Post by: Russ McDonald on July 16, 2012, 08:27:51 PM
This guy should have known better. Moron. Although most states do allow it.
Post by: runamuk on July 16, 2012, 08:51:39 PM
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says Christensen. "It's kind of a fair chase issue. It's not very sporting to put that bait out."
its illegal is why he should be prosecuted, it has nothing to do with ones hunting method preferences... and all that comment does is fuel the belief that baits and such are "unfair" to the animals. Baiting bears is illegal he got busted leave it at that no need to add in the animal rights HSUS BS :bash: :bash:
Post by: Huntbear on July 16, 2012, 08:55:18 PM
Post by: billythekidrock on July 16, 2012, 08:59:10 PM
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Officers say Erickson is a guy who should've known better. He worked as a manager at the Cabela's in Lacey, and should be well-versed the law against bear baiting.
Really?
Just because he manages a retail outlet he is supposed to know game laws? What a stupid statement.
Post by: Cap.Silver on July 16, 2012, 09:25:14 PM
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Post by: mkcj on July 16, 2012, 10:08:10 PM
Post by: BullMagnet76 on July 16, 2012, 10:26:25 PM
I wonder if his cabin will be up forsale?
:yeah: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: Kola16 on July 16, 2012, 10:34:45 PM
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Post by: CP on July 17, 2012, 07:13:29 AM
:yeah: dont bait the bears but go ahead and bait the deer and elk. Ive always wondered what the difference is.
The difference is an anti-hunting group, mostly out of state people, put up enough money to collect enough signatures of non-hunting WA citizens to get the proposal on the ballot. Then they ran enough ads to get enough non-hunting WA citizens to vote in a law against hound hunting of bears and baiting of bears.
The same group would love to ban baiting of deer and elk; that might be next. After that they may take on banning all hunting.
Post by: boneaddict on July 17, 2012, 09:10:10 AM
Post by: Johnb317 on July 17, 2012, 09:24:07 AM
Btw - notice the computer screen behind the Dfw guy? That wasn't there by chance.
(wolf)
Post by: Mxracer532 on July 18, 2012, 08:41:29 PM
Post by: Kola16 on July 18, 2012, 10:42:53 PM
Not that this was right in anyway shape or form but I think is BS we cant bait bears in Wa. The blues is COVERED with bears and with only a handfull of tags for a spring hunt there is only gonna be more and more and less and less Elk and Deer. Not to mention the WOLVES! Or very large coyotes! (story to that)
Bears do not have that big of an impact on deer and elk. Wolves have a much, much larger impact on the deer and elk. Coyotes have more of an impact than bears do.
Post by: huntnnw on July 18, 2012, 11:57:45 PM
Not that this was right in anyway shape or form but I think is BS we cant bait bears in Wa. The blues is COVERED with bears and with only a handfull of tags for a spring hunt there is only gonna be more and more and less and less Elk and Deer. Not to mention the WOLVES! Or very large coyotes! (story to that)
Bears do not have that big of an impact on deer and elk. Wolves have a much, much larger impact on the deer and elk. Coyotes have more of an impact than bears do.
I hope that statement was a joke??? U have any idea how many fawns and calves are lost every spring to bears? I think it would astound u
Post by: NWBREW on July 19, 2012, 01:07:37 AM
Post by: billythekidrock on July 19, 2012, 06:13:26 AM
Not that this was right in anyway shape or form but I think is BS we cant bait bears in Wa. The blues is COVERED with bears and with only a handfull of tags for a spring hunt there is only gonna be more and more and less and less Elk and Deer. Not to mention the WOLVES! Or very large coyotes! (story to that)
Bears do not have that big of an impact on deer and elk. Wolves have a much, much larger impact on the deer and elk. Coyotes have more of an impact than bears do.
I hope that statement was a joke??? U have any idea how many fawns and calves are lost every spring to bears? I think it would astound u
I was thinking the same thing.
Post by: Bob33 on July 19, 2012, 07:19:52 AM
That was a lot of doughnuts :drool: I can see why there were 12 bears at a time.With that many doughnuts I'm surprised he didn't get busted sooner. I would have thought some of the local "finest" might have stopped by to visit. :chuckle:
He had to know that what he was doing was illegal. He deserves some serious consequences.
Post by: KenPCPilot on July 19, 2012, 07:52:20 AM
Suspended sentence.... BS. On 14 counts.... double BS.I must be jaded. It seems like our justice system has a problem with issuing and applying due punishment for crooks nowadays. A 5 years suspension of hunting????? Why is it not lifetime? At least the envidence seems to inidicate a willful and habitual violation of the game law. Time for his ass to not ever that the privilage of hunting that I live for. This is the kind of crap that antihunters love to associate *censored*s like this guy with the rest of us law abiding hunters. Good job catching the guy pretty bad job punishing him.
Post by: seth30 on July 19, 2012, 07:55:07 AM
Post by: Russ McDonald on July 19, 2012, 05:04:16 PM
This is a picture from a trail cam posted on Redneck Hunting Blinds Facebook page. Proof right there. Don't think it is in Washington but stillNot that this was right in anyway shape or form but I think is BS we cant bait bears in Wa. The blues is COVERED with bears and with only a handfull of tags for a spring hunt there is only gonna be more and more and less and less Elk and Deer. Not to mention the WOLVES! Or very large coyotes! (story to that)
Bears do not have that big of an impact on deer and elk. Wolves have a much, much larger impact on the deer and elk. Coyotes have more of an impact than bears do.
I hope that statement was a joke??? U have any idea how many fawns and calves are lost every spring to bears? I think it would astound u
I was thinking the same thing.
Post by: palousemoose on July 19, 2012, 05:20:29 PM
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on July 19, 2012, 05:53:52 PM
Post by: Biggerhammer on July 19, 2012, 05:58:18 PM
Not that this was right in anyway shape or form but I think is BS we cant bait bears in Wa. The blues is COVERED with bears and with only a handfull of tags for a spring hunt there is only gonna be more and more and less and less Elk and Deer. Not to mention the WOLVES! Or very large coyotes! (story to that)
Bears do not have that big of an impact on deer and elk. Wolves have a much, much larger impact on the deer and elk. Coyotes have more of an impact than bears do.
Bears here in Central Washington are calf elk butchers along with the big cats.
Post by: KFhunter on July 19, 2012, 06:12:43 PM
This is a picture from a trail cam posted on Redneck Hunting Blinds Facebook page. Proof right there. Don't think it is in Washington but stillNot that this was right in anyway shape or form but I think is BS we cant bait bears in Wa. The blues is COVERED with bears and with only a handfull of tags for a spring hunt there is only gonna be more and more and less and less Elk and Deer. Not to mention the WOLVES! Or very large coyotes! (story to that)
Bears do not have that big of an impact on deer and elk. Wolves have a much, much larger impact on the deer and elk. Coyotes have more of an impact than bears do.
I hope that statement was a joke??? U have any idea how many fawns and calves are lost every spring to bears? I think it would astound u
I was thinking the same thing.
You're both right - bears and coyote are hard on deer. There are one helluva lot of bear and coyote too.
BUT
Per capita - bear and coyote can't hold a candle to wolves.
The problem is when you combine all those things that kill our wild ungulates they can't keep up - they were loosing ground just to bears and yotes and hunters, add in wolves and the scale is tipped bad.
Post by: bobcat on July 19, 2012, 06:18:33 PM
No, he should not have done what he did. I'm not saying that. But I do feel the penalties were sufficient.
Post by: Turner89 on July 19, 2012, 06:53:45 PM
I came close to getting my a$$ kicked by a bear when I accidently came between him and the fawn that he had just taken out. In the spring bears are hungry and fawns are farely easy.Not that this was right in anyway shape or form but I think is BS we cant bait bears in Wa. The blues is COVERED with bears and with only a handfull of tags for a spring hunt there is only gonna be more and more and less and less Elk and Deer. Not to mention the WOLVES! Or very large coyotes! (story to that)I beleive bating bears is the most humane way to take a bear.
Bears do not have that big of an impact on deer and elk. Wolves have a much, much larger impact on the deer and elk. Coyotes have more of an impact than bears do.
Post by: arguhl on July 24, 2012, 11:46:12 PM
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Post by: DBHAWTHORNE on July 25, 2012, 06:12:02 AM
Not that this was right in anyway shape or form but I think is BS we cant bait bears in Wa. The blues is COVERED with bears and with only a handfull of tags for a spring hunt there is only gonna be more and more and less and less Elk and Deer. Not to mention the WOLVES! Or very large coyotes! (story to that)
Bears do not have that big of an impact on deer and elk. Wolves have a much, much larger impact on the deer and elk. Coyotes have more of an impact than bears do.
Bears here in Central Washington are calf elk butchers along with the big cats.
:yeah:
They destroy fawns and calves.
Post by: DBHAWTHORNE on July 25, 2012, 06:15:24 AM
You know your screwed when both side turn on you :chuckle: :chuckle: I agree baiting should be legal but it isn't so we don't do it. Those that break the law are criminals. You can't pick and choose what laws you will fallow. It just seems that black and white to me
The freedoms our country has (and used to have) exists/existed because a few good men decided to not follow the law. :twocents: (not suggesting this is one of those situations but it's much to "black and white" for me personally to make such a wide sweeping statement about laws.........civil disobedience can often be a good thing...it should happen more often...again not directly refrencing this particular scenario)
Post by: buckfvr on July 25, 2012, 07:34:32 AM
Bears , among other predators, can be managed with a quota system......quota is reached, end of season. Its not like baiting bear will eliminate them. Baiting is alot of work to do it right. Not all hunters have the time or are willing to put forth the effort to bait.
I personally, am tired of politicians and those that think they know whats best for the rest of us. We are over managed and suffocated with the burden of obeying laws that shouldnt be.
Post by: pianoman9701 on July 25, 2012, 09:22:06 AM
QuoteOfficers say Erickson is a guy who should've known better. He worked as a manager at the Cabela's in Lacey, and should be well-versed the law against bear baiting.
Really?
Just because he manages a retail outlet he is supposed to know game laws? What a stupid statement.
I agree. Because he hunts he should know the rules. Glad they busted him, too. He broke them.
Post by: Huntbear on July 25, 2012, 09:32:21 AM
My thoughts on this, if you have a tag and the season is open, it should be up to the individual as to how he hunts.......not some non-hunter/anti hunter group that has a politician writing laws for them.
Bears , among other predators, can be managed with a quota system......quota is reached, end of season. Its not like baiting bear will eliminate them. Baiting is alot of work to do it right. Not all hunters have the time or are willing to put forth the effort to bait.
I personally, am tired of politicians and those that think they know whats best for the rest of us. We are over managed and suffocated with the burden of obeying laws that shouldnt be.
Well you are preaching to the choir here... maybe get an initiative written and get it on the ballot next year to over turn the baiting laws?????? :dunno: :dunno:
Post by: pianoman9701 on July 25, 2012, 09:40:03 AM
I'd say his sentence was pretty stiff. He lost his hunting rights for 5 years, got 6 days in jail, lost a 2007 Suburban, and paid over $12,000 in penalties, fees, and fines. All for doing something that shouldn't even be against the law. And not only that, but does the WDFW even have any proof that he killed bears with the use of bait? Apparently they didn't, as they dropped the majority of the charges. Yes they have photos of a bait pile, and photos of dead bears, but where's the proof that the bait was used in killing the bears?
No, he should not have done what he did. I'm not saying that. But I do feel the penalties were sufficient.
But it is against the law and justifying his actions with this argument is fodder for the antis to say that hunters do what they want, regardless of laws.
If you don't like the laws, you can try and change them. But breaking laws you don't agree with is on you. As a hunter who fights regularly to retain my privileges and rights, I will stay beyond reproach or lose any credibility when it comes to calling the antis out on the carpet for a duel. Give them nothing.
Post by: bobcat on July 25, 2012, 09:50:29 AM
I'd say his sentence was pretty stiff. He lost his hunting rights for 5 years, got 6 days in jail, lost a 2007 Suburban, and paid over $12,000 in penalties, fees, and fines. All for doing something that shouldn't even be against the law. And not only that, but does the WDFW even have any proof that he killed bears with the use of bait? Apparently they didn't, as they dropped the majority of the charges. Yes they have photos of a bait pile, and photos of dead bears, but where's the proof that the bait was used in killing the bears?
No, he should not have done what he did. I'm not saying that. But I do feel the penalties were sufficient.
But it is against the law and justifying his actions with this argument is fodder for the antis to say that hunters do what they want, regardless of laws.
If you don't like the laws, you can try and change them. But breaking laws you don't agree with is on you. As a hunter who fights regularly to retain my privileges and rights, I will stay beyond reproach or lose any credibility when it comes to calling the antis out on the carpet for a duel. Give them nothing.
I wasn't trying to justify his actions, only trying to point out that the penalties he received were more than sufficient.
(since it seems many were saying that they let him off too easy)
Post by: Curly on July 25, 2012, 09:57:25 AM
Post by: pianoman9701 on July 25, 2012, 09:59:53 AM
I'd say his sentence was pretty stiff. He lost his hunting rights for 5 years, got 6 days in jail, lost a 2007 Suburban, and paid over $12,000 in penalties, fees, and fines. All for doing something that shouldn't even be against the law. And not only that, but does the WDFW even have any proof that he killed bears with the use of bait? Apparently they didn't, as they dropped the majority of the charges. Yes they have photos of a bait pile, and photos of dead bears, but where's the proof that the bait was used in killing the bears?
No, he should not have done what he did. I'm not saying that. But I do feel the penalties were sufficient.
But it is against the law and justifying his actions with this argument is fodder for the antis to say that hunters do what they want, regardless of laws.
If you don't like the laws, you can try and change them. But breaking laws you don't agree with is on you. As a hunter who fights regularly to retain my privileges and rights, I will stay beyond reproach or lose any credibility when it comes to calling the antis out on the carpet for a duel. Give them nothing.
I wasn't trying to justify his actions, only trying to point out that the penalties he received were more than sufficient.
(since it seems many were saying that they let him off too easy)
:tup: Thanks for the clarification, BC.
Post by: Curly on July 25, 2012, 10:06:38 AM
Post by: opdinkslayer on July 28, 2012, 07:41:31 AM
Post by: Bob33 on July 28, 2012, 08:00:56 AM
"Taking his bear easily from the adirondack chair off the back of the cabin," says Officer Dan Christensen with the Department of Fish and Wildlife. "We had at one time 12 bears coming into this site."
Video and pictures from a trail camera Erickson set up off the back porch of his cabin captured bears' every move and every meal. He and other friends and family used the footage to stalk and often kill bears right in his own back yard.
"They had a chair that they kind of designated the bear hunting chair," says Christensen. "It's kind of a fair chase issue."