Post by: longrangekiller on July 25, 2012, 10:22:44 AM
Post by: h20hunter on July 25, 2012, 10:26:05 AM
Post by: Jburke on July 25, 2012, 10:37:53 AM
Post by: Woodchuck on July 25, 2012, 11:05:22 AM
My opionion is to take the bear tag and the rifle. If you do have an elk tag leave it behind. Shouldn't be any doubts of your intentions if checked. Also, maybe keep in mind that your rifle scope is not a good choice to glass any elk he is looking at.:yeah: That is solid advice IMHO
Post by: longrangekiller on July 25, 2012, 12:07:14 PM
My opionion is to take the bear tag and the rifle. If you do have an elk tag leave it behind. Shouldn't be any doubts of your intentions if checked. Also, maybe keep in mind that your rifle scope is not a good choice to glass any elk he is looking at.
Thanks for the advice. And ya I dont use my scope to glass lol have had to many guns pointed at me from other yahoos doing that lol
Post by: trophyhunt on July 25, 2012, 12:22:11 PM
Post by: firefighter4607 on July 25, 2012, 12:23:43 PM
Post by: longrangekiller on July 25, 2012, 12:27:18 PM
I must have missed something?? Your buddy drew a muzzy bull tag and someone is telling you to leave the elk tag at home and take the rifle and bear tag? I must be reading it wrong because if my buddy drew an any bull tag for muzzy that's what we would be hunting. I wouldn't even bother with the bear hunting during his hunt and concentrate on the big prize, the elk. You can always take your gun and bear tag with you later on his gut pile after the work is done of course. :twocents:
Yes we will be doing all elk hunting. But u never know that big chocolate bear might just walk out and wanna get shot
Post by: trophyhunt on July 25, 2012, 12:36:06 PM
I'm with you on that, for me, if I had the elk tag I just wouldn't want someone shooting a rifle at a bear when my elk of a liftime could just be around the bend. Of course this is comming from a guy with 17 years of waiting to be drawn for elk, that being said, if I see a bear when I'm hunting elk in Idaho this year with an over the counter tag- yes I would shoot the bear if he walked in front of me. You guys should have a blast, good luck.I must have missed something?? Your buddy drew a muzzy bull tag and someone is telling you to leave the elk tag at home and take the rifle and bear tag? I must be reading it wrong because if my buddy drew an any bull tag for muzzy that's what we would be hunting. I wouldn't even bother with the bear hunting during his hunt and concentrate on the big prize, the elk. You can always take your gun and bear tag with you later on his gut pile after the work is done of course. :twocents:
Yes we will be doing all elk hunting. But u never know that big chocolate bear might just walk out and wanna get shot
Post by: h20hunter on July 25, 2012, 12:38:24 PM
One buddy + one muzzy+ plus one tag + you and your muzzy = party hunting?
Am I missing something?
Post by: b0bbyg on July 25, 2012, 12:41:29 PM
I must have missed something?? Your buddy drew a muzzy bull tag and someone is telling you to leave the elk tag at home and take the rifle and bear tag? I must be reading it wrong because if my buddy drew an any bull tag for muzzy that's what we would be hunting. I wouldn't even bother with the bear hunting during his hunt and concentrate on the big prize, the elk. You can always take your gun and bear tag with you later on his gut pile after the work is done of course. :twocents:
Just for my education, is it legal to hunt over your own animals gut pile?
Post by: h20hunter on July 25, 2012, 12:44:21 PM
Post by: Dhoey07 on July 25, 2012, 12:45:44 PM
I think hunting over a bait pile for bear is still baiting. Even though it is natural, from a downed animal, the regs would still consider it bait. Best to shoot yotes off it.
I have never thought about it that way.
Post by: h20hunter on July 25, 2012, 12:52:01 PM
Post by: bearpaw on July 25, 2012, 12:56:10 PM
Post by: b0bbyg on July 25, 2012, 01:00:07 PM
As to the party hunting comment, I agree if you have two guys carrying Muzzys you are cruising for a ticket. If the others are just glassing and calling to help with the hunt then no problems.
Post by: CP on July 25, 2012, 01:02:21 PM
(d) As used in this subsection, "bait" means a substance placed, exposed, deposited, distributed, scattered, or otherwise used for the purpose of attracting black bears to an area where one or more persons hunt or intend to hunt them.
Post by: bearpaw on July 25, 2012, 01:08:19 PM
RCW 77.15.245
(d) As used in this subsection, "bait" means a substance placed, exposed, deposited, distributed, scattered, or otherwise used for the purpose of attracting black bears to an area where one or more persons hunt or intend to hunt them.
used for the purpose of attracting black bears
That is why I stated my post the way I did. I asked a warden several years ago and was told a legal gut pile or even a dead cow that died naturally is OK. But you cannot drag a cow out to the woods and shoot bear.
But interpretations of the law can vary or change, so I would suggest asking WDFW. :twocents:
Post by: h20hunter on July 25, 2012, 01:09:38 PM
Hmmmm...........since you would remove the guts from the animal, place them there, and return I would think it would be a ticket waiting to happen.
Post by: rtspring on July 25, 2012, 01:13:40 PM
RTSPRING
Post by: h20hunter on July 25, 2012, 01:16:15 PM
Post by: b0bbyg on July 25, 2012, 01:52:42 PM
As the guy who made the party hunting comment ( and will I'm sure catch heat for it) that is only how I read the post. I am saying nothing personally....only an intrepetation of the comment.
Hmmmm...........since you would remove the guts from the animal, place them there, and return I would think it would be a ticket waiting to happen.
I don't think you should catch heat for the comment, it sounded the same to me, actually two different posts kind of read that way. I am guessing it was not intended to sound that way but sometimes things look funny after they are posted.
:chuckle:
Post by: Bob33 on July 25, 2012, 02:30:53 PM
I believe it would depend on the hunter's intent. If you shot an elk, were gutting it and a bear came in, you should not be cited. If you are hunting the gut pile from a tree stand three days later, and you shot a bear off it you probably will be.RCW 77.15.245
(d) As used in this subsection, "bait" means a substance placed, exposed, deposited, distributed, scattered, or otherwise used for the purpose of attracting black bears to an area where one or more persons hunt or intend to hunt them.
used for the purpose of attracting black bears
That is why I stated my post the way I did. I asked a warden several years ago and was told a legal gut pile or even a dead cow that died naturally is OK. But you cannot drag a cow out to the woods and shoot bear.
But interpretations of the law can vary or change, so I would suggest asking WDFW. :twocents:
Post by: Bigshooter on July 25, 2012, 02:32:22 PM
Post by: h20hunter on July 25, 2012, 02:33:34 PM
Post by: royalbull on July 25, 2012, 02:36:38 PM
Post by: link on July 25, 2012, 03:01:08 PM
I think that your buddy may be tempted to use your rifle if the right bull presents itself, the little natches rifle hunt is open at the same time, and unless you are planning on putting a large sign on the side of your truck that states you are hunting with a muzzy who would know, I'd be willing to bet several muzzy bulls have been shot with a rifle during that hunt, I say don't tempt himDing, ding, ding. We finally get to the root of the question! :chuckle:
Post by: Miles on July 25, 2012, 03:05:23 PM
Post by: h20hunter on July 25, 2012, 03:12:44 PM
Post by: link on July 25, 2012, 03:24:09 PM
Post by: Miles on July 25, 2012, 03:25:34 PM
No, it isn't really amazing. :chuckle:
Hey look, either your assumptions have merit or it's really amazing. Can't be both. ;)
Post by: link on July 25, 2012, 03:27:51 PM
Post by: Miles on July 25, 2012, 03:28:45 PM
Post by: longrangekiller on July 25, 2012, 03:37:04 PM
I think that your buddy may be tempted to use your rifle if the right bull presents itself, the little natches rifle hunt is open at the same time, and unless you are planning on putting a large sign on the side of your truck that states you are hunting with a muzzy who would know, I'd be willing to bet several muzzy bulls have been shot with a rifle during that hunt, I say don't tempt him
No that wouldn't happen. First I wouldn't let him second he aint that type of guy if he wanted a rifle tag he would have put in for one.
Post by: grundy53 on July 25, 2012, 03:48:13 PM
So I got a buddy that drew a peaches ridge muzzy bull tag and we went up scouting we found some good country lots of elk and lots of bear sighn. Since I won't be able to hunt bear very much this year for bear i was wondering if it is leagle for me to pack my rifle for bear while he is muzzy hunting elk?
In that manner it is not at all. I read it as they would both be carrying a muzzy with only one muzzy elk tag. You carrying a modern rifle with a bear tag is not in any way party hunting.
he said he would be packing his rifle :dunno: don't know where you got party hunting out of that? Even if he was hunting bear with a muzzleloader you would be making one heck of an assumption that they would be party hunting. I'm sure there are some guys who love hunting bear with muzzleloaders. As long as he has his tag that he paid for and the season is open then he has every right to hunt. Just my :twocents:
Post by: grundy53 on July 25, 2012, 03:51:25 PM
I would check with WDFW first, but I think you can shoot a bear off a legally killed gut pile as long as you did not place it for the purpose of hunting bear. I also think you can legally hunt bear with your rifle while your partner hunts for elk with his bow. The same person cannot pack a rifle and bow in the field at the same time to hunt archery elk and rifle bear at the same time.
That is what I've been told by the game wardens I've talked to.
Post by: grundy53 on July 25, 2012, 03:51:48 PM
The things people assume here on HW is amazing.
:yeah: :yeah: :yeah: :yeah: :yeah: :yeah:
Post by: bearpaw on July 25, 2012, 04:13:00 PM
I would check with WDFW first, but I think you can shoot a bear off a legally killed gut pile as long as you did not place it for the purpose of hunting bear. I also think you can legally hunt bear with your rifle while your partner hunts for elk with his bow. The same person cannot pack a rifle and bow in the field at the same time to hunt archery elk and rifle bear at the same time.
That is what I've been told by the game wardens I've talked to.
That's what I was told, but as Miles said.... :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
It takes a couple minutes for anyone to call Olympia or a local warden and verify for themself. :twocents:
Post by: trophyhunt on July 25, 2012, 05:37:26 PM
Post by: Jburke on July 26, 2012, 01:10:58 AM
Post by: grundy53 on July 26, 2012, 05:29:59 AM
I think that the root of all of this goes back to the fact that party hunting happens all the time. It's not right or legal but it's happening each year. It's simply a reason for a warden to be skeptical of a situation. If you're carrying your rifle and he's got his muzzy then it should be no problem. Might you get questioned if you get stopped? Yeah maybe, but as long as you have done nothing wrong you should have nothing to worry about. We pay them to protect these resources that we pay ridiculous amounts of money to use. Nothing personal, but I would expect them to question you both and would be disapointed if they didn't. :twocents:
I agree. But in the same breathe, Bear season is open then for any weapon and if there is a season open that you want to hunt you should be able to hunt it with whatever weapon you choose that is legal. Or else why is the season even open? Archery deer is open during archery elk. Are we so paranoid that we believe every "deer" hunter is really hunting elk? No. I don't see a difference. Like said leave it to the game wardens to do their job of thoroughly checking each hunter. If you are not doing anything illegal you have nothing to worry about. We on here don't need to assume everyone is a poacher.
Post by: jpharcher on July 26, 2012, 07:59:28 AM
Post by: h20hunter on July 26, 2012, 08:01:29 AM
Like I mentioned...........I agree with being able to do it.
Post by: grundy53 on July 26, 2012, 08:13:02 AM
Sounds way to logical for the state to agree!
Like I mentioned...........I agree with being able to do it.
:chuckle: :chuckle: maybe logic is contagious and there will be an outbreak in the WDFW...
Post by: Labs07 on August 20, 2012, 04:19:49 PM
Post by: washelkhunter on August 20, 2012, 08:01:20 PM