Hunting Washington Forum
Other Hunting => Waterfowl => Topic started by: h2ofowlr on August 01, 2012, 07:06:06 PM
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Does anyone screen who they take as sponsors? I see Banded is on this page. :bash: No good.
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is banded no good?
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ya, why?
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:dunno:
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Maybe Banded is a Bandit :dunno:
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Why.
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H20 Why would you post something like this and not explain yourself :dunno: Come on and clue us in man !
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:yeah:
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:dunno:
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If there is a legitimate reason they should not be a sponsor we certainly want to know so we can check it out.
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Ties back to this I believe.
http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php?topic=100746.0 (http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php?topic=100746.0)
THANKS,
Like I said, if there is a legitimate reason they should not be a sponsor we certainly want to know so we can check it out. This sounds like one hunter irritated at another, we've certainly seen that online before. We need to see something of substance, neither members or sponsors should be banned for unproven claims. :twocents:
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I think it was a cleverly thought out marketing scheme to get people to click on the link. I did!
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I think it was a cleverly thought out marketing scheme to get people to click on the link. I did!
I think u nailed it on the head ..Just tactic so people click on to it .... was interresting though :chuckle: :chuckle: :dunno:
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There is lots of info on the Fudge, Duckchat and other waterfowl sites in regards to Banded Hunts, Banded Gear, Chad Belding, etc. I left it vague to not start a snarl with some of the young crowd that may be enticed by the designs of some of the wear. I sent a pm to a mod to give a little info so this could be a civil thread. Sorry for the lack of info on the thread.
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Guys,
I did not mean to ruffle any feathers (No pun intended) by offering to sponsor this site. We had a great conversation a couple weeks ago and I enjoyed it immensely. I met Dale via PM and was impressed with the site he runs...that's it, plain and simple. I am not stupid, I do not expect all comments to be positive or any for that matter. It's just good to be able to discuss problems and address concerns directly with folks.
In response to h2ofowlr, I understand your concern but I also understand that in the list of companies you mentioned, Banded was not in there. You named Banded Hunts, Banded Gear, and Chad Belding. (I'm quite sure that Chad is the point of your anger) but Banded is not under Chad's group of companies however, like I explained before, we sponsor his shows.
Obviously, we do not want to be where we are not wanted and I do not want to cause Dale undue stress, problems, and potential loss of forum members. Therefore, if you would rather us not sponsor the site, please message Dale and he can remove the banner immediately. No harm, no hard feelings, no problems. So, for those that are upset because we sponsored this forum, I apologize. If you want us to go, we'll go. If not, I hope to get to know each of you and hopefully share a blind together some day.
All the best,
Christian
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welcome to the site :tup: :tup: :tup:
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Christian, You seem like a decent dude based on your 10 posts and I have nothing good or bad to say about you, "chad", or your products. However you seem to be ok with seperating yourself a bit from "Chad" yet he is listed on your stie as follows:
Chad Belding - Partner, Social Media and Television Marketing;
Seems since he is a partner in the company that hes playing a pretty substantial role with Banded. I wouldnt mind a new topic started up by you going over your products and explaining your company a little bit since you are a new site sponsor. I checked out your web site and it looks like you have some nice stuff on there.
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I apologize for seemingly 'separating' myself or our company from Chad. That is not the intention as we are proud sponsors of his shows and he is an integral part of our company/marketing department a well. My meaning was, as poorly as it was obviously written, was to explain that Banded is owned by Maxx Outdoors based in Council Bluffs, IA. All of the other companies that were previously mentioned are owned by Banded Nation, based in Reno. So to be clear, I am not distancing myself from Chad and I apologize if it sounded that way in the previous post.
As far as talking about our products, I'd like to wait and see the verdict on our sponsorship. As I have said numerous times in my previous posts, I hate spam and hate spammers...I respect what Dale has going here and in no way want to detract from that. Therefore, I would never spam his site (Which could be considered the case if our sponsorship is rejected). Out of respect for him, I'd like to wait before I talk too much about the products.
Thanks for understanding,
Christian
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I have no problem with the company banded or you Christian,but it seems like chad is the face of the company and that is the reason why so many people have a problem with it,i think its stupid we are taking this out on you but you are the brave one who signed up for this wether you knew it or not, i like the products you guys produce but i will not buy because it seems like chad is gonna benefit from it and i will not support him :twocents:
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Lighten up on Banded, guys. It's a company trying to find customers where they are. Dale provides the vehicle for that and hopefully gets enough out of it to make it worth his time to keep this great site open for all of us to enjoy. Who cares if that Chad guy is a complete toolshed or not - you don't have to deal with him on any level if you don't want to. Don't like Banded for whatever reason? Just don't click the link - but dogging out a company because of their marketing strategy is a bit much. It's like saying you'd never buy a Chevy truck because that Bob Seger concert you went to back in 1984 was terrible.
And, as ridiculous as it is, I watched that whole truck-washing commercial. With the sound off. No frickin' idea what Banded sells from that ad, and don't care. Hot girls, garden hoses and white T shirts get a couple minutes of my time.
Welcome to the board, Christian.
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Lighten up on Banded, guys. It's a company trying to find customers where they are. Dale provides the vehicle for that and hopefully gets enough out of it to make it worth his time to keep this great site open for all of us to enjoy. Who cares if that Chad guy is a complete toolshed or not - you don't have to deal with him on any level if you don't want to. Don't like Banded for whatever reason? Just don't click the link - but dogging out a company because of their marketing strategy is a bit much. It's like saying you'd never buy a Chevy truck because that Bob Seger concert you went to back in 1984 was terrible.
And, as ridiculous as it is, I watched that whole truck-washing commercial. With the sound off. No frickin' idea what Banded sells from that ad, and don't care. Hot girls, garden hoses and white T shirts get a couple minutes of my time.
Welcome to the board, Christian.
:yeah: :hello:
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Christian,
You sound like a nice guy. You must be the PR or Marketing manager for the company. Unfortunately you have your hands full being tied in with Chad. I won’t sponsor anything tied to his name. It’s like a Wal Mart moving into a little town and putting all the mom and pop shops out of business. Same effect for the waterfowling world. He was here a few weeks back looking at another key waterfowl spot trying to tie it up for the Banded Hunts guys. At this rate you will have a whole crew of 18-35 year olds sitting in front of a TV watching Chad’s show while wearing your gear because they lost their spot to hunt. They tied up several more Quality Hunting spots which Brandon Roozen had spent countless hours trying to secure with grant money from the state to allow individuals to hunt for FREE. The guys can continue to support his ties while they keep spending money tying up spots on the west side. I should place a map with all the locations Banded guys have tied up to open everyone’s eyes. They are hunting in your back yard in many cases. 20+ acre spots to several hundred acres in other cases, specifically in NW Washington and this doesn’t touch what they are tying up in Eastern Washington. I breath waterfowling 24/7 and year around and am involved in WWA, Ducks Unlimited amongst other groups and spend the off season making preparations for the following year. I haven’t missed a duck season in over 30 years and spent over 90 days in the field last year. I spend a lot of money on waterfowl gear and leases each year. I choose not to be a paid guide as I am rewarded the chance to bring individuals to my spots for FREE and teach them about waterfowling. They don’t need a $150 call, a lanyard full of e-bay bands or a thug look to make them look cool. I have enough gear to outfit the guys if need be.
Unfortunately many don’t take the hard stance and then everyone hears about the complaining after the fact. I have to ask what your company is doing for the waterfowl sport. What do you think non-hunters will think when they see some of the clothing that Chad and others pose in? Out in Washington, our vote majority swings with the larger Seattle area. They are very, let’s say earth and bunny friendly. So, when they start see a new bad a$$ looking waterfowl killing machine how will they swing on votes for re-zoning shooting zones, hunting between high and low water marks.
I have had the pleasure of being part of the Huntwa community for the fact that it represents Washington, the Washington hunter and gives a voice to the little guy. It helps create unity or division amongst the ranks at times, but it is still a form of chat, entertainment, bragging rights and civil discussion.
Fortunately, I am not a mod, so my two cents may not carry any weight. I work to help keep spots open, oppose closure of spots and try to fight the salmon restoration and dike removal projects involving public waterfowl spots. I continue to follow all the waterfowl trends very closely and I typically like new gadgets to try. But, when the dust settles this touches home on a bigger pitcher than a part time waterfowler that likes your add. As seen he will probably buy your gear and then asks me to lay off because he thinks he looks great in it and that I am too harsh. I will continue my stance and won’t support your products or gear nor will I let any hunting party that hunts with me wear it out of respect for those that have had to deal with Chad and his crew.
Tony
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I don't kow this Chad character, but that pic makes him look like a clown IMO. :twocents:
If they are leasing the QH spots then I definately must agree with h2ofowlr. What is he doing for WA hunters? I may only hunt ducks 10 days a year, but its all public land and 75% of the time it is the QH spots. :twocents:
I can't afford a lease or to pay a guide. I just enjoy taking my kids hunting
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I'm with ya h2o.
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Howdy from Buckley town!!!!!!!
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Thanks for your explanation Tony and yes, I think I'm a pretty nice guy! Actually, I am not a PR or marketing guy...I'm a duck hunter that builds and designs some of the products. Know nothing about marketing. I just know that to sell your products, you have to be out there talking to the people that are going to (potentially) be using it. Bear with me as I address your points below...
1. "At this rate you will have a whole crew of 18-35 year olds sitting in front of a TV watching Chad’s show while wearing your gear because they lost their spot to hunt."
I'm 40, my son is 13. If I thought for one second...ONE SECOND, that us making/selling these products would make it impossible for my son to hunt well into his golden years, I would never in a million year...A MILLION years, do what I'm doing. Waterfowling is my heritage and I will do nothing to risk disrespecting my grandfather or my grandfather's father or the legacy they left me.
2. "They tied up several more Quality Hunting spots which Brandon Roozen had spent countless hours trying to secure with grant money from the state to allow individuals to hunt for FREE" "spent over 90 days in the field last year. I spend a lot of money on waterfowl gear and leases each year. I choose not to be a paid guide as I am rewarded the chance to bring individuals to my spots for FREE and teach them about waterfowling. They don’t need a $150 call, a lanyard full of e-bay bands or a thug look to make them look cool. I have enough gear to outfit the guys if need be."
I am not going to say that Banded Hunts/Chad haven't "tied up" some quality hunting spots...I'm sure they have as that is an outfitting service. I operated a guide service for 6 years and "tied up" some great hunting spots close to my home. As a matter of fact, outfitters "tie up" good hunting spots all over the world, not just "out west." Actually you said you lease aka "tie up" some hunting spots yourself...and I'm sure they are quality as well. Brandon Roozen also tried to "tie up" some quality hunting spots with state grant money...I don't know Brandon, I'm sure he's a great guy but where does that state grant money come from? Tax payers? The difference seems to be that you and Brandon take people for free whereas Chad and Banded Hunts charges (As do about a million other outfitters around the globe). I'm just going out on a limb here but I'm going to say that maybe the deal is you have the resources to hunt 90 days a year, lease ground, buy gear, and outfit everyone you take for free...Not everyone...let me rephrase that, nobody I know has the pockets to fund such an operation. I commend you as somewhere along the way you were very successful at something to be able to do these things.
3. "I have to ask what your company is doing for the waterfowl sport."
That's a great question and I'm thrilled that you asked. We have been "in business" just a year. That is to say that we have spent the better part of a year developing our products and just now are starting to ship them to dealers. So we haven't taken in one dollar yet. But, in the beginning, as we sat around the table laying out our long term goals, we all knew we wanted to do something special and wanted to challenge ourselves to make a difference in peoples lives. We wanted to give back even before we took in. We wanted to help make a little boy or girl smile in the face of unthinkable tragedy. As we thought about the many different "usual" ways a hunting or waterfowl company contribute to conservation, we all kept coming back to our military. I don't have to tell you that if it wasn't for those men and women, none of this would be possible. Heck, this forum wouldn't be here. So, we pledged a percentage of every single item we sell to the Naval Special Warfare Family Foundation. Since 2001, these guys have lost many, many men (As have al branches of our service) and that means many children without dads, wives without husbands, and parents without sons. Since partnering with the NSWFF, I have taken two trips to Coronado and met what has to be the most amazing men on the planet. Just because the wars in Irag and Afghanistan seem to be somewhat subsiding, the SEaLs work is unrelenting...never ending...getting more busy by the day. They are in places across the globe. Africa, Central America, Philippines, etc. When I was there, I spent time with a retired SEaL officer that was the past CO of DevGru. I'll never forget what he told me...Team 3 had just returned from a deployment God knows where and they were cleaning their equipment and everything was pretty relaxed. I said, "Sir, I bet these guys are glad they're home." He replied, "Christian, you know, they are. They are glad to see their families but after they're home for 3 weeks, they're ready to go back. These guys are warriors plain and simple. They have brothers over there right now and if one of them gets killed, the guys here now will never forgive themselves." Then he took me to the memorial on the Team 3 quarterdeck. There was Mike Monsoor's memorial. This guy was on a roof with some of his teammates when an insurgent lobbed a grenade. The grenade bounced off his chest and landed at this feet. He was standing in a doorway and his teammates were in front of him exposed on that roof. He didn't duck into the doorway as he easily could have, he dove on top of the grenade and saved his brothers. There in front of me was everything he had on that day and above it hung his Congressional Medal of Honor. That hit me right in the gut. And all those 18-35 year olds that you referred to... while they are sitting in front of the TV wearing our gear, they will at least be helping ease the pain in some way for one of brave warriors family. So to answer your question, we have committed a pretty good package to a few DU chapter banquets and I'm sure we'll do much more in the future but at this moment our major committment is listed above and I can say this with 100% of everything I am made of...I AM DAMN PROUD OF IT! You can learn more about what the NSWFF does by clicking on the link on the home page of our website or for those of you who refuse to go to our website here is the link http://www.seal-nswfamilyfoundation.org/ (http://www.seal-nswfamilyfoundation.org/)
4. "As seen he will probably buy your gear and then asks me to lay off because he thinks he looks great in it and that I am too harsh. I will continue my stance and won’t support your products or gear nor will I let any hunting party that hunts with me wear it out of respect for those that have had to deal with Chad and his crew."
I 100% respect your opinion and your position but I don't understand it. You have said your self that you lease aka "tie up" ground. By leasing aka "tying up" ground you are also securing ground that others may not hunt on. You take people for free...what if a guy doesn't like you or doesn't want to hunt with you, can he take 6 of his friends on your lease and hunt at will...any time...without asking you? You do it for free because you're blessed with the resources to do it. Banded Hunts charges people as do a majority of the outfitters I know. Heck, I couldn't run a club out of my pocket and I don't know anyone that could. So that begs the question...is your problem with Chad only because he happened to lease some ground in Washington or is it with every outfitter in the world that leases ground and charges to take people hunting?
I greatly appreciate being able to discuss these issues with you in a public forum like this. I appreciate Dale providing this avenue for questions and the opportunity to answer them.
Christian
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And now it gets even more confusing for me....after I posted and went to the front page two posts down was a guy asking for guide recommendations. The thread is on to a second page and nobody has offered to take this guy for free.
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H20 I am with you all the way man .... we think alot the same ... there is another Banded Hunts in my area and I think he is trying to be like Chad ...I do not like it because of the reason you have already mentioned ...These guys leasing up this land to hunt waterfowl is killing us and landowners are catching on to it ...it will not be long and we will have nowhere to go unless we have money to tie up some land ....not for it and never will be for it .... :tup:
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CCurtis,
Yuo seem like a ridiculously stand up guy, answering all of these questions with great patience.
Welcome to the site.
(It does seem silly, perhps even hypocritical, for a guy to "tie-up" duck hunting property and then get all bent when somebody else does it.)
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Just curious, but don't most guides "tie-up" hunting property? Why is this guy getting grief for what everyone else is also doing?
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Its because they are tying up land that is open to the public that is the main issue I believe. eliminating spots the average Joe can show up and hunt. diminishing opportunity for a lot of waterfowlers that don't have the time or opportunity to secure private spots.
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Christian,
When we talk about leasing, it wasn’t something I wanted or planned on doing. I was lucky enough to have several of the farmers call and let me know that someone was offering them payment for my spots. You got it, the guide service. So, my hand shake, a few smoked salmon and a little work on the farm got expensive really quick. So, in order to continue the tradition that started with my great grandfather, grandfather and father, like yourself, I was forced to pull money out to hang onto my spot. I guess we look at it slightly different. I have been fortunate in the fact that I had money to offer or I wouldn’t be talking about a lease. The bad part is I can’t compete on funds that a guide service offers as they get $250-$300 for each guy. They may be able to offer farmers $2k - $20K+ per spot for a season, but most can’t or won’t do it around here.
I imagine that you have fairly large tracks of land you lease up for your guide service? We have a lot of houses in Western Washington, you should come out sometime and see what it looks like. It’s vastly different from Eastern Washington where a guide service may have 50k to 150k acres worth of land to hunt on. Those are varying size tracks that cover multiple towns / counties in many cases.
You can sit from the comforts of your house and watch the Banded guys hunt. They just placed a new pit blind as well, so clients can also watch you have coffee. Good stuff.
Thanks for the civil rhetoric. If we met on different terms and your outfit wasn’t on the back of Chad we might see things differently. The guy is a glorified car salesman with the blood of a snake, so it’s unfortunate you’re trying to ride the Chad wave. A lot of true waterfowl hunters hope he goes away like Mc Hammer.
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I'm asking this to learn...
In the state of Washington, an individual can lease state owned public hunting ground?
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CCurtis,
Yuo seem like a ridiculously stand up guy, answering all of these questions with great patience.
Welcome to the site.
(It does seem silly, perhps even hypocritical, for a guy to "tie-up" duck hunting property and then get all bent when somebody else does it.)
Dan,
I take it your not a duck hunter. You get bent over by the guide services, you are forced to pay or you loose your spot. Many guys didn't have the money, so they are getting booted out of spots they have hunted since kids. The farmer would call you to get the ducks out of his field. Now a sign greats you that warmly says NO TRESSPASSING. Don't know if you have scene one of these. Guess what, there is a ton of them in every little spot that all the locals have hunted in for a decade. A lot of them literally went up in the past two years. I know a dozen guys that have hung up there gear in the last year due to loss of spots. Not hypocritical, just trying to hang onto a sport that I love, why a group tries to comercialize duck hunting in your back yard. It's sh**y that you have to pay a fee to cross your fence to shoot a duck. :twocents:
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I'm asking this to learn...
In the state of Washington, an individual can lease state owned public hunting ground?
No, I think it was meant that a WDFW employee was trying to lease the ground. There is a state program where they use funds to open private land for hunting by the public. I think that is what he was referring to.
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I'm asking this to learn...
In the state of Washington, an individual can lease state owned public hunting ground?
No, the state was leasing private ground from farmers for the public to use. Prime duck hunting spots for all to use. Banded Hunts has come in and is trying to tie several private spots up that the public have been hunting while using there hunting license fee's in the form of a grant to give back to the hunters.
License fee's took a sharp rise. They alocate a specific amount. The state goes in and offers farmers a fee to allow access to the public in specific blinds locations with safety zones. The farmers aren't bugged constantly by people knocking on doors and the state covers the liability of the land owner incase an accident were to take place. The farmer wouldn't loose his home or be sued. Banded have taken several of those spots. Everyone in the area is loosing out from that deal as it is first come first serve.
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I didn't make it clear in my previous post but we are no longer in business...the mighty Mississippi made sure of that but we had one 1200 acre block of ground.
I guess we do look at things different. I see it as an unfortunate natural progression. As the population grows and houses are built as you describe, there are logically less places to hunt all the while more duck stamps are sold. So you have more hunters with less places. You have farmers that are tired of answering the door 500 times per season from hunters asking for permission and the opportunity to receive payment for a desired commodity (Obviously their land) and the comfort of not being bothered by people beating on their door. So to fault a guide for offering money to a farmer or faulting a farmer with a desired commodity for taking payment seems odd. Maybe this practice is just reaching your area but it is all I've known. The US is covered by duck clubs that rent ground that are way older than either of us.
As far as Chad going away like MC Hammer...that is a classic! I will definitely be using that one!
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It may be like that all over the US but in the last couple years the economy has taken a plunge and the avg joe cant afford to go and pay for a spot,but you (ccurtis) not being from Washington you don't know how hard it is to even find a public spot to hunt,and now throwing a greedy guide into the mix just doesn't help, if its such a great guide service why wouldnt they just keep the land public and do public land guiding like alot of the guide services i know of do,and they do very good, :twocents:
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BC, you are correct. I am not from Washington and have never had a chance to hunt in Washington. So you're right, I shouldn't be talking about Washington specific issues like this. For that I apologize. I just know how it is here and most of the other places I have been.
I realize that you and the other hunters that have lost their ground or are in fear of losing their ground to Banded Hunts will never buy our products. I hate it, but realize it. Hopefully though, we can continue to have good discussions about duck hunting on here from time to time.
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Lighten up on Banded, guys. It's a company trying to find customers where they are. Dale provides the vehicle for that and hopefully gets enough out of it to make it worth his time to keep this great site open for all of us to enjoy. Who cares if that Chad guy is a complete toolshed or not - you don't have to deal with him on any level if you don't want to. Don't like Banded for whatever reason? Just don't click the link - but dogging out a company because of their marketing strategy is a bit much. It's like saying you'd never buy a Chevy truck because that Bob Seger concert you went to back in 1984 was terrible.
And, as ridiculous as it is, I watched that whole truck-washing commercial. With the sound off. No frickin' idea what Banded sells from that ad, and don't care. Hot girls, garden hoses and white T shirts get a couple minutes of my time.
Welcome to the board, Christian.
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Welcome to the site! Sorry about other members whom are refusing to accept your company because of a person who you sponsor. I agree with Skillet, maybe we should boycott Subway if we don't like Apollo Ono(sp) olympic skater or maybe we shouldn't buy Fords if you dislike Mike Row.
I am glad you and your company decided you sponsor this site! You doing that keeps this site FREE to use for the 11k+ members. Thanks again. People will clam down as soon as hunting season starts.
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H20 I am with you all the way man .... we think alot the same ... there is another Banded Hunts in my area and I think he is trying to be like Chad ...I do not like it because of the reason you have already mentioned ...These guys leasing up this land to hunt waterfowl is killing us and landowners are catching on to it ...it will not be long and we will have nowhere to go unless we have money to tie up some land ....not for it and never will be for it .... :tup:
Me to H20.........
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If Banded hadn't leased those lands, some other guide service/hunting club would have leased it sooner or later. Hunting clubs have been tying-up duck hunting lands for decades in this state. I don't like it, but I wouldn't hold that against Banded. :twocents:
Just look at big-game hunting in this State too. Now we have to buy a discover pass to access DNR lands and timber companies are now charging access fees. Access to all hunting lands is getting harder and more expensive every year. :(
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H20 I am with you all the way man .... we think alot the same ... there is another Banded Hunts in my area and I think he is trying to be like Chad ...I do not like it because of the reason you have already mentioned ...These guys leasing up this land to hunt waterfowl is killing us and landowners are catching on to it ...it will not be long and we will have nowhere to go unless we have money to tie up some land ....not for it and never will be for it .... :tup:
Me to H20.........
It's called capitalism. :tup:
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being an outside eye here, i think the differance is, H2OFOWLER, ties up land and takes people huntn for free, and not sure but probably lets people hunt there for free, when banded ties up land do they take people huntn for free, will they let people hunt their leased land for free, these are just questions..... hey h2ofowler, i have some private land that has some good duck huntn on it, well i just found out that it was turned into a no shootn zone, well a cop came to my house and made me aware of it but also said that it would be fairly easy to go to a county council meeting and get it to where a guy can atleast shoot shotguns, he even said he would accompany to these county council meetings, if i set somethn up and can get it back to a shotgun zone, i would be willing to let you use my land for your duck huntn service for free.
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Welcome to the site, Christian. You sure sound like a stand-up guy to me! :tup:
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K someone explain who the Hell chad is! Christian, you seem to have a great business. I think the problem is that you sponsor this chad guy and it appears that a lot of guys don't like him. So please keep in mind that the people you sponsor reflect on to your business..
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being an outside eye here, i think the differance is, H2OFOWLER, ties up land and takes people huntn for free, and not sure but probably lets people hunt there for free, when banded ties up land do they take people huntn for free, will they let people hunt their leased land for free, these are just questions..... hey h2ofowler, i have some private land that has some good duck huntn on it, well i just found out that it was turned into a no shootn zone, well a cop came to my house and made me aware of it but also said that it would be fairly easy to go to a county council meeting and get it to where a guy can atleast shoot shotguns, he even said he would accompany to these county council meetings, if i set somethn up and can get it back to a shotgun zone, i would be willing to let you use my land for your duck huntn service for free.
Just to play devil's advocate...
If you are trying not to "tie it up" by allowing H20 only to hunt it, why don't you post up the GPS Coordinates for all of us to have public access to it? Selectively handing out permission - for whatever reason - is not that much different than leasing it to somebody. But, it's private property, and you're doing what you want with it. Entirely your right. And other private property owners are doing what they want with theirs, which probably includes having to lease out hunting privileges just to pay the ever increasing costs of doing business as a farm/ranch etc.
Getting mad at Chad for offering to lease is a little shortsighted. It was going to happen sooner or later - landowners are having to make more money off of the land they have to take care of, and a lease also protects them from sue-happy idiots that think a great place for their old refrigerator is right down in that ditch. Yes, we can be pi$$ed off that farmers are leasing instead of doing it the old way. I lost a perfect situation for me when I lived in Spokane to a group that came in and leased up a over a thousand acres of ranch land with a 47 acre lake on it. I shot my first deer there, first goose, first grouse, first "any kind of duck you can imagine", ground squirrel, hun, pheasant, coyote, etc. Plus the lake had great fishing as well. My Grandpa was good friends with the rancher and the guy liked me real well, too. I practically lived there when I got old enough to drive - but one day I get down there and there are signs and a lock on the gate. I got a "sorry, son" when I went to go ask if I could get a key. Later learned from my Grandpa that he had to do it to keep the ranch going. Beef was down and costs were up. I was pretty tore up over it back then, but I understood.
So, I don't have access to any great private property on a handshake or help fixing fences any more. I pay for access now - bought a Hancock permit again this year. If I wanted to go duck hunting, with my limited time and virtually no duck gear left, I'd just go looking for a guide to pay to take me out now. Probably not that Chad guy, tho - he looks like he's trying to win some sort of Brett Michaels look alike contest...
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One time long ago, a guy I worked with answered an ad that he heard Paul Harvey advertise. Because he was a great admirer of Paul Harvey, he thought his advertisers would be honest square dealers too. Afterwards my workmate would go to great lengths to tell everyone what a "ripoff outfit" it was that advertised on the Paul Harvey show. Another friend a while back said he was going to contact a firm that advertised in the NRA magazine because if they advertised there, they had to be a trustworthy company. Bottom line is that paid advertising is exactly that--PAID advertising. It's all about the money, not the credibility of the advertiser. Caveat Emptor still applies! :twocents:
Edit: I guess I should have made the message more clear to those who came to Washington from Rio Linda--What I was trying to say is that you should not judge an advertiser by the venue he pays to advertise in, and vice-versa. Do your homework before you spend your money. Assume nothing! Not to say that all advertisers are bad. Some genuinely want to give good value for their product or service. Those are the people I do business with.
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I know how H20 feels ...last year my boys were So excited to go duck hunting and one morning they call me up around 4 am telling me one of our spots I have hunted over 25 yrs was posted with huge signs saying BANDED HUNT Club ...No tresspassing !!!! Then they went to another spot and the same damn sign was there too .. :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: This is the issue I have .. Our youth are being squeezed out of family traditions because it has become a greedy sport ...everyone see the dollar bills and how they have become the professional hunter ....I know we all see this different but I have to say I would never lease land to hunt from anyone ...I prefer getting permission where I can or hunting public lands...Public lands has lots of game but you need to but some effort into it ..I am totally against leasing land to hunt ....Just is setting the stage for disaster and actually it has already started !!!! :dunno: :bdid:
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i have some private land that has some good duck huntn on it, well i just found out that it was turned into a no shootn zone, well a cop came to my house and made me aware of it but also said that it would be fairly easy to go to a county council meeting and get it to where a guy can atleast shoot shotguns, he even said he would accompany to these county council meetings, if i set somethn up and can get it back to a shotgun zone, i would be willing to let you use my land for your duck huntn service for free.
Side note: WWA might be able to help with your "no shootn zone" issue.
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What I don't like about " Chad" is he plays waaaaaaaaay to much music during his predator show. If I wanted to listen to music, I'd turn on the radio.
I stopped recording and watching his show for that reason.
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One time long ago, a guy I worked with answered an ad that he heard Paul Harvey advertise. Because he was a great admirer of Paul Harvey, he thought his advertisers would be honest square dealers too. Afterwards my workmate would go to great lengths to tell everyone what a "ripoff outfit" it was that advertised on the Paul Harvey show. Another friend a while back said he was going to contact a firm that advertised in the NRA magazine because if they advertised there, they had to be a trustworthy company. Bottom line is that paid advertising is exactly that--PAID advertising. It's all about the money, not the credibility of the advertiser. Caveat Emptor still applies! :twocents:
:dunno: :dunno: :dunno:
Ties back to this I believe.
http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php?topic=100746.0 (http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php?topic=100746.0)
THANKS,
Like I said, if there is a legitimate reason they should not be a sponsor we certainly want to know so we can check it out. This sounds like one hunter irritated at another, we've certainly seen that online before. We need to see something of substance, neither members or sponsors should be banned for unproven claims. :twocents:
As posted in this topic previously, if there is a legitimate reason Banded should not be a sponsor we certainly want to know so we can check it out. Show us that they have broken laws, ripped off customers, or used porn in advertising and we'll reconsider their sponsorship.
Thus far, I see some guys who are upset with Chad a guy who is associated with Banded becuase they don't like the way he looks or the fact that he leased waterfowl hunting ground from farmers who have a right to lease to anyone they desire. My guess is that the guy from the state tried to lowball the landowners on the lease fees, Chad came in and offered more money and the landowner accepted, that's how free enterprise systems work.
I don't blame the landowner for opting for the higher lease fees and I don't blame anyone for trying to lease the ground for their business. My guess is that banded hunts will be looking for some Washington based hunting guides to run the hunts. I hope that some forum members can benefit from the employment opportunity and have a good time in the process.
I suggest the displaced hunters meet with the state and work up a plan for the state to offer the landowner a better deal. In spite of all the socialism in this world I am happy to see that landowners still have the right to do with their land somewhat as they please. I would also remind everyone that Washington hunters are blessed with roughly 50% public ownership of all land within the state.
I have seen nothing proving Banded has broken any laws, ripped off any customers, or crossed the line with their advertising. Members on this forum have posted far more revealing photos than the Banded advertisement which merely showed girls washing a truck who are clothed better than most girls walking the street on a hot summer day.
What I have seen is a representative from Banded who has handled himself and represented Banded in a most dignified manner in answering to the members of this forum. This leads me to believe that Banded is a company that will answer to their customers, they are concerned about their reputation, and a company I might want to do business with.
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I think the sad part is that this flys in the face of the WDFW doing such a good thing by going out of their way to open up quality private land to the public.
That and the fact that Chad isn't the personality most of us want representing us as waterfowl hunters in the public eye.
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I am glad you said something Bearpaw, this thread just doens't sit right with me either (especially since it is on the sponsors own page). If you are going to call someone out for making a living, you had better have something more than what was presented. So far, to me, it is just sour grapes and I don't know why we are even allowing it on this site?
I would like to personally thank all the sponsors of this site, it is good to see people making a go at it in the hunting/outdoors industry.
One time long ago, a guy I worked with answered an ad that he heard Paul Harvey advertise. Because he was a great admirer of Paul Harvey, he thought his advertisers would be honest square dealers too. Afterwards my workmate would go to great lengths to tell everyone what a "ripoff outfit" it was that advertised on the Paul Harvey show. Another friend a while back said he was going to contact a firm that advertised in the NRA magazine because if they advertised there, they had to be a trustworthy company. Bottom line is that paid advertising is exactly that--PAID advertising. It's all about the money, not the credibility of the advertiser. Caveat Emptor still applies! :twocents:
:dunno: :dunno: :dunno:
Ties back to this I believe.
http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php?topic=100746.0 (http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php?topic=100746.0)
THANKS,
Like I said, if there is a legitimate reason they should not be a sponsor we certainly want to know so we can check it out. This sounds like one hunter irritated at another, we've certainly seen that online before. We need to see something of substance, neither members or sponsors should be banned for unproven claims. :twocents:
As posted in this topic previously, if there is a legitimate reason Banded should not be a sponsor we certainly want to know so we can check it out. Show us that they have broken laws, ripped off customers, or used porn in advertising and we'll reconsider their sponsorship.
Thus far, I see some guys who are upset with Chad a guy who is associated with Banded becuase they don't like the way he looks or the fact that he leased waterfowl hunting ground from farmers who have a right to lease to anyone they desire. My guess is that the guy from the state tried to lowball the landowners on the lease fees, Chad came in and offered more money and the landowner accepted, that's how free enterprise systems work.
I don't blame the landowner for opting for the higher lease fees and I don't blame anyone for trying to lease the ground for their business. My guess is that banded hunts will be looking for some Washington based hunting guides to run the hunts. I hope that some forum members can benefit from the employment opportunity and have a good time in the process.
I suggest the displaced hunters meet with the state and work up a plan for the state to offer the landowner a better deal. In spite of all the socialism in this world I am happy to see that landowners still have the right to do with their land somewhat as they please. I would also remind everyone that Washington hunters are blessed with roughly 50% public ownership of all land within the state.
I have seen nothing proving Banded has broken any laws, ripped off any customers, or crossed the line with their advertising. Members on this forum have posted far more revealing photos than the Banded advertisement which merely showed girls washing a truck who are clothed better than most girls walking the street on a hot summer day.
What I have seen is a representative from Banded who has handled himself and represented Banded in a most dignified manner in answering to the members of this forum. This leads me to believe that Banded is a company that will answer to their customers, they are concerned about their reputation, and a company I might want to do business with.
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What's it cost to be a sponsor? Like $25? How much does it cost a year to run this site????
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I don't understand H20's anger over this, we've been dealing with people leasing up all the prime hunting around the Basin my whole life (clubs and guides) and all we've been told over and over is "we need to learn to deal with it!" So I guess what i'm trying to say is Adapt, and learn to deal with it! Banded sounds like an incredibly patient and decent person to put up with the rhetoric IMHO. :twocents:
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I paid $100 bucks to put a banner on top of the site and get my head beat in! Hahaha...Never paid for a "butt-whoopin" before!
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Not having a stake in this but understanding the different sides of the discussion I think Dale has put it best. Also, whether the dude in the hat looks like a Rick Springfield wanna be or not...CCurtis so far has been nothing but respectul of the site members.
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Guys,
Greatly appreciate the supportive posts and PM's. Appreciate them, but they aren't necessary. I'm a big boy and I realize that there are some people that are living in fear of losing their free places to hunt just like there are lots of people that live in fear of going to the mailbox once a month and a check not being in there. I don't see things the same as either one of these groups. There's nothing I can say or do as a representative of myself or Banded to change that.
What I can say is that through all this I've learned that I made the right choice by sponsoring this site and that the major reason that this thread started was "Sponsors Should be Screened"...Well the title of the thread should be changed to say "All Sponsors Should be Screened to Make Sure They Aren't Guides That Lease Land"...Much more accurate.
I have already met some great people on here...heck they all seem great just some have different viewpoints than I and that's what makes this country great! I look forward to many great discussions here and we've got some exciting Hunt Washington Exclusives coming! As far as this thread, I feel like I've answered all that has been asked and we're to the point of a lot of "yeah, what he said" posts. So, now we're just beating the preverbal dead horse which happens quite often on the internet. If you have any more questions or comments regarding this, feel free to pm me...unless of course it makes you feel better to "pound on me" in public, you're welcomed to do that and I will respond as I have to all the rest.
Thanks to everyone!
Christian
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I paid $100 bucks to put a banner on top of the site and get my head beat in! Hahaha...Never paid for a "butt-whoopin" before!
Don't let it get you down. Even a site like this has its share of Obama-voters!
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As a business owner myself, you have wayyyy more patience than me. Maybe I could learns something? From what has transpired, I would be asking for an apology!
I paid $100 bucks to put a banner on top of the site and get my head beat in! Hahaha...Never paid for a "butt-whoopin" before!
Don't let it get you down. Even a site like this has its share of Obama-voters!
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I didn't realize there were so many socialist amongst waterfowl hunters. I understand the jealousy or the disappointment that they are losing their places to hunt but I don't understand the whining. I actually think it's a good thing the landowners are getting paid market value for what their property provides. I never fail to realize that I am by far getting the better end of the deal when a landowner allows me to hunt on their property for no money and a little hard work.
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Um......are there any sponsers of this site that offer guided hunts of any kind that do not lease land and therefore restricting your chances of knocking on a door and gaining permission?
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Guys,
Greatly appreciate the supportive posts and PM's. Appreciate them, but they aren't necessary. I'm a big boy and I realize that there are some people that are living in fear of losing their free places to hunt just like there are lots of people that live in fear of going to the mailbox once a month and a check not being in there. I don't see things the same as either one of these groups. There's nothing I can say or do as a representative of myself or Banded to change that.
What I can say is that through all this I've learned that I made the right choice by sponsoring this site and that the major reason that this thread started was "Sponsors Should be Screened"...Well the title of the thread should be changed to say "All Sponsors Should be Screened to Make Sure They Aren't Guides That Lease Land"...Much more accurate.
I have already met some great people on here...heck they all seem great just some have different viewpoints than I and that's what makes this country great! I look forward to many great discussions here and we've got some exciting Hunt Washington Exclusives coming! As far as this thread, I feel like I've answered all that has been asked and we're to the point of a lot of "yeah, what he said" posts. So, now we're just beating the preverbal dead horse which happens quite often on the internet. If you have any more questions or comments regarding this, feel free to pm me...unless of course it makes you feel better to "pound on me" in public, you're welcomed to do that and I will respond as I have to all the rest.
Thanks to everyone!
Christian
:tup: Good post Christian. Welcome to the site.
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CCurtis,
Yuo seem like a ridiculously stand up guy, answering all of these questions with great patience.
Welcome to the site.
(It does seem silly, perhps even hypocritical, for a guy to "tie-up" duck hunting property and then get all bent when somebody else does it.)
Dan,
I take it your not a duck hunter. You get bent over by the guide services, you are forced to pay or you loose your spot. Many guys didn't have the money, so they are getting booted out of spots they have hunted since kids. The farmer would call you to get the ducks out of his field. Now a sign greats you that warmly says NO TRESSPASSING. Don't know if you have scene one of these. Guess what, there is a ton of them in every little spot that all the locals have hunted in for a decade. A lot of them literally went up in the past two years. I know a dozen guys that have hung up there gear in the last year due to loss of spots. Not hypocritical, just trying to hang onto a sport that I love, why a group tries to comercialize duck hunting in your back yard. It's sh**y that you have to pay a fee to cross your fence to shoot a duck. :twocents:
Uh, yeah, I hunt ducks..... on private property that I do not own. And sure, I hope that I get to keep hunting it with my kids and then they get to keep hunting it. I hunt 2 spots, both of which I have access to by helping and making friends the old fashioned way.
But, if either or both farmers lease their land to supplement their income..... well, it was their perfect right and it was the perfect right of the person who leased it (whether as a guide or as a guy who wants to be clean and pure and takes people out for free).
The point is: You're jumping down a guy's throat for trying to make an honest living. There's a little book titled "Who Moved my Cheese". You should read it. You can read it in an hour, and it might help you get over your feelings of entitlement.
And yes, I've experienced this exact pain. For years, I hunted a large ranch in eastern Washington for deer. It took effort to NOT go home with a decent 4-point muley buck. We had the sweetest deal imaginable..... and we only took people for free. Three years ago, the farmer sold his hunting rights. When he told me, I felt like crying, but I looked him in the eye and thanked him for the years of memories he'd let me build with my sons. I'm still struggling to find a good deer hunting spot...... If anyone wants to take me for free, I'm interested.... :-)
If you believe in capitalism and free market, then you have to walk the talk.
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I don't understand H20's anger over this, we've been dealing with people leasing up all the prime hunting around the Basin my whole life (clubs and guides) and all we've been told over and over is "we need to learn to deal with it!" So I guess what i'm trying to say is Adapt, and learn to deal with it! Banded sounds like an incredibly patient and decent person to put up with the rhetoric IMHO. :twocents:
It's a duck thing I guess. Most wouldn't understand on the forum where big game is the larger picture. It's these companies that are flying on the back of Chad. Won't support any of them in the waterfowl world. Doen't mean I am a socialist. And I can promise you I would never vote for Obama. If Christian wasn’t tied to Chad or sporting part of the name, we wouldn’t be having this conversation. I am all for small businesses, the little guy and our great advertisers. It’s interesting how he chose Huntwa where there is only one waterfowl thread. Just over 11k members where maybe 1% use the waterfowl portion. Maybe he is trying to break out of the mold. I have not seen any of his advertisements on the various waterfowl forums where his core audience is. Maybe it’s just been overlooked. When you type in Banded, unless it is a picture of a bird, it seems to get locked fairly quickly in many cases. It’s probably just me having a bad day. If the non-waterfowl community digs it, then so be it. Nothing against Christian as he has showed great class in the conversation sounds like a very marketable guy and I hope he sells his shares and buys a chunk of waterfowl ground to have fun on.
On a side note, if I spent a $100 to sponsor an ad for Defend the Wolves or Conservation Northwest and placed it on the front page of the big game section I would surely receive an ass chewing from most on the forum. The wolves are taking away a resource. I’m sure it was just going to happen anyway. P.S. I don’t like wolves and I will buy a tag to shoot one. I can though admire one on my wall.
I try to be for the waterfowler, I let you know how I feel. Some won’t like it, most I know strongly support it. I thank Dale for letting us get it off our chest, despite him probably not liking my stance. I wish you as a person the best. The name and it’s ties can be shed. I know the game, I just hate the new player, ie Banded.
Dan, I have read who moved my cheese. I purchased copies and provided them to my associates to read as well. It is a good book. Land is just one recent gripe. If memory recalls the Chad issue started back in the calling competition days. Another story for another thread.
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being an outside eye here, i think the differance is, H2OFOWLER, ties up land and takes people huntn for free, and not sure but probably lets people hunt there for free, when banded ties up land do they take people huntn for free, will they let people hunt their leased land for free, these are just questions..... hey h2ofowler, i have some private land that has some good duck huntn on it, well i just found out that it was turned into a no shootn zone, well a cop came to my house and made me aware of it but also said that it would be fairly easy to go to a county council meeting and get it to where a guy can atleast shoot shotguns, he even said he would accompany to these county council meetings, if i set somethn up and can get it back to a shotgun zone, i would be willing to let you use my land for your duck huntn service for free.
Just to play devil's advocate...
If you are trying not to "tie it up" by allowing H20 only to hunt it, why don't you post up the GPS Coordinates for all of us to have public access to it? Selectively handing out permission - for whatever reason - is not that much different than leasing it to somebody. But, it's private property, and you're doing what you want with it. Entirely your right. And other private property owners are doing what they want with theirs, which probably includes having to lease out hunting privileges just to pay the ever increasing costs of doing business as a farm/ranch etc.
Getting mad at Chad for offering to lease is a little shortsighted. It was going to happen sooner or later - landowners are having to make more money off of the land they have to take care of, and a lease also protects them from sue-happy idiots that think a great place for their old refrigerator is right down in that ditch. Yes, we can be pi$$ed off that farmers are leasing instead of doing it the old way. I lost a perfect situation for me when I lived in Spokane to a group that came in and leased up a over a thousand acres of ranch land with a 47 acre lake on it. I shot my first deer there, first goose, first grouse, first "any kind of duck you can imagine", ground squirrel, hun, pheasant, coyote, etc. Plus the lake had great fishing as well. My Grandpa was good friends with the rancher and the guy liked me real well, too. I practically lived there when I got old enough to drive - but one day I get down there and there are signs and a lock on the gate. I got a "sorry, son" when I went to go ask if I could get a key. Later learned from my Grandpa that he had to do it to keep the ranch going. Beef was down and costs were up. I was pretty tore up over it back then, but I understood.
So, I don't have access to any great private property on a handshake or help fixing fences any more. I pay for access now - bought a Hancock permit again this year. If I wanted to go duck hunting, with my limited time and virtually no duck gear left, I'd just go looking for a guide to pay to take me out now. Probably not that Chad guy, tho - he looks like he's trying to win some sort of Brett Michaels look alike contest...
skillet i have given people from this huntn site permission to hunt my place when ever they want, and i am all for the youth huntn more than happy to give kids permission to hunt, i personally dont like duck huntn, i likw taken my son out he loves it, but now that ots a no shootn zone which is b,s you would have to see my place to undestand so if someone can help getn it atleast a shotgun only zone that would be great and i would be happy to set it up to where people could come hunt in peace and quit
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jackMaster ...is this area close to town or what ...This no shooting zone sounds like a bunch of BS ..?
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Guys,
Greatly appreciate the supportive posts and PM's. Appreciate them, but they aren't necessary. I'm a big boy and I realize that there are some people that are living in fear of losing their free places to hunt just like there are lots of people that live in fear of going to the mailbox once a month and a check not being in there. I don't see things the same as either one of these groups. There's nothing I can say or do as a representative of myself or Banded to change that.
What I can say is that through all this I've learned that I made the right choice by sponsoring this site and that the major reason that this thread started was "Sponsors Should be Screened"...Well the title of the thread should be changed to say "All Sponsors Should be Screened to Make Sure They Aren't Guides That Lease Land"...Much more accurate.
I have already met some great people on here...heck they all seem great just some have different viewpoints than I and that's what makes this country great! I look forward to many great discussions here and we've got some exciting Hunt Washington Exclusives coming! As far as this thread, I feel like I've answered all that has been asked and we're to the point of a lot of "yeah, what he said" posts. So, now we're just beating the preverbal dead horse which happens quite often on the internet. If you have any more questions or comments regarding this, feel free to pm me...unless of course it makes you feel better to "pound on me" in public, you're welcomed to do that and I will respond as I have to all the rest.
Thanks to everyone!
Christian
Hate to say it but, there are thousands and thousands of public land to hunt on in Washington State. So muich that you'd never be able to cover it all in a lifetime..........
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skillet i have given people from this huntn site permission to hunt my place when ever they want, and i am all for the youth huntn more than happy to give kids permission to hunt, i personally dont like duck huntn, i likw taken my son out he loves it, but now that ots a no shootn zone which is b,s you would have to see my place to undestand so if someone can help getn it atleast a shotgun only zone that would be great and i would be happy to set it up to where people could come hunt in peace and quit
My hat's off to you then, jackmaster. People like you are rare and getting rarer and I'm glad there are a few of you guys around! :tup: Good luck with the no shooting zone thing - there is always a group of Birkenstocked knuckleheads with room-temperature IQ lining up to tell YOU what YOU can do with YOUR property - for YOUR own good. How did we ever survive as a species before Neighborhood Action Committees??
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jackMaster ...is this area close to town or what ...This no shooting zone sounds like a bunch of BS ..?
i live on what is called little goose lake between 288th and 264th between meridian and orting kapowsin highway, i guess from what the police officer told me that sometime ago they made it a no shootn zone from 304th north from mountain hwy east to orting kapowsin hwy, the funny thing is paul bunyans rifle range and the way that it is situated youi have fmeyer due north off the north end of the rifle range yet i cant even shoot a shotgun on my place, well thats why i bought my property, you would have to see it to understand, but i have taught my son and a bunch of his friends how to shoot skeet, how to shoot 22s and i built a rifle range with a 100yrd and 175 yrd target, the police officer deemed it safe but had to instuct me not to shoot there but that if i wanted to pursue it that he would go to some meetings with me and see if we could get it changed, i would love to be able to turn it into a youth duck huntn club or somethn to that affect
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Man thats crazy ...I just can not see how they can tell you that you can not shoot on your property unless it is in city limits and it is disturbing the peace ...Gun ranges are conservsial around here ...we wanted one up here and they shut it down .... way out in the country and people still voted it down ...totally BS ...I have to drive up into the mountains to shoot my guns and I hate it ...we do have the plantation but I do not go there much ....I should start going more often ....so much for country living :dunno: :chuckle:
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Lighten up on Banded, guys. It's a company trying to find customers where they are. Dale provides the vehicle for that and hopefully gets enough out of it to make it worth his time to keep this great site open for all of us to enjoy. Who cares if that Chad guy is a complete toolshed or not - you don't have to deal with him on any level if you don't want to. Don't like Banded for whatever reason? Just don't click the link - but dogging out a company because of their marketing strategy is a bit much. It's like saying you'd never buy a Chevy truck because that Bob Seger concert you went to back in 1984 was terrible.
And, as ridiculous as it is, I watched that whole truck-washing commercial. With the sound off. No frickin' idea what Banded sells from that ad, and don't care. Hot girls, garden hoses and white T shirts get a couple minutes of my time.
Welcome to the board, Christian.
:yeah: i agree! it like having a fight over a chevy commercial cuz you dont like chevy...then dont buy one! if you dont like it dont buy it, yours not the only opinion that matters...just my :twocents:
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Lighten up on Banded, guys. It's a company trying to find customers where they are. Dale provides the vehicle for that and hopefully gets enough out of it to make it worth his time to keep this great site open for all of us to enjoy. Who cares if that Chad guy is a complete toolshed or not - you don't have to deal with him on any level if you don't want to. Don't like Banded for whatever reason? Just don't click the link - but dogging out a company because of their marketing strategy is a bit much. It's like saying you'd never buy a Chevy truck because that Bob Seger concert you went to back in 1984 was terrible.
Not really, but okay. Various things I don't like and don't buy. Then their are things that are dragging down a sport. Those are of concern. Chevy is the core, I may or may not like "Bob" but I would still have no issue with Chevy.
If the core or "Chevy" was the root of all evil, then I would dislike that and all it stands for. A little better comparison for you. :twocents:
And, as ridiculous as it is, I watched that whole truck-washing commercial. With the sound off. No frickin' idea what Banded sells from that ad, and don't care. Hot girls, garden hoses and white T shirts get a couple minutes of my time.
Welcome to the board, Christian.
:yeah: i agree! it like having a fight over a chevy commercial cuz you dont like chevy...then dont buy one! if you dont like it dont buy it, yours not the only opinion that matters...just my :twocents:
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this is dragging on to long :dunno: :chuckle: and I hate CHEVYS !
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I don't care if H20 is right or wrong. if someone of H20's waterfowling esteem wants to indict member of banded for foul play we all had better sit up and take notice and consider more of his side of the story before brushing him off.
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"I don't care if H20 is right or wrong. if someone of H20's waterfowling esteem wants to indict member of banded for foul play we all had better sit up and take notice and consider more of his side of the story before brushing him off."
Stilly, we are passed this I think. H2O charged Chad Belding (Banded Hunts) for leasing ground to hunt in Washington and charging to take people hunting. The charges also included destroying waterfowl hunting for any future generation, and preventing Washington water fowlers from having a place to hunt. The Grand Jury (message board) convened and found enough evidence to order him over to trial. I entered a guilty plea on Chad's behalf for the charge of leasing ground through Banded Hunts and charging to take people hunting. I entered a plea of not guilty on the charges of destroying hunting for future generations. I entered a plea of no contest to the charge of preventing Washington water fowlers from having a place to hunt based upon the fact that I'm not familiar with public hunting in your state. However, one witness (Campmeat) testified that "Hate to say it but, there are thousands and thousands of public land to hunt on in Washington State. So muich that you'd never be able to cover it all in a lifetime.........." After that testimony was given the judge dropped that charge.
In summation:
Charges:
Leasing ground in Washington and taking payment from hunters - Guilty
Ruining waterfowl hunting for future generations - Charge Dropped - Argumentative and Speculation
Preventing Washington Hunters from Having a Place to Hunt - Charge Dropped based on Campmeat's testimony
Yes, the above rhetoric is looney at best. It's my feeble attempt at satire. But in my redneck simple brain, it is not any more irrational than the comment Stilly made above..."I don't care if H20 is right or wrong." I understand that our justice system fails at times but thank the good Lord above that it's the exception and not the rule. Because, if it was commonplace for our system to operate under the pretense to "not care if someone is right or wrong", well it'd be scary...
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I now need to :chuckle: because you handled yourself So professionally .... Order in the court :chuckle: :tup:
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this is dragging on to long :dunno: :chuckle: and I hate CHEVYS !
Me too...
I cannot believe this has made it to 6 pages, when other less controversial subjects have been nuked sooner....
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Hmmmmm WTH is up with that :chuckle:
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I was once "involved" with Belding and DDW and The Fowl Life all I can say is that when he called and wanted to come hunt if we could not positively guarantee a slam dunk hunt he was not interested. I know that nearly every person who has been involved with him and his shows has quit for one reason or another. I am not bad mouthing I just happen to have knowledge of how he operates while not on camera I can say he is not the type of guy I want to hang around. He has built an empire and is making a ton of money off of hunters. Is he doing it because he loves the sport and the game. Is he a purist who just likes to be out doing what he loves no matter if it's going to be a slam dunk? I don't think so. In truth I feel he has lost sight of what the sport is all about and for that I am sorry.
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Hello my name is Ned Belding and you better stop picking on my brother or I'm telling my Mom.
I just leased 500 acres in skagit and snohomish counties to open my new guide service.
Its called Christian Curtis guide service and we will take you free if you wear a banded nation skull cap.
PS...................we only hunt out of two man layouts for comfort (and pleasure).
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Agree with much if what has been said about Mr Beldings so far, but I am confused on the lease issue. How is what banded hunts is doing any different then any other guide/outfitter? Land that is leased by any outfitter is then probably no longer available for people who used to hunt it. I guess I don't understand specifically why banded is evil but it's ok for all the other outfitters? What's different?
Not trying to defended them, just curious what they've done that's so far outside if the norm for that sort of business.
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Two men in a layout.....for comfort and pleasure? I'm gonna have to pass on that offer.
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"I don't care if H20 is right or wrong. if someone of H20's waterfowling esteem wants to indict member of banded for foul play we all had better sit up and take notice and consider more of his side of the story before brushing him off."
Stilly, we are passed this I think. H2O charged Chad Belding (Banded Hunts) for leasing ground to hunt in Washington and charging to take people hunting. The charges also included destroying waterfowl hunting for any future generation, and preventing Washington water fowlers from having a place to hunt. The Grand Jury (message board) convened and found enough evidence to order him over to trial. I entered a guilty plea on Chad's behalf for the charge of leasing ground through Banded Hunts and charging to take people hunting. I entered a plea of not guilty on the charges of destroying hunting for future generations. I entered a plea of no contest to the charge of preventing Washington water fowlers from having a place to hunt based upon the fact that I'm not familiar with public hunting in your state. However, one witness (Campmeat) testified that "Hate to say it but, there are thousands and thousands of public land to hunt on in Washington State. So muich that you'd never be able to cover it all in a lifetime.........." After that testimony was given the judge dropped that charge.
In summation:
Charges:
Leasing ground in Washington and taking payment from hunters - Guilty
Ruining waterfowl hunting for future generations - Charge Dropped - Argumentative and Speculation
Preventing Washington Hunters from Having a Place to Hunt - Charge Dropped based on Campmeat's testimony
Yes, the above rhetoric is looney at best. It's my feeble attempt at satire. But in my redneck simple brain, it is not any more irrational than the comment Stilly made above..."I don't care if H20 is right or wrong." I understand that our justice system fails at times but thank the good Lord above that it's the exception and not the rule. Because, if it was commonplace for our system to operate under the pretense to "not care if someone is right or wrong", well it'd be scary...
Dude,
When I need more stuff, I'll buy from your company just because you take this nonsense so well. :tup: :chuckle:
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Hate to say it but, there are thousands and thousands of public land to hunt on in Washington State. So muich that you'd never be able to cover it all in a lifetime..........
Holy s#%t. Really? Ya sure there are, but you have to drive way to far. I have no money, I am young, and constantly looking for a job. There are not that many public access places where I live. My friend (same age as me), and I hunt atleast once a week because we can't get enough of hunting. We can't afford to run around the state. When I couldn't drive myself, my dad and I had a great public land spot, that got closed off about two years ago. We were both very bummed. I hate when public land gets closed off (no matter what I am hunting). There is not a whole lot of public duck land where I hunt.
Hello my name is Ned Belding and you better stop picking on my brother or I'm telling my Mom.
I just leased 500 acres in skagit and snohomish counties to open my new guide service.
Its called Christian Curtis guide service and we will take you free if you wear a banded nation skull cap.
PS...................we only hunt out of two man layouts for comfort (and pleasure).
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Great, that is just what I wanted to hear (that is where I live). Hopefully this wasn't public land that got bought out. The stupid cap would probably scare away all the ducks plus it probably looks ridiculous so I will pass.
Oh, and I am definitely with H2O
Can I like Nike because they sponser Kobe "ballhog" Bryant. No I can't. They make him like the face of there company. I would like Nike more though if they dropped him.
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If you guys want to get pissed about land issues, you should ask some questions, like why is the Still Water unit in the Carnation Valley NOT being planted with corn? Or the other places as well. How about the island that got "reclaimed" for fish habitat off the Fir island unit? We are really getting screwed by the ESA and groups like DU that join in restoration projects for salmon... Our existing land is being co-opted for salmon to reduce opportunity. :twocents:
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Hate to say it but, there are thousands and thousands of public land to hunt on in Washington State. So muich that you'd never be able to cover it all in a lifetime..........
Holy s#%t. Really? Ya sure there are, but you have to drive way to far. I have no money, I am young, and constantly looking for a job. There are not that many public access places where I live. My friend (same age as me), and I hunt atleast once a week because we can't get enough of hunting. We can't afford to run around the state. When I couldn't drive myself, my dad and I had a great public land spot, that got closed off about two years ago. We were both very bummed. I hate when public land gets closed off (no matter what I am hunting). There is not a whole lot of public duck land where I hunt.
Hello my name is Ned Belding and you better stop picking on my brother or I'm telling my Mom.
I just leased 500 acres in skagit and snohomish counties to open my new guide service.
Its called Christian Curtis guide service and we will take you free if you wear a banded nation skull cap.
PS...................we only hunt out of two man layouts for comfort (and pleasure).
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Great, that is just what I wanted to hear (that is where I live). Hopefully this wasn't public land that got bought out. The stupid cap would probably scare away all the ducks plus it probably looks ridiculous so I will pass.
Oh, and I am definitely with H2O
Can I like Nike because they sponser Kobe "ballhog" Bryant. No I can't. They make him like the face of there company. I would like Nike more though if they dropped him.
I stand by my statement.
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Kola16 ...This is my biggest beech about leasing land ...you nailed it ..and I am not just weeding out Banned ..we all live in a certain area and we only have so much land we can access including private - state and federal . we all cherish these lands that we use close to our homes and when everything around you is gated and that leaves you with less opportunity to use this land and then to have someone come in and lease the remaining land that was usable to you is paving the end for hunters like me and you and the rest of us ....It all sounds like we are idiots but it is the truth .....unless you have lots of money it is for sure coming to an end :sry: :twocents: we take everything for granite and that will be our down fall !!!! this is also why hunters get so peeesy over there hunting areas because they squeeze use in all together so its like a combat zone .......
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The problem is only INCREASED by the actions of the WDFW by not using its CURRENT lands to their full potential! :bash: Has anyone here ever hunted the Ridge field refuge down south? That is a GREAT Program that provides maximum opportunity for a relatively small area The west side should be developing its duck hunting areas to MAXIMIZE opportunity. Private land and leases become MORE valuable when the WDFW does little actual management and the is magnified here on the west side of the state. :twocents:
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Kola16 ...This is my biggest beech about leasing land ...you nailed it ..and I am not just weeding out Banned ..we all live in a certain area and we only have so much land we can access including private - state and federal . we all cherish these lands that we use close to our homes and when everything around you is gated and that leaves you with less opportunity to use this land and then to have someone come in and lease the remaining land that was usable to you is paving the end for hunters like me and you and the rest of us ....It all sounds like we are idiots but it is the truth .....unless you have lots of money it is for sure coming to an end :sry: :twocents: we take everything for granite and that will be our down fall !!!! this is also why hunters get so peeesy over there hunting areas because they squeeze use in all together so its like a combat zone .......
Texas is nearly all private land and permission is hard to come by. I have seen no shortage of hunters. There will certainly be people that stop hunting because things are harder or different than the "good old days"... but for the most part hunters are a passionate bunch...where there is a will there is a way. It's all about priorities.
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"we all live in a certain area and we only have so much land we can access including private - state and federal. we all cherish these lands that we use close to our homes and when everything around you is gated and that leaves you with less opportunity to use this land"
The following statements are my thoughts based on my beliefs and values and is not necessarily the thoughts or feelings of other folks at Banded.
In my mind, this whole discussion boils down to the above statement. While I can sympathize with the plight, I can't get passed the heart of the above statement that fundamentally flies in the face of everything I believe in. When I read the above statement this is what I hear:
"we all live in a certain area and we only have so much land (owned by someone else) we can access (for free) including private - state and federal. we all cherish these (free)lands that we use (for free for our personal recreation and enjoyment) close to our homes and when everything around you is gated and that leaves you with less opportunity to use this land"
I dont believe in our country operating on those principles in any other aspect of life so for me to think land access for hunting should be based on those principles would make me a hypocrit.
Whether anyone on here believes this or not, duck hunting is AS important to me and my heritage as anyone. But, I also understand that I will never be able to hunt the best spots because I'll never be able to afford to...much the same as I'll never be able to go on an African safari or go to Alaska to shoot a brown bear. Will my 13 year old son be able to hunt great places? I understand, depends on how successful he is in life. Will he be able to hunt at all? That depends on many factors but in my opinion, guide operations are not one of the variables.
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Guys,
Greatly appreciate the supportive posts and PM's. Appreciate them, but they aren't necessary. I'm a big boy and I realize that there are some people that are living in fear of losing their free places to hunt just like there are lots of people that live in fear of going to the mailbox once a month and a check not being in there. I don't see things the same as either one of these groups. There's nothing I can say or do as a representative of myself or Banded to change that.
What I can say is that through all this I've learned that I made the right choice by sponsoring this site and that the major reason that this thread started was "Sponsors Should be Screened"...Well the title of the thread should be changed to say "All Sponsors Should be Screened to Make Sure They Aren't Guides That Lease Land"...Much more accurate.
I have already met some great people on here...heck they all seem great just some have different viewpoints than I and that's what makes this country great! I look forward to many great discussions here and we've got some exciting Hunt Washington Exclusives coming! As far as this thread, I feel like I've answered all that has been asked and we're to the point of a lot of "yeah, what he said" posts. So, now we're just beating the preverbal dead horse which happens quite often on the internet. If you have any more questions or comments regarding this, feel free to pm me...unless of course it makes you feel better to "pound on me" in public, you're welcomed to do that and I will respond as I have to all the rest.
Thanks to everyone!
Christian
Hate to say it but, there are thousands and thousands of public land to hunt on in Washington State. So muich that you'd never be able to cover it all in a lifetime..........
Keep that attitude up and get back to me in 5 years. We lose a little everyday, then what? Face it, hunter numbers are down, way down, and every year it gets more crowded at every public spot. Why do you think that is? It will get to pay to play sport soon enough. No need to help it along.
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I have no problem with guiding anything ... there are seasons people hire guides ..and I have no problem with it ...My problem is I guess I was born 45 yrs to early ... The NEW hunting heritage has gotten a whole new meaning on how we all like to hunt ...thats your choice ..I prefer doing it the old fashion way ..which is going hunting ...and as far as the ( private land ) issues goes you guys leasing land are sending a message I do not agree with and that is telling landowners I will pay top dollar for hunting rights ... It will not belong before it is all run that way ...just my opinion ..thats by biggest concern ..I have another BANDED Hunt club in my county and the farmer always let everyone hunt on his property and it is some of the best duck hunting around and then he is confronted by the guy about leasing his land for hunting rights and now it is his land to hunt and now we have to stand around and watch the show go on ...I can not see how anyone who has hunted an area so long is supposed to stand by and not beach about it ...we all have our own way of seeing things and if we all agreed then it would be damn boring ..I am against the leasing land to hunt issue and thats all I can say ..I know its all about the dollar and what a shame :dunno:
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Kola16 ...This is my biggest beech about leasing land ...you nailed it ..and I am not just weeding out Banned ..we all live in a certain area and we only have so much land we can access including private - state and federal . we all cherish these lands that we use close to our homes and when everything around you is gated and that leaves you with less opportunity to use this land and then to have someone come in and lease the remaining land that was usable to you is paving the end for hunters like me and you and the rest of us ....It all sounds like we are idiots but it is the truth .....unless you have lots of money it is for sure coming to an end :sry: :twocents: we take everything for granite and that will be our down fall !!!! this is also why hunters get so peeesy over there hunting areas because they squeeze use in all together so its like a combat zone .......
please do not get me on the TEXAS ISSUE :bdid: :chuckle: tEXAS has so much money they can buy anything ..including paying for trophy size deer and puttin tags in their ears ....How sweet is that :yike:
Texas is nearly all private land and permission is hard to come by. I have seen no shortage of hunters. There will certainly be people that stop hunting because thing are harder or different than the "good old days"... but for the most part hunters are a passionate bunch...where there is a will there is a way. It's all about priorities.
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I have no problem with guiding anything ... there are seasons people hire guides ..and I have no problem with it ...My problem is I guess I was born 45 yrs to early ... The NEW hunting heritage has gotten a whole new meaning on how we all like to hunt ...thats your choice ..I prefer doing it the old fashion way ..which is going hunting ...and as far as the ( private land ) issues goes you guys leasing land are sending a message I do not agree with and that is telling landowners I will pay top dollar for hunting rights ... It will not belong before it is all run that way ...just my opinion ..thats by biggest concern ..I have another BANDED Hunt club in my county and the farmer always let everyone hunt on his property and it is some of the best duck hunting around and then he is confronted by the guy about leasing his land for hunting rights and now it is his land to hunt and now we have to stand around and watch the show go on ...I can not see how anyone who has hunted an area so long is supposed to stand by and not beach about it ...we all have our own way of seeing things and if we all agreed then it would be damn boring ..I am against the leasing land to hunt issue and thats all I can say ..I know its all about the dollar and what a shame :dunno:
So a farmer pays HUNDRED OF THOUSANDS of dollars for a peice of property, pays taxes on it every year and then get frowned upon for accepting money for a lease??
If this same farmer asked you every weekend to borrow your truck free of charge..............would you let him.
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Truthfully yes I would ...... :dunno: :chuckle:
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Truthfully yes I would ...... :dunno: :chuckle:
Your nose is growing.
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The NEW hunting heritage has gotten a whole new meaning on how we all like to hunt ...thats your choice ..I prefer doing it the old fashion way ..which is going hunting ...and as far as the ( private land ) issues goes you guys leasing land are sending a message I do not agree with and that is telling landowners I will pay top dollar for hunting rights ... It will not belong before it is all run that way ...just my opinion ..thats by biggest concern
Why should landowners not get market value for hunting rights on their property? I can't think of anything that is more free enterprise and capitalist than that.
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Lots of socialist views here.
I know! Let's have the government come in and regulate what can/can't be leased and for how much. :bash:
The NEW hunting heritage has gotten a whole new meaning on how we all like to hunt ...thats your choice ..I prefer doing it the old fashion way ..which is going hunting ...and as far as the ( private land ) issues goes you guys leasing land are sending a message I do not agree with and that is telling landowners I will pay top dollar for hunting rights ... It will not belong before it is all run that way ...just my opinion ..thats by biggest concern
Why should landowners not get market value for hunting rights on their property? I can't think of anything that is more free enterprise and capitalist than that.
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This is reason enough not to support your company. Chad, he thinks he is the cock of the block. If he is not "Winning" then he pisses and moans about it. His losses at at calling championship were blamed on the judges not his skill. It's all about him. People are figuring it out quickly, so hopefully you rolled your dice correctly on the Banded notion or you just made a bad investment. Hopefully your banded / Avery team didn't turn down the short road!
Land wise, I have lost more in the past 30 years to re-zoning and housing than to the Banded Boys. Unfortunately is was at a rapid speed in the past two years for the guided outfits. Banded team thought it was inevitable, so they thought they would help out and try to play catch up with the Midwest & east coast. Gotcha, I guess I didn't think of it like that.
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The NEW hunting heritage has gotten a whole new meaning on how we all like to hunt ...thats your choice ..I prefer doing it the old fashion way ..which is going hunting ...and as far as the ( private land ) issues goes you guys leasing land are sending a message I do not agree with and that is telling landowners I will pay top dollar for hunting rights ... It will not belong before it is all run that way ...just my opinion ..thats by biggest concern
Why should landowners not get market value for hunting rights on their property? I can't think of anything that is more free enterprise and capitalist than that.
I agree,its their land do as they wish and whats better for them.long as access to public land isnt blocked.I pay for access to private property now,sucks I have to, to feel comfortable leaving my rig unattended...
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Truthfully yes I would ...... :dunno: :chuckle:
Your nose is growing.
Actually, if that farmer let me hunt his land, I probably would also.
And if your location is "duck central," why are you coming here :dunno:
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Mr. Chad is a business man. He's in it for the money and not about anything else. Plain and simple.
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Truthfully yes I would ...... :dunno: :chuckle:
Your nose is growing.
Actually, if that farmer let me hunt his land, I probably would also.
And if your location is "duck central," why are you coming here :dunno:
But would you let him borrow the truck on the weekends if he didn't let you hunt his land? That would be a much fairer comparison to a farmer allowing free acces?
And lets just throw in that the fact that he will ensure the truck is washed and the oil is changed (which compares to any work you may do or salmon you may exchange in good will for his kindness of letting you hunt his property)
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This is reason enough not to support your company. Chad, he thinks he is the cock of the block. If he is not "Winning" then he pisses and moans about it. His losses at at calling championship were blamed on the judges not his skill. It's all about him. People are figuring it out quickly, so hopefully you rolled your dice correctly on the Banded notion or you just made a bad investment. Hopefully your banded / Avery team didn't turn down the short road!
Dude you have him confused with Trevor Shannahan on the calling deal.
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Truthfully yes I would ...... :dunno: :chuckle:
Your nose is growing.
Actually, if that farmer let me hunt his land, I probably would also.
And if your location is "duck central," why are you coming here :dunno:
Why would he need to let you use his land.
Tradeing hunting for use of a truck IS A LEASE in a way.
People want to hunt for free, why not loan out your stuff for free???
PS.................I live here.
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I just realised how sad this is.
Its a beautiful 85 degree day outside and I'm on the puter arguing with a bunch of girls crying they lost a (FREE) hunting spot.
Think I'll go load the dogs in the truck and head to the river for a swim.
Then I may just drive the roads in the valley looking for new feilds to lease for this fall ..............peace out homies.
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Mr. Chad is a business man. He's in it for the money and not about anything else. Plain and simple.
Ya, I guess that is obvious.
Why would he need to let you use his land.
Tradeing hunting for use of a truck IS A LEASE in a way.
People want to hunt for free, why not loan out your stuff for free???
PS.................I live here.
Yes it is a lease, but I am not taking that land from someone else that has been hunting it.
Plus I can't afford to lease land anyway so I really don't care about that.
The youth (me) is being crammed into one small public land piece (not all by guides). I can point my gun to the right of me, or left of me, and sink someone's decoys.I just realised how sad this is.
Its a beautiful 85 degree day outside and I'm on the puter arguing with a bunch of girls crying they lost a (FREE) hunting spot.
Think I'll go load the dogs in the truck and head to the river for a swim.
Then I may just drive the roads in the valley looking for new feilds to lease for this fall ..............peace out homies.
Says the two year old that says he going to go tell his mom on us.
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My bad. I kind of thought about it after I posted.
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Well, this thread pretty much sums up what public education has done for us over the last couple decades:
We've raised people who believe they're entitled to use another man's land because they really want to..... and because they can't affords to drive. And gosh, that just wouldn't be fair. And it sure wouldn't be fair to put the onus on one's own self to go make it happen by your own hard work. SOMEBODY must owe me this because, well, because I'm special.
I'm starting to understand more and more how Obama got elected in the first place.
What happened to personal responsibility?????????????
Man, I'd love to know what (if anything) some of you socialist leaning folks do for a living. I'd especially like to see your reaction when the shoe got put on the other foot (and you were expected to comply to someone else's wishes because of their screwy feelings about what's "right".)
It's just this kind of thing that makes me fear for the America that I'm leaving my kids.
"The problem with socialism is that sooner or later you run out of other people's money."
Margaret Thatcher
"The problem with other people's land is that sooner or later you feel like you have rights to it if they are kind/stupid enough to let you use it."
Dan-o
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Yes it is a lease, but I am not taking that land from someone else that has been hunting it.
The bottom line is that it isn't your land so nobody is taking anything from you. The reality is that up until that point that somone leases it you have been extremley fortunate. This is America and you will have plenty of opportunity to earn money and pay for leases if you make it a priority in your life. :twocents:
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H20fowlr, did you lose a specific, valued parcel to them? Just curious.
I drove out into one of their places today (a place I used to freely hunt 30 year's ago) and talked with them. Wanted to see what they were up to and take a look at their pitblind. They're just regular dude's with a passion (the local one's anyway). I don't have TV so I've not seen anything about this Belding dude except a little bit of chatter on the Internet (probably would see more if I Google but, I ain't doing that). I too don't like the PERCEIVED status thing and number's thing and I'm better than you thing and my gun is bigger than your gun thing but, dollar's and leasing is the future.
There's a reason I have a crappy truck, a crappy shotgun, a $10 duck call, a 15 year old canvas hunting coat.....I saved my nickel's over the year's and drove around the area for 25 YEAR'S before I bought my duck hunting spot. I've been booted off places before because of the dollar. I cannot blame a farmer (with or without a family) for doing that. I've alway's wanted a nice truck with a small lift kit and nice wheel's and tire's but, the bigger picture to me was a place I can duck hunt 'till I can't duck hunt anymore. I might be there now. Capitalism.....I'm in favor of it. There's way's to get duck hunting place's without "buying the farm" but, now day's it'll take more than a knock on the door in most case's.
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Yes it is a lease, but I am not taking that land from someone else that has been hunting it.
The bottom line is that it isn't your land so nobody is taking anything from you. The reality is that up until that point that somone leases it you have been extremley fortunate. This is America and you will have plenty of opportunity to earn money and pay for leases if you make it a priority in your life. :twocents:
Like I said, I really shouldn't be getting into the argument of leasing land if I don't even do that.
I have been filling out many job applications, and have had word from none of them. I am starting to get money from gold panning though, and that is actually fun :tup: Anyways, I do not want it to come to that I have to lease land. I want land to stay public.
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And like Ned said, I think I will head to the river, and hopefully get some gold :chuckle:
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H20,
Our discussion has been great to this point. I have answered and explained everything you have asked or alleged I feel. When I answer your questions, you move on to the next alleged "crime against humanity" by Chad. Now we have taken a turn to the ludicrous. You are now saying that you will not support our company because Chad thinks he's cock of the block and because he griped at a calling contest. I will not respond to the idea that he thinks he's cock of the walk because I do not care. I think that's hilarious. I have enough confidence in my hunting skills to tell you I am way better than Chad...everyday at any type of duck hunting, on any day, in any place. I will tell him that and he will tell you that. Heck I know tons of people that Chad couldnt carry their jocks in a duck blind and he knows it. He is making a show for entertainment...
As far as him griping at a contest...I'm sure he did, I'm sure I have...I'm sure that I have heard 99% of all callers gripe! I have heard Rick Dunn (the commonly referred to "nice guy" of calling) gripe many times. Butch? He always gripes! Trey? Gripes. Man, everyone gripes. It actually is pretty much part of the game.
Finally, I'm not sure what relavence the "Banded/Avery" comment has. Were you just wanting everyone to know that some of us worked at Avery? Or was there other motivation for that? My point is, when you refer to Drake Waterfowl do you refer to them as Drake/Avery? Both of their founders used to work at Avery as well....just not sure what you were getting at...
In your last post I detected that your tone had somewhat taken a synical / mean-spirited tone. I'm sure I'm wrong and you wouldn't head in that direction. I feel we've had a healthy conversation and obviously by our discussion, judging from the number of views, educated lots and lots of folks on all sides of this topic. And, I greatly appreciate you engaging me and giving me the opportunity to speak about these topics.
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If you have a lesser know company that many have not heard of, Like CCurtis's, all talk is good talk! CC i think you are getting your $$$ worth just from number of new people that have viewed this topic and thus found out about your company. If you make a good product i hope you succeed. BTW i think that this would be a great Guerrilla Advertising tactic to create buzz for you company on other forums! :chuckle: I wish i could use it for my company!
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CCurtis I think we all will agree that you have done a fine Job Defending your reputation but its not saying much for Chad ....I would love to see him join in on this conversation :dunno: :chuckle: and see how he feels about it .. I am not here to make enemies I am here to protect what I believe in .. I am in no means hating anyone over it ..I just drove by numberous wheat fields going to the dump and I seriously was laughing out loud ..Knowing I still know a couple farmers who will gladly let me and my boys hunt this winter ... :drool: :chuckle: :chuckle: This site is great to see all the different personalities and thats why I am here ... I feed off of sheet like this . I am also a business owner so I know I have to make money just like you and everyone else But my point is only on the leasing issue nothen more . we are getting choked out and thats the way I see it and as for my nose growing that was an off topic thing to say because I always give the shirt off by back to people , plus I have mentored many kids in my community and ask for Nothen in return ..just seeing the look on a kids face when he shoots his 1st deer or turkey is good enough for me . It is pretty sad when a kid ask you to take him duck hunting and you have to say No son because everthing is posted or my hunting spot has just become a hunting club or it has all been gated and I can not afford to take you there ...I know what is in store for the future and I am calling BS on it :dunno: :bdid:
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I appreciate that...we do have common ground...taking kids hunting. That's awesome. As far as me defending my reputation, if it came off like that I apologize. I was in no way trying to defend my reputation as I don't see that anyone was questioning that. (or maybe I'm too dumb to recognize when they are...which is a distinct possibility.)
And your nose growing? Not sure what you are referring to?
As far as Chad defending himself...not sure what the defense would be. You and others are upset because he has leased some hunting ground. From my point of view, there isn't a defense...he's leasing ground.
Finally, in regards to you seeing the future...could I please get your phone number? If this is legitimate, I have TONS of questions you may be able to help me with!
In closing, if you ever find yourself in the middle part of the country during duck season, give me a holler...I'll take you hunting anytime...
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No problem and if your ever in the NW Corner of Washington let me know , I am sure I can find a place to take you and for free :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: Peace :tup:
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Looked at this thread with a glance. Losing land is the sad fact of hunting due to thousands of reasons. Most public land with good access is over hunted causing not to be worth the drive on $4 gas. Also lack of birds is another reasons for the rapid decline in hunters. I hunt geese most of the time but got back into some of my public spot for ducks and in my mid 30's I am the young dude to my surprise at first. But more to almost my outrage decoying ducks is almost a lost art to the areas I can hunt with licence and duck stamps only. Maybe I'm different but that is what got me hooked as a kid how fun it was for that coming to you in your face action, which big game hunting just does not do that. Now duck hunting public is like big game hunting, in range 60 yards you better shoot if you want birds.
Today it is hard to take kids because they get on youtube, watch hunting videos posted with acid rock music shooting game that looks over a mile away. Which is nothing like the real thing and sets them up for disappointment. My day it was duck hunt on the Nintendo but looked fake as hell.
In conclusion people who want to hunt for free like me are going to have to change with the times, swallow pride, and work together to provide quality hunting in our public spots. One way is to limit our shots to decoying birds only. Also if in the wrong blind, let the blind with all the action get their limits, then move in, or get up earlier the next day. But the sad part is I will get puked on in here for these statements and no one will seem to want common sense.
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I appreciate that...we do have common ground...taking kids hunting. That's awesome. As far as me defending my reputation, if it came off like that I apologize. I was in no way trying to defend my reputation as I don't see that anyone was questioning that. (or maybe I'm too dumb to recognize when they are...which is a distinct possibility.)
And your nose growing? Not sure what you are referring to?
As far as Chad defending himself...not sure what the defense would be. You and others are upset because he has leased some hunting ground. From my point of view, there isn't a defense...he's leasing ground.
Finally, in regards to you seeing the future...could I please get your phone number? If this is legitimate, I have TONS of questions you may be able to help me with!
In closing, if you ever find yourself in the middle part of the country during duck season, give me a holler...I'll take you hunting anytime...
Christian, like I said in the other thread................yourself, keith and all the other guys at banded are great people.
You just need to loose "The Chad".
I mean how can you look at these and not want to slap him silly???
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi12.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fa214%2FBradRoberts%2Fchadbelding2.jpg&hash=2ce98ab27180b6dff52be43089db079aa1a0a225)
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi12.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fa214%2FBradRoberts%2FChad_Belding_Bio1.jpg&hash=84885dbd22e60a27a11f5e72a4dddda4e03c5c22)
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi12.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fa214%2FBradRoberts%2Fchad_beldinggeese1.jpg&hash=4fb02f501a8da003c4ffbf55d6d479c91cf12243)
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Ned,
I agree with you. Kick the Chad out and you would be way better off. But maybe thats what the VP of marketing is banking on. Lots of talk through gorilla marketing and Chad being the bait. It works as it will suck in a fight on every forum.
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I wear him out every chance I get, which is often, about his photo choices. It makes for great fodder when we're around him!