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Other Hunting => Bird Dogs => Topic started by: ghosthunter on July 12, 2012, 09:45:59 PM
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Well as you know in my other post I lost my wonderful lab Tess to old age (131/2) this past weekend. I have thought it over and with a nod from the wife have decided I have one more pup to train left in me.
So the search is on for a pup. I live in Mount Vernon so I have this area covered. I perfer to get a dog from outside my area just to be different.
So here's my requirements.
Yellow Lab
Female 7 weeks old
English line
As light in color as I can get . The whiter the better.
Must come with AKC cert. Limited.
Prefer parents I can look at and that at least one hunts.
Want to be able to pick my own pup out of females available.
Want to be able to name dog myself including registered name.
Just for giggles lets say under $800.00 though not firm.
I am not intrested in breeding or having puppies.
I am not interested in jumping through hoops of what and where the dog will be when I am not home. I am a responsible dog owner who takes excellent care of my dog. And I have a 13 year vet reference to back it up.
I will mainly be hunting waterfowl some pheasant.
Hunt tests and 5 or 10 series events once in a while to stay tuned up.
So put the word out. Any directions you can push me towards a breeder would be great.
I am in no hurry as I am redoing my kennel and building a new dog condo.
I have no time frame.
If you know some one feel free to pass along my email ghost.hunter.1@hotmail.com
Thanks
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The whiter the better................................... I've got an all white english setter male,FC sired by a huntin dawg,and his mother is a FT winner and a hunter meets a bunch of the criteria! :chuckle:
Seriously good luck in the search!
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Per your specs but double your price: http://www.silverbulletlabs.com/ (http://www.silverbulletlabs.com/)
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Per your specs but double your price: http://www.silverbulletlabs.com/ (http://www.silverbulletlabs.com/)
Yes they look very good but yikes they are pricey. However if you take the cost of a good pup and divide it out by 13 years , the monthly cost for the enjoyment you get isnt bad. But for now I am looking in the $800. range. Although my wife and I have not ruled it out.
Last night in Mount Vernon I saw a young lady with two pure white big male labs. They were bookends on a baby stroller. I pulled over ran across the street to talk to her, I think she was going for the pepper spray before she realizedd I was a obsessed lab guy. Those dogs came out of a farm in Tacoma called Canyon Meadows. They two have a $1500.00 price tag.
So the search is still on and I really apreciate anyones help. Willing to go to Idaho or Oregon. I am not sure that I am willing to buy one cross country sight unseen and ship it to me. Some guys do it but I am more hands on.
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There may be one at Wind River Labs (http://www.windriverlabs.com/wind_river_websi_000003.htm) for you. Looks like they want $850 for a pup.
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Im always there pointing to Doug out at Cooke Canyon great labs.
or
http://lorislabradors.com/ (http://lorislabradors.com/)
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Per your specs but double your price: http://www.silverbulletlabs.com/ (http://www.silverbulletlabs.com/)
Yes they look very good but yikes they are pricey. However if you take the cost of a good pup and divide it out by 13 years , the monthly cost for the enjoyment you get isnt bad. But for now I am looking in the $800. range. Although my wife and I have not ruled it out.
Last night in Mount Vernon I saw a young lady with two pure white big male labs. They were bookends on a baby stroller. I pulled over ran across the street to talk to her, I think she was going for the pepper spray before she realizedd I was a obsessed lab guy. Those dogs came out of a farm in Tacoma called Canyon Meadows. They two have a $1500.00 price tag.
So the search is still on and I really apreciate anyones help. Willing to go to Idaho or Oregon. I am not sure that I am willing to buy one cross country sight unseen and ship it to me. Some guys do it but I am more hands on.
Six years ago I purchased two Labs that are exactly what you are looking for and they cost me 1,200 a pop. Great looking dogs. Good luck finding one in that price range. It's probably possible but I didn't find one.
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Check out Ryan Fortier. He has a pairing of labs coming up and the Dam looks just like the one you want.
http://www.longhollowretrievers.com/puppies.htm (http://www.longhollowretrievers.com/puppies.htm)
Ryan is a great trainer dog trainer too.
Also, I'd suggest you PM "HappyGilmore" on this site. Paul is networked with a lot of trainers and field trial events.
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I know of a nice litter of yellows on the ground. Sire is a Qulified All Age Master Hunter from pointing lines and the Dam is either a Junior Hunter or Senior Hunter. You can call me for info 509-961-5576.
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I know of a nice litter of yellows on the ground. Sire is a Qulified All Age Master Hunter from pointing lines and the Dam is either a Junior Hunter or Senior Hunter. You can call me for info 509-961-5576.
thanks I will give you a call Sat. afternoon.
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Check out Ryan Fortier. He has a pairing of labs coming up and the Dam looks just like the one you want.
http://www.longhollowretrievers.com/puppies.htm (http://www.longhollowretrievers.com/puppies.htm)
Ryan is a great trainer dog trainer too.
Also, I'd suggest you PM "HappyGilmore" on this site. Paul is networked with a lot of trainers and field trial events.
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Thank you I went to the site and may give them a call. It did not look like they had any yellows in the oven yet. And I dont think any of the dogs had the english line. But I will check it out further. Thank you so much. The dogs all looked go but not as blocky as I would like.
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Still on the hunt.
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Give Cindy and Bryant a call at http://www.rockingmlabs.com/ (http://www.rockingmlabs.com/)
They are good people with good dogs :tup:
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Ryan at long hollow is a great trainer and runs a good program... If he could train my Chessie he can do great things! :chuckle:
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Ryan at long hollow is a great trainer and runs a good program... If he could train my Chessie he can do great things! :chuckle:
I have a long hollow dog and couldn't be happier. great house dog, great hunter, and easy to train. my pup will not stop looking for a downed bird until he is called off. definitely a better dog than I am a trainer.
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you may try mallard lake kennels in granit falls . i love my lil rubydoo great temper and nose . :tup:
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Give Cindy and Bryant a call at http://www.rockingmlabs.com/ (http://www.rockingmlabs.com/)
They are good people with good dogs :tup:
You know now that you mention it, I remember Cindy Meyer back when I was running Hunt Tests , she was always around helping.
But not sure they have english lines.
I will fire them off a email. Sometime.
Thanks
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Per your specs but double your price: http://www.silverbulletlabs.com/ (http://www.silverbulletlabs.com/)
Yes they look very good but yikes they are pricey. However if you take the cost of a good pup and divide it out by 13 years , the monthly cost for the enjoyment you get isnt bad. But for now I am looking in the $800. range. Although my wife and I have not ruled it out.
Last night in Mount Vernon I saw a young lady with two pure white big male labs. They were bookends on a baby stroller. I pulled over ran across the street to talk to her, I think she was going for the pepper spray before she realizedd I was a obsessed lab guy. Those dogs came out of a farm in Tacoma called Canyon Meadows. They two have a $1500.00 price tag.
So the search is still on and I really apreciate anyones help. Willing to go to Idaho or Oregon. I am not sure that I am willing to buy one cross country sight unseen and ship it to me. Some guys do it but I am more hands on.
Six years ago I purchased two Labs that are exactly what you are looking for and they cost me 1,200 a pop. Great looking dogs. Good luck finding one in that price range. It's probably possible but I didn't find one.
You very well may be right and I am prepared to fudge for the right dog. I just needed a starting point.
Thank you for the help.
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Check out the list of litters from the Puget Sound Labrador Retriever Association (http://www.pslra.org/referral.html):
Link (http://www.pslra.org/pdf/litterlisting.pdf)
Thanks I was going down that list last night and emailed a couple.
It really takes a lot of work finding a pup. And than the the part I really hate are some of the puppy contracts are very intrusive into your private life. Some I just find offensive and would not deal with the breeder.
Really I understand folks wanting to make sure the dog is going to a proper home. But having to detail where a dog will be under every instance of every day is over kill.
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It really takes a lot of work finding a pup. And than the the part I really hate are some of the puppy contracts are very intrusive into your private life. Some I just find offensive and would not deal with the breeder.
Really I understand folks wanting to make sure the dog is going to a proper home. But having to detail where a dog will be under every instance of every day is over kill.
It can be a lot of work searching for just the right pup. I spent two years looking for a Chocolate Lab with the pedigree I wanted. Granted I took my time and was in no hurry. I think looking for the right dog is part of the fun. I know what you're saying about the intrusive nature of some of the breeders and their puppy contracts. I ran into that too. In the end I found, for me, the perfect pup. I hope to have him some time in November. Good luck with your search.
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Found one for 800 in the little nickle online from a akc breeder,light color and block headed, but don't know much else without contacting them. http://kennel.weebly.com/ (http://kennel.weebly.com/)
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Your link is in greek.................
Found one for 800 in the little nickle online from a akc breeder,light color and block headed, but don't know much else without contacting them. http://kennel.weebly.com/ (http://kennel.weebly.com/)
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weird :o a quick search lab 800 and it should come up.
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It really takes a lot of work finding a pup. And than the the part I really hate are some of the puppy contracts are very intrusive into your private life. Some I just find offensive and would not deal with the breeder.
Really I understand folks wanting to make sure the dog is going to a proper home. But having to detail where a dog will be under every instance of every day is over kill.
It can be a lot of work searching for just the right pup. I spent two years looking for a Chocolate Lab with the pedigree I wanted. Granted I took my time and was in no hurry. I think looking for the right dog is part of the fun. I know what you're saying about the intrusive nature of some of the breeders and their puppy contracts. I ran into that too. In the end I found, for me, the perfect pup. I hope to have him some time in November. Good luck with your search.
Right that. My first dog took me about 6 months to find . I spent the time reading retriever training books because it was my first. And everyone remembers their first time. I have about 25 training books plus a 20 year collection of hunting mags. I use to take a pile of mags and gleen through for anything about retrievers. My first dog was off the chart s for anyone knowing the breeder. The male and female had the look I wanted,the male hunted but he would have been kicked out of any dog show. He was tall but stout and had a head like a water melon. When I went to look at the pups he greeted me in the drive way and I was a little intimidated by his size and look. But than the lab tail kicked in. He would have went home with me.
In the end I got a dog that was perfect for me. I like picking one in the middle of the litter. I must have done something right because at Hunt Tests I would often be approached by people who wanted to breed. She just had a look.
As I look at sites with breeding dogs I can find lots of males that have the look but not that many females? I tried to remember the dam of my first dog. But do not remember her looks that well.
I look at pedigree in two areas, certifications and a English line. I can turn the dog into a retriever good enough for me if I have those two things. After all if you a lucky guy you will get 60 days of hunting a year. The rest of the time you have to look at them. So they better have the look.
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Anyone know anything about Cougar Canyon Labs?
I've looked at their site,anyone here got a dog from them?
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We got ours from River Valley http://www.rivervalleybritishlabs.com/. (http://www.rivervalleybritishlabs.com/.) They were very helpful and great people. Not sure if the color is what you want but has a lot of knowledge. We love ours and she is doing great so far. Call and ask for Tom.
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I am sending a deposit to Cougar Mountain for litter that will arrive next week.
If there is not a pup in that litter I want, I will wait for the next.
Thanks all for your help.
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Bad news. The litter I had deposit on was small and all black.
So the hunt is back on for the following,
YLF
Light or white in color
English lines
Blocky and tall as possible parents.
Reasonable Puppy Contract
I name my own pup
I pick my own pup
7-8 weeks at time of pick up.
One both parents hunt if possible or one generation back.
AKC REg. Limited Papers
I have no intrest in breeding pup will be spayed.
Feel free to share my info
ghost.hunter.1@hotmail.com
360-661-6704
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Anyone ever own or know someone with a Desert Wind Lab????
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Anyone ever own or know someone with a Desert Wind Lab????
I don't see anything on the website I recognize. Including any health clearances. They appear to have 4 litters on the ground at the same time which raises a negative eye. "Most" folks who are responsible breeders are proud to advertise the health clearances for hips, elbows, eyes, EIC and CNM. I wouldn't pay more than $250 for a pup from parents without GOOD results of each of those tests.
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The other thing that bothers me. Look at the dog photos under Girls & Boys.
What do you see that sticks out.
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Yeah, I noticed it looks like they live on chains tied out to trees and apple boxes...
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Ad for the day
AKC YELLOW & BLACK LABS
STRONG HUNTERS
BOTH PARENTS ON SITE
550.00
My questions:
Have the parents been hunted?
A> Oh yes we turn them out in the yard every day and they chase rabbits and song birds. :yike: :yike: :yike: :yike:
Are they papered?
A> No there is too much fraud in the AKC so we stopped doing that.
Are the dew claws removed?
A> No we have never had any problem with dew claws in the back yard.
Any health certs?
A> No the vets charge to much for that.
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Yeah, I noticed it looks like they live on chains tied out to trees and apple boxes...
Missed that , something else.
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All their tails are up.
My lab never lifted her tail above her spine.
I do not think that is natural. But i am not a breeder.
I can not hunt behind a dog and look at its hole all day.
Just me.
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All their tails are up.
My lab never lifted her tail above her spine.
I do not think that is natural. But i am not a breeder.
I can not hunt behind a dog and look at its hole all day.
Just me.
No, nothing wrong with a happy tail....gay tails disqualify them(curled)
Nice add though....$550 with zero clearances, declaws not removed and probably not even with all their shots up to 8 weeks.....idiots.. You charge people that kind of money because you ARE spending part of that cost on dewclaw removal and vet visits....
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Talked to several breeders today. No pups,no pups, no pups, one pup not light enough, Excellent pup 7 months old.
Still searching
Finished my kennel up grade today. Still need to build New box.
Picked up a used crate for in the house.
More reading
Picked a name
Start upgrading bumpers and check cords, and other gear.
Keeping busy.
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The colof of the paint job should be the least of your worries IMO.I'd take a pink pup with purple markings out of a breeding of two stemwinders that hunt hard,have zero quit,were easily trained themselves and biddible, over one with the perfect shade of whatever color your heart desires.Old dogs go,it's impossible to replace them in appearance and color,try as you might your only going to get close..................... maybe.The best chance for finding exactly what you had is to hope that the breeder still has offspring of the original pair in the breeding program.
Talked to several breeders today. No pups,no pups, no pups, one pup not light enough, Excellent pup 7 months old.
Still searching
Finished my kennel up grade today. Still need to build New box.
Picked up a used crate for in the house.
More reading
Picked a name
Start upgrading bumpers and check cords, and other gear.
Keeping busy.
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Good luck man. I know I looked forever for a pup. I just wanted a pet so after getting really nervous thinking about spending over 2k for a pup (that includes military discount,) I was put in contact with a breeder that wanted to get rid of a sweet 4 yr old that fit the bill almost exactly. (She was 3 3/4 years older than I was searching for at the time.) She turned out to be a perfect sweetheart. I know how bad it sucks when you're finally ready. Research and see pups everywhere! Decide to buy and it's a puppy desert for what you want. :sry:
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The colof of the paint job should be the least of your worries IMO.I'd take a pink pup with purple markings out of a breeding of two stemwinders that hunt hard,have zero quit,were easily trained themselves and biddible, over one with the perfect shade of whatever color your heart desires.Old dogs go,it's impossible to replace them in appearance and color,try as you might your only going to get close..................... maybe.The best chance for finding exactly what you had is to hope that the breeder still has offspring of the original pair in the breeding program.
Talked to several breeders today. No pups,no pups, no pups, one pup not light enough, Excellent pup 7 months old.
Still searching
Finished my kennel up grade today. Still need to build New box.
Picked up a used crate for in the house.
More reading
Picked a name
Start upgrading bumpers and check cords, and other gear.
Keeping busy.
So true. But you hunt them maybe 60 days a year. The rest of the time you got to look at them.
This is my last go around so I want to savor it. I wont find a perfect match to what I had but I think I can get close maybe even better. Also a grand is my limit less even better.
The puppy market for labs has changed a lot in 13 years. Now litters are gobbled up before the seed is in the promise land. One gal has 8 reserves on a litter that will not be born till September. :yike:
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Its all about timing and keeping your name out there that you are looking. Sooner lor later it will happen.
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My first pup I got about 15 years ago. I put a deposit down because there was a good likelihood that there would be some yellows (and I really wanted a yellow). Turned out to be all blacks, but I ended up getting a black one instead of the yellow that I wanted. He was an awesome companion and good hunter.........I miss him every day now that he's gone; I'm glad I decided not to hold out for a yellow, but I can certainly understand holding out if that is what you really want. :twocents:
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My first pup I got about 15 years ago. I put a deposit down because there was a good likelihood that there would be some yellows (and I really wanted a yellow). Turned out to be all blacks, but I ended up getting a black one instead of the yellow that I wanted. He was an awesome companion and good hunter.........I miss him every day now that he's gone; I'm glad I decided not to hold out for a yellow, but I can certainly understand holding out if that is what you really want. :twocents:
Oh ya there are a ton of excellent black dogs. I have several friends all have blacks. Guess I like being just a little different.
When it comes to the gene pole you cant do any better than black labs.
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Well I have given up on finding one in washington right now. Sent several emails to Idaho breeders and Montana.
Got a promising call today, waiting for more details. :dunno:
It seems like every litter is gobbled up before they hit the ground. Just cannot believe the demand.
Talked to a old training buddy today. She been into labs for years. She knew my last dog. She said look outside of washington.
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Talked to a old training buddy today. She been into labs for years. She knew my last dog. She said look outside of washington.
The pup I have a deposit on is coming out of Manitoba, Canada. I agree that you may need to broaden your search. I think you'll find what you're looking for. For me the search was part of the fun. Good luck.
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One thing about looking outside of Washington is the prices are several hundred dollars different in a lot of cases.
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When it comes to the gene pole you cant do any better than black labs.
this is a misconception that I always found comical.
as far as labs (and most sporting breeds) are concerned, color has nothing to do with anything besides looks.
there might be more black labs winning trials and hunt tests, but that is simply because there are more black labs than yellows and chocolates.
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Harlequin Great Danes are one of the exceptions to this. They have a much higher chance of genetic disorders than the other colors of danes.
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Harlequin Great Danes are one of the exceptions to this. They have a much higher chance of genetic disorders than the other colors of danes.
I was talking more about hunting performance than anything else.
seems like yellows get a lot of skin and allergy problems. this might be because they have a higher demand in the pet market and some unscrupulous breeders are focusing more on getting the right kind of color over everything else including health.
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Anyone know these guys ,looking at a litter sired by their dog Stash.
http://www.smakwaterandsprezzatura.com/thanks.html?PHPSESSID=rjlbgngfc8llsmhdrpmtku65g4&PHPSESSID=rjlbgngfc8llsmhdrpmtku65g4 (http://www.smakwaterandsprezzatura.com/thanks.html?PHPSESSID=rjlbgngfc8llsmhdrpmtku65g4&PHPSESSID=rjlbgngfc8llsmhdrpmtku65g4)
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When it comes to the gene pole you cant do any better than black labs.
this is a misconception that I always found comical.
as far as labs (and most sporting breeds) are concerned, color has nothing to do with anything besides looks.
there might be more black labs winning trials and hunt tests, but that is simply because there are more black labs than yellows and chocolates.
"Black is beautiful" and "Once you go black you'll never go back" For years I bought into the misconception that Black Labs were superior(hunting wise) to yellows or chocs., but after owning a choc. female and seeing a friends yellow male preform I no longer believe it. Black maybe a dominant color but that is it, it's just a color and has nothing to do with smarts or endurance etc.
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When it comes to the gene pole you cant do any better than black labs.
this is a misconception that I always found comical.
as far as labs (and most sporting breeds) are concerned, color has nothing to do with anything besides looks.
there might be more black labs winning trials and hunt tests, but that is simply because there are more black labs than yellows and chocolates.
"Black is beautiful" and "Once you go black you'll never go back" For years I bought into the misconception that Black Labs were superior(hunting wise) to yellows or chocs., but after owning a choc. female and seeing a friends yellow male preform I no longer believe it. Black maybe a dominant color but that is it, it's just a color and has nothing to do with smarts or endurance etc.
Gene Pool, Not Hunting ability. I had a yellow and she was as good or better than anyone I ever hunted with or trained with.
But pure to the Breed, black from a line of blacks is as close as you can get. :twocents:
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When it comes to the gene pole you cant do any better than black labs.
this is a misconception that I always found comical.
as far as labs (and most sporting breeds) are concerned, color has nothing to do with anything besides looks.
there might be more black labs winning trials and hunt tests, but that is simply because there are more black labs than yellows and chocolates.
"Black is beautiful" and "Once you go black you'll never go back" For years I bought into the misconception that Black Labs were superior(hunting wise) to yellows or chocs., but after owning a choc. female and seeing a friends yellow male preform I no longer believe it. Black maybe a dominant color but that is it, it's just a color and has nothing to do with smarts or endurance etc.
Gene Pool, Not Hunting ability. I had a yellow and she was as good or better than anyone I ever hunted with or trained with.
But pure to the Breed, black from a line of blacks is as close as you can get. :twocents:
so you are saying a black pup from two yellow parents has inferior genes? but a yellow pup from two black parents are superior? maybe I am not picking up what you are putting down? :dunno: please explain. :dunno:
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I am saying Pure Blacks bred only to pure Blacks are as close as you can get to the original Lab breed or the first labs.
http://www.lockeonlabradors.com/blackparents.htm (http://www.lockeonlabradors.com/blackparents.htm)
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Phenotype and Genotype...or what are Labs made of?
The American Kennel Club classifies a Labrador Retriever into three color categories; what is known in genetic analysis as phenotypes. Phenotype can therefore be defined as the actual color appearance. However, when one breeds two black Labs, one may get only black puppies, but upon breeding another two black individuals one may get yellow and chocolate puppies as well as black. This indicates that though the dogs from two such crosses may appear to be the same color, or phenotype, they don't have the same genetic makeup, or genotype. It is the genotypes of the sire and dam which are responsible for yielding color variations in a litter.
Dominant and Recessive...or why do black Labs prevail?
It is not by accident that there are more black Labradors than any other color or that many breeders prefer black over the other colors. Since the black coloration is prevalent, "type" has been well substantiated in black Labs for many years, with yellows following and recently in chocolates. But the question remains: why is black prevalent? There are two genes responsible for black or chocolate coloration in the Lab. "B" which is the symbol for the black gene and "b" which symbolizes the chocolate gene. Knowing that a puppy gets 1/2 of its genes from one parent and 1/2 from the other parent then if one crosses a black Lab that has no chocolate gene to a chocolate Lab an individual might expect to get black and chocolate puppies; instead, the individual may be disappointed to find that the litter is all black. Where did the chocolate disappear to? If this individual is not discouraged he may later breed one of these black puppies to a chocolate lab and this time he will be satisfied because 1/2 of the litter will be black and 1/2 will be chocolate. The chocolate had been hiding. This indicates that although we cannot see the chocolate, it is still there in the genetic make-up (genotype), masked by the black gene. For this reason, geneticists call the black gene dominant over the chocolate gene which is called recessive.
To discuss yellow coloration, a third gene must be introduced. Yellow is produced by the presence of a recessive epistemic gene which has the effect of blotting out the expression of the black or chocolate genes. If "E" = the dominant form of for the epistemic gene, and "e" = the recessive form, then there are three possibilities:
EE = no yellow gene Ee = yellow carrier but appears either black or chocolate ee = yellow Lab
From the web site above.
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http://www.lorkenfarms.com/labrador%20Retriever%20history.htm#LABRADOR (http://www.lorkenfarms.com/labrador%20Retriever%20history.htm#LABRADOR) ORIGINS AND TIMELINE
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Well talked to a guy in Montana tonight he has one female left in a litter of pointing labs. It is the runt. Says it is thinner than the others. Sending me a photo in the am. But I am thinking not. Will wait and see though. Also going back and forth with another guy in Montana who has one female. Trying to get photos of that dog.
The search goes on.
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Well got the photos of the runt today. And she is small. I talked to the owner of the female more and turns out the sire had no Health certs. So the search is still on.
I can tell you this is a lot harder than it was 13 years ago. I have several breeders tell me I am nuts to be looking for a English dog that has hutning in pedigree.
And I can see why folks end up with back yard breeders ,because a lot of breeders are not customer friendly. I think that many breeders are the cause of backyard breeders.
But you know if I find the pup I want, the color I want , the health certs and other things I listed and it is AKC limited Reg. I am not going to care to much. Because I am tired of being attacked as a lower life form by some of the breeders I have talked too.
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good on you for sticking to your guns. lots of people just crack open the little nickel and grab the first one they see without any research whatsoever- thats some high stakes gambling IMO. I know because I have done it.
And I can see why folks end up with back yard breeders ,because a lot of breeders are not customer friendly. I think that many breeders are the cause of backyard breeders.
But you know if I find the pup I want, the color I want , the health certs and other things I listed and it is AKC limited Reg. I am not going to care to much. Because I am tired of being attacked as a lower life form by some of the breeders I have talked too.
what are these breeders doing that is offending you? :dunno:
even though it can be a real pain in the butt at times, I appreciate a breeder that is selective about who they are selling a puppy to. it shows they give a rip about what they are doing. although I have met a few that are completely over the top.
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I tell you what I have talked to about 25 since I started this and about five have been decent folks. I have to say Bob Morris at Cougar Mountain is one the most user friendly I have talked too.
I must be getting my share of over the top. I have no problem with a breeder that wants to protect his blood line. I have said many times I have no intrest in breeding a pup. But the folks who want you to spell out what the dog will be doing every minute of the day, how many folks live in your house, how many kids, what happen to your last dog, do you own cats, how many cars pass your house each day,how big is your yard, do you rent or own, have you ever put a dog in a open bed pick up?? (No) Why do you want dew claws removed, you have to feed this food, fill out this form and we will decide if you are worthy. :yike: :yike: :yike: :bash: :bash: :bash:
A friend of mine who retired from Shell wanted a border Collie. The breeder told him to his face he was too old for a Border collie.
He called up a big time Kennel in California jumped on a jet and bought his Border Collie. That dogs lives better than I do. Gets to go every where and has the best of care.
And than they want you to charge you top dollar "(but its not about the money)" oh ya , we will name the dog for you.
Nuts.
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Have you looked here? http://www.deeprunretrievers.com/puppies.shtml (http://www.deeprunretrievers.com/puppies.shtml) Appears they test the bajeezus out of them.............................. the guy that owns Concrete Northwest had a Yellow phase male from there,he got it free from fellow I'm aquainted with.
I thought the "Casey/tutti fruiti litter might interest you.
Appears they been at it along time at Deep Run.
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Have you looked here? http://www.deeprunretrievers.com/puppies.shtml (http://www.deeprunretrievers.com/puppies.shtml) Appears they test the bajeezus out of them.............................. the guy that owns Concrete Northwest had a Yellow phase male from there,he got it free from fellow I'm aquainted with.
I thought the "Casey/tutti fruiti litter might interest you.
Appears they been at it along time at Deep Run.
They look great but I was hoping to find one a little closer drive than VA.
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Fly em............
Also just wondering since your so close and all......................... Conway Kennels doesn't have anything in the way of direction to steer you more locally ?
Have you looked here? http://www.deeprunretrievers.com/puppies.shtml (http://www.deeprunretrievers.com/puppies.shtml) Appears they test the bajeezus out of them.............................. the guy that owns Concrete Northwest had a Yellow phase male from there,he got it free from fellow I'm aquainted with.
I thought the "Casey/tutti fruiti litter might interest you.
Appears they been at it along time at Deep Run.
They look great but I was hoping to find one a little closer drive than VA.
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Fly em............
Also just wondering since your so close and all......................... Conway Kennels doesn't have anything in the way of direction to steer you more locally ?
Have you looked here? http://www.deeprunretrievers.com/puppies.shtml (http://www.deeprunretrievers.com/puppies.shtml) Appears they test the bajeezus out of them.............................. the guy that owns Concrete Northwest had a Yellow phase male from there,he got it free from fellow I'm aquainted with.
I thought the "Casey/tutti fruiti litter might interest you.
Appears they been at it along time at Deep Run.
They look great but I was hoping to find one a little closer drive than VA.
Giving them a call tomorrow, several folks have mentioned them.
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Here you go....These folks are in VA. I can lie on everyone of these and they would not know any different. What are they going to do ?Send someone to my house? This is a waste of time. Does nothing but make them feel good about selling a dog.
Name ____________________________________________________________
Address _________________________________________________________
City, State, Zip ___________________________________________________
E-mail ________________________________
Phones: Home ________________ Work __________________
Mobile _________________ Pager ______________________
Number of family members: _________
Ages of children ____________
How many family members are home during the day? _____
If no one, who wiII care for the young pup? ______________________
Where will the dog sleep? ___________________________________________
Do you own or rent? __________
How long at current address? __________
Is your yard fenced? _________
What kind of fence? ____________________
If you are planning an invisible fence, how will you contain the pup until it is old enough to use the invisible fence? ____________________________________________
Explain why you want a dog ___________________________________________
Who will be responsible for training the dog? ________________________
Do you plan to have the dog trained professionally? ___________
Do you plan to have your dog spayed or neutered?
What happened to your last dog? ____________________________
How many other pets do you have now? ____ What kind are they, and how old? ____________________________________
If your puppy swallowed a sock and the veterinarian told you it needed an operation that would cost $1200, what would you do? _____________________________
Who is your current veterinarian, include phone number + area code _____________
Have you used a crate to house train puppies before? ______
Have you trained any dogs to achieve titles? If so, which titles? _________ _______________
What hobbies do you have? _____________________________________
How many hours a week do you plan to spend with your dog? ________
Are you planning to move in the next 5 years? ______
What will you do with your dog when you go on vacation? __________________
Are you prepared to make this commitment for the next 14 years? _________
Do you plan to use for dog for hunting? _______
What kind of hunting do you do? ________________________
How often did you hunt this past season? __________________
Will you run your dog in any Field Trials, Hunt of Field Tests? _______
Who will train your dog for these events? _____________________
Do you plan to send your puppy back for puppy training at Deep Run Farm? _____
Will you want your pup shipped to you? ____
What is the nearest LARGE airport to you? __________________
Will you want to buy a crate to ship your pup, or send one to us for shipping? _____
Are you interested in a special Deep Run litter? If so, which one? __________________
Are you interested in a male _______or female_______ pup?
Please list your color preference, (number 1 most preferred, number 3 least preferred). Black___________Yellow____________Chocolate____________. If you are only interested in one color, simply put number 1 next to that color.
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Please print out and Mail the completed questionnaire to us at:
Deep Run Farm
13727 Blackwells Mill Road
Goldvein, VA 22720
or,
Email it to DeepRunRet@aol.com
or
Fax it to 540-752-4775.
After we receive your Questionnaire, we will contact you to determine the best pup for you. A deposit of $150 is required to hold your pup. We accept checks, Master Card, VISA, and cash. We will try to make the best selection of a pup from our litter for you, based on your responses to this questionnaire. If you have more you would like to tell us about your family, and what you are looking for, do not hesitate to include it with this questionnaire. Your puppy will be selected for you, based on the information we have. Your puppy will be available on or after his 8 week birthday. If you are not pleased with your pup, you may return it to us within one week for a full refund. All transportation costs will be your responsibility.
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Just for kicks how many of you would fill out the above questionare truthfully to get a hunting dog?
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Just for kicks how many of you would fill out the above questionare truthfully to get a hunting dog?
those questions don't seem that out of line or unreasonable. more like par for the course and what I have come to expect from legit breeders.
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Theres lots of legit breeders not using these. They serve no purpose because there is no way to confirm the information. its fluff.
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if its in a contract they want that fluff to use legally against you after the fact if something goes wrong so they will be able to take the dog from you. I would imagine.
we just adopted an old cat from a rescue. you want to talk about fluff! I am pretty sure I signed less paperwork when I bought my house. by the time they were done with me I wouldn't have been surprised if they wanted to know how many times a day I took a dump and in what proximity to the cats scratching post.
its a bunch of useless stuff, but they make sure all their bases are covered if anything comes up and they want the animal back.
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Talking to a guide in the south of WA. He has one female left from a litter at 10 weeks old. She meets all the requirements on my list except she is not as light as I would like and she is 10 weeks instead of 8 weeks. Everything else is good.
A lot of learning happens in two weeks. He sent photos of her in water and introduced to birds. What do you think 10 weeks too old? Also of her parents on goose hunt trips. Breeding is good and other folks are swearing by her litter mates. She was the smaller dog in the litter but is good size. ??
Dont know.
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not a lot of folks would turn down a good pup for being ten weeks old instead of eight. quite a few would prefer a pup that got to spend more time with mom.
you also got to remember a light colored pup will mostly likely darken up a little bit as it matures.
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Turns out this am that 10 week pup damm never had health certs run on her because she was already bred.
No health certs on female.
10 weeks
Wish color was whiter.
ummmm
I think I am going to pass. For $1000 bucks I need to get all or of my list. Health certs. important.
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Another to look at.............. http://candlewoodkennels.net/ (http://candlewoodkennels.net/)
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thanks
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candlewood is the shiz. I have seen a few candlewood dogs and they are nothing short of impressive.
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Worn is a member on this site. It looks like he has a batch of yellows coming in September. I have a chocolate from his bloodlines that I got last year. Not unhappy with my pup so far. Lots of drive and willing to learn. Anyways, might want to contact him and give the dogs a look.
http://irelandfarms.com/Ireland-Farms-Home.php (http://irelandfarms.com/Ireland-Farms-Home.php)
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I'm looking for a pup myself, but as a broke recent college grad im not looking for AKC Certs. Have u come across any of these "backyard breeders" that are selling for less than $400?
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Thanks Goldeneye!
I have a yellow litter due next month. I just got a call from a guy yesterday telling me how impressed he is with his pup from this same breeding. Amazing in the water, (loves to even swim under water). Also, super driven in the field, (won't even stop for a treat), but very mellow and laid back in the house. I'm sure he'd be happy to talk to anyone about his dog. He's an avid hunter and lives on a big orchard on the Columbia.
This will be a nice combination of my English male and a nicely bred field Lab.
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I'm looking for a pup myself, but as a broke recent college grad im not looking for AKC Certs. Have u come across any of these "backyard breeders" that are selling for less than $400?
Short answer No.
But I would say to you this.
Get the certs,the AKC limited,dew claws off, and at least some remote hunting in the back round.
Why? there are a lot of designer dogs out there. You might not get a lab , you might get a hookiehoodle.
AKC is at least a good chance you are getting a purebred.
Health certs or vet bills.
Dew claws easier as a pup than as a adult later.
Some hunting/ Peice of mind.
These things are all kinda standard even with the once a year breeder on the farm.
I think the 400.00 dog days are past. You can find a lot of nice dogs if you do not care about color for $600-$650 .
Someone you trust maybe on this forum might do you better and cheaper.
Good luck if I run across anything I will let you know. Check back often.
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Thanks Goldeneye!
I have a yellow litter due next month. I just got a call from a guy yesterday telling me how impressed he is with his pup from this same breeding. Amazing in the water, (loves to even swim under water). Also, super driven in the field, (won't even stop for a treat), but very mellow and laid back in the house. I'm sure he'd be happy to talk to anyone about his dog. He's an avid hunter and lives on a big orchard on the Columbia.
This will be a nice combination of my English male and a nicely bred field Lab.
PM coming your way
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Thanks Goldeneye!
I have a yellow litter due next month. I just got a call from a guy yesterday telling me how impressed he is with his pup from this same breeding. Amazing in the water, (loves to even swim under water). Also, super driven in the field, (won't even stop for a treat), but very mellow and laid back in the house. I'm sure he'd be happy to talk to anyone about his dog. He's an avid hunter and lives on a big orchard on the Columbia.
This will be a nice combination of my English male and a nicely bred field Lab.
PM coming your way
PM sent
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Thanks Goldeneye!
I have a yellow litter due next month. I just got a call from a guy yesterday telling me how impressed he is with his pup from this same breeding. Amazing in the water, (loves to even swim under water). Also, super driven in the field, (won't even stop for a treat), but very mellow and laid back in the house. I'm sure he'd be happy to talk to anyone about his dog. He's an avid hunter and lives on a big orchard on the Columbia.
This will be a nice combination of my English male and a nicely bred field Lab.
PM coming your way
PM sent
Got any photos of parents??
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http://irelandfarms.com/Ireland-Farms-Home.php (http://irelandfarms.com/Ireland-Farms-Home.php)
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... You might not get a lab , you might get a hookiehoodle.
That was funny...made me laugh.
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Worn is a member on this site. It looks like he has a batch of yellows coming in September. I have a chocolate from his bloodlines that I got last year. Not unhappy with my pup so far. Lots of drive and willing to learn. Anyways, might want to contact him and give the dogs a look.
http://irelandfarms.com/Ireland-Farms-Home.php (http://irelandfarms.com/Ireland-Farms-Home.php)
This was a very good tip ,
Thank you.
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I'm looking for a pup myself, but as a broke recent college grad im not looking for AKC Certs. Have u come across any of these "backyard breeders" that are selling for less than $400?
if $400 was the absolute ceiling on how much I was willing/able to pay for a dog I would get one from the shelter or a rescue. at least that way all your vaccinations and first checkups should be taken care of and in some cases the animal will already be spayed or neutered. the initial price tag of a pup is just the tip of the financial iceberg.
in many cases AKC registered doesn't mean much, in the absolute worst case scenario it just means the breeder went to a little extra trouble to make sure the dogs were registered ect. some people are under the impression AKC registration is the promised mark of quality, thats like saying you must be the worlds greatest dad just because your T-shirt says so.
these days there are so many good labs from decent hunting stock I would be concentrate on health clearances first, hunting background second in smaller sized breeding operations.
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Worn is a member on this site. It looks like he has a batch of yellows coming in September. I have a chocolate from his bloodlines that I got last year. Not unhappy with my pup so far. Lots of drive and willing to learn. Anyways, might want to contact him and give the dogs a look.
http://irelandfarms.com/Ireland-Farms-Home.php (http://irelandfarms.com/Ireland-Farms-Home.php)
This was a very good tip ,
Thank you.
Your welcome. A hunting dog is a big commitment. A person needs all the info he can get to make the right decision for himself. If you end up with one of his pups, I'd love to hear updates as it grows.
Who knows, if you hunt public land we may eventually cross paths. I venture up your way a few times each year to knock a few out of the air.
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Worn is a member on this site. It looks like he has a batch of yellows coming in September. I have a chocolate from his bloodlines that I got last year. Not unhappy with my pup so far. Lots of drive and willing to learn. Anyways, might want to contact him and give the dogs a look.
http://irelandfarms.com/Ireland-Farms-Home.php (http://irelandfarms.com/Ireland-Farms-Home.php)
This was a very good tip ,
Thank you.
Your welcome. A hunting dog is a big commitment. A person needs all the info he can get to make the right decision for himself. If you end up with one of his pups, I'd love to hear updates as it grows.
Who knows, if you hunt public land we may eventually cross paths. I venture up your way a few times each year to knock a few out of the air.
Yep I put a deposit down on the next litter due next month.
He is very user friendly.
I have been hunting out of my boat last couple years because the old dog couldn't go, might have to start hitting the fields again.
Watch for my avatar it's every where I hunt.
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It's a girl. Well looks like a new pup is coming my way. Got a email this am from breeder puppies were being born. One male ,two females at last count but he expected more.
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Well turned ou to be six pups four females. I have first pick of females, three are light colored. Going to make my choice Oct. 20 when I am that way deer hunting.
Pick up date will be Nov. 3.
Just happens oct. 20 is my birthday. Great present
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Right on!
Try not to notice all the quail to the side of the driveway as you drive down the hill to Warren's. It was very distracting. LOL! Glad your getting a pup like you were looking for.
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Just for everyone's future reference...
http://huntersrosekennel.homestead.com/
If you like the pointing variety these guys have a great rep. I don't think their dogs will cost you an arm and a leg either.
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Right on!
Try not to notice all the quail to the side of the driveway as you drive down the hill to Warren's. It was very distracting. LOL! Glad your getting a pup like you were looking for.
Yep went to visit the five week old pups on the 20th. My Birthday. Lots of quail and the labs were working them with in the fence area. Could make a choice but marked two females.
Warren was great and very easy to work with. And the dogs all look great. Going back on the 3 rd of Nov. To make my pick and bring her home. Took lots of pics. Will up load when I get the kids off the PC.
Thanks goldeye for the great tip.
I understand you have a Ireland dog. Let's see a pic.
I have never been a Chocolate fan but Warren has some of the best looking chock I have ever seen.
I transferred my deposit at Cougar Mt. Labs to my son. He is going to get a pup from Bob next year.
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Right on!
Try not to notice all the quail to the side of the driveway as you drive down the hill to Warren's. It was very distracting. LOL! Glad your getting a pup like you were looking for.
Yep went to visit the five week old pups on the 20th. My Birthday. Lots of quail and the labs were working them with in the fence area. Could make a choice but marked two females.
Warren was great and very easy to work with. And the dogs all look great. Going back on the 3 rd of Nov. To make my pick and bring her home. Took lots of pics. Will up load when I get the kids off the PC.
Thanks goldeye for the great tip.
I understand you have a Ireland dog. Let's see a pic.
I have never been a Chocolate fan but Warren has some of the best looking chock I have ever seen.
I transferred my deposit at Cougar Mt. Labs to my son. He is going to get a pup from Bob next year.
My top two choices.
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here is another.
Which would you pick? Both females.
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Congrats, new pups are wesome! :tup:
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OK you asked for it. I'm a proud puppy papa. 1st pic is shortly after I got her home. 2nd pic is with her adopted mom (My 13 yr old lab) getting to know each other by playing, 3rd pic is from this summer and the last pic is her first pheasant hunt.
I really believe you'll be verry happy with your new girl. Whichever one you choose. They both look like good ones to me. :tup:
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Excellent
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I beleive I remember you wanting a lighter colored pup. The one in your left hand appears to be lighter that the other pup.
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Goldeneye, she is a really good looking lab!
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Goldeneye, she is a really good looking lab!
:yeah:
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I beleive I remember you wanting a lighter colored pup. The one in your left hand appears to be lighter that the other pup.
Not me in the photo. Thats one of my hunting buds. GroundPounder. I took the photo.
Yes I wanted the light colored one and still do. But the other one showed a lot intrest in me at five weeks. And seemed to be a little further developed than the light girl.
Still pondering it over. I have video too, and watch that everyday. They will be a little further along when I go back on the 3rd, so we will see. at five weeks they are not seeing a whole lot .
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A Labradoodle I bred stopped by to visit my bird pen this morning....She's pretty cute huh? :chuckle:
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I beleive I remember you wanting a lighter colored pup. The one in your left hand appears to be lighter that the other pup.
Not me in the photo. Thats one of my hunting buds. GroundPounder. I took the photo.
Yes I wanted the light colored one and still do. But the other one showed a lot intrest in me at five weeks. And seemed to be a little further developed than the light girl.
Still pondering it over. I have video too, and watch that everyday. They will be a little further along when I go back on the 3rd, so we will see. at five weeks they are not seeing a whole lot .
If I remember right I think I did 3 trips over there before finalizing my pick. Needed to observe them a bit on interaction, see if there was food aggressiveness issues, how they responded to me being there, and of course how they responded to bird wings. It's a long term decision. You want to be sure you pick the one that fit's you best.
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A Labradoodle I bred stopped by to visit my bird pen this morning....She's pretty cute huh? :chuckle:
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Yes! She is a cutie! Love the eyes...
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Ghosthunter, Saw this pic on the computer from Warren's place. Which of these yellow's are your choices? LOL! Nice pic though. I bet your anxious...
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i think I am the only one who has picked and my choices are the two with the collars on.
Light one on the left near top board and darker one on right near top board.
one on right is a tad bigger than the left one. i really want the left one to work out. But the right one was more interactive when i was there.
Warren said it could be nothing more than who got the most recent nap.
We took them out ouf a 60 degree building on to a 40 degree lawn with a slight breeze.
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Leaving friday to pick her up. Staying overnight in the Chelan -Manson area, so I can get to Warrens first thing in am.
Might take my wife to the what I here is the worst casino in the NW. Just to see how bad it really is.
Any suggestiions on Motels or food joints in that area?
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Happy, Is that a Labradoodle of the Northfolk line? A small special line of dogs right there! ;) :tup:
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Leaving friday to pick her up. Staying overnight in the Chelan -Manson area, so I can get to Warrens first thing in am.
Might take my wife to the what I here is the worst casino in the NW. Just to see how bad it really is.
Any suggestiions on Motels or food joints in that area?
When I went over it was just for the day. Ate at the Heidelburger drive as you leave Levanworth on the way home. Nothing fancy, just quick. Saw a new picture from Warren's. Here it is just to make you more anxious...
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Yep saw that. See my two picks in there. One on the right is little chubby.
Picked up a new dog house today. Was going to get it at Cabelas but found it $50.00 cheaper at new ranch store in Mt Vernon.
She won't use it for months except for maybe a hour a day.But wanted to be ready.
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In chelan tonight. Pup in the am. Than that will be the end of this thread.
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Woohoo, for you! Ours turned twelve weeks this week.
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It's going to be a tough decision tomorrow. I think there might even be a third female in the mix! I hope you sleep better tonight than a kid on Christmas Eve!
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yeah thanks Warren.
It was a tough choice but decided on this one. I am very happy with her. She slept between the car seats like a rock on the last 2 hrs home. She already knows how to get up and down the stairs and she sticks to me like glue.
thanks Warren for being a user friendly breeder.
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yeah thanks Warren.
It was a tough choice but decided on this one. I am very happy with her. She slept between the car seats like a rock on the last 2 hrs home. She already knows how to get up and down the stairs and she sticks to me like glue.
thanks Warren for being a user friendly breeder.
:tup:
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Congrats on the new pup...she looks great! What's her name?
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yeah thanks Warren.
It was a tough choice but decided on this one. I am very happy with her. She slept between the car seats like a rock on the last 2 hrs home. She already knows how to get up and down the stairs and she sticks to me like glue.
thanks Warren for being a user friendly breeder.
You are welcome! I'm happy She's a great fit and thanks for the Elk roast, steak and summer sausage! It was a pleasure getting to know you and stop by if you get over here in the future.
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Congrats on the new pup...she looks great! What's her name?
Well akc name will be Ireland Farm's Muddy Water Treasure.
Call name is - Pearl
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yeah thanks Warren.
It was a tough choice but decided on this one. I am very happy with her. She slept between the car seats like a rock on the last 2 hrs home. She already knows how to get up and down the stairs and she sticks to me like glue.
thanks Warren for being a user friendly breeder.
You are welcome! I'm happy She's a great fit and thanks for the Elk roast, steak and summer sausage! It was a pleasure getting to know you and stop by if you get over here in the future.
You bet.
She got a good check up at the vet and a report is coming your way.
She is sleeping through the night now. And goes to work with me every day. She loves sleeping on a hot water bottle in her crate.
And she rules the Corgi already. Comes to whistle every time.
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All you've got is a chihuahua unless you've got pics..... :chuckle:
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:yeah: :chuckle:
Did you get the light colored one? :dunno:
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Just got back from elk camp. Congrats Ghost! She's a looker!
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:yeah: :chuckle:
Did you get the light colored one? :dunno:
As Worn can atest i had a devil of a time picking. I really wanted the light one to work, but in the end after changing my mind several times. I took the darker one. I am really pleased with her to this point.
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Just got back from elk camp. Congrats Ghost! She's a looker!
Thanks but thats WORN's work.
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All you've got is a chihuahua unless you've got pics..... :chuckle:
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Another
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She's a cutey! Alright, not a chihuahua. :chuckle:
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Pup is growing up now. Almost 5 months now. Doing very well.
In my wifes mini van because some gal ran the red light and totaled my truck.
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She is a beauty. :tup:
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Thanks, but the credit goes to Ireland Farms. Warren turned out real nice dogs.
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Thanks, but the credit goes to Ireland Farms. Warren turned out real nice dogs.
I'll second that. I'm very pleased with my chocolate I picked up from Warren previously. She's doing really well and is a sharp looker too.
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Thanks guys, but I can only produce the quality. You guys have worked to get what you have. A nice Pedigree helps with trainability, but can't do it all.
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Well Pearl is pressing the dummy into my hand every time and my old dog never did that. And she is just as fast or faster.
Many things I go to teach her she already seems to know. Like she took casts the first time. You are doing something right Warren.
My son got a pup from another breeder, she is two months younger but lacks the fire that my dog has. I could not be happier.
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Saw this picture and thought of your pup ghosthunter. Young labs are very smart and at times can be inventive in the situations they get themselves into.
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Saw this picture and thought of your pup ghosthunter. Young labs are very smart and at time can be inventive in the situations they get themselves into.
If I didn't know better I would say that could have been my yellow girl when she was a pup. Could maybe save on some electricity thataway. :chuckle:
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Yup! My brittany saves us lots of water previously used for pre-rinsing (at least when I don't catch him at it). :drool:
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It kind of looks like Pearl, but she would never do that :) !
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A Labradoodle I bred stopped by to visit my bird pen this morning....She's pretty cute huh? :chuckle:
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Yes! She is a cutie! Love the eyes...
Labradoodle looks a lot like one of them ornery Puddle Poodles.
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Well Pearl is almost 9 months old. Today I took her to spay and neuter clinic.
To get spayed.
She is home now and a little sore. Resting at my feet. No training for 7 days just rest and time to heal.
It's always nice when I take her in that they comment on her obedience. She gets on the scale on command and sits until told to more. Heals right through a line of other dogs straining against their owners.and wages her tail at the cats.
She is lining out to100 yards now. Doing wagon wheel drills like they were her invention. Runs flat out on retrieves and attacks the dummy.
Will start working on a platform for her to sit in my boat and some kind of entry ramp.
Than the water work starts out of the boat.
We should be ready to rock when the waterfowl season starts after I get back from elk and deer.
Sending in my AKC registration this week end. Was just waiting to get her spayed.
AKC name will be Ireland Farms Dirty Water Pearl.......call name Pearl.
Thanks Warren for a dang nice pup.
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What the heck, no updated picture?
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Glad she's turned out to be what you'd hoped for. You've done a great job training her, that always helps!
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Ghosthunter or Warren - Is Pearl one of Goose and Jagger's pups? She is a doll!
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Peal is out biz's last litter. The sire was Jag.
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Thanks for sharing Ghosthunter. Pearl is a gorgeous girl! We are in line for the first female from Goose and Jag's next litter due in July. To say we are beyond excited is an understatement!!
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Goose is very similar in size, temperament and pedigree to Bizzy, so I expect their pups to be a lot like Pearl.
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Thanks for sharing Ghosthunter. Pearl is a gorgeous girl! We are in line for the first female from Goose and Jag's next litter due in July. To say we are beyond excited is an understatement!!
You will be very happy with the total experience. Warren is a super nice breeder to work with. Trust me there are some breeders from other planets out there.
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Might be a dumb question but why register an altered dog?
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Might be a dumb question but why register an altered dog?
I'm wondering the same thing. Personally, I wouldn't even register an unaltered dog unlees I intended to use the dog for breeding..
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Might be a dumb question but why register an altered dog?
I'm wondering the same thing. Personally, I wouldn't even register an unaltered dog unlees I intended to use the dog for breeding..
Planning to run some AKC Hunt Tests
Must have Limited Registration.
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Planning to run some AKC Hunt Tests
Must have Limited Registration.
That makes sense.. I didn't remember it being a reqirement. It's been a long time since I've entered a dog in any hunt tests. Good luck with your dog. :)
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I was more than a little upset with the guy who bought a pup from me for cutting the cooter out of his dog that he is going to field trial with,the thing that upset me the most was that he claimed she was the best dog he's owned in 40 years.Quality females in performance are not that easy to come by IMO.
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I am not that interested in Hunt Tests. But it is good way to keep the dog tuned up in the off season.
In the end my goal is to hunt with her, but I wanted to keep the hunt test option open.
My son has a lab 2 months younger and he wants to do some tests with his first dog. So we plan to make it a father son thing.
Also if you like your breeder it is a good way to help them out some. If you get some titles in Hunt tests, the breeder can point to your dog and say thats what my dogs can do. I appreciate my breeder turning out quality pups and still being grounded on this planet.
Some of the breeders I came across before finding Ireland farms where not on this planet with their rules and requirements.
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Well we are learing about boats now. She was not impressed at first. But getting it figured out. Next week maybe on the water.
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Little happier about it after a few trys.
Ok can I get out now?
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She's looking good. It looks like her color has gotten lighter as she's aged.
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She's looking good. It looks like her color has gotten lighter as she's aged.
Well she looks better in the boat. And relaxed.
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We took a cruise around the lake she bailed once, but soon decided that wasn't what she expected. I drug her back in and she was relaxed the rest of the trip. We did some marks off the boat launch. She is a powerful swimmer. Once I get a boat ramp we will start marks out of the boat.
Excellent.
Making great head way now.
She is just over 9 months old now.
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Right on! She looks great and glad she's figuring out the boat. That's a important thing to learn about.
My girl will get introduced to a sneak boat I picked up in the off season soon. Might be a little different experience for her since we are closer to the water. That's part of the fun though.
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Carpet samples work great in the bottom of the boat. They will help keep her warm rear end off the cold metal and gives a little better gripping surface to stand on.
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Thanks,I got some rubber matts that don't hold water for her.
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14 months now.
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Yay, birds!
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We hunted today and I am amazed how relaxed she is around the gun. She is very relaxed sitting in the bush waiting for birds.
A few pintail came in and I winged one. It sailed into. The foot high barley. They are never where you think they are.
Pearl did not see it fall so I took her to the edge of barley and said hunt it up.
Up till now this has been a bumper now the reL thing.
She sailed off crisscrossing 40 ft from me back and forth. Than she sailed down wind and I saw the breaks lock up.
Her nose went up and she followed the scent 100 ft to my right. I love it when a duck try's to run from a dog. One pounce, two and she landed on it.
She looked at me and I said here.
At that very moment all the lights came on, she scooped up the live bird an raced to me with it.
A waterfowl dog was born I. That moment. And a years worth of training was rewarded.
We played with the duck a bit than back to our hide hole. She pounce on her seat turned planted her butt and locked out on the decoys.
As I sat down next to her she glanced at me and her eyes said.
Let's do that again.
My only regret is that I did not start hunting with a dog until my late 40s. It's so much fun.
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Great story, Ghosthunter! Love the updates. :tup:
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Ghosthunter,
Great story. I could feel the chest swelling pride as you watched your dog "GET IT."
Nothing like watching dogs figure things out and do the thing they're bred for.
Hoping to see some of that the next two days.
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Ghosthunter,
Great story. I could feel the chest swelling pride as you watched your dog "GET IT."
Nothing like watching dogs figure things out and do the thing they're bred for.
Hoping to see some of that the next two days.
It is rewarding because I trained her myself. And sure I am not a trainer so there is always some little glitch. My first dog I trained and met with a trainer couple times a month to get birds shot etc.
This time it all on me and that's what makes it real fun.
But as far as good manners hunting she is way ahead of the game. I am kind of a no nonsense guy with obedience.
More birds takes care of a lot of issues.
Thanks
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Is this what you want dad?
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Ok dad I will spot them ,you shoot um.
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14 months, From Ireland Farms.
Thanks Warren.
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14 months, From Ireland Farms.
Thanks Warren.
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14 months, From Ireland Farms.
Thanks Warren.
You're very welcome! You did a great job training her and I appreciate all your emails with updates and pictures;) she looks great.
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Thanks
But we are just getting started. I got to say she is way easier to train than my first one. She seems to know the game. And she relaxes a lot faster than my first which I really like on the slow duck days.
This photo was taken December 21,2013 She is about 15 months. She had just retreived a Bufflehead across the pond. The only bird this day.
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On our way home. December 21,2013
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December 7,2014
No ducks today but a good training session on boat ethics and using the ramp coming back.
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She's looking good! :tup:
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:tup: You must have been hunting Clear or beaver lake?
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:tup: You must have been hunting Clear or beaver lake?
I wouldnt call it hunting. :chuckle:
I slept in till 7 am ,Took two hours to get my boat set up for the first time this year.
11 am had dekes in the water knowing there would be no birds. Relaxed for a couple hours. Than threw marks for the dog, with gun fire. Ramp practice.
2 pm picked up and went home.
Great Day :IBCOOL: :tup:
Beaver lake has been slow this year.
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I have seen either 0 people there or a parking lot with 7 vehicles there. It would be a great place to set your boat up for the year and give the dog some practice.
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She's looking good! :tup:
:yeah:
Congrats.
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Couple more photos.
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when you sent the 1st pic I thought your pup was a male. Man that's a great looking female!! I read your link THANK YOU! jagger is the father of the litter Warren has coming up in early February. After your link I'm thinking that litter is at the top of the list. Trying to get in touch with Warren and ask some questions. Thanks for the information and have a great new year
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Well I got thinking today and decided to revive this thread with an update and some thoughts.
13 year later.
Pearl will be 13 years old this year. And is still going strong. But a little slower.
We have not hunted the past two years for waterfowl, but have for grouse. I throw 30-40 balls every day for her. I sit in a lawn chair and throw balls as far as I can until she starts to tire which is around 40 balls. The rest of the time we just pal around during the off season.
A shout out to Warren at Ireland farms for a great dog.
Pearl spends her nights in her 13 x 13 kennel since she was 6 months old. Every am she comes out and pals with me or hangs out in our back yard. Everyday of off season she does receiving drills or obedience drills, than retrieving play time.
When we go camping with our RV she hangs out around camp and sleeps in my truck at night.
From the start I taught her to remain silent regardless of where we were. She was never meant to be a guard dog but a silent and obedient companion. She has barked only about a dozen times in all the years. Never growled at another dog or human except once at two game agents sneaking up behind me duck hunting.
From the beginning I protected her joints. Using a ramp to load her in and out of my truck. She will never jump down off the tailgate unless I tell her. I learned with my first lab that joints wear out jumping in and out trucks. She weighs about 60 lbs and have never been fat.
She gets two cups of food a day. Recently we noticed she wasn’t eating the hard food so we now wet it and mix in half of can of wet. Cleans it up.
Her drive to receive or for birds has never waived in the years. She is 100% about retrieving. In my canvas tents ,she sleeps at the bottom of my cot all night. And only gets up when I do.
All in all she is happy , content hunting partner and companion. As I have said before she is a better dog than I deserve. From the looks of it we have a few more years left together.
She will be my last lab and maybe my last dog. At 73 I too am slowing down. And like her my heart is all for it, but sometimes my body says nah.
So here’s to good breeders like Ireland Farms, and good dogs.
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There is nothing better than a good dog, they are just good for the soul! Her eyes say it all in that last pic! Beautiful Lab.