Post by: bearpaw on July 25, 2012, 07:37:24 PM
Without any national debate -- and after secret negotiations -- Obama is going to sign the Arms Trade Treaty which will lead to UN imposed gun control.
US Will Sign Gun Control Treaty on July 27! Dick Morris TV: Lunch ALERT! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZeJpXLsVCI#ws)
How the Obama Administration will avoid Senate Confirmation (which would fail) and how the UN Gun Treaty will be enforced in America.
Hillary's End Run on Gun Control! Dick Morris TV: Lunch ALERT! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0Qm-mShNSg#ws)
Post by: netcoyote on July 25, 2012, 07:50:37 PM
Post by: B-Nut on July 25, 2012, 08:16:49 PM
Post by: Russ McDonald on July 25, 2012, 08:20:49 PM
Post by: Mudman on July 25, 2012, 08:38:48 PM
Post by: huntrights on July 25, 2012, 08:45:22 PM
I hope everyone has written their Representatives!
Here is the link to help you contact your Representatives (Senators and Congressmen):
http://dickmorris.rallycongress.com/7175/gun-control/
Time is running out! ALL of you must contact your Representatives!
Post by: JODakota on July 25, 2012, 09:09:33 PM
Post by: Bean Counter on July 25, 2012, 09:25:05 PM
Post by: 6x6in6 on July 25, 2012, 09:36:53 PM
hook line and sinker........
http://www.snopes.com/politics/guns/untreaty.asp (http://www.snopes.com/politics/guns/untreaty.asp)
Post by: sebek556 on July 25, 2012, 09:41:44 PM
Post by: sebek556 on July 25, 2012, 09:50:29 PM
look at the List of non-governmental organizations. then tell me they don't want to take away your guns..
Post by: 3dsheetmetal on July 25, 2012, 09:56:21 PM
Post by: HUNTINCOUPLE on July 25, 2012, 10:02:19 PM
Post by: bearpaw on July 26, 2012, 12:33:11 AM
Really folks?
hook line and sinker........
http://www.snopes.com/politics/guns/untreaty.asp (http://www.snopes.com/politics/guns/untreaty.asp)
http://rense.com/general93/snopes.htm (http://rense.com/general93/snopes.htm)
Snopes Exposed - Another Soros Enterprise
From Spice
3-27-11
Snopes is heavily financed by George Soros, a big time supporter of Obama!
".. In our Search for the truth....department, we find what I have suspected on many occasions. I went to Snopes to check this out and they said it was false and there were no such dockets so I 'Googled' the Supreme Court, typed in 'Obama-Kagan,' and guess what? Yep you got it. Snopes lied. Everyone of those dockets are there.So Here is what I wrote Snopes:
Referencing the article about Elena Kagan and Barak Obama dockets: The information you have posted stating that there were no such cases as claimed and the examples you gave are blatantly false. I went directly to the Supreme Court's website, typed in Obama Kagan and immediately came up with all of the dockets that the article made reference to.. I have long suspected that you really slant things but this was really shocking.
Thank You, I hope you will be much more truthful in the future.
*****
That being said, I'll bet you didn't know this...
Kagan was representing Obama in all the petitions to prove his citizenship. Now she may help rule on them.
Folks, this is really ugly. Chicago Politics; and the beat goes on and on and on...
Once again, the US Senate sold us out! Well, someone figured out why Obama nominated Elana Kagan for the Supreme Court...
Pull up the Supreme Courts website, go to the docket and search for Obama. She was the Solicitor General for all the suits against him filed with the Supreme Court to show proof of natural born citizenship.. He owed her big time. All of the requests were denied of course. They were never heard. It just keeps getting deeper and deeper, doesn't it? The American people mean nothing any longer. It's all about payback time for those who compromised themselves to elect someone that really has no true right to even be there.
Here are some websites of the Supreme Court Docket:
You can look up some of these hearings and guess what?? Elana Kagan is the attorney representing Obama!!!
Check out these examples
http://www.supremecourt.gov/Search.aspx?FileName=/docketfiles/09-8857.htm (http://www.supremecourt.gov/Search.aspx?FileName=/docketfiles/09-8857.htm)
http://www.supremecourt.gov/Search.aspx?FileName=/docketfiles/09-8857.htm (http://www.supremecourt.gov/Search.aspx?FileName=/docketfiles/09-8857.htm)
http://www.supremecourt.gov/Search.aspx?FileName=/docketfiles/09-6790.htm (http://www.supremecourt.gov/Search.aspx?FileName=/docketfiles/09-6790.htm)
http://www.supremecourt.gov/Search.aspx?FileName=/docketfiles/09-6790.htm (http://www.supremecourt.gov/Search.aspx?FileName=/docketfiles/09-6790.htm)
http://www.supremecourt.gov/Search.aspx?FileName=/docketfiles/09-724.htm (http://www.supremecourt.gov/Search.aspx?FileName=/docketfiles/09-724.htm)
http://www.supremecourt.gov/Search.aspx?FileName=/docketfiles/09-724.htm (http://www.supremecourt.gov/Search.aspx?FileName=/docketfiles/09-724.htm)
Note: Kagan as solicitor general was required by law to handle the cases in question, but this by no means removes the shadow of possible impropriety and payback by the Obama administration when nominating her for SOTA.
Post by: huntrights on July 26, 2012, 08:13:37 AM
Thanks for exposing SNOPES. Too many people believe if SNOPES says it is TRUE or FALSE, that it must be the truth and there is no need to investigate further. All of you SNOPES followers out there, please realize that SNOPES is just another website with an OPINION (that just might be biased). You still must do your own research to validate the facts.
Back to the main topic:
The U.N. Arms Trade Treaty is a threat that we must oppose. Tomorrow (July 27th) is when Hillary signs.
Take Action to Protect All Hunting Firearms
Here's another link to make it easy:
http://capwiz.com/safariclubinternational/utr/2/?a=61591211&i=117054383&c=&u=www.scifirstforhunters.org%2Fadvocacy%2Fcontactcongressman
Post by: buckfvr on July 26, 2012, 08:36:31 AM
Post by: huntrights on July 26, 2012, 08:40:56 AM
We live in the most corrupt country in the world.......who do you, who can you believe......
Our country is far better than most.
If you have doubts about any information, you must dig in and do your own research to validate the facts. Don't rely on OPINION websites to validate facts.
Post by: LiveandLearn on July 26, 2012, 08:48:31 AM
http://www.state.gov/s/l/treaty/faqs/70139.htm (http://www.state.gov/s/l/treaty/faqs/70139.htm)
How the hell can a law (treaty) that isn't a law force us to obey another law (treaty) that isn't a law that will contradict our own constitution which is a law?
Post by: huntrights on July 26, 2012, 10:24:13 AM
U.S. Department of State website.
http://www.state.gov/s/l/treaty/faqs/70139.htm (http://www.state.gov/s/l/treaty/faqs/70139.htm)
"Is the United States a party to the Vienna Convention on the Law of Treaties?
No. The United States signed the treaty on April 24, 1970. The U.S. Senate has not given its advice and consent to the treaty. The United States considers many of the provisions of the Vienna Convention on the Law of Treaties to constitute customary international law on the law of treaties."
We do need to keep the record straight.
Post by: PolarBear on July 26, 2012, 10:31:58 AM
Post by: buckfvr on July 26, 2012, 10:35:57 AM
We live in the most corrupt country in the world.......who do you, who can you believe......
Our country is far better than most.
If you have doubts about any information, you must dig in and do your own research to validate the facts. Don't rely on OPINION websites to validate facts.
I agree.....here at home, for now. But on the world stage, we are in the thick of it with the worst there is.
Remember the promise of transparency ????? Came from the president and his administration, the most secretive administration in history......ofcourse that source would have to be disected as well.
Post by: copasj on July 26, 2012, 10:37:10 AM
We live in the most corrupt country in the world.......who do you, who can you believe......
I've been to a few other countries, and ours is definitely less corrupt than Thailand, Afghanistan, Iraq and the Philippines. That's not saying we are spotless, but "most corrupt" is blatantly false.
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Post by: buckfvr on July 26, 2012, 10:44:19 AM
Post by: huntrights on July 26, 2012, 11:00:51 AM
SUre, there are the blatantly corrupt countries you mentioned, but for a country that says heres where we are, but are actually WAY OUT THERE.........I think we are as bad as it gets. Think world power, financial power, all the corruption that has come to light in the last few years.....and its only tapping the surface.
:twocents:
Corruption can, and does occur around the world, in all countries. Human beings are unfortuanately corruptable. If you have traveled to other places around the world you would most likely realize that the U.S. is about as good as it gets. Our freedom is very unique and something we need to protect. Yes, there is corruption in our country and we continually need to identify it and weed it out. There is no utopia anywhere, we just have to continue to work toward continuous improvement. You can help to make things better by getting involved.
:twocents:
Post by: PolarBear on July 26, 2012, 12:24:20 PM
Post by: Bigshooter on July 26, 2012, 12:34:32 PM
Hopefully this will be one of the final nails in Obumble's coffin! If this does go through lat's pray that Romney turns around and takes us out of the UN entirely! That Bitch Hillary is partly to blame for this as well. She has been pushing for us to be more envolved in the UN, which includes arms treaties.
:yeah:
Post by: bearpaw on July 26, 2012, 12:43:58 PM
Interesting. The U.S. signed the Vienna Convention on the Law of Treaties in 1970, but never ratified it.
What a convoluted mess.
U.S. Department of State website.
http://www.state.gov/s/l/treaty/faqs/70139.htm (http://www.state.gov/s/l/treaty/faqs/70139.htm)
"Is the United States a party to the Vienna Convention on the Law of Treaties?
No. The United States signed the treaty on April 24, 1970. The U.S. Senate has not given its advice and consent to the treaty. The United States considers many of the provisions of the Vienna Convention on the Law of Treaties to constitute customary international law on the law of treaties."
We do need to keep the record straight.
I hope you are correct and I hope if it comes to this that the "G" figures this way.
Post by: Mudman on July 26, 2012, 12:51:39 PM
Post by: bearpaw on July 26, 2012, 12:59:53 PM
http://www.examiner.com/article/obama-out-of-the-closet-on-gun-control-o-reilly-unrepentant?cid=db_articles (http://www.examiner.com/article/obama-out-of-the-closet-on-gun-control-o-reilly-unrepentant?cid=db_articles)
Mitt Romney, who was in Bellevue earlier this year at the Meydenbauer Center, took a far different approach in remarks quoted by the Washington Post.
“I don’t happen to believe that America needs new gun laws,” Romney said in an interview with NBC. “A lot of what this young man did was clearly against the law, but the fact that it was against the law did not prevent it from happening.”
Post by: huntrights on July 26, 2012, 05:18:16 PM
Here's an alert email that was sent to SCI members:
http://www.scifirstforhunters.org/advocacy/contactcongressman
Dear SCI members,
Over the last four weeks the United Nations has been engaged in final negotiations on the terms of an Arms Trade Treaty (ATT). This treaty has the purported goal of reducing the illicit trade in arms. However the ATT is massive in scope, possibly covering every conventional weapon, from battleships and missiles to your common deer hunting rifle and ammunition.
The ATT has been in the works for more than a decade, and SCI has continually and consistently monitored its progress to protect hunters from the threats that it could pose. SCI has continually lobbied to exclude hunting firearms and ammunition entirely from the scope of the treaty.
Negotiations have been moving slowly during the months of June and July, however on July 24, 2012 a draft version of the treaty was released and it contains numerous provisions that are extremely dangerous to hunters. Some of the worst provisions of the draft are listed below.
• The current draft ignores the position of millions of sport shooters worldwide and includes all sporting arms, hunting rifles, and ammunition, instead of excluding this legal trade from the scope of the ATT. Sadly, the current United States administration has stated their support for the inclusion of sporting arms in the scope of the treaty.
• The current draft would require all signatory nations to establish a “national control system” to control the export of firearms and ammunition. This national control system could easily be interpreted as a national gun registration system by an anti-hunting administration.
• The draft fails to exclude the temporary import or export of firearms from its scope. This could add burdensome reporting requirements for even the temporary export of a firearm for a hunting trip.
• Article 11 of the draft treaty requires states to keep ten years of records for all arms exported. A country must keep records of “quantity, value, model/type, authorized arms transfers, arms actually transferred, details of exporting State(s), recipient State(s), and end users.” This requirement also applies to arms that merely transit or transship through a country. This huge bureaucratic undertaking could devastate traveling hunters as it is much more likely that air carriers will stop shipping firearms than comply with this unduly burdensome requirements.
• Article 13 would establish a new U.N. bureaucracy that would oversee national implementation of the treaty. This Orwellian named “Implementation Support Unit” would facilitate and oversee the implementation of the treaty.
• Finally, the draft treaty also contains an insidious clause in Article 23 that would essentially apply the treaty to countries whether or not they even sign the treaty. This clause requires that “States Parties shall apply Articles 3-5 to all transfers of conventional arms within the scope of this Treaty to those not party to this Treaty.” This unacceptable position undermines state sovereignty and must be opposed.
The bitter irony of all this is that the United States already has the most comprehensive set of export controls in the world. Other nations could simply emulate these protocols and address any problem, real or perceived.
We need every SCI member and hunter to contact their senators and the President and urge them to oppose this dangerous treaty. Please click here to contact your legislators now.
http://www.scifirstforhunters.org/advocacy/contactcongressman