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Title: School me on AR's
Post by: gasman on July 25, 2012, 04:53:09 PM
I have wanted an AR for some time but know really nothing about them. Which is good, which is bad, what to look for and what to a void, etc....


All I know is, I want one I could take big game hunting (deer) if I want to, and I want it camo....

I know Olympic has some models that I can get in .243 WSSM and .25 WSSM.

Looking to yote hunt with it also and both .243 and .25 cal have small grained bullets that I can reload for it.


What do I need to Know  :dunno:
Title: Re: School me on AR's
Post by: carpsniperg2 on July 25, 2012, 04:59:51 PM
There are lots of choices out there. Not very many come in camo. You can always get a black one and send it in and have it dipped. Your cals in the ar-15's are going to be the 6.8/6.5 and 300 blackout. The ar-10 you can get into a lot more. A fine choice is the r-15 by remington. 243/7mm-08/308. I run the 7mm-08. I am finishing my 6.5 grendel tomorrow. Bushmaster/dpms and remington are all sister companies and all make fine guns.
Title: Re: School me on AR's
Post by: Blacklab on July 25, 2012, 05:17:30 PM
Here's a list of calibers for the AR 15. Using one lower22 204 ruger 223/5.56x45 5.7x28 223wsm 243wsm 25wsm 6.5 grendel 6.8spc 7.62x39 30AR 450bushmaster 458scocom
50beowulf. The ballistics on the grendel are quite impressive. Worth a look imo  ;)
Title: Re: School me on AR's
Post by: Biggerhammer on July 25, 2012, 05:25:36 PM
This is a AR cartridge that might fit your needs, I have been thinking about getting a upper done in a 6mm AR Turbo.

It all depends on how deep you want to dive into the murky AR pool. :o

http://www.6mmar.com/6mmAR_Turbo.html (http://www.6mmar.com/6mmAR_Turbo.html)
Title: Re: School me on AR's
Post by: Biggerhammer on July 25, 2012, 05:51:53 PM
Here's a list of calibers for the AR 15. Using one lower22 204 ruger 223/5.56x45 5.7x28 223wsm 243wsm 25wsm 6.5 grendel 6.8spc 7.62x39 30AR 450bushmaster 458scocom
50beowulf. The ballistics on the grendel are quite impressive. Worth a look imo  ;)

The 6.5 Grendel is a excellent cartridge and it's simplicity is attractive compared to the process involved in other AR uppers. Brass and dies are easily available, no fire forming. 25 round mag capacity if need be, 25 in the mag and one in the pipe make it a duel purpose two or four legged varmint package. :)

I did one on a 18" Alexander Arms barrel, turned down to lighten it up, shortened to 17" and threaded 5/8-24 for a suppressor. My brother did his on a 16" Alexander M4 barrel and he has taken Mulies out to 496 yards with his. One shot stop with a 120 Nosler BT.

Mine has been through several different configurations but the same barrel. The  A-Max Factory " Sissy " Hornady ammo is SPOOKY accurate through both barrels. Another excellent source for quality Grendel ammo is at Precision Firearms.

http://www.precisionfirearms.com/29.html?i1797560:page=2 (http://www.precisionfirearms.com/29.html?i1797560:page=2)

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Title: Re: School me on AR's
Post by: Blacklab on July 25, 2012, 06:44:39 PM
Nice AR Biggerhammer  :tup:
Earlier in the year I was looking @ building a 6.8 ar platform (my first) for deer & coyotes. After stumbling onto the 6.5 grendel and reading up on it, I haven't looked back. It's just what I wanted in a firearm long, hard hitting an accurate. With practice I'm looking forward to hitting a 6in pie plate at 500 yards. I have all the parts except one of the important ones the "BARREL". Waiting since 03-20-12.
Title: Re: School me on AR's
Post by: Biggerhammer on July 25, 2012, 07:09:12 PM
Nice AR Biggerhammer  :tup:
Earlier in the year I was looking @ building a 6.8 ar platform (my first) for deer & coyotes. After stumbling onto the 6.5 grendel and reading up on it, I haven't looked back. It's just what I wanted in a firearm long, hard hitting an accurate. With practice I'm looking forward to hitting a 6in pie plate at 500 yards. I have all the parts except one of the important ones the "BARREL". Waiting since 03-20-12.

Who did you order your barrel from? A great barrel at a reasonable price is the Blackhole Weaponry barrel in 6.5 LBC. The Grendel and the 6.5 LBC are one in the same. My brothers deer he shot at almost 500 yards was with a 6.5 Grendel barrel and a loaded cartridge with the head stamp of 6.5 LBC.

Alexander has really been lacking on delivering barrels even close to their projected delivery dates. I know guys who have been waiting over a year.
Title: Re: School me on AR's
Post by: Blacklab on July 25, 2012, 08:28:05 PM
Nice AR Biggerhammer  :tup:
Earlier in the year I was looking @ building a 6.8 ar platform (my first) for deer & coyotes. After stumbling onto the 6.5 grendel and reading up on it, I haven't looked back. It's just what I wanted in a firearm long, hard hitting an accurate. With practice I'm looking forward to hitting a 6in pie plate at 500 yards. I have all the parts except one of the important ones the "BARREL". Waiting since 03-20-12.

Who did you order your barrel from? A great barrel at a reasonable price is the Blackhole Weaponry barrel in 6.5 LBC. The Grendel and the 6.5 LBC are one in the same. My brothers deer he shot at almost 500 yards was with a 6.5 Grendel barrel and a loaded cartridge with the head stamp of 6.5 LBC.

Alexander has really been lacking on delivering barrels even close to their projected delivery dates. I know guys who have been waiting over a year.
The barrel is AA 18in ss bead blasted. I've heard of people waiting a year an hope I'm not one of them. I'm gonna stick it out an wait. Hopefully I'll have it b4 deer season ;) Perferably way b4  :twocents:
Title: Re: School me on AR's
Post by: carpsniperg2 on July 25, 2012, 08:36:25 PM
I know people waiting as well. I found a used one for a great price and the guy still has it. I just don't want 2 of them. I went with the 20" on mine and it should be a perfect blend for me. I talked to the guys at AA and they were not very friendly and seemed to care less about getting a order from me. So I went with a saber, I cant wait tell tomorrow!!! Scope will be 2-3 weeks and ammo about a week so I just get to cuddle with it for now. That is the first time I have bought any factory center fire ammo in 2 years. Good thing I got hooked up with hornady this year as well :IBCOOL: Much cheaper to feed the beast :IBCOOL: The brass was only like .20 cents cheaper then loaded. So I just ordered a bunch of loaded shells and dies.

Props to hornady for hooking me up. I am a big nosler fan as most know but hornady has been great to work with so far.
Title: Re: School me on AR's
Post by: CAMPMEAT on July 25, 2012, 09:19:21 PM
I have wanted an AR for some time but know really nothing about them. Which is good, which is bad, what to look for and what to a void, etc....


All I know is, I want one I could take big game hunting (deer) if I want to, and I want it camo....

I know Olympic has some models that I can get in .243 WSSM and .25 WSSM.

Looking to yote hunt with it also and both .243 and .25 cal have small grained bullets that I can reload for it.


What do I need to Know  :dunno:

I'll sell you my 458 Socom Rock River complete upper, never been fired, Hornady New Demension dies, 3 boxes of Corbon 300 grain HP and a box of projectiles for $1300. Then just buy a lower and you'll have a nice killing machine...... :tup:
Title: Re: School me on AR's
Post by: KFhunter on July 25, 2012, 10:17:49 PM
Who makes the best lowers?


Not sure if I want to go stripped lower, or assembled lower. 


Should I go forged?




I'm ready to build me an AR, before they go with another Brady bill or something worse even.




Pretty well sold on the Grendell too.
Title: Re: School me on AR's
Post by: carpsniperg2 on July 25, 2012, 10:26:09 PM
A lot of them are so very close in quality. There is no need to have to go to a forged lower. I switched to spikes on my last few builds. If you do anything build your lower and buy a upper.
Title: Re: School me on AR's
Post by: jaymark6655 on July 25, 2012, 10:36:17 PM
Building the lower is the easiest part of a build.  I used the J&S cheapy for mine.  Can't really see the reason to go forged on a lower.
Title: Re: School me on AR's
Post by: Jim the Plumber on July 25, 2012, 10:57:19 PM
Who makes the best lowers?


Not sure if I want to go stripped lower, or assembled lower. 


Should I go forged?




I'm ready to build me an AR, before they go with another Brady bill or something worse even.




Pretty well sold on the Grendell too.

If you are looking for the best lower, try Seekins Precision ( Glen is a good friend of mine, but he does make premium stuff!)
http://www.seekinsprecision.com/ (http://www.seekinsprecision.com/)
If you want an AR-15 sized rifle as opposed to an AR-10 sized rifle, the 6.5G/ .264LBC round is a good one for shots to ~300 or so on deer sized game.
If you reload there are several chambering that fit the AR-15 platform that will do the trick.
If you go to the AR-10 sized platform, there are a few in 243, 260, 6.5 Creedmore, and 308.
Title: Re: School me on AR's
Post by: Biggerhammer on July 26, 2012, 12:21:33 AM
Who makes the best lowers?


Not sure if I want to go stripped lower, or assembled lower. 


Should I go forged?




I'm ready to build me an AR, before they go with another Brady bill or something worse even.




Pretty well sold on the Grendell too.

Hard to beat Mega Arms when it comes to billet uppers and lowers and their local. They make top end monolithic uppers at a reasonable price considering the machining that goes into them. The Grendel is a whole different creature than the 6.8 SPC. Some who have posted here learned that the hard way. :chuckle: The Grendel is well capable of taking deer beond 300 yards. I don't care what No# someone goes by. I've watched it done. :tup:

http://megaarms.com/ (http://megaarms.com/)

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Title: Re: School me on AR's
Post by: Elkaholic daWg on July 26, 2012, 04:57:45 AM
I have wanted an AR for some time but know really nothing about them. Which is good, which is bad, what to look for and what to a void, etc....


All I know is, I want one I could take big game hunting (deer) if I want to, and I want it camo....

I know Olympic has some models that I can get in .243 WSSM and .25 WSSM.

Looking to yote hunt with it also and both .243 and .25 cal have small grained bullets that I can reload for it.


What do I need to Know  :dunno:


 Me too. I will be watching this thread closely
Title: Re: School me on AR's
Post by: gasman on July 26, 2012, 05:38:17 AM
This is great information. Thanks guys and keep it comming   :tup:
Title: Re: School me on AR's
Post by: CAMPMEAT on July 26, 2012, 06:14:36 AM
OK, what do you guys think of starting a build with a polymer lower like, Plum Crazy or anyother brand ? I know a guy that built his AR with Plum Crazy and it works great. Thoughts for the newbies............. :chuckle:
Title: Re: School me on AR's
Post by: Huntbear on July 26, 2012, 06:42:40 AM
Do you want a deer sized caliber???  You can get the WSSM calibers in the AR 15 platform from Olympic Arms... yes built right here in Washington.  So you can get the 243 or the 25 WSSM and be legal for deer...  You can buy factory ammo, or you can reload, your choice.  The 25 wssm has about .257 Roberts +P velocities, if not a little better.


My question is this for the experts... chromed barrel and bcg or not chromed??????  especially if you are buying a tactical version in .223.
Title: Re: School me on AR's
Post by: Biggerhammer on July 26, 2012, 07:20:15 AM
Chrome lined is a huge plus, almost a must for.223 or 5.56 if your going to use them/ run them hard. The bolt carrier group is up to you, I very seldom have used a chromed bolt carrier group but it could only enhance and prolong the function and life of the group. I will time and time again run 10 plus mags through a AR carbine with a chrome lined barrel, I'll run that AR until it's smoking and the barrel gets that white haze coating to it, gas tubes glowing red! If the barrel is chrome lined, I would never do that to a stainless or non lined barrel.

Remember the chrome lining is for extreme high usage, it was originally brought about to prolong barrel life under full auto fire rates. Also to protect the chamber and bore from harsh environments, moisture being the number one bore culprit.

I have owned plenty of AR barrels for Varmint shooting and target shooting that were non chromed. There was no reason for it, I wasnt shooting the heck out of them.
Title: Re: School me on AR's
Post by: Biggerhammer on July 26, 2012, 07:29:47 AM
I am in no way affiliated with this Company but they have treated me great for year, they have some of the lowest prices for quality components you can find, they keep a huge inventory, shipping is fast and to top it off they don't screw you on shipping. No matter what you order or how much $7.00 shipped anywhere. Take a look through their site, you can completely order ever single part you need to build a quality AR and assemble it yourself or talk to them and have them assemble your desired parts for you. AR's are simple to build, I'm talking the actual hands on mechanics of it. Some may find the unknown intimidating, learning which parts are compatable, proper terms, part placement.

The after market parts selection for the AR 15 is mind blowing huge!!!! One of the simplest was to learn the assembly from top to bottom is to get Bushmasters AR assembly DVD.

http://www.rainierarms.com/ (http://www.rainierarms.com/)

Title: Re: School me on AR's
Post by: demontang on July 26, 2012, 07:53:17 AM
Hey biggerhammer have you played with any of the olmpic arms new lowers that have the lengthend magwell? I know they can fit the 22-250 in them which could be a nice starting point for the wssm so you could load the long bullets and not single feed them. Ive had my eye on a 25wssm or maybe a wildcat 338wssm :tup:
Title: Re: School me on AR's
Post by: Biggerhammer on July 26, 2012, 08:02:44 AM
No I haven't, I have never owned anything by Olympic. I do find their WSSM line attractive though.
Title: Re: School me on AR's
Post by: JohnVH on July 26, 2012, 08:13:10 AM
last year I built my first AR15, if you search on here there is alot of AR info. I went for the 6.5 Grendel, have taken a few coyotes at 200yds so far, and this deer season hope to get a deer with it. We were smoking rocks at 480yds with it in winthrop a couple months ago.

I love it, its as light as my tikka 7mag, and is pretty accurate.

I have a 16" barrel, I wanted to keep it light, and for me the small difference in FPS for the longer barrels didnt make it worth it for something I can fling around like this one. My lower is a cheap one, collapsable stock, cheap LPK, stock trigger I polished a little, I bought the upper from a guy in seattle and I think they lied to me on the barrel being an AA, but other than that, I love it!

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Title: Re: School me on AR's
Post by: brokenvet on July 26, 2012, 08:26:36 AM
AR10's has the larger calibers:  243Win;  260Rem;  308Win / 7.62 (difference in chambering, but not the case);  338 Federal
and maybe others.

I am not really fond of the AR flat form, even though I carried one for many years while serving and I owned a lower with a couple of uppers.  My oldest son owns them now. 

You really have to keep them clean or they will jam an awful lot.  They can be made more accurate than the M14's.
Title: Re: School me on AR's
Post by: Huntbear on July 26, 2012, 08:31:50 AM
Chrome lined is a huge plus, almost a must for.223 or 5.56 if your going to use them/ run them hard. The bolt carrier group is up to you, I very seldom have used a chromed bolt carrier group but it could only enhance and prolong the function and life of the group. I will time and time again run 10 plus mags through a AR carbine with a chrome lined barrel, I'll run that AR until it's smoking and the barrel gets that white haze coating to it, gas tubes glowing red! If the barrel is chrome lined, I would never do that to a stainless or non lined barrel.

Remember the chrome lining is for extreme high usage, it was originally brought about to prolong barrel life under full auto fire rates. Also to protect the chamber and bore from harsh environments, moisture being the number one bore culprit.

I have owned plenty of AR barrels for Varmint shooting and target shooting that were non chromed. There was no reason for it, I wasnt shooting the heck out of them.

So unless I am doing rapid fire with multiple mag changes, the chrome lining is really not worth it??  Does it affect accuracy?  I really prefer stainless, but would like to have my ducks in a row.
Title: Re: School me on AR's
Post by: Biggerhammer on July 26, 2012, 08:51:41 AM
The chrome lining doesn't effect accuracy, it's a durability issue. If you want to run a stainless barrel on a varmint AR that's great. They still take a considerable amount of heat, you just don't want to flat out abuse a non chrome lined barrel very often. I have run my share of non chrome lined barrels on ground squirrels and Prairie Dog towns. You just treat them like any other barrel, its just easier to warm them up being a semi auto and all. :chuckle:

I normally surf the different shooting forums for my AR parts and barrels, my top two are the classifieds on:

Snipershide.com
24hourcampfire.com

Most AR Barrels shoot, some REALLY SHOOT! I have had a 90.00 total cost shipped Mod1 stainless 16" carbine barrel out shoot a 400.00 Krieger, go figure. :tup: If one picks up parts when they see a smoking deal like I do after a while. The AR's start stacking up, it Barbi for guys!!! I'm constantly switching uppers, lowers, barrels etc.

You can build a good shooting AR on the cheap by shopping around or go all out it's up to you. This AR 5.56 bellow Shoots lights out! The barrel on it only ran me 90.00 shipped from a Dept Sherriff in Oregon.


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Not to shabby for a 90.00 barrel! :tup: by the way that's my load that has shot lights out in many a 9 twist AR. shoots the same with the 50 gr V-Max. The V-Max definatly  being the most explosive. I o
Run V-Max's for Chucks and BT's for Yotes.

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Title: Re: School me on AR's
Post by: carpsniperg2 on July 26, 2012, 09:13:15 AM
Chromatic lined is a plus like hammer said but not really need for the way most people shoot. I have had many of both over the years and never felt the chrome gave me much advantage. I really like the new nickel boron stuff. Very smooth and supposes to be the cats Meow. I have been using some of it in my builds. I think here in the future I am going to up grade a couple 223 with the nickel bcg.
Title: Re: School me on AR's
Post by: Huntbear on July 26, 2012, 09:37:28 AM
I have been looking for uppers... seems everyone and their cousin is sold out, unless you want to spend 800-1000.00 on just the upper.... 

I really was thinking the RRA CAR kit was the way to go, then all I have to do is buy my lower and assemble it, and I would be done.. but they are sold out, as well..

Even Model 1 is sold out of everything..

 :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash:
Title: Re: School me on AR's
Post by: Miles on July 26, 2012, 09:43:06 AM
What happened here?  I thought they were all supposed to still be touching at 200 yds?

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Title: Re: School me on AR's
Post by: carpsniperg2 on July 26, 2012, 09:48:31 AM
I have been looking for uppers... seems everyone and their cousin is sold out, unless you want to spend 800-1000.00 on just the upper.... 

I really was thinking the RRA CAR kit was the way to go, then all I have to do is buy my lower and assemble it, and I would be done.. but they are sold out, as well..

Even Model 1 is sold out of everything..

 :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash:

Check aim surplus and joe bob outfitters. I have done a lot of busniess with both and both are great to deal with.
Title: Re: School me on AR's
Post by: Biggerhammer on July 26, 2012, 10:24:27 AM
What happened here?  I thought they were all supposed to still be touching at 200 yds?

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For a 90.00 buck barrel, I'll take it any day. Besides that's off the bench now put the margin of error in there from a improvised field shooting position and it's going to open up a little but still plenty good for MOA of Rockchuck head. :tup:
Title: Re: School me on AR's
Post by: JohnVH on July 26, 2012, 10:26:55 AM
that $90 barrel, and you, can outshoot probably everyone on this board!
Title: Re: School me on AR's
Post by: carpsniperg2 on July 26, 2012, 10:28:46 AM
 :chuckle: oh now that is not good for his ego Roflol!
Title: Re: School me on AR's
Post by: JohnVH on July 26, 2012, 10:29:43 AM
Ive seen pics of a similar 300yd group from his 6.5 Grendel, he's a shooter!
Title: Re: School me on AR's
Post by: Biggerhammer on July 26, 2012, 10:30:12 AM
that $90 barrel, and you, can outshoot probably everyone on this board!

I have my days when I just want to pitch a custom rig down the range, I know it's not the rifle. I'm just having a bad day driving it. :tup:
Title: Re: School me on AR's
Post by: carpsniperg2 on July 26, 2012, 10:35:18 AM
Every dog has his days :chuckle:
Title: Re: School me on AR's
Post by: BULLBLASTER on July 26, 2012, 12:18:18 PM
I have been intrigued by a 6mm-223 for a while now. Would work well for fun shooting as well as a moderate range deer rifle. Anyone owned one?
Title: Re: School me on AR's
Post by: Biggerhammer on July 26, 2012, 01:38:55 PM
I have been intrigued by a 6mm-223 for a while now. Would work well for fun shooting as well as a moderate range deer rifle. Anyone owned one?

I have owned several 6x45's, they are great in a carbine for coyote calling. Very easy to load for, it is hard to find a load that doesn't shoot well.
Title: Re: School me on AR's
Post by: BULLBLASTER on July 26, 2012, 01:54:48 PM
I have been intrigued by a 6mm-223 for a while now. Would work well for fun shooting as well as a moderate range deer rifle. Anyone owned one?

I have owned several 6x45's, they are great in a carbine for coyote calling. Very easy to load for, it is hard to find a load that doesn't shoot well.
know any place to get a decently priced upper in 6x45? i am thinking of selling my 223 upper and looking at options.
Title: Re: School me on AR's
Post by: Rob on July 26, 2012, 02:25:11 PM
Couple questions (working up my first build too)

What do folks think of Yankee Hill Machine uppers and barrels?

I know this off topic (forgive me) but with a 1:7 twist on a 5.56 barrel, what would you shoot?  62 grain?  80 Grain?

Title: Re: School me on AR's
Post by: carpsniperg2 on July 26, 2012, 03:07:19 PM
Couple questions (working up my first build too)

What do folks think of Yankee Hill Machine uppers and barrels?

I know this off topic (forgive me) but with a 1:7 twist on a 5.56 barrel, what would you shoot?  62 grain?  80 Grain?

The 1:7 will shoot the very heavy stuff well and not shoot the light stuff worth a darn. Both the 62 and 80's should shoot well in a 1-7 twist.

YHM is good stuff :tup:
Title: Re: School me on AR's
Post by: KFhunter on July 26, 2012, 06:25:02 PM
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Title: Re: School me on AR's
Post by: Biggerhammer on July 26, 2012, 08:21:34 PM
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Announcement regarding Mega Arms Monolithic MTS upper receivers: [/color][/size]We have both good news and also tough news to deliver. So to quickly get the bad news out of the way: we are no longer manufacturing, or offering for sale, our MTS Monolithic upper receivers. This includes sets involving the MTS upper in AR-15 and MATEN. If you are a custom MTS client, please contact us.[/size]You must be wondering why we are taking this step. No, we did not have any safety or quality issues. You already know that our MTS upper is made to our high expectations and has been the pinnacle of the industry since its inception. We recently became aware that a competitor is about to obtain a patent, and we believe that this competitor will assert its patent against us. We have strong defenses, but we are not a large company that can sustain ongoing litigation expenses. Plus we would rather be working on providing a superior replacement.[/size]The good news is that we are working on a new platform that far exceeds anything currently offered in the industry. It will be exactly what you would expect from Mega Arms. We have no specific time frame on when we will be able to start shipping the new platform, but stay tuned for news on that front.[/size]The MTS upper for AR-15 and MATEN has been a huge success for us at Mega Arms, and we are just as disappointed as you are with this decision and change. We convey our apologies for any inconvenience this may cause to you or your customers. We at Mega Arms look forward to our new platform, and believe that it will be a platform that the industry would expect to see from us at Mega Arms![/size]Sincerely,[/size]Mega Arms

That's to bad! In my opinion Mega Set the standard. Save your pennies ladies because chances are the new stuff Mega is working on, is going to be the chit!!!! :tup:
Title: Re: School me on AR's
Post by: carpsniperg2 on July 27, 2012, 12:46:01 AM
 :yike: Sounds like they should have had a patent!
Title: Re: School me on AR's
Post by: FALFire on July 27, 2012, 06:53:44 AM
I have been intrigued by a 6mm-223 for a while now. Would work well for fun shooting as well as a moderate range deer rifle. Anyone owned one?

I run one, actually, I have two but one may be sold. I really like the 6-223 aka (6x45mm) it is very easy to load for, easily shoots up to an 85gr bullet without a feeding or stacking problem plus it uses all standard 223/556 bolts, mags.

This year I'll be using a 20" Blackhole Weaponry barrel and I plan on using the 58gr V-Max bullets which seem to be the hot ticket for coyotes without blowing them apart. Hopefully this winter it will put up a good amount of fur for me and since it's a deer legal caliber, it will cleanly kill deer within a couple hundred yards.
Title: Re: School me on AR's
Post by: Biggerhammer on July 27, 2012, 06:57:27 AM
:yike: Sounds like they should have had a patent!

Live and learn.

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I have been intrigued by a 6mm-223 for a while now. Would work well for fun shooting as well as a moderate range deer rifle. Anyone owned one?

I have owned several 6x45's, they are great in a carbine for coyote calling. Very easy to load for, it is hard to find a load that doesn't shoot well.
know any place to get a decently priced upper in 6x45? i am thinking of selling my 223 upper and looking at options.



BlackHole Weaponry out of Moses Lake WA is your best bet for quality and a quick delivery time.
Title: Re: School me on AR's
Post by: Jim the Plumber on July 27, 2012, 07:03:03 AM
that $90 barrel, and you, can outshoot probably everyone on this board!


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Title: Re: School me on AR's
Post by: Biggerhammer on July 27, 2012, 02:48:59 PM
that $90 barrel, and you, can outshoot probably everyone on this board!


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Don't get your panties in a knot Ja Ja Jimmy. :chuckle: :chuckle:
Title: Re: School me on AR's
Post by: Jim the Plumber on July 28, 2012, 01:40:49 AM
Looks like the Mega is a no go.
Here is a recent shot of the Seekins AR-15
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1109.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fh427%2FJimthePlumber17%2FSeekinsAR.jpg&hash=a4950ed712188ff2436c7e53103b5cdf14a18aab)
Title: Re: School me on AR's
Post by: slayer1 on July 28, 2012, 06:46:35 AM
Is there no love here for the 6.8 spc?  I must have missed something, not even mentioned!   :dunno:
Title: Re: School me on AR's
Post by: Biggerhammer on July 28, 2012, 07:44:31 AM
Mega rocks , they are still out there. Seekin's is a nitch, if one could read they would see that it's just the monalithic uppers that are the issue with the patent. Mega produces very high quality billet lowers and upper recievers period. I can't even count how many people I have seen walk away from the Seekin's due to the non traditional mag well sweep. Different strokes for different folks, Mega is a big outfit. They got that way for a reason.

Hell POF gives Mega a run for its money in the billet department. They are just not as well rounded as Mega. More of a stout, utility , military directed outfit. You know , perfessional types. Not crew Gucci  :chuckle:

Title: Re: School me on AR's
Post by: gasman on July 28, 2012, 09:43:50 AM
Ganna go do a little shopping this morning  :tup:

Gonna check out a few shops and make my way down to J&S in Oly and take a look at the OA Game Stalker in the .25WSSM

We will see if I come home with a new toy or not  :bfg:
Title: Re: School me on AR's
Post by: Biggerhammer on July 28, 2012, 10:13:29 AM
Ganna go do a little shopping this morning  :tup:

Gonna check out a few shops and make my way down to J&S in Oly and take a look at the OA Game Stalker in the .25WSSM

We will see if I come home with a new toy or not  :bfg:

That .25 WSSM would be one fun cartridge on a AR. :tup:
Title: Re: School me on AR's
Post by: gasman on July 28, 2012, 03:12:44 PM
Pulled the trigger........... Well not yet    :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:

(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi249.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fgg225%2Fgasman400%2F2012-07-28144951.jpg&hash=9d168bf96c37136088334ec295d8800c5b72e9fb)

Stopped at cabelas and they had one bag of brass and I grabbed it. Picked up a die and now I just need to look up a load for it  :IBCOOL:

Gonna grab a Scope next week and I will be  :bfg:


Didnt have camo, but i figured I will have it dipped at NW Hydo and have it all the same  :tup:
Title: Re: School me on AR's
Post by: Jim the Plumber on July 28, 2012, 03:36:41 PM
Looks good Gasman.
Let us know how it shoots.
Title: Re: School me on AR's
Post by: CAMPMEAT on July 28, 2012, 06:09:15 PM
Pulled the trigger........... Well not yet    :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:

(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi249.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fgg225%2Fgasman400%2F2012-07-28144951.jpg&hash=9d168bf96c37136088334ec295d8800c5b72e9fb)

Stopped at cabelas and they had one bag of brass and I grabbed it. Picked up a die and now I just need to look up a load for it  :IBCOOL:

Gonna grab a Scope next week and I will be  :bfg:


Didnt have camo, but i figured I will have it dipped at NW Hydo and have it all the same  :tup:


Oh God.................another coyote killer on his way. Nice !!
Title: Re: School me on AR's
Post by: Huntbear on July 28, 2012, 06:31:29 PM
I now have the 243 wssm....  I can not wait for coyotes and deer season....   :bfg: :bfg:  I am in the process of looking for a 5.56/.223 upper or complete rifle now..  want a 16" heavy (not bull) barrel...

You should love how that rifle shoots!   :tup: :tup: :tup:
Title: Re: School me on AR's
Post by: gasman on July 28, 2012, 08:28:38 PM
Loaded a few shells for it and now the wait for the scope to try it  :bash:
Title: Re: School me on AR's
Post by: FALFire on July 28, 2012, 08:38:01 PM
Loaded a few shells for it and now the wait for the scope to try it  :bash:

Just be certain to push those shoulders back when you resize the fired casings, otherwise you'll not be happy and use plenty of lube, those WSSM cases can be a bear until you get it right.  :tup:
Title: Re: School me on AR's
Post by: gasman on July 28, 2012, 08:41:18 PM
Loaded a few shells for it and now the wait for the scope to try it  :bash:

Just be certain to push those shoulders back when you resize the fired casings, otherwise you'll not be happy and use plenty of lube, those WSSM cases can be a bear until you get it right.  :tup:

Yeah, did some research on reloading the WSSM before time.

Also have to have the OAL at 2.25" or they wont fit in the mag.
Title: Re: School me on AR's
Post by: carpsniperg2 on July 28, 2012, 10:11:52 PM
Good looking rig. The one thing you will want to change out first if you do any upgrades if the pistol grip. Get a soft ergo or magpul. One of the best simple upgrades a guy can do. Those hard plastic sob's are crap. You can get one for like 20-30 and it really make the gun feel nice. Even more so with anything bigger then a 223. The hard plastic hurts the hand after awhile.
Title: Re: School me on AR's
Post by: ellensburgpo on July 28, 2012, 10:17:53 PM
Good looking rig. The one thing you will want to change out first if you do any upgrades if the pistol grip. Get a soft ergo or magpul. One of the best simple upgrades a guy can do. Those hard plastic sob's are crap. You can get one for like 20-30 and it really make the gun feel nice. Even more so with anything bigger then a 223. The hard plastic hurts the hand after awhile.

Ou of the 1500$+ on my ar in upgrades, a better grip was the best money spent.
Title: Re: School me on AR's
Post by: actionshooter on July 28, 2012, 11:04:21 PM
Mega rocks , they are still out there. Seekin's is a nitch, if one could read they would see that it's just the monalithic uppers that are the issue with the patent. Mega produces very high quality billet lowers and upper recievers period. I can't even count how many people I have seen walk away from the Seekin's due to the non traditional mag well sweep. Different strokes for different folks, Mega is a big outfit. They got that way for a reason.

Hell POF gives Mega a run for its money in the billet department. They are just not as well rounded as Mega. More of a stout, utility , military directed outfit. You know , perfessional types. Not crew Gucci  :chuckle:


Its LMT that went after Mega for the monolith, Its not that much different than what Colt just came out.  I think its a bunch off crap.
 Mega's is a better product.
 I also agree about the Seekins products, that lower and the 3-gun float tube are pretty awesome, along with Glen throwing some serious
sponsorship into the 3-gun community, he has earned my business.
Title: Re: School me on AR's
Post by: Jim the Plumber on July 29, 2012, 06:58:38 AM
 I also agree about the Seekins products, that lower and the 3-gun float tube are pretty awesome, along with Glen throwing some serious
sponsorship into the 3-gun community, he has earned my business.

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Yup, Glen gives away a ton of product at the three gun matches as well as sponsorship at tactical matches such as Snipers Hide cup and the Findlay Cup. This year at my match (F.C.) he was the main match sponsor and gave away several thousand $ worth of product. On top of that Glen and his crew are avid hunters and outdoors men.
 His lowers are well thought out and have more than a few features that make them a cut above the rest. The forward edge of the mag well being one of them, to facilitate pressing the rifle against a barricade and not having the mag touching said barricade.
Title: Re: School me on AR's
Post by: gasman on July 29, 2012, 07:12:34 AM
Like I said, reloaded a few shells yesterday and yes, it is Super Short  :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:

(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi249.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fgg225%2Fgasman400%2F2012-07-28181302.jpg&hash=610d7267125f198f78ca9d461b7a70306e3f5808)

.25 WSSM & .270
Title: Re: School me on AR's
Post by: Biggerhammer on July 29, 2012, 08:06:22 AM
Obviously he didn't go with Seekins or Mega but still
Preaching, oh wait! Advertising Seekins.  :chuckle: Gotta love that cash those guys are getting by selling their Seekins stuff they get free off the prize tables at shoots.  :tup:
Title: Re: School me on AR's
Post by: Biggerhammer on July 29, 2012, 08:30:51 AM
The Nosler Outlet Store at the Factory in Oregon always has some type of .25 cal bullet on sale. Currently they have some .25 Cal Partitions for sale, for about half price.

http://shootersproshop.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=71_101_102&product_id=724 (http://shootersproshop.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=71_101_102&product_id=724)
Title: Re: School me on AR's
Post by: actionshooter on July 29, 2012, 01:54:32 PM
Obviously he didn't go with Seekins or Mega but still
Preaching, oh wait! Advertising Seekins.  :chuckle: Gotta love that cash those guys are getting by selling their Seekins stuff they get free off the prize tables at shoots.  :tup:

So far I haven't sold any of the seekins stuff I have won, I figure if I keep going I'll have a complete rifle soon.
Title: Re: School me on AR's
Post by: Biggerhammer on July 29, 2012, 03:01:07 PM
Well, there ya go. Now he just needs to make barrels, bolts, lower parts kits etc and you'll have it made. :chuckle:
Title: Re: School me on AR's
Post by: JohnVH on July 30, 2012, 02:15:31 PM
wow, cool!
Title: Re: School me on AR's
Post by: demontang on July 31, 2012, 07:54:48 AM
Youll have to let me shoot that rig some day :tup:
Title: Re: School me on AR's
Post by: gasman on July 31, 2012, 03:01:13 PM
Youll have to let me shoot that rig some day :tup:

You take me yote or bear hunting and you got a deal  :tup:
Title: Re: School me on AR's
Post by: demontang on August 02, 2012, 09:27:39 PM
Sounds good to me.  :tup:
Title: Re: School me on AR's
Post by: demontang on August 02, 2012, 09:29:58 PM
I might have to dig up some brass I've found and give it to you too.
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