 500 rounds and rechamber it. This would extend your overall barrel life by a few hundred by giving you a fresh throat to burn out. :chuckle:

Stop over thinking this and build the wildcat off the Ruger.  That way I can just rent your reamer instead of having my own made. :chuckle:

Andrew
Title: Re: Long Range 270
Post by: wraithen on July 08, 2012, 08:25:15 PM
I read a study not too long ago about cfe. Seems a lot of the whole fast bullets ruining barrels may have been linked to copper build up.
Title: Re: Long Range 270
Post by: JPhelps on July 08, 2012, 08:57:43 PM
Give Travis Redell a call at RBros Rifles - http://rbrosrifles.com/contact.php (http://rbrosrifles.com/contact.php)

He has been great to work with and his guns are tack drivers :tup:
Title: Re: Long Range 270
Post by: norsepeak on July 08, 2012, 09:06:20 PM
Call Kirby Allen at Allen precision.  I have one of his 270 Allen mags, shooting wildcat bullets at .740 B.C. runnin 3400 fps.  He used Lilja barrels and they shoot fantastic.  I ring 15" steel with it at 1200 yards.  He also build my wife an amazing 270 that weighs around 6 lbs with scope that is a total tack driver.  Kirby is a wealth of knowledge and is great with the Savage stuff, he can get you pointed in the right direction for sure.
Title: Re: Long Range 270
Post by: JPhelps on July 08, 2012, 09:13:02 PM
Ty, those Allen Mags cost more than $1000 :chuckle:  The ballistics are great though.  I think my next build will be a .338 allen mag :tup:
Title: Re: Long Range 270
Post by: wraithen on July 09, 2012, 01:16:48 AM
Give Travis Redell a call at RBros Rifles - http://rbrosrifles.com/contact.php (http://rbrosrifles.com/contact.php)

He has been great to work with and his guns are tack drivers :tup:
Rbros told me they would lower themselves with savages anymore. :chuckle:
Title: Re: Long Range 270
Post by: rbros on July 09, 2012, 03:47:18 PM
Not exactly what I said.  Nothing wrong with Savages,  I have limited our builds to Remington and customs mainly due to keeping specialized tooling to a minimum.  I got tired of having to buy or make tooling for every make of action.  Spent more time doing that than the actual builds.  There comes a point when some tough choices have to be made, this was one of them.  Being swamped is both a blessing and a curse.

Not sure Kirby does Savages any more either.  Pretty sure on our last visit, he said he was doing custom actions only now.  With the new Berger .270 bullet coming out, things could re-awken with the 270 calibers.  Already have a reamer designed off my 7mm Rogue necked down to 270. 
Title: Re: Long Range 270
Post by: huntnphool on July 09, 2012, 04:32:39 PM
Already have a reamer designed off my 7mm Rogue necked down to 270.
Can you explain your reasoning behind this? Just curious why someone would take a 7mm case and neck it down to a .277 bullet with less BC.

 I can see going with a .270 WSM and trying to design a rifle to shoot 1000 yards but a standard .270 necked down from a 7mm just seems counter productive to me, I don't see a benefit at all. :dunno:
Title: Re: Long Range 270
Post by: rbros on July 09, 2012, 04:37:51 PM
The new .270 berger in 170gr is supposed to have a BC around .7.  Although the 195 7mm has a higher bc, it might be to much weight for the smaller cases.  A 180 Berger 7mm is in the .650 range, and the 180 Hyrbid is right at .7.  That, and I have a couple of 270 fanatics that pushed to have it.  Myself, I would rather have the 7mm, but the 270 is a viable option as well.
Title: Re: Long Range 270
Post by: wraithen on July 09, 2012, 04:39:18 PM
Not exactly what I said.  Nothing wrong with Savages,  I have limited our builds to Remington and customs mainly due to keeping specialized tooling to a minimum.  I got tired of having to buy or make tooling for every make of action.  Spent more time doing that than the actual builds.  There comes a point when some tough choices have to be made, this was one of them.  Being swamped is both a blessing and a curse.

Not sure Kirby does Savages any more either.  Pretty sure on our last visit, he said he was doing custom actions only now.  With the new Berger .270 bullet coming out, things could re-awken with the 270 calibers.  Already have a reamer designed off my 7mm Rogue necked down to 270.

I was just ribbin ya! I figured the laughing face would convey that message.
Title: Re: Long Range 270
Post by: rbros on July 09, 2012, 04:42:09 PM
Figured so, with the laughing guy.  Didn't take it personally!
Title: Re: Long Range 270
Post by: huntnphool on July 09, 2012, 06:59:41 PM
The new .270 berger in 170gr is supposed to have a BC around .7.  Although the 195 7mm has a higher bc, it might be to much weight for the smaller cases.  A 180 Berger 7mm is in the .650 range, and the 180 Hyrbid is right at .7.  That, and I have a couple of 270 fanatics that pushed to have it.  Myself, I would rather have the 7mm, but the 270 is a viable option as well.
Thanks rbros :hello:
Title: Re: Long Range 270
Post by: snowshoes22 on July 09, 2012, 07:08:50 PM
It's cool to know that there are better bullets coming out.  Thanks for all the info guys.
Title: Re: Long Range 270
Post by: norsepeak on July 09, 2012, 07:24:43 PM
Ty, those Allen Mags cost more than $1000 :chuckle:  The ballistics are great though.  I think my next build will be a .338 allen mag :tup:
No J, I was just thinking he might be interested in talking with him, maybe get a barrel in the 270 Allen or something.  I love my Allen.  I'm using the necked down 300 RUM cases and it's a tack driver.
Title: Re: Long Range 270
Post by: calib on July 13, 2012, 07:31:32 PM
i dont know if anyone suggested it yet but a guy named lucas wrote a article about this very cartridge and bullet from a benchmark barrel on long range hunting go check it out
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