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Big Game Hunting => Other Big Game => Topic started by: SHOOTER56 on July 19, 2012, 12:15:14 PM

Title: Not really a youth moose tag!!
Post by: SHOOTER56 on July 19, 2012, 12:15:14 PM: My buddy's boy was 15 when he put in for youth hunts. He ended up drawing a klickatat any buck youth hunt and a cow moose tag in MT Spokane. He got the deer tag in the mail and didn't get the moose tag. In the mean time he turned 16 before receiving the moose tag and now has to pay full adult price for his youth moose hunt.

Is this right????? sounds like something washington would do but just looking to see what you guys have to say about this. :dunno:
Title: Re: Not really a youth moose tag!!
Post by: jackmaster on July 19, 2012, 12:19:22 PM: that aint right, but it wouldnt suprise me here in washington, way to mess over the young hunter, thats a hell of way to get a young hunter started, thanks wdfw, hopefully they will fix it, now if they dont does that mean this young fella cant put in for moose again or does that only happen when an adult draws a any moose tag?
Title: Re: Not really a youth moose tag!!
Post by: bobcat on July 19, 2012, 12:25:10 PM: Why did he wait to receive the permit in the mail? He shouldn't have needed that to go online and pay for the tag.

Looks like that was a $275 mistake. :o

He might want to try calling the WDFW office in Olympia and see if they will make an exception and give him the youth price, even though he is no longer qualified for it.
Title: Re: Not really a youth moose tag!!
Post by: Curly on July 19, 2012, 12:32:18 PM: That is b.s. If it is a youth permit, he should pay youth prices! He should make a stink about it.
Title: Re: Not really a youth moose tag!!
Post by: Bob33 on July 19, 2012, 12:32:50 PM: "A "youth" is defined as a resident or non-resident under 16 years of age at the time of license purchase."

It does work both ways. A 15 could buy a youth license or tag, and hunt with it at age 16.
Title: Re: Not really a youth moose tag!!
Post by: deerhunterdes13 on July 19, 2012, 12:41:43 PM: That's not right, I turned 16 in Sept. Before hunting season started. I was able to purchase and submit youth tags because I bought my license in the summer when I was 15. You have a youth tag you should be able to pay for a youth tag.
Title: Re: Not really a youth moose tag!!
Post by: bobcat on July 19, 2012, 12:42:16 PM: Quote from: Curly on July 19, 2012, 12:32:18 PM
That is b.s. If it is a youth permit, he should pay youth prices! He should make a stink about it.

Why, when he screwed up by not purchasing the tag before he turned 16? It's not the WDFW's fault. The youth price is for people under the age of 16. He is not, therefore he pays full price. Even at $332 for the tag, it's the cheapest moose hunt he'll ever experience.
Title: Re: Not really a youth moose tag!!
Post by: BULLBLASTER on July 19, 2012, 12:48:50 PM: +1 bobcat! Should have bought the tag before turning 16. If not at least count your blessings by at least being able to use up the youth points that will not be useable anymore anyways. $330 or whatever the tag costs is well worth it for a moos IMO. buy the tag and enjoy the opportunity... he may never get to hunt moose in Aaron again!
Title: Re: Not really a youth moose tag!!
Post by: Curly on July 19, 2012, 12:50:53 PM: Just doesn't seem right. I know technically per the rules, he has to pay the adult price, but it doesn't seem right to me.

I guess if there is a youth that applies for a youth moose permit and his birthday is real close to the draw date, it would really suck if the draw happened one day after his/her 16th bday. :o And they would then be required to pay the adult price..............

I guess that is just the way things go sometimes in life..........
Title: Re: Not really a youth moose tag!!
Post by: WSU on July 19, 2012, 12:57:15 PM: It doesn't seem that technical to me. You pay the youth price when you are a youth and pay the adult price when you are an adult.
Title: Re: Not really a youth moose tag!!
Post by: elkoholic1 on July 19, 2012, 12:57:26 PM: you couldn't just go on line and buy it you had to wait for them to send you your green card with instructions to send check or money order along with your confirmation card to receive your tag.... at least this is how i had to get mine...
Title: Re: Not really a youth moose tag!!
Post by: smdave on July 19, 2012, 01:20:48 PM: I would just pay and not make any waves chock it up as one of those life lessons. If you fight it they might say well he is now 16 and can not hunt this hunt.
Title: Re: Not really a youth moose tag!!
Post by: KopperBuck on July 19, 2012, 01:32:34 PM: Not a fan of it either.
Title: Re: Not really a youth moose tag!!
Post by: buckhorn2 on July 19, 2012, 01:41:19 PM: There was a big time lapse between learning he received a permit and more time between that until he got the card notification and then had to wait some more before until they said to send money, I am sure he will pay the money and have a great hunt but If he drew the tag when 15 he shoud pay the youth tag the state already got the rest of us let the kids go.
Title: Re: Not really a youth moose tag!!
Post by: bosshogg112 on July 19, 2012, 02:24:55 PM: Quote from: bobcat on July 19, 2012, 12:42:16 PM
Quote from: Curly on July 19, 2012, 12:32:18 PM
That is b.s. If it is a youth permit, he should pay youth prices! He should make a stink about it.

Why, when he screwed up by not purchasing the tag before he turned 16? It's not the WDFW's fault. The youth price is for people under the age of 16. He is not, therefore he pays full price. Even at $332 for the tag, it's the cheapest moose hunt he'll ever experience.

this is one of those life lessons that will pop up from time to time. dont put of until tomorrow what can be done today. it still does suck though.
Title: Re: Not really a youth moose tag!!
Post by: SHOOTER56 on July 19, 2012, 02:42:03 PM: bobcat: he couldn't purchase the tag be for he turned 16 because he hadn't received it in the mail to pay for it yet. He did get his any buck tag be for he was 16 and payed youth prices for that but the moose tag took longer to get in the mail so he had no way of paying for it be for his birthday. You don't just stroll down to the corner store and buy a moose tag in this state. you have to get it in the mail then mail your money to WDFW then you get your tag in the mail. He did every thing he could as soon as he could. NOT HIS FAULT!
Title: Re: Not really a youth moose tag!!
Post by: dreamingbig on July 19, 2012, 02:45:30 PM: I didn't think you needed the card before you purchased the OIL tags. I thought you could buy them online after the drawing was certified. :dunno:
Title: Re: Not really a youth moose tag!!
Post by: bobcat on July 19, 2012, 02:47:59 PM: OK, well sorry if I mis-spoke. My dad drew an antlerless moose tag 6 years ago and I thought he was able to purchase it online just like anything else, but I could be remembering that wrong. It wouldn't be the first time! Unfortunately, I have not been in the position of purchasing a OIL tag myself. So I definitely can't say with 100% certainty how it works.

Either way, he should have known with his birthday being right in the mix of things, that purchasing the tag after he turned 16 was a possibility. And that's the rules. I suppose if it isn't worth the $332 to him, he could declinle it and it would then go to an alternate.
Title: Re: Not really a youth moose tag!!
Post by: jackmaster on July 19, 2012, 03:25:59 PM: i bet when you talk to the wdfw they will fix it, i hardly ever agree with the stuff they do but the year my son who was a youth at the time drew a dilver dollar ranch youth any elk tag, well you had to wait for a phone call before you got to hunt, well the elk never came off the hanford res so he never got a phonecall, well after the season the wdfw calls and said since he didnt atleasdt get a phone we are giving him his points back, that was pretty awesome of them and it was somethn they didnt have to do, so i am guessing but i bet they make it right :tup:
Title: Re: Not really a youth moose tag!!
Post by: buckhorn2 on July 19, 2012, 03:32:53 PM: I just got my grandsons moose tag in the mail today and we sent in as soon as possible. It;s not like the other permits moose takes time for them to issue you cards before you can send in. I have talked with him he has already scouted and has his place to stay so he will hunt. My feeling was if he drew as a youth he is a youth should be penalized by how long the state takes to issue the tag but thats just my 2 cents.
Title: Re: Not really a youth moose tag!!
Post by: elkoholic1 on July 19, 2012, 03:41:45 PM: :yeah:
Title: Re: Not really a youth moose tag!!
Post by: Curly on July 19, 2012, 03:42:07 PM: Quote from: buckhorn2 on July 19, 2012, 03:32:53 PM
My feeling was if he drew as a youth he is a youth should be penalized by how long the state takes to issue the tag but thats just my 2 cents.
:yeah:
Title: Re: Not really a youth moose tag!!
Post by: runamuk on July 19, 2012, 04:39:10 PM: Quote from: Curly on July 19, 2012, 03:42:07 PM
Quote from: buckhorn2 on July 19, 2012, 03:32:53 PM
My feeling was if he drew as a youth he is a youth should be penalized by how long the state takes to issue the tag but thats just my 2 cents.
:yeah:
x2 or x3 its not the kids fault the state didn't get him the things he needed to purchase his tag before his birthday, if thats the case well no one with a summer birthday should put in for tags for their kids the year they are gonna turn 16 :dunno: :dunno:
Title: Re: Not really a youth moose tag!!
Post by: Huntbear on July 19, 2012, 04:40:17 PM: Quote from: Curly on July 19, 2012, 03:42:07 PM
Quote from: buckhorn2 on July 19, 2012, 03:32:53 PM
My feeling was if he drew as a youth he is a youth should be penalized by how long the state takes to issue the tag but thats just my 2 cents.
:yeah:

x100 here... WDFW again are just being money whores... I would start with my local office, and then go clear to Olympia, and tell them at every step that 7-8000 voting/license buying hunters are watching this with intense interest, to see how they handle it... or do they enjoy screwing the youth hunters?????
Title: Re: Not really a youth moose tag!!
Post by: Scottystyle on July 19, 2012, 06:21:22 PM: Im probably gonna get shellacked here for playing devils advocate, but I see a lot of people complaining about WDFW screwing them over, including myself from time to time. One of the few times I get to witness them playing by thier set rules.... And people are still getting screwed over. Ya its a bummer deal, but its in the regulations. My 2¢, pay the few extra bucks.... Chances are the kid will never draw one again in this state..... And at adult prices or not..... Its a bargain!
Title: Re: Not really a youth moose tag!!
Post by: jackmaster on July 20, 2012, 06:43:03 AM: Quote from: Scottystyle on July 19, 2012, 06:21:22 PM
Im probably gonna get shellacked here for playing devils advocate, but I see a lot of people complaining about WDFW screwing them over, including myself from time to time. One of the few times I get to witness them playing by thier set rules.... And people are still getting screwed over. Ya its a bummer deal, but its in the regulations. My 2¢, pay the few extra bucks.... Chances are the kid will never draw one again in this state..... And at adult prices or not..... Its a bargain!
your missn the point, it isnt the kids fault that the game department messed around and screwed around until his bday,like i said before i am bettn that when they call the game dept, will get it squared away
Title: Re: Not really a youth moose tag!!
Post by: Scottystyle on July 20, 2012, 07:54:32 AM: Im pretty sure the WDFW got together and out of the thousands of liscencees the said " Lets totaly screw this kid over and send his stuff after his birthday! " Its in the regulations..... Which is the individuals responsibility to read and know. It is what it is, get over it.
Title: Re: Not really a youth moose tag!!
Post by: runamuk on July 20, 2012, 08:14:16 AM: The kid had his hunting licenses before he had his birthday the tag is a "youth" tag it should remain youth priced. I would agree with tough nuts if they were buying over the counter tags and simply didn't get there in time....but this is tags already purchased special draws with special rules, so in this instance I think wdfw screwed up and should fix it and they have in other instances so....
Title: Re: Not really a youth moose tag!!
Post by: Scottystyle on July 20, 2012, 09:22:23 AM: Either way, hope the kid has an awesome hunt for sure
Title: Re: Not really a youth moose tag!!
Post by: bosshogg112 on July 20, 2012, 10:00:34 AM: Quote from: Scottystyle on July 20, 2012, 09:22:23 AM
Either way, hope the kid has an awesome hunt for sure

:yeah: dont let this ruin the awesome experience!!!
Title: Re: Not really a youth moose tag!!
Post by: bobcat on July 20, 2012, 10:09:01 AM: I don't think it can be said that the WDFW "screwed up." They haven't done anything yet! Just due to the circumstances, this 16 year old kid drew a moose permit and now has to purchase the tag, for which the system is set up for him to pay the regular price. If he wants a special exemption, then he needs to call the WDFW and ask if they can do so.
Title: Re: Not really a youth moose tag!!
Post by: buckhorn2 on July 20, 2012, 10:17:33 AM: Your right but it somehow feels wrong.