Post by: jaymark6655 on July 23, 2012, 10:41:15 AM
Post by: Button Nubbs on July 23, 2012, 10:42:52 AM
Post by: JimmyHoffa on July 23, 2012, 10:47:41 AM
Post by: JohnVH on July 23, 2012, 10:50:55 AM
Post by: PlateauNDN on July 23, 2012, 10:51:27 AM
Post by: PlateauNDN on July 23, 2012, 10:53:43 AM
my wife wants one pretty bad. But for the cost I cant justify it
:yike: :yike: :yike: Your wife wants one and you're not getting one?!?!??! If my wife wanted something like that I'd die of shock and then after I came back as a zombie I'd order one for her. :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: I'm having a tough sell with my wife on getting me some new gear and your wife wants one of these... :dunno: Some guys are just luckier than other. :chuckle:
Post by: Huntbear on July 23, 2012, 10:56:49 AM
Post by: JohnVH on July 23, 2012, 11:00:27 AM
my wife wants one pretty bad. But for the cost I cant justify it
:yike: :yike: :yike: Your wife wants one and you're not getting one?!?!??! If my wife wanted something like that I'd die of shock and then after I came back as a zombie I'd order one for her. :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: I'm having a tough sell with my wife on getting me some new gear and your wife wants one of these... :dunno: Some guys are just luckier than other. :chuckle:
haha yeah, she's been begging me for some time now. Need to get her her own 7mm mag for deer/bear this year first!
Post by: whacker1 on July 23, 2012, 11:18:09 AM
What sort of questions do you have? I may know a few of the answers, but also curious to see if you are asking questions I haven't thought of yet.
Post by: jaymark6655 on July 23, 2012, 11:27:24 AM
Hopefully I can convince my wife that we need one or maybe two if see wants it, John your lucky.
Price: Yeah they cost a lot at $1000 to $1200, but some people spend that much on their 1911.
Ammo: Selection is limited, but I like the 20 round mags and the ability to penetrate some body armor, but it doesnt over penetrate.
LOL, not hunting gang bangers. Love my .40 and my .45 and I always felt like they were plenty of gun, but with the North Bend robbery and the CO shooting, I am starting to question my selection.
Other than the question I posted in the first post, I don't have any others yet.
Would love to pick a Savage LR Hunter instead with that money, but I feel like I don't need it. I have three rifles, yet hunt with a bow.
Post by: whacker1 on July 23, 2012, 11:42:59 AM
Length 208 mm (8.2 in)[9]
Barrel length 122 mm (4.8 in)[9]
Width 36 mm (1.4 in)[9]
Height 137 mm (5.4 in)[
Similar length to a standard 1911.
Similar in heighth to a standard 1911
For comparison my other three choices
The Kimber Custom Carry II
Length 8.7 in
Height 5.3 inches
width 1.28 inches
The Kimber Pro Carry II
Length 7.7 inc
Height 5.25 inches
Width 1.28 inches
The Kimber Ultra Carry
Length 6.8 in
Height 4.75 in
width 1.28 in
So, it is a little wider, and definitely not small. I like the idea of it being light, fast round, low recoil, and I plan on hand loading so the options are fairly open once I have brass. I am still over a year out before i actually make the purchase. But I wanted something a little different.
Post by: jaymark6655 on July 23, 2012, 11:55:34 AM
Only thing I have found that worries me, it will not fire if the magazine is ejected. On a defensive handgun where there is the possibility of a struggle and losing the mag either while reloading or the BG somehow ejects it, this could cause some problems. Also, different safety postion, means one more thing to relearn.
Love the fact that it doesn't over penetrate.
Post by: firefighter4607 on July 23, 2012, 01:08:08 PM
They are fired at 1700-2050 feet per second, with only about 255 foot pounds of engery. They are fun guns to shoot, but the only reason why I would want one is because of its size and weight. It is easier to conseal than my S&W 9mm.
The five seven was the choice of the cartels for a while since they could hold 20 rounds. But they found out that the bullets weren't stopping once they hit flesh. The five seven was going thru people like a hot knife thru butter.
IMO they are great guns I would pack one around town but once in the woods I would pack the 9 or 45. I am saving up myself for one.
Post by: jaymark6655 on July 23, 2012, 01:20:59 PM
Just wondering who told you that they don't over penetrate?Shooting Elite Ammunition 5.7x28 (and .45acp) Into Clay (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Opphm-17JfA#ws)
They are fired at 1700-2050 feet per second, with only about 255 foot pounds of engery. They are fun guns to shoot, but the only reason why I would want one is because of its size and weight. It is easier to conseal than my S&W 9mm.
The five seven was the choice of the cartels for a while since they could hold 20 rounds. But they found out that the bullets weren't stopping once they hit flesh. The five seven was going thru people like a hot knife thru butter.
IMO they are great guns I would pack one around town but once in the woods I would pack the 9 or 45. I am saving up myself for one.
Also, read or saw on Discovery Channel somewhere (I forget where) that the secret service is starting to use this round because it tumbles when it enters a body and there is less chance of it hit the guy behind whoever they shoot.
Post by: NW-GSP on July 23, 2012, 01:32:16 PM
2000 feet per second with a 30gr bullet
5.7x28
2133 feet per second with a 30gr bullet
Post by: jaymark6655 on July 23, 2012, 02:07:53 PM
specs on a 22 magAre those 22 mag number from a rifle or can a pistol push that fast? Also, would like to point out that velocity has a huge affect on energy since that term is squared. Very interesting thought though, might be a cheaper option.
2000 feet per second with a 30gr bullet
5.7x28
2133 feet per second with a 30gr bullet
Post by: cwuwildcat on July 23, 2012, 02:27:30 PM
someone on here has one. cant remember who. they are cool, just way expensive.
My guess is Biggerhammer, with all the stuff he's been buying lately. He seems to have a couple of everything!
Post by: jrebel on July 23, 2012, 02:34:26 PM
Post by: jaymark6655 on July 23, 2012, 02:43:07 PM
I get that overpenatration is a concern...however in the case of the movie theater shooting, penetration is exactly what would have been needed. The shooter was wearing a bullet proof vest so a round that penetrates is the round that seems to be the best option. Or a .45 that carries enough ke to knock him on his butt. I have heard that the 5.7 will penetrate a tactical vest as long as there is no ballistic plate??? I have not confirmed this, but if it true the 5.7 would be a great round for active shooter situations. :dunno: :dunno:Yeah that is kind of my thinking here and yeah I am second guessing my carry gun. Other option is just keep shooting the guy until you get lucky or his armor breaks down. If nothing else, the hits he takes would hurt like hell or break bones.
Post by: firefighter4607 on July 23, 2012, 07:19:04 PM
Post by: NW-GSP on July 23, 2012, 07:26:37 PM
Post by: actionshooter on July 23, 2012, 07:39:44 PM
Post by: jaymark6655 on July 23, 2012, 07:55:10 PM
I have one and they are a blast :chuckle: to shoot. Blow squirrels up pretty good, but I wouldn't use mine for carry purposes. There are way better guns for that. :twocents:Why wouldn't you carry it?
Post by: actionshooter on July 23, 2012, 08:11:39 PM
I have one and they are a blast :chuckle: to shoot. Blow squirrels up pretty good, but I wouldn't use mine for carry purposes. There are way better guns for that. :twocents:Why wouldn't you carry it?
I'm in the big bullet=energy, stopping power camp. The 5.7 will work, but is it the best carry gun/round?
I also believe if you are going to carry there is some personal responsibility. You have to think about legal the ramifications of actually using 5.7 for self defense.
The prosecutor is going to hang you buy your sack for using a 5.7 as a personal defense gun. The pistol "looks" like "assault" pistol and was designed for military use.
The other thing is, if you do use it and even if its a justified shooting. Your not going to get it back.
Post by: jrebel on July 23, 2012, 08:59:56 PM
I have one and they are a blast :chuckle: to shoot. Blow squirrels up pretty good, but I wouldn't use mine for carry purposes. There are way better guns for that. :twocents:Why wouldn't you carry it?
I'm in the big bullet=energy, stopping power camp. The 5.7 will work, but is it the best carry gun/round?
I also believe if you are going to carry there is some personal responsibility. You have to think about legal the ramifications of actually using 5.7 for self defense.
The prosecutor is going to hang you buy your sack for using a 5.7 as a personal defense gun. The pistol "looks" like "assault" pistol and was designed for military use.
The other thing is, if you do use it and even if its a justified shooting. Your not going to get it back.
Not sure I agree with you on this one action shooter. 1911 .45 acp is a combat tested and used pistol that was made with the military in mind as well. If you shoot someone you will be scrutinized regardless of the bullet size and make / model of your firearm. Justified or not you will probably not get your firearm back. With that being said I carry a Kimber that cost way more than the 5.7. It is worth losing if it saves my life. I want something reliable so when the time comes (if ever it comes) I and the gun can perform. The 5.7 is an expensive gun and round, but it does have pros....it carries 21 rounds and it has low recoil. If you like the firepower this thing can deliver and it is a reliable piece, I say go for it.
I personally like my .45. :twocents:
Post by: hillbilli on July 24, 2012, 03:11:36 AM
My .40 holds 14, my 9 holds 17, and 13rd .45 's are not rare.. hell i've even seen some of the european 9mm AP rounds.. probably be easier to get ahold of those than the 5.7 AP if a fellow was serious..
Post by: wraithen on July 24, 2012, 03:26:27 AM
Back to the topic, I say if you want to carry a FiveSeven then go for it. I'd let them keep a 5k gun if the thing saved my butt just once. Consider that a sound investment. I wouldn't mind carrying that pistol except for the over penetration concern, but I'm sure there will be some creative ammo coming soon that will address that concern as well. Maybe something with a "liquid lead" core concept?
Post by: elkaholic123 on July 24, 2012, 04:29:24 AM
Post by: firefighter4607 on July 24, 2012, 01:10:58 PM
5.7x28mm Performance Against Soft Body Armor (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8WrokNC3Clc#)
Post by: wraithen on July 24, 2012, 01:24:48 PM
Post by: whacker1 on July 24, 2012, 01:42:35 PM
Post by: PlateauNDN on July 24, 2012, 01:56:35 PM
Post by: JimmyHoffa on February 13, 2013, 06:48:36 PM
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/113/hr538 (http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/113/hr538)
Post by: huntnphool on February 13, 2013, 08:03:40 PM
I believe my .45 is good enough and if you want the 5.7 then by all means get it. One thing I learned in L.E. is to shoot to stop, so if I have to empty an entire clip into a suspect to stop him then so be it as long as I'm shooting to stop, not kill. :tup:One of the big hand gun debates has always been .45, 40 or 9mm. There are a lot of people, law enforcement in particular that are going back to the 9mm simply because it has less recoil and officers can keep the muzzle on target better, resulting in more hits, which they say is vitally important, I agree.
I have a FiveSeven that I carry every day. Its light weight, high capacity, low recoil and can be armor piercing with one of the factory loads. Its one of the reasons Nadal Hassan was able to kill so many people in the Fort Hood shooting, he was using a FiveSeven.
I can hit the target at 100 yards regularly and with little effort or recoil, try that with a .45.
Post by: sirmissalot on February 13, 2013, 08:56:49 PM
Post by: huntnphool on February 13, 2013, 08:59:11 PM
Post by: mountainman on February 13, 2013, 09:35:17 PM
:tup:
Post by: huntnphool on February 13, 2013, 10:39:47 PM
Ammo is as hard to get as the gun. A law inforcement firearms instructor friend carries one for bear protection while hunting. I have used and seen used many different types of ammo and EliteAmmo had a 3 segmented round that was just devastating! Could penetrate a windshield with zero deflection and still break apart into three tumbling sections once it hits the target!Ammo is hard to get for any gun at the moment. ;)
:tup:
Post by: firefighter4607 on February 13, 2013, 10:48:33 PM
The FiveSeven has managed to get enough noteriety to get its very own bill in the house. For it and its ammo.
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/113/hr538 (http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/113/hr538)
Also the price for a new one has jumped! I wish I bought one a couple years ago. :bash:
Post by: huntnphool on February 13, 2013, 10:56:35 PM
I know one member on here just picked up a couple of them in the last week. They are going for around $2k on gunbroker right now.The FiveSeven has managed to get enough noteriety to get its very own bill in the house. For it and its ammo.
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/113/hr538 (http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/113/hr538)
Also the price for a new one has jumped! I wish I bought one a couple years ago. :bash:
Post by: BigD on February 13, 2013, 11:08:36 PM
Post by: actionshooter on February 14, 2013, 07:36:50 AM
The FiveSeven has managed to get enough noteriety to get its very own bill in the house. For it and its ammo.
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/113/hr538 (http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/113/hr538)
They are going for around $2k on gunbroker right now.
I can verify that, I just sold one.... :chuckle:
Post by: BIGINNER on February 14, 2013, 07:49:39 AM
Post by: MtnMuley on February 14, 2013, 08:22:35 AM
I have one and they are a blast :chuckle: to shoot. Blow squirrels up pretty good, but I wouldn't use mine for carry purposes. There are way better guns for that. :twocents:Why wouldn't you carry it?
I'm in the big bullet=energy, stopping power camp. The 5.7 will work, but is it the best carry gun/round?
I also believe if you are going to carry there is some personal responsibility. You have to think about legal the ramifications of actually using 5.7 for self defense.
The prosecutor is going to hang you buy your sack for using a 5.7 as a personal defense gun. The pistol "looks" like "assault" pistol and was designed for military use.
The other thing is, if you do use it and even if its a justified shooting. Your not going to get it back.
I know we are entitled to our own opinion, and I respect that, but strongly disagree with your last statement.
Post by: huntnphool on February 14, 2013, 09:14:26 AM
so why not just go with a .22 mag?.22 WMR round will reach a velocity of 1230 fps from a 4.3″ barrel. This works out to 134.40 ft/lbs of energy.
This is a significantly less than the FN Five-Seven USG (4.75″ barrel), which can push a 40 grain bullet at 2009 fps. This works out to 358.57 ft/lbs! Nearly three times as powerful as the .22 WMR!
This does not mean that the .22 WMR is not a good cartridge. It simply means that the 5.7mm is optimized to be fired from a pistol, rather than the slower burning .22 WMR loads which are designed to be fired from a rifle.
Post by: BIGINNER on February 14, 2013, 09:35:40 AM
so why not just go with a .22 mag?.22 WMR round will reach a velocity of 1230 fps from a 4.3″ barrel. This works out to 134.40 ft/lbs of energy.
This is a significantly less than the FN Five-Seven USG (4.75″ barrel), which can push a 40 grain bullet at 2009 fps. This works out to 358.57 ft/lbs! Nearly three times as powerful as the .22 WMR!
This does not mean that the .22 WMR is not a good cartridge. It simply means that the 5.7mm is optimized to be fired from a pistol, rather than the slower burning .22 WMR loads which are designed to be fired from a rifle.
:tup:
Post by: actionshooter on February 14, 2013, 09:48:53 AM
I have one and they are a blast :chuckle: to shoot. Blow squirrels up pretty good, but I wouldn't use mine for carry purposes. There are way better guns for that. :twocents:Why wouldn't you carry it?
I'm in the big bullet=energy, stopping power camp. The 5.7 will work, but is it the best carry gun/round?
I also believe if you are going to carry there is some personal responsibility. You have to think about legal the ramifications of actually using 5.7 for self defense.
The prosecutor is going to hang you buy your sack for using a 5.7 as a personal defense gun. The pistol "looks" like "assault" pistol and was designed for military use.
The other thing is, if you do use it and even if its a justified shooting. Your not going to get it back.
I know we are entitled to our own opinion, and I respect that, but strongly disagree with your last statement.
Thats what makes this country great, you get an opinion. :)