Post by: poulsbo on August 14, 2008, 09:56:37 PM
Post by: MountainWalk on August 14, 2008, 10:14:48 PM
Post by: littletoes on August 19, 2008, 08:27:39 PM
I've got a Remmy with a factory tube I'll put up against your chinese vanguards....... :P
I've got a range that goes to 850 yards just up the road, 600 is easily obtainable.
(I will admit the vanguards are well built rifles though!)
Post by: bobcat on August 19, 2008, 08:28:57 PM
Post by: Antlershed on August 19, 2008, 08:29:48 PM
Post by: Ray on August 19, 2008, 08:30:36 PM
Post by: boneaddict on August 19, 2008, 08:34:04 PM
Post by: bobcat on August 19, 2008, 08:40:08 PM
The only negative, and it's only a personal preference really, is that the Vanguard is a little on the heavy side. My gunsmith set mine on his scale and it was right at 8 1/2 pounds. That's with the scope, but still probably a half pound to a pound heavier than most other similar rifles. But I personally like a heavy rifle so no problem for me.
Post by: Ray on August 19, 2008, 08:43:02 PM
Post by: bobcat on August 19, 2008, 08:46:26 PM
Post by: actionshooter on August 19, 2008, 08:55:47 PM
Interesting. I think my next rifle is gonna be a Sako or Kimber anyway.
Me too
Post by: jackelope on August 19, 2008, 10:39:44 PM
8/14/08
Weatherby Vanguard models can now be found for as low as $399 ―the lowest price in years. And to help educate hunters and shooters about the rifles, Weatherby has launched the Web site http://www.399Weatherby.com.
At http://www.399weatherby.com hunters and shooters can narrow down their ideal Vanguard based on caliber, type of hunting, stock options, finish and more. They can also see a direct comparison to other manufacturers' rifles.
Vanguards remain the only production rifles to come with a factory-shot target and accuracy guarantee of a 1 ½-inch or better 3-shot group from a cold barrel at 100 yards with premium (non-Weatherby calibers) or Weatherby factory ammunition.
"No other firearm manufacturer backs up their accuracy guarantee with a target," said Brad Ruddell, Weatherby vice president of sales and marketing. "The factory-shot target included with every new Weatherby rifle lets hunters and shooters know that their rifle is accurate straight out of the box."
Prior to shipping the rifles' actions are scoped and bore sighted. They are then test fired to ensure that they meet Weatherby's accuracy guarantee. The scope is removed, and the barreled action is cleaned.
"We're dedicated to giving our customers the best shooting experience possible," said Ruddell. "Tuned triggers and test firing are time consuming, and can be expensive if an owner has a gunsmith handle it. We take the necessary steps to guarantee each rifle's accuracy-an incredible value considering prices on new Vanguards are as low as $399."
Vanguards are available in 16 different calibers, including .257 and .300 Weatherby Magnums. The rifles range in weight from 6 ¾ pounds to 8 ¼ pounds. The Vanguard line includes Synthetic (the $399 model), Stainless, Youth/Compact, Sporter, Sporter SS, Varmint Special, SUB-MOA Matte and Stainless, SUB-MOA Varmint, Deluxe and custom models.
Founded in 1945, Weatherby, Inc.'s line features the popular Vanguard® and legendary Mark V® rifles, over/under and side-by-side shotguns in the classic Athena® and Orion® lines, semi-auto and pump shotguns, premium ammunition and security/shooting accessories. The company is based in Paso Robles, Calif., and invites all hunters and shooters to visit and join its free online community at http://www.weatherbynation.com.
Media Contact:
Bradley C. Ruddell, Vice President of Sales & Marketing, (805) 227-2600
Post by: jackelope on August 19, 2008, 10:41:19 PM
i might grab up one of these vanguards...almost did a while back in 257 weatherby mag, but decided not to spend the money at the time.
Post by: Ray on August 19, 2008, 11:00:57 PM
Post by: rainshadow1 on August 19, 2008, 11:03:46 PM
Post by: Sagedawg on August 20, 2008, 07:33:26 AM
Sage
Post by: Intruder on August 20, 2008, 08:12:01 AM
I know 3 guys who have owned the Mark rifles and they didn't have much good to say about em... 2 of em thought they were OK, 1 guy flat hated his.
Post by: bobcat on August 20, 2008, 08:55:19 AM
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0BQY/is_3_50/ai_112646119
Post by: bucklucky on August 20, 2008, 09:01:32 AM
Post by: tlbradford on August 20, 2008, 09:06:08 AM
Post by: Sagedawg on August 20, 2008, 02:58:16 PM
Sage
Post by: poulsbo on August 21, 2008, 07:37:18 PM
Post by: jackelope on August 21, 2008, 08:01:17 PM
Post by: 257 Wby Mag on August 21, 2008, 08:16:44 PM
I know the major difference was 2-lugs vs 7-lugs on the bolt. I loved my Vanguard. It was my first deer sized rifle in .25-06 and it was a shooter. It was the older generation manufactured in Japan with the fancy stock and it was heavy. I used that rifle for deer, elk, and coyotes until it was stolen a few years ago. One day I will replace it just to have one to shoot. The way I use my hunting rifles though I am sure a fan of synthetic stocks.Vanguards have 2 lugs, Mark V Weatherby Magnums, except the 240, have 9 lugs, the 240 and rem and win mags, 270, 30-06,etc have 6 lugs.
Some hate em, some love em, kinda like binocs,scopes, trucks or women. If you're gonna go custom, model 700 is THE way to go. Matter of fact, I picked up a older ADL the other day in 30-06 for my 240 Weatherby donar.
Lets see some factory Remington mountain rifle's that'll group 5 factory loaded rounds like this.. grin...
Post by: littletoes on August 21, 2008, 08:40:18 PM
Bucklucky-The Smith & Wesson model 1500 was built by Howa. I bought one for my dad, and it was a true bare-cat to find a load it would shoot. Its caliber was 30-06, and the load I finaly settled on was a 165 grn Nosler BT pushed by IMR 4350. It is a true Monster to clean. It must have the roughest barrel I have ever seen, and I'm not sure I have ever gotten a truly clean patch out of it, and thats after 100+ patches, with brushings in between. I'm not just saying this, it is an honest assesment.
Weatherby contracted Howa to build an inexpensive rifle that would bare the Weatherby Name, but much cheaper so that it could produce a product that would "reach" the general public.
Weatherby's Mark V action has NINE locking lugs in the magnum length action, not seven.
Post by: Bofire on August 21, 2008, 08:47:25 PM
True some old Browns were built in Belgium, those are of much higher quality than the Japanese ones, and some ole Weatherbys were built in Europe, most of those were standard cartridges, many built on a 98 Mauser action.
OK Let the beating and stories begin!! I been beat and lied to before!! LOL :)
Carl
Post by: littletoes on August 21, 2008, 09:01:33 PM
Bofire, you iz right, Weatherby does have the most freebore I've seen in a production rifle...LOTS & MORE, but lets not believe for a second that nobody else does it, they all do it, EXCEPT custom rigs.
And lets not forget the testing that Roy did for the military, producing ballistics in excess of 6000 fps, all in the 40's (I think, could be off a bit here!).
He sold rifles.......what do you think he was in business for???
Post by: Bofire on August 22, 2008, 07:05:31 AM
Post by: JoeVon on August 22, 2008, 08:00:33 AM
I know the major difference was 2-lugs vs 7-lugs on the bolt. I loved my Vanguard. It was my first deer sized rifle in .25-06 and it was a shooter. It was the older generation manufactured in Japan with the fancy stock and it was heavy. I used that rifle for deer, elk, and coyotes until it was stolen a few years ago. One day I will replace it just to have one to shoot. The way I use my hunting rifles though I am sure a fan of synthetic stocks.Vanguards have 2 lugs, Mark V Weatherby Magnums, except the 240, have 9 lugs, the 240 and rem and win mags, 270, 30-06,etc have 6 lugs.
Some hate em, some love em, kinda like binocs,scopes, trucks or women. If you're gonna go custom, model 700 is THE way to go. Matter of fact, I picked up a older ADL the other day in 30-06 for my 240 Weatherby donar.
Lets see some factory Remington mountain rifle's that'll group 5 factory loaded rounds like this.. grin...
Stinkin Weatherby Sympathizer....I've got a factory Remmie that'll give your Roy Toy a run for its money....I'll bring it when I come up.
Post by: tlbradford on August 22, 2008, 08:01:12 AM
Post by: littletoes on August 22, 2008, 08:29:34 AM
Weatherby was one of the first to come out with the fluted barrel design, which is copied now by the Remington Sendero, and several others. Very inovative, it creates more surface area, creating a better cooling sorface, not to mention its COOL.
Several of my friends have Tactical rifles that have this same design, worth a few thousand dollars. Most are GAP's and Surgeon's, but there are other manufactures there also.
What I'm thinking, it would take a talented 'Smith, but I'm wondering if the Mark V action would make a great .338 Lapua? I haven't looked at the bolt faces of either cartrige, and the Weatherby action IS one of the strongest going, with an insanely over-kill bolt.
Why not customize one? Just find a smith with talent enough to WANT to tackle it! Oh, and have the money....... ;)
Post by: WDFW-SUX on August 22, 2008, 08:44:38 AM
http://www.weaverrifles.com/Rifles/30-378Weatherby/30-378Weatherby.htm
Post by: jeepasaurusrex on August 22, 2008, 09:44:03 AM
:mgun2:
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffarm1.static.flickr.com%2F31%2F57040196_f69b1e0545_o.jpg&hash=bd93e153ddce7c7ab648e7d46a9da3a673f0b52f)
Post by: 257 Wby Mag on August 22, 2008, 09:56:26 AM
I know the major difference was 2-lugs vs 7-lugs on the bolt. I loved my Vanguard. It was my first deer sized rifle in .25-06 and it was a shooter. It was the older generation manufactured in Japan with the fancy stock and it was heavy. I used that rifle for deer, elk, and coyotes until it was stolen a few years ago. One day I will replace it just to have one to shoot. The way I use my hunting rifles though I am sure a fan of synthetic stocks.Vanguards have 2 lugs, Mark V Weatherby Magnums, except the 240, have 9 lugs, the 240 and rem and win mags, 270, 30-06,etc have 6 lugs.
Some hate em, some love em, kinda like binocs,scopes, trucks or women. If you're gonna go custom, model 700 is THE way to go. Matter of fact, I picked up a older ADL the other day in 30-06 for my 240 Weatherby donar.
Lets see some factory Remington mountain rifle's that'll group 5 factory loaded rounds like this.. grin...
Stinkin Weatherby Sympathizer....I've got a factory Remmie that'll give your Roy Toy a run for its money....I'll bring it when I come up.
Roy Toy!!! Thats a goodun Joe!! I've had a couple remingtons that are nippin on its heals too... Your gonna be chasin bulls here pretty quick huh? Later
Post by: Bofire on August 22, 2008, 08:00:13 PM
If I were to do another custom rifle tomorrow it would be on a Remington 700 action or one of the custom actions( there are lots of them), the Mark 5 action is marketing at its best, insanely strong?? not. Most two lug actions are far superior.
Carl
Post by: FOsteology on August 22, 2008, 10:27:44 PM
Post by: littletoes on August 22, 2008, 11:37:45 PM
ah, perhaps...but there are a few three and four lug actions out there doing some amazing things, but you would have to read about what they are doing in europe to know.
Don't dicount the Weatherby, it has no problem containing the 378, or 460. Imagine if you will, not having nine, but three larger, thicker lugs?
I agree with what you say, about the "hype", but the action is strong, not the strongest, I think that nomination goes to the jap rifle of ww II.
Make it easy? Lap the lugs in, have 100% contact. It just takes time.
Post by: MountainWalk on August 23, 2008, 12:02:50 AM
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Post by: jdb on August 23, 2008, 09:09:24 AM
Post by: 257 Wby Mag on August 23, 2008, 10:40:54 AM
The Arisaka type 99 is quite brutally strong, but also brutally ugly and clumsy. I don't think you could pay me to buy a Mark 5? action.
Now we all have our opinions, but that, is probally the most idiotic thing you've wrote!! Correct me if I'm wrong, but I doubt people are gonna be waiting in line to pay you, to take a Mark V action. Stick to your 03A3's, enfeilds,Ariska's, blah, blah, blah.
Post by: MountainWalk on August 23, 2008, 12:23:11 PM
For the record I like Rugers, Mausers and Savages. blah blah blah.
Post by: 257 Wby Mag on August 23, 2008, 12:44:30 PM
Awefully touchy aren't we 257? Guess you never heard of a figure of speech? No?
For the record I like Rugers, Mausers and Savages. blah blah blah.
And thats fine, but to say you wouldn't have one if somebody GAVE you one?? So, since you have so much experience with the Mark V action, whats wrong with it? I want to hear from YOUR own experiences, not something you googled or read outta Feild and Stream...
Post by: MountainWalk on August 23, 2008, 12:48:45 PM
All the WBY's Ive ever handled were way too heavy. I really am not a fan of the extra full pistol grip, nor the 45 degree fore end tips. I also don't like the racey "CAlifornina" style stocks. They cost way too much to not get much extra. That, and I'm just not a fan of WBY calibers. Satisfactory?
Im not much into "accurizing" rifles. I don't buy rifles to do tons of work on them. Factory rifles suit me fine. The teeniest tiniest groups dont really excite me either. I like good solid from the factory hunting accuracy. Now if I were to build one of these types rifles, I wouldnt start with a WBY.
Now, if someone paid me to have one, I would immediatly sell it to someone who liked them.
Post by: 257 Wby Mag on August 23, 2008, 01:14:22 PM
Post by: MountainWalk on August 23, 2008, 02:54:52 PM
Personally, Im not made of money, and really can't afford a WBY. If I could, I still wouldn't buy one. This is America. If you really love them, buy some more of them. That doesn't mean I have to.
For general purpose hunting rifles, brand new, I'll most always buy a Ruger. And have money left over for gas and ammo.
Post by: BC CHASER on August 23, 2008, 03:18:13 PM
Post by: 257 Wby Mag on August 23, 2008, 03:58:16 PM
Post by: BC CHASER on August 23, 2008, 04:29:57 PM
Post by: 257 Wby Mag on August 23, 2008, 04:49:49 PM
The pard had a Remington 700, 260. Best handloads were3'', contacted Remington, they said 3-31/2 was acceptable?? Maybe by somebody? Good and bad in all of em, atleast Weatherby has a 1 1/2'' guarantee....
Post by: BC CHASER on August 23, 2008, 04:52:35 PM
Post by: Red Dawg on August 23, 2008, 05:22:37 PM
Post by: MountainWalk on August 23, 2008, 05:39:32 PM
Post by: 257 Wby Mag on August 23, 2008, 05:51:23 PM
The 2 mark V's were not 1.5'' they were more like 12-14 no kidding!Did you contact em about it? One of the pards sent back a Ultra Lightweight, didn't shoot that bad. Sent it down to Weatherby, they sent it back fixed.
Post by: BC CHASER on August 23, 2008, 05:57:43 PM
Post by: poulsbo on August 23, 2008, 07:32:51 PM
Post by: 257 Wby Mag on August 23, 2008, 07:49:54 PM
have you ever tried to cycle a round through a pushfeed action upsidedown? as far as picking between a vanguard weatherby and the real weatherby i would take a vanguard everytime, i just think they are a good buy in a rifle.Why would I do that? Or anybody for that matter? Yes, Vanguards are a good value.....
Post by: jdb on August 23, 2008, 07:57:58 PM
have you ever tried to cycle a round through a pushfeed action upsidedown? as far as picking between a vanguard weatherby and the real weatherby i would take a vanguard everytime, i just think they are a good buy in a rifle.Why would I do that? Or anybody for that matter? Amen to that brother :dunno:Inever could understand that reasoning
Post by: 257 Wby Mag on August 23, 2008, 08:02:51 PM
Post by: littletoes on August 23, 2008, 08:34:07 PM
i own five Remmy 700's, and have cycled multiple rounds through all of them, upside down, one side, then the other....pick another argument folks, that one ain't working, and holds no water.
Its an urban legend.
look, once again let me point out, Snipers since Vietnam have been using the Remmy 700....its a dependable action. Proven.
If we have likes/dislikes we can voice them....like grandpa says, if everyone liked the same thing, grandma wouldn't be safe!
If we want to say what is good/bad about remmy 700's as compared too Weatherby Mark V's or Vanguards, lets stick to the facts.....
YES, the weatherby bolt is about 1" in diameter..maybe a bit more, I can dig mine out and mike it if everyone wants....heavy-yes.
YES, the vanguard is a reliable, dependable rifle and its AFFORDABLE, that alone makes it a deal to own. As good if not better than the mausers, enfields (yes, these were proven not that accurate by the English, lets not beat this up).
The Remmy 700....where do I start???? Used by Snipers? Yep (M40, M24, several designations...). Used by more custom builders than any other factory action? Yep, and why? Its round....that makes it EASY to work on. Here's one that not many know...there was a recall several years ago, 35,000 rifles in fact...you see, the early 700's would go off "occasionaly" when you closed the bolt....your not telling me anything "I" don't already know. but *censored*.....IT SHOOTS. And it has more parts available than ANY other rifle out there.
What else is there to talk about or compare to the Remmy?
This is in fact taking NOTHING away from other makers.
Make your choice, and be happy=GO SHOOTIN' YOU BUMS!
:tung:
Post by: jackelope on August 23, 2008, 09:04:36 PM
Post by: 257 Wby Mag on August 23, 2008, 09:06:04 PM
Post by: 257 Wby Mag on August 23, 2008, 09:07:51 PM
chevy, ford or dodge?Exactly Jack!! I love mine, fits me good, shoots beyond belief, and *censored* hits the dirt when the trigger is pulled!!
Post by: jackelope on August 23, 2008, 09:11:17 PM
i have never owned a 700...tried to buy a couple, but got outbid more than i wanted to pay.
i own a-bolts, love them, own a savage model 10, love it, haven't really found one i don't like of decent quality.
Post by: 257 Wby Mag on August 23, 2008, 09:16:45 PM
Post by: jackelope on August 23, 2008, 09:19:00 PM
thoughts?
it'll be headed east for speedgoats next year too.
Post by: 257 Wby Mag on August 23, 2008, 09:24:30 PM
Post by: jackelope on August 23, 2008, 09:26:18 PM
Post by: bobcat on August 23, 2008, 09:34:07 PM
Post by: 257 Wby Mag on August 23, 2008, 09:59:44 PM
Nice job on the antelope, but my 270 Win. would have done the same thing! ;)
Ya a 22 Hornet would have done the same thing, so would a 700 Nitro Express!! grin...
Post by: coastalghost on August 24, 2008, 07:14:37 AM
Post by: SCRUBS on August 24, 2008, 06:31:21 PM
Post by: 257 Wby Mag on August 24, 2008, 08:57:32 PM
Nice goat! You paint tnat shootin iron yourself?Yep, it used to be light grey Brett, stained with blood too easy. grin...
Post by: 257 Wby Mag on August 24, 2008, 08:59:38 PM
Dandy goat Jud.....is that a 7mm in the picture? :chuckle:LOL, you know better than that Nelsy!! How ya been? Figured you were mad at me!! Been hammerin any summer runs? I'll call ya later in the week. Later dude
Post by: coastalghost on August 25, 2008, 05:05:15 PM