Post by: firehawk87 on July 08, 2012, 06:19:40 PM
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Post by: JPhelps on July 08, 2012, 07:39:54 PM
Thinking of trying the viper tricks but why fix it if it isn't broke? :dunno:
Post by: mallard79 on July 08, 2012, 07:52:59 PM
Post by: D-Rock425 on July 08, 2012, 08:26:50 PM
Post by: Button Nubbs on July 08, 2012, 08:28:49 PM
Post by: colockumelk on July 09, 2012, 06:55:01 AM
Post by: whack em on July 11, 2012, 06:03:56 AM
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Post by: Wildsau on July 11, 2012, 07:06:50 AM
The hardest thing, for me, now, is deciding on which one to get, for all-around. I will be hunting bear, elk, and deer and don't want to have a lot of different models in my arsenal. I like to get one and stick with it until it lets me down.
The Grizz2 looks to be the one, but I am afraid it might be an overkill for BT. The Magnum looks good, as well, and I am leaning that direction.
Decisions, decisions, decisions. :bash: :bash:
Post by: JPhelps on July 11, 2012, 07:16:19 AM
I would lean towards the standard or vipertrick. My reasoning is blade angle and the potential for deflection on quartering shots with the magnums (never had It happen just thinking of the physics).
There is no such thing as overkill when it comes to broadheads. :tup:
Post by: D-Rock425 on July 11, 2012, 07:23:24 AM
Post by: Johnb317 on July 11, 2012, 09:21:45 AM
Post by: bankwalker on July 11, 2012, 10:55:54 AM
Post by: JPhelps on July 11, 2012, 11:14:32 AM
A bull is standing quartering away at a 30 degree angle. The blades on the magnum are close to 35 degrees. The arrow enters the hide and the leading blade hits a rib square. That only leaves 25 degrees of angle between the blade edge being flat against the rib. Will the arrow penetrate or deflect?
This is the one thing that concerns me with wide cutting micro heads. Who knows it may deflect with a standard, it might not deflect with a magnum just food for thought. Broadside, either one will be lights out if hit in the right spot.
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on July 11, 2012, 11:28:01 AM
I am a huge slick trick fan but consider the following:Agree ...I could careless how big a hole I put in an animal...What is important to me is ARROW PLACEMENT AND SHARPNESS ...Those Little Wasp Boss broadheads leave a serious blood trail everytime :twocents:
A bull is standing quartering away at a 30 degree angle. The blades on the magnum are close to 35 degrees. The arrow enters the hide and the leading blade hits a rib square. That only leaves 25 degrees of angle between the blade edge being flat against the rib. Will the arrow penetrate or deflect?
This is the one thing that concerns me with wide cutting micro heads. Who knows it may deflect with a standard, it might not deflect with a magnum just food for thought. Broadside, either one will be lights out if hit in the right spot.
Post by: BULLBLASTER on July 11, 2012, 11:36:20 AM
Just giving you hell man!
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on July 11, 2012, 11:54:47 AM
Post by: BULLBLASTER on July 11, 2012, 12:28:53 PM
Post by: DoubleJ on July 11, 2012, 12:49:41 PM
Post by: micdude on July 11, 2012, 03:43:01 PM
No .... My point is this ....If you never tried them then there is no need to bad mouth them ....Why Wasp has never taken off like other companies is beyond me ... I have shot wasp since I was a youngster.... They are so deadly I have to try and help them out .....Muzzy sucks compared to wasp and pretty much copied their design ....I let my kid shoot muzzy a couple times and everytime the blades fall out or break ... Not happening with Wasp .... toughest steel blades known to man .....I wish someone would just go buy some ( 100 gr Wasp BOSS ) and kill something with them besides me ...and please aim dead center on the shoulder and watch some sheet happen :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: Not that I highly recommend shoulder shots with a bow but the few I have shot there were dead in seconds and complete pass threws .... The low profile blades and sharpness and the chiseled tip is no match for any big game animal the way I see it .... :twocents: I am just sharing what I learned while bowhunting 32 yrs ... thats all ... nothen ment and lots of good broadheads out there ...just practice and shoot straight :chuckle: :chuckle: 8)
Never used those Wasp Boss broadheads they do look cool, But I love my standard Slick Tricks they do the job and fly true.... :tup:
Post by: Gobble Gobble on July 11, 2012, 03:55:13 PM
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on July 11, 2012, 03:57:57 PM
Post by: JLS on July 11, 2012, 03:59:43 PM
I've become a wimp and have to shoot a lower poundage bow and thus, need a cut on contact head. Anyone try the Razor Trick?
Look at the new Vipertrick.
Post by: D-Rock425 on July 11, 2012, 04:09:13 PM
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on July 11, 2012, 04:13:48 PM
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on July 11, 2012, 04:16:39 PM
Post by: D-Rock425 on July 11, 2012, 04:49:59 PM
have you guys shot those slick Tricks threw a sheet of 3/4 inch plywood ? or a cinder block ! that will tell ya how tough they are ....looks like i got something to do tonight.
Post by: DoubleJ on July 11, 2012, 04:53:06 PM
have you guys shot those slick Tricks threw a sheet of 3/4 inch plywood ? or a cinder block ! that will tell ya how tough they are ....
How do those taste?
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on July 11, 2012, 05:41:49 PM
Post by: D-Rock425 on July 11, 2012, 06:03:59 PM
Yummy ....kind of a spendy test .... I find it works better with aluminum arrows ... they do not blow apart like a carbon :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:its all in good fun right.
Post by: hughjorgan on July 11, 2012, 06:30:37 PM
I've become a wimp and have to shoot a lower poundage bow and thus, need a cut on contact head. Anyone try the Razor Trick?
The razors shoot darts and will give great penetration. My dad shot a cow with his 60 pound bow with a 27" draw with one last September. Wasn't a perfect shot but gave us a great blood trail and penetrated both sides of the cow. We are also shooting 125 grain razors. Great head IMO. Really sharp blades.
Post by: colockumelk on July 11, 2012, 06:36:19 PM
have you guys shot those slick Tricks threw a sheet of 3/4 inch plywood ? or a cinder block ! that will tell ya how tough they are ....No but this guy did.
Slick Trick Torture Test 4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gkf3VSgvGg0#)
Post by: bankwalker on July 11, 2012, 06:45:56 PM
The head was perfect, the blades......not so much :chuckle:
Post by: colockumelk on July 11, 2012, 07:04:27 PM
Broadhead test (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZRzBYuBIc4#)
Microwave
Microwave BH Testing (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8T6HlJXqG0#)
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on July 11, 2012, 07:18:24 PM
Colockum ....bowhunter not buying this sheet :dunno: :chuckle: I want to see him shoot it .....not notch out a cinder block and wedge the broadhead into it :dunno: :o when I get time I will set up my camera and show you what a wasp will do .......in detail :dunno: :chuckle: :chuckle: :tup:have you guys shot those slick Tricks threw a sheet of 3/4 inch plywood ? or a cinder block ! that will tell ya how tough they are ....No but this guy did.
Slick Trick Torture Test 4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gkf3VSgvGg0#)
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on July 11, 2012, 07:21:53 PM
Here's some plywooddo not need to show me how good a mechanical blade is ... I ALREADY KNOW ..... PEEEESES OF SHEEEEET ;) :chuckle:
Broadhead test (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZRzBYuBIc4#)
Microwave
Microwave BH Testing (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8T6HlJXqG0#)
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on July 11, 2012, 07:29:33 PM
Post by: JPhelps on July 11, 2012, 07:35:23 PM
I have never shot a WASP so I can't comment. I do have a question though, do they have an aluminum ferrule?
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on July 11, 2012, 08:51:51 PM
BH45 - It sounds like you need to shoot a slick trick :tup: They are tough!!!I believe the ferrule is hardened steel ...all I know is you can not break one .. :chuckle: and if you never tried them then I suggest now is the time :dunno: :chuckle: :chuckle: seriously man I would not lead you down the wrong road :tup: they are seriously deadly ... I just read the specs on Slick tricks and they seem to be o.k but I never used them so I do not know ...I shot wasp so long and they have always done me good so I can not change now ...
I have never shot a WASP so I can't comment. I do have a question though, do they have an aluminum ferrule?
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on July 11, 2012, 08:59:57 PM
BH45 - It sounds like you need to shoot a slick trick :tup: They are tough!!!Take a pair of pliers and screw a slick trick into an arrow ...tight as you can get it ... put on a pair of safety glasses and bend the blades and see if they snap off .... If they do then they are junk :chuckle: just saying ....If I had one I would try it ....I think we need to have a broadhead test of our own ...lets all get a cinder block and let the games begin ....better yet a 50 gal steel barrel would be better yet and filled with water .... :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
I have never shot a WASP so I can't comment. I do have a question though, do they have an aluminum ferrule?
Post by: JPhelps on July 11, 2012, 09:05:16 PM
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on July 11, 2012, 09:13:03 PM
Slick Tricks passed the steel drum test. Out of my Bowtech Guardian shooting a 510 grain arrow at 300 fps. It ended up in the center of the barrel unscathed. :tup: The tip got bent over slightly.Yeah I know ... if a broadhead holds up then it should do the job ....but many fall apart ...go to Wasp archery and read up on what I am saying .... :tup:
Post by: Button Nubbs on July 11, 2012, 09:23:19 PM
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Post by: Swannytheswan on July 11, 2012, 09:44:57 PM
Post by: Dr. Death on July 11, 2012, 09:52:47 PM
Post by: JPhelps on July 11, 2012, 10:13:12 PM
just to add some fuel to the fire, when did slick trick start making 3 blade heads? :stirthepot:
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That doesn't look like a slick trick head I have seen before. None of the ones I have seen have blades like that or a radiused ferrule.
http://www.slicktrick.net/ (http://www.slicktrick.net/)
Post by: Button Nubbs on July 11, 2012, 10:17:51 PM
Post by: colockumelk on July 12, 2012, 01:04:56 PM
Broadhead Test (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qc-srIw3na0#ws)
Post by: colockumelk on July 12, 2012, 01:28:25 PM
So after researching Wasp broadheads this is why I won't switch from Slick Tricks.
Slick Tricks have a larger cutting surface 2" compared to Boss 1.5"
Have a steal ferrule so its tougher.
Slick Tricks have thicker tougher blades .035" compared to Boss's .027".
The Slick Trick costs $5 a pack less than the Boss.
As far as penetration in one test the only head that out did the Slick Trick was the 150 grain German Kinetic Silver flame. But that costs $70 for 3.
I have seen videos where people shot Slick Tricks into a cinder block, steel plate, plywood, steer shoulders, steel drum and the head and ferrule were undamaged. Blades didnt break or bend. I shot 3 animals with the same head, busted through an elk shoulder and its ready to go again. I have not seen people do these things with other heads and have them survive as well.
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on July 12, 2012, 04:07:08 PM
BOWHNTR you told me to visit Wasps site so I visited their website. This is what I learned. They did not mention what the tip or ferrule is made of. This leads me to belive that the Wasp uses an aluminum ferrule otherwise they would brag about their ferrule being steal just like everyother company does that uses a steal ferrule. Wasp claims the Boss is a cut on contact head which it clearly is not. (What other false claims do they make) :dunno:Colockum ...never said you had to quit shooting the broadhead :dunno: just because a blade is thicker does not mean it is tougher ....take that slicktrick and use 2 pair of pliars and try to snap it into 2 pieces ..( put safety glasses on first :chuckle:) I am sure the ferrule on a wasp is steel ... not 100% sure but pretty sure ...as far as the tip goes it is TROCAR ... A CHISELED TIP WITH SHARP EDGES which means it is cutting on impact ..I have killed a few elk and they have all been pass threws ... straight threw the shoulders and all flopped over in front of my eyes ...I do not want to sound like mister know it all but last year I posted a sheet load of arrows I killed things with and all have flawless Wasp Broadheads on them ... I can kill more than one animal with the same arrow but I save all my kill shoots ...perfct arrow or not .. thats just my way of remembering the animals I have taken ... I will post my next move :chuckle: :chuckle: 8) AND SOMEONE please send me a slick trick so I can test it with a wasp .... No I will not go buy one ... :dunno: :chuckle: :chuckle:
So after researching Wasp broadheads this is why I won't switch from Slick Tricks.
Slick Tricks have a larger cutting surface 2" compared to Boss 1.5"
Have a steal ferrule so its tougher.
Slick Tricks have thicker tougher blades .035" compared to Boss's .027".
The Slick Trick costs $5 a pack less than the Boss.
As far as penetration in one test the only head that out did the Slick Trick was the 150 grain German Kinetic Silver flame. But that costs $70 for 3.
I have seen videos where people shot Slick Tricks into a cinder block, steel plate, plywood, steer shoulders, steel drum and the head and ferrule were undamaged. Blades didnt break or bend. I shot 3 animals with the same head, busted through an elk shoulder and its ready to go again. I have not seen people do these things with other heads and have them survive as well.
Post by: whacker1 on July 12, 2012, 06:16:12 PM
check it out, but it is 28 pages long so far and growing. Some very cool information.
http://www.archerytalk.com/vb/showthread.php?t=1790525&highlight=Ulmer+Edge (http://www.archerytalk.com/vb/showthread.php?t=1790525&highlight=Ulmer+Edge)
Post by: colockumelk on July 12, 2012, 07:31:12 PM
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on July 12, 2012, 07:33:18 PM
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Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on July 12, 2012, 07:39:28 PM
Post by: Button Nubbs on July 12, 2012, 07:42:22 PM
should I stop or keep going :dunno: :chuckle: :chuckle: 8) Just saying :hello:
keep going!
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on July 12, 2012, 07:43:09 PM
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on July 12, 2012, 07:47:43 PM
I will get tired :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: I really love all you guys ;) I JUST LOVE MESSING AROUND So do not take me as an arz hole ... 20+ YRS OF SHOOTING WASP and never had a mishap that was not my own fault is why I have to brag on :dunno: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:should I stop or keep going :dunno: :chuckle: :chuckle: 8) Just saying :hello:
keep going!
Post by: Instinct on July 12, 2012, 08:31:39 PM
Post by: colockumelk on July 13, 2012, 05:06:57 AM
Post by: BULLBLASTER on July 13, 2012, 01:58:21 PM
...mostly wanted to take part in the thread takeover... :tung:
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on July 13, 2012, 02:27:48 PM
Hey bh45 my t locks go.through elk shoulder blades! ...so take that! :chuckle: this was a terminal t lock.Nice ....good job :dunno: :chuckle: :tup: :tup: looks like it done well ...nice spikey ... I hit that 6x7 in the exact same spot and dropped him in his tracks .....That wasp blowed threw the one shoulder and went forward into his neck ....dropped like a rock !!!!
...mostly wanted to take part in the thread takeover... :tung:
Post by: JPhelps on July 13, 2012, 02:31:10 PM
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on July 13, 2012, 02:37:53 PM
BH45 pretty sure broadheads aren't designed to drop animals in their tracks. :dunno: I don't think many people look for that result either.yeah I know but that bull did !!! LITERALLY :sry: :chuckle:
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on July 13, 2012, 02:40:39 PM
Post by: JPhelps on July 13, 2012, 02:40:47 PM
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on July 13, 2012, 03:05:34 PM
I know, I was just ribbin you, but you can't use that as an argument for Wasps (A new rule I just made up).O.K HERE IS A GOOD STORY FOR YOU :chuckle: :chuckle: One morning I woke up and it was pouring rain ...So I sat at home thinking should I go or stay home ...I decide to go .....One thing I have learned over the years is ELK will lay under the cedars when it is raining hard So I go to my little honey hole and hunker under one that I made into a ground blind ...I Lay my bow on the ground and decided I needed to have a chew ..So about 1/2 goes by and I can not hear sheet because it is raining to hard ...As I turn my head to my left I see horns coming threw the tree no more than 4 steps from me :yike: nothen I could do at this point except let him walk by me ... as he gets in front of me he stops and knows something is not right and turned and started walking straight away from me ...I slowly get my bow and now he is around 40 yrds and moving fast So I draw my bow and yelled HAY ... :dunno: ;) HE STOPS DEAD IN HIS TRACKS and looks at me at a sharp quatering shot ...I layed the 40 yrd pin dead center of the shoulder and let fly ..WHACK :yike: :yike: :yike: HE HITS THE DIRT LIKE I shot him in the head with my .270 ...kicks 3x or So and party over .... :drool: :chuckle: :chuckle: So I am so pumped and jumping all over the place ....it was cool ..So arrow was clean to the fletching and I tried pulling it out and it would not come out :dunno: so I unscrewed it from the shaft and when I got home I had to literally cut it out of his spine .....so threw one shoulder and into his neck ....Here it is and in all seriousness not many heads will take this much punchishment hitting bones numerous times with braking ....JUST LOOK AT IT ...If I have to prove anymore then I need a drink :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: Which I will have one anyways :yeah: :tup: :o
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on July 13, 2012, 03:08:41 PM
Post by: BULLBLASTER on July 13, 2012, 03:17:33 PM
check out the tip too ...did not do sheet to it ....tougher than sheet :chuckle: :chuckle:should have left it in the neck vertibrae and boiled it clean!
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on July 13, 2012, 03:18:39 PM
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on July 13, 2012, 03:20:32 PM
Post by: BULLBLASTER on July 13, 2012, 07:30:40 PM
Hey bh45 my t locks go.through elk shoulder blades! ...so take that! :chuckle: this was a terminal t lock.Nice ....good job :dunno: :chuckle: :tup: :tup: looks like it done well ...nice spikey ... I hit that 6x7 in the exact same spot and dropped him in his tracks .....That wasp blowed threw the one shoulder and went forward into his neck ....dropped like a rock !!!!
...mostly wanted to take part in the thread takeover... :tung:
the ferrule was perfect after recdovery. i just replaced the blades with shuttle T blades and back in teh quiver it went. something about a broadhead with blood from teh last kill in the quiver.
Post by: iRem on July 15, 2012, 07:28:28 PM
Yeah X2 that would be sweet!check out the tip too ...did not do sheet to it ....tougher than sheet :chuckle: :chuckle:should have left it in the neck vertibrae and boiled it clean!
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on July 16, 2012, 12:47:14 PM
Post by: colockumelk on July 16, 2012, 05:19:24 PM
Post by: Griz231 on August 07, 2012, 11:31:44 AM
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Post by: demontang on August 08, 2012, 08:44:30 AM
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on August 08, 2012, 09:12:17 AM
Post by: Johnb317 on August 08, 2012, 09:26:45 AM
Tests with elk or deer quarters would be a better test.... but then again isn't that what we do when we go hunting?
I shoot 100 gr ST magnums and every Elk I've shot had a nice size hole with a full pass through. (I like 4 blades)
Last year I did take a shoulder blade and shot through it just to see, and I had a clean pass through with no damage to the blade.
imho after a certain point there is little difference between some of these broadheads in a hunting situation. Just what what flies
best for your rig.
Post by: Button Nubbs on August 08, 2012, 09:38:53 AM
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Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on August 08, 2012, 09:47:04 AM
Post by: jaymark6655 on August 08, 2012, 10:30:56 AM
Last deer I shot it broke one rib on the entrance another rib on the other side and went through a shoulder blade. Tip was fine and blades where still straight, but edges where flattened, no longer sharp. Unfortunately was not a pass through and deer snapped shaft in half while trying to run with one leg pinned. Made tracking easy, looked like someone covered trail with blood from a fire hose. It only ran 50 yards anyway. If I had hit the heart, probably would have dropped right there.
On the AL shaft comment, I have hit rocks (accidently) with my carbon fibers and not had one shatter. :dunno: Did have one push a feild inside the shaft, so we cut it shorter and gave it to my cousin who has a shorter draw lenght.
Post by: demontang on August 08, 2012, 11:45:01 AM
Post by: whackmaster on August 08, 2012, 12:14:51 PM
The mathews slo-mo cam has nothin on bowtech!
:yeah:
Post by: Gobble Gobble on August 10, 2012, 04:34:43 PM
Here is what it comes down too ! We are all here to share each others experiences . Which we all are doing and thats what its all about ...We all have our favorite bow -broadheads and guns and cal. I just like keep :stirthepot: :brew:
I love my ST and thats that. To :jacked: for a moment :stirthepot: and probably :pee: in someones cheerios I think I will start another debate about fletchings vs FOB's for those that don't know what the FOB is... its probably the greatest invention to stick and string in the last 1000 years. FOB = Fletching Only Better check them out starrflight.com (http://starrflight.com) Did I mention I shoot FOBs and I LOVE THEM just like my SLICK TRICKS.
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on August 10, 2012, 04:59:42 PM
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on August 10, 2012, 05:17:11 PM
Gotta post some proof :chuckle: :chuckle: I checked out STARRFLIGHT .COM and I ( Personally ) need vanes on my arrows...THEY STUPID WITHOUT THEM .....Just saying :yike:
Post by: Jellymon on August 11, 2012, 07:33:09 AM
Slick Tricks passed the steel drum test. Out of my Bowtech Guardian shooting a 510 grain arrow at 300 fps. It ended up in the center of the barrel unscathed. :tup: The tip got bent over slightly.
What's your poundage and draw length? At 70lbs and 30" draw that bow should be around 265 fps with that arrow.
Post by: colockumelk on August 12, 2012, 06:15:34 AM
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on August 12, 2012, 06:47:48 AM
Post by: windygorge on August 12, 2012, 06:49:55 AM
You mean bow wreck
:chuckle:
Post by: windygorge on August 12, 2012, 06:58:01 AM
Here is what it comes down too ! We are all here to share each others experiences . Which we all are doing and thats what its all about ...We all have our favorite bow -broadheads and guns and cal. I just like keep :stirthepot: :brew:
I love my ST and thats that. To :jacked: for a moment :stirthepot: and probably :pee: in someones cheerios I think I will start another debate about fletchings vs FOB's for those that don't know what the FOB is... its probably the greatest invention to stick and string in the last 1000 years. FOB = Fletching Only Better check them out starrflight.com (http://starrflight.com) Did I mention I shoot FOBs and I LOVE THEM just like my SLICK TRICKS.
You must be used to jets flying over your head, cause thats what it sounds like when a FOB is shot. and another thing is NEVER EVER shoot 3D with someone who is shooting FOBs. they destroy any fletching they touch, whether you shoot first or last. and, they kept popping off his arrows. as i can appreciate the technology, they are not for me. just plain weird.
Post by: Gobble Gobble on August 13, 2012, 03:19:51 PM
FOBs really don't make much noise, you have a better chance of spooking game from a bow that doesn't have good vibration dampining than from a FOB. Taken 2 deer at 10 & 40 yrds both looking at me and neither moved till my ST punched bone. To use your "jets flying over your head" analogy, what sounds louder the jet flying towards you or away from you? Exactly, they wont here it coming till its to late.
As for 3D and destroying fletchings... its called a good grouping. Properly tune your bow, practice a bit more and one day when your all grow'd up you too can shoot as good as a FOB shooter :chuckle: :IBCOOL: JK
For the person who kept having his FOBs pop off while shooting 3D he must have some loose fitting nocks. I have never had an issue with them popping off. Infact the only time I have is when I have hit the back of another arrow and I broke the FOB (only down side is you cant group arrows unless you want to break a FOB or damage a shaft) and on a pass through of a deer but that's what they a supposed to do pop off to give you a point of impact mark..
Post by: windygorge on August 13, 2012, 06:16:57 PM
exactly my point, they are loud
"As for 3D and destroying fletchings... its called a good grouping. Properly tune your bow, practice a bit more and one day when your all grow'd up you too can shoot as good as a FOB shooter JK "
thats just plain funny :chuckle:
as for his fobs coming off, its because he was pulling them off my arrows that were already in the 12 ring :chuckle:
Post by: windygorge on August 13, 2012, 06:20:26 PM
"FOBs really don't make much noise, you have a better chance of spooking game from a bow that doesn't have good vibration dampining than from a FOB"
exactly my point, they are loud
"As for 3D and destroying fletchings... its called a good grouping. Properly tune your bow, practice a bit more and one day when your all grow'd up you too can shoot as good as a FOB shooter JK "
thats just plain funny :chuckle:
as for his fobs coming off, its because he was pulling them off my arrows that were already in the 12 ring :chuckle:
and what is starflight anyway. sounds like a certain type of bar that should be in an alley way of seattle or portland where only men frequent. :dunno:
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on August 13, 2012, 06:57:41 PM
Post by: Gobble Gobble on August 14, 2012, 11:15:00 AM
Ok, back on topic ST are good everything else is bad and FOBs are better than fletchings cuz I shoot them and say so :chuckle:
Post by: windygorge on August 14, 2012, 06:08:08 PM
Ahhh, what else can I say to :stirthepot: make someone :bash: without :beatdeadhorse: hmmmmm oh, POLITICS and the election. Saw a bumper sticker that said Jimmy Buffet for President. Made me think of a line from one of his songs " so why don't we get drunk and screw " my wife hates it when I sing that line to her. Jimmy you got my vote! :tup:
Ok, back on topic ST are good everything else is bad and FOBs are better than fletchings cuz I shoot them and say so :chuckle:
:chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: Mxracer532 on August 14, 2012, 08:33:08 PM
Post by: Mxracer532 on August 14, 2012, 08:48:43 PM
Slick Tricks passed the steel drum test. Out of my Bowtech Guardian shooting a 510 grain arrow at 300 fps. It ended up in the center of the barrel unscathed. :tup: The tip got bent over slightly.
What's your poundage and draw length? At 70lbs and 30" draw that bow should be around 265 fps with that arrow.
It better be a 100+lb'r cause if its not I call BS! I shoot one of the fastest bows on the market (2010 Strother SR71) and its ALOT faster than a Gaurdian. MY particular SR shoots an IBO arrow at 338fps @ 65lbs 29' Draw with a peep and loop. So at 70lbs (add 5fps) 343fps and 30' draw (add 10fps) 353fps with a peep and loop. NO GUARDIAN will match that. PERIOD! SO your 510 grn arrow at 300fps???? DUDE really????? Not to start anything but seriously you need to go shoot that through a diff chrono cause it is nowhere near accurate. :tup:
Post by: JPhelps on August 14, 2012, 10:10:55 PM
All I know is that my guardian maxed out at 73.8 lbs on a 31" draw length. All I was stating was the number that Lucky Shot's chrono read. Three shots (299,297,300). I really don't care if it is the right number or not. I'm pretty sure the last couple bulls I shot with this exact setup didn't really care if the arrow was really going 290 or 300 or what the IBO of my bow was. :tup:
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on August 14, 2012, 10:40:09 PM
Post by: windygorge on August 15, 2012, 05:22:25 AM
I have shot Deer and Elk with Muzzy's, Savora's, Thunderheads, Wac Ems and Slick Tricks. The 100gn Slick Trick Standards are whats in my quiver right now. Muzzys were probably the weakest of them all. .20 blades. Thunderheads had blades come out. Savoras were good when I was shooting maybe 265fps. WacEms are a good head also. I have a back bone I boiled from a deer I shot a few years ago at 70 yards (shooting up hill and hit in the spine) that has my Slick Trick still embedded in it. I also shot a cow elk 2 years ago that the first shot was back after the arrow nicked a branch, I tracked it for a few hrs before getting another shot (facing me straight on loosing daylight and pulling out that day) at 67 yards and I drilled her right between the eyes! Arrow penetrated about 4inches and she flopped over and was DEAD on impact. I have the broadhead and whats left of the arrow still. I really wanted to boil the skull and leave the broadhead and arrow in it but just didnt have the time. ST still looks great tho.
i bet a zillion dollars you shoot axis arrows. cause thats the only reason your blades fell out of the thunderhead. the hidden knock system is junk. yea yea, that system has killed animals, but so have wooden arrows with stone tips. if you like the axis, put regular inserts in them and stay away from the hidden knock. :twocents:
Post by: Jellymon on August 15, 2012, 03:20:58 PM
Post by: colockumelk on August 15, 2012, 04:04:45 PM
Post by: Johnb317 on August 15, 2012, 08:37:27 PM
Blood trail?
Post by: JPhelps on August 15, 2012, 08:53:09 PM
Post by: colockumelk on August 15, 2012, 08:53:39 PM
How far did the barrel go before it dropped? :chuckle:
Blood trail?
That's the only thing I don't like about the slick trick. When you shoot a steel barrel it doesn't drop at all. In fact it just stands there. And as far as a blood trail on that barrel there wasn't a drop. If it wasn't for tue fact the barrel just stood there I never would have found it. :chuckle:
Post by: Mxracer532 on August 16, 2012, 12:32:56 PM
I have shot Deer and Elk with Muzzy's, Savora's, Thunderheads, Wac Ems and Slick Tricks. The 100gn Slick Trick Standards are whats in my quiver right now. Muzzys were probably the weakest of them all. .20 blades. Thunderheads had blades come out. Savoras were good when I was shooting maybe 265fps. WacEms are a good head also. I have a back bone I boiled from a deer I shot a few years ago at 70 yards (shooting up hill and hit in the spine) that has my Slick Trick still embedded in it. I also shot a cow elk 2 years ago that the first shot was back after the arrow nicked a branch, I tracked it for a few hrs before getting another shot (facing me straight on loosing daylight and pulling out that day) at 67 yards and I drilled her right between the eyes! Arrow penetrated about 4inches and she flopped over and was DEAD on impact. I have the broadhead and whats left of the arrow still. I really wanted to boil the skull and leave the broadhead and arrow in it but just didnt have the time. ST still looks great tho.
i bet a zillion dollars you shoot axis arrows. cause thats the only reason your blades fell out of the thunderhead. the hidden knock system is junk. yea yea, that system has killed animals, but so have wooden arrows with stone tips. if you like the axis, put regular inserts in them and stay away from the hidden knock. :twocents:
Nope, I was shooting Gold Tips at the time.
Post by: windygorge on August 16, 2012, 06:45:37 PM
Post by: Alan K on August 16, 2012, 08:00:19 PM
Well placed shot, nothing to worry about with pretty much any broad head out there. :twocents:
Post by: Battle Ready on August 20, 2012, 11:36:19 AM
Post by: colockumelk on August 20, 2012, 03:37:04 PM
So when are they going to make ZOMBIE broadheads? There are Zobie rounds, targets ect...lol
They already do. Havnt you watched the Rambo movies? :chuckle: