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Title: Montana Surplus
Post by: Scottystyle on August 06, 2012, 02:29:47 PM
Well, all set for tags.  Antelope buck, and 3 whitetail doe permits.  :mgun:  So ready for the "2012 Montana Whack-N-Stack"
Title: Re: Montana Surplus
Post by: KopperBuck on August 06, 2012, 02:36:28 PM
Did you draw the goat tag? Looking at setting up a hunt next year for me and my fiance.
Title: Re: Montana Surplus
Post by: Scottystyle on August 06, 2012, 02:54:55 PM
Ya, the goat tag is by draw.... We hunt Dillon area, which doesnt have the best of all odds or the most permits.  Just love the area and its not too far from home. Regions 4-7 areway more popular, more critters more tags... And more hunters.  We usualy go first week of november, and in a week of hunting usually see only a dozen or so other hunters
Title: Re: Montana Surplus
Post by: Glockster on August 06, 2012, 03:18:07 PM
I got up at 3:30 am and got 4 muledeer doe tags this morning for my wife and I.  Early birds got some tags this morn  :IBCOOL:

We originally canceled our trip thinking there would not be any surplus tags left.  We're hunting 640 for muledeer does.  Where are you going?

I love taking more and more of my hunting $'s out of WA each year.
Title: Re: Montana Surplus
Post by: Scottystyle on August 07, 2012, 09:10:54 AM
Ive got antelope buck for 300, 1 WT doe region 3, 2 WT doe for 325. My buddy hasthe same plus cow elk in 302.  I think were gonna need a uhaul to bring it all home  :chuckle:  Ya i think Im done with Washington after this year, except for OIL applications, which I probably wont ever get drawn for anyways.
Title: Re: Montana Surplus
Post by: Glockster on August 07, 2012, 09:16:18 AM
Awesome!!  Good luck, shoot straight. 

I've never hunted MT before.  I have hunted NM & AK ; so looking to see how MT stacks up.  Eventhough you pay more for out of state, one season is like a lifetime of hunting here in terms of game seen and killed.
Title: Re: Montana Surplus
Post by: Feanix on August 07, 2012, 09:33:24 AM
Hoping to go over for some varmint hunting and scouting for our 2014 trip. Let us know how this years whack and stack goes. You guys always put alot of animals down. Cant wait til Jeremy, Freddy and I go.
Title: Re: Montana Surplus
Post by: DoubleJ on August 07, 2012, 09:46:09 AM
How much does all of this cost you guys being out of state and all?
Title: Re: Montana Surplus
Post by: deerslyr on August 07, 2012, 10:34:10 AM
How much does all of this cost you guys being out of state and all?

I think its around 75 bucks for a NR doe tag, about the same as a resident second deer tag in WA.
Title: Re: Montana Surplus
Post by: DoubleJ on August 07, 2012, 12:11:25 PM
Is that it or is it one of the $500 NR licenses and then tags are $75 each?
Title: Re: Montana Surplus
Post by: deerslyr on August 07, 2012, 12:19:37 PM
I think you can just by the tag and the conservation permit for $10? Hopefully some of these guys will chime in, I get a huge discount for being a non res student and never really paid attention to it.
Title: Re: Montana Surplus
Post by: Scottystyle on August 07, 2012, 12:21:21 PM
Antelope is 200, wt or md doe are 75. The either sex deer is 593 I think, either sex elk is 773, deer/elk combo is 996.   Its not cheap by anymeans, but the overall experience makes it worth it  :twocents:
Title: Re: Montana Surplus
Post by: Scottystyle on August 07, 2012, 12:26:39 PM
Hoping to go over for some varmint hunting and scouting for our 2014 trip. Let us know how this years whack and stack goes. You guys always put alot of animals down. Cant wait til Jeremy, Freddy and I go.
Do you know where your planning on going yet? are you guys going for bucks/bulls or surplus meat tags like Roy and I? Also, back in the day my dad used to take me to Zortman area for prarie dog shoots, although they are just about everywhere.
Title: Re: Montana Surplus
Post by: DoubleJ on August 07, 2012, 12:28:27 PM
So, I can order doe tags for $75 apiece and just go shoot them?
Title: Re: Montana Surplus
Post by: deerslyr on August 07, 2012, 12:32:49 PM
So, I can order doe tags for $75 apiece and just go shoot them?

Thats what I'm seeing on the fwp site. Theres a couple of units that are OTC for second cow elk tags for $230. Might be worth it to someone who has never shot an elk, add in a couple of doe tags and you've got a whole lot of shooting and a full freezer.
Title: Re: Montana Surplus
Post by: Scottystyle on August 07, 2012, 12:34:27 PM
So, I can order doe tags for $75 apiece and just go shoot them?
yes, there are some surplus tags available, mostly white tail. they went on sale yesterday.  The only thing else you need is the hunting access enhancment thingy for $10.  You can get up to 7 surplus doe tags

http://fwp.mt.gov/fwpDoc.html?id=56569 (http://fwp.mt.gov/fwpDoc.html?id=56569)
Title: Re: Montana Surplus
Post by: Feanix on August 07, 2012, 03:33:32 PM
Bucks and bulls in the southwest corner. No precise area nailed down yet, but hope to get over there every other month or so til we go and nail down an area. Probably pick up some meat tags also. Im thinking of going over either this year or next with surplus tags. We'll see, tho.
Title: Re: Montana Surplus
Post by: Scottystyle on August 07, 2012, 03:38:53 PM
Bucks and bulls in the southwest corner. No precise area nailed down yet, but hope to get over there every other month or so til we go and nail down an area. Probably pick up some meat tags also. Im thinking of going over either this year or next with surplus tags. We'll see, tho.

Gonna send you PM
Title: Re: Montana Surplus
Post by: cem3434 on August 11, 2012, 10:50:12 PM
Im thinking about heading over with the wife to put a little meat in the freezer. Of the tags that are remaining, what areas would you guys recommend for harvesting a couple of does?
Title: Re: Montana Surplus
Post by: doyourtime89 on August 12, 2012, 01:21:00 PM
Yeah this sounds good to me too.  I am going to have to look into an area for some does and take my wife and son.  I think that would be a great time.  I have been to MT twice before with a friends family we hunted the Dillion area.  I would also be interted to know what people are saying about a good area to take the wife and kids that has the does tags left.  thanks
Title: Re: Montana Surplus
Post by: Scottystyle on August 12, 2012, 10:48:39 PM
Im thinking about heading over with the wife to put a little meat in the freezer. Of the tags that are remaining, what areas would you guys recommend for harvesting a couple of does?

Looks like all are bought up around Dilln area. there looks to be a ton still for 425, which is sw of Helena.  There just wasnt as many this yr because of winter kill in 2010.  i was online and got my surplus at 4 am on the 6th when they went on sale.
Title: Re: Montana Surplus
Post by: Glockster on August 13, 2012, 07:39:33 AM
I got 4 tags at 4am on the 6th for area 640, which is the top right hand corner of nowhere out on the prarie.  There were 344 muledeer doe tags available at that time.  I don't know if any are left now. 
Title: Re: Montana Surplus
Post by: Glockster on August 13, 2012, 10:50:49 AM
Just checked, there are 73 left for 640
Title: Re: Montana Surplus
Post by: Whitpirate on August 13, 2012, 12:30:46 PM
Anyone hunted the 411/412 near Lewistown, MT?

Title: Re: Montana Surplus
Post by: et1702 on August 13, 2012, 12:41:56 PM
So, I can order doe tags for $75 apiece and just go shoot them?

Yes, $75 bucks and doe tag is yours.  Plus, you need to buy one time conservation tag.  We did an archery hunt over near Lincoln, MT one year to fill the freezer and the doe tags were over-the-counter in Sept., plus this area had a limit of 5 does.  So, we went over and harvested one at a time.  I took four of them in a week ($75 bucks each).

ET
Title: Re: Montana Surplus
Post by: elkhunter00 on August 13, 2012, 01:42:42 PM
So, I can order doe tags for $75 apiece and just go shoot them?
yes, there are some surplus tags available, mostly white tail. they went on sale yesterday.  The only thing else you need is the hunting access enhancment thingy for $10.  You can get up to 7 surplus doe tags

http://fwp.mt.gov/fwpDoc.html?id=56569 (http://fwp.mt.gov/fwpDoc.html?id=56569)

Are the first numbers in the column the gmu number?  I was trying to match it to their map and it wasn't making sense???
Title: Re: Montana Surplus
Post by: Scottystyle on August 13, 2012, 02:49:06 PM
Yes the first 3 numbers are the unit, the other two numbers are tag type
Title: Re: Montana Surplus
Post by: Eburg fisher on August 15, 2012, 11:09:17 PM
So where do you start? Never been to MT but looks like there ares till some tags left. Where in the state would be a good place for a DIY hunt for some whitetail does? Not looking for honey holes but can someone point me to a GMU or region?
Title: Re: Montana Surplus
Post by: Scottystyle on August 16, 2012, 07:22:28 AM
Pretty much anywhere there is surplus tags is a good area for wt does, alot of deer equals a lot of tags.  about the only factor limiting success is the amount of public land to hunt.   Go to Montana Fish and Game website, and open the Hunt planner, there you can look at each region, and it will show you where state and blm land is, from there you cand select a species on the menu hit the refresh button, and it will highlight where they are found in that unit.  Its that simple.  If your not sure how to find the tags online, give thema call and they will hook you up...theyre relly friendly  :tup:
Title: Re: Montana Surplus
Post by: Eburg fisher on August 16, 2012, 08:56:32 PM
Is the western part of the state near the ID border going to be any good for whitetail or do I need to push farther east?
Title: Re: Montana Surplus
Post by: 3nails on August 16, 2012, 09:12:44 PM
 Look under the Rattling Whitetails thread. Most of the bucks I posted were from western MT. I'll be there again this year (Lord willing) hunting with my son and daughter. There's definately some great hunting in the western timber.
Title: Re: Montana Surplus
Post by: Griz231 on August 16, 2012, 09:13:10 PM
Anyone hunted the 411/412 near Lewistown, MT?
I grew up there. Haven't hunted it since 98' but a buddy of mine tells me it's not the same. Got hit will blue tongue couple years ago.

Lots of private land till you get up in the hills.  Do some knocking on doors and I'm sure some farmer would let ya hunt.

I keep saying I'm going back for a hunt but just never get to it.


Anyone know if the Missouri River breaks is a draw for archery elk or OTC? I could look at regs too. Just being lazy.
Title: Re: Montana Surplus
Post by: 3nails on August 16, 2012, 09:18:59 PM
So where do you start? Never been to MT but looks like there ares till some tags left. Where in the state would be a good place for a DIY hunt for some whitetail does? Not looking for honey holes but can someone point me to a GMU or region?
I just saw this post. If you are looking for does you may have to push further east. They've cut back in the western side. But if you get a buck tag, see my other post.
Title: Re: Montana Surplus
Post by: Scottystyle on August 16, 2012, 11:15:54 PM
Is the western part of the state near the ID border going to be any good for whitetail or do I need to push farther east?

There are some amazing wt bucks there, seen many along I-90, just no surplus tags.... Gonna have to go east at this point in the game
Title: Re: Re: Montana Surplus
Post by: 75johndeere on August 17, 2012, 01:23:57 AM
Is the western part of the state near the ID border going to be any good for whitetail or do I need to push farther east?

Not sure if your talking about on the I90 corridor or not but the whole bitterroot valley is full of whitetail deer. I live in Hamilton now and see several bucks a day not even looking for them.

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Title: Re: Montana Surplus
Post by: cem3434 on August 18, 2012, 07:03:59 PM
Is the western part of the state near the ID border going to be any good for whitetail or do I need to push farther east?

There are some amazing wt bucks there, seen many along I-90, just no surplus tags.... Gonna have to go east at this point in the game

Am I missing something? I thought the surplus A tags were good for any deer in area of the state that is open to hunting. Last time i checked, there was nearly 2000 surplus A tags still.
Title: Re: Montana Surplus
Post by: 75johndeere on August 18, 2012, 07:16:31 PM
Surplus b tags are cheaper and they
Are doe tags
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Title: Re: Montana Surplus
Post by: Scottystyle on August 18, 2012, 11:55:30 PM
Yeah, the A tags are good almost anywhere if ya wanna shell out 593 bucks.  we were talking B tags.
Title: Re: Montana Surplus
Post by: cem3434 on August 19, 2012, 12:59:28 AM
Yeah, the A tags are good almost anywhere if ya wanna shell out 593 bucks.  we were talking B tags.

I thought you were talking about wt bucks in western Montana,.
Title: Re: Montana Surplus
Post by: Scottystyle on August 19, 2012, 11:39:41 PM
Yeah, the A tags are good almost anywhere if ya wanna shell out 593 bucks.  we were talking B tags.

I thought you were talking about wt bucks in western Montana,.

Eburg was asking about wt doe tags close to the ID/MT border, and i was stating that there were nosurplus doe tags in ther.  Somewhere in the thread we got talking about nice bucks in western montana, and it got all jumbled somewhere  :chuckle:  But yes, i do agree its a good place for nice whitetail/mulie bucks if ya wanna get a leftover A tag  :tup:
Title: Re: Montana Surplus
Post by: benhuntin on August 20, 2012, 06:08:06 PM
Is the western part of the state near the ID border going to be any good for whitetail or do I need to push farther east?

There are some amazing wt bucks there, seen many along I-90, just no surplus tags.... Gonna have to go east at this point in the game

Am I missing something? I thought the surplus A tags were good for any deer in area of the state that is open to hunting. Last time i checked, there was nearly 2000 surplus A tags still.
Where are you seein surplus A tags??????
Title: Re: Montana Surplus
Post by: Bigshooter on August 20, 2012, 06:37:48 PM
On MTs home page.
Title: Re: Montana Surplus
Post by: benhuntin on August 20, 2012, 07:14:51 PM
On MTs home page.
I dont see A tags :dunno:
Title: Re: Montana Surplus
Post by: 6x6in6 on August 20, 2012, 07:22:02 PM
Somebody should snag the 398-82 elk B license.  There's some pretty good elk country in the HD 360/362 area and had a 100% success rate in 2011 for what was the 398-80 then and is now busted up by dates.   :twocents:
Title: Re: Montana Surplus
Post by: Bigshooter on August 20, 2012, 08:01:09 PM
On MTs home page.
I dont see A tags :dunno:

 http://fwp.mt.gov/ (http://fwp.mt.gov/)
832 big game combos
1942 elk combos
1954 deer combos

Title: Re: Montana Surplus
Post by: benhuntin on August 20, 2012, 08:38:11 PM
On MTs home page.
I dont see A tags :dunno:

 http://fwp.mt.gov/ (http://fwp.mt.gov/)
832 big game combos
1942 elk combos
1954 deer combos
thanks
Title: Re: Montana Surplus
Post by: cem3434 on August 20, 2012, 10:20:01 PM
Try this link and it should take you there. http://fwp.mt.gov/news/newsReleases/hunting/nr_1752.html (http://fwp.mt.gov/news/newsReleases/hunting/nr_1752.html)
Title: Re: Montana Surplus
Post by: huntnnw on August 20, 2012, 11:51:45 PM
 :bash: Good job Montana what a way to operate. Idiots. They lost out on $1,000 in deer tag fees from my gf and myself. We applied and were not drawn and refunded, but now there is almost 2,000 tags available. Think its time for them to change their system. My money went to ID instead
Title: Re: Montana Surplus
Post by: Scottystyle on August 21, 2012, 08:42:02 AM
:bash: Good job Montana what a way to operate. Idiots. They lost out on $1,000 in deer tag fees from my gf and myself. We applied and were not drawn and refunded, but now there is almost 2,000 tags available. Think its time for them to change their system. My money went to ID instead

That is jacked up! Did they add tags after the initial draw?  The whole sysem is confusing to me, I figued out the antelope draw and how to get surplus tags... And Im stopping at that  :chuckle:  Good luck in ID, what are you hu ting there?
Title: Re: Montana Surplus
Post by: Scottystyle on August 21, 2012, 08:44:08 AM
Somebody should snag the 398-82 elk B license.  There's some pretty good elk country in the HD 360/362 area and had a 100% success rate in 2011 for what was the 398-80 then and is now busted up by dates.   :twocents:

Thanks for the info  :hello:  will have to look into it for future trips, hows access in that unit?
Title: Re: Montana Surplus
Post by: quacksmoker on August 21, 2012, 03:22:28 PM
Somebody should snag the 398-82 elk B license.  There's some pretty good elk country in the HD 360/362 area and had a 100% success rate in 2011 for what was the 398-80 then and is now busted up by dates.   :twocents:

Thanks for the info  :hello:  will have to look into it for future trips, hows access in that unit?

The success is less than 10%, it was a typo... :yike:
Title: Re: Montana Surplus
Post by: 6x6in6 on August 21, 2012, 03:25:05 PM
Somebody should snag the 398-82 elk B license.  There's some pretty good elk country in the HD 360/362 area and had a 100% success rate in 2011 for what was the 398-80 then and is now busted up by dates.   :twocents:

Thanks for the info  :hello:  will have to look into it for future trips, hows access in that unit?

The success is less than 10%, it was a typo... :yike:

Yes, yes it was!!!  Sorry about that!!!
Title: Re: Montana Surplus
Post by: quacksmoker on August 21, 2012, 03:43:00 PM
Somebody should snag the 398-82 elk B license.  There's some pretty good elk country in the HD 360/362 area and had a 100% success rate in 2011 for what was the 398-80 then and is now busted up by dates.   :twocents:

Thanks for the info  :hello:  will have to look into it for future trips, hows access in that unit?

The success is less than 10%, it was a typo... :yike:

Yes, yes it was!!!  Sorry about that!!!

You had me all excited until I looked it up! :brew:
Title: Re: Montana Surplus
Post by: Scottystyle on August 21, 2012, 04:34:43 PM
 :chuckle: Too good to be true  :'(.
Title: Re: Montana Surplus
Post by: RPM on August 21, 2012, 04:43:49 PM
The extra tags deer combos come from people who had the big game combo tags and didn't draw their special permits so they had the option this year to kick them back for a partial refund. I called them yesterday to see what was up and the only way to purchase them is online.
Title: Re: Montana Surplus
Post by: huntnnw on August 21, 2012, 09:40:13 PM
:bash: Good job Montana what a way to operate. Idiots. They lost out on $1,000 in deer tag fees from my gf and myself. We applied and were not drawn and refunded, but now there is almost 2,000 tags available. Think its time for them to change their system. My money went to ID instead

That is jacked up! Did they add tags after the initial draw?  The whole sysem is confusing to me, I figued out the antelope draw and how to get surplus tags... And Im stopping at that  :chuckle:  Good luck in ID, what are you hu ting there?

yeah it is..I wrote them a email said way to go u had people wanting tags and u refund there money and say theres no tags, but turn around and offer 2,000 after the fact :dunno:

My gf drew a sweet ID muley tag because of MT not giving us deer tags..I am hunting panhandle archery elk and buying a deer tag if Sept in WA pans out
Title: Re: Montana Surplus
Post by: huntnnw on August 21, 2012, 09:41:15 PM
The extra tags deer combos come from people who had the big game combo tags and didn't draw their special permits so they had the option this year to kick them back for a partial refund. I called them yesterday to see what was up and the only way to purchase them is online.

That system need to be changed..they lost out on alot of people who were not drawn and went elsewhere with there money like myself
Title: Re: Montana Surplus
Post by: Scottystyle on August 21, 2012, 09:47:26 PM
I wish they would change the antelope B tags back to $50.... $200 isnt that appealing
Title: Re: Montana Surplus
Post by: cem3434 on August 23, 2012, 01:36:22 PM
The extra tags deer combos come from people who had the big game combo tags and didn't draw their special permits so they had the option this year to kick them back for a partial refund. I called them yesterday to see what was up and the only way to purchase them is online.

That is not entirely true and that is why there is still deer/elk combos available.  I heard that after doing their survey of the populations this spring, the numbers were a lot higher than what they thought originally.  They decided to put out surplus tags due to more animals than they originally thought and I am sure the extra money helped with the decision.
Title: Re: Montana Surplus
Post by: huntnnw on August 27, 2012, 09:22:10 PM
MT wrote me a email and said the commission decided to to split up most of the big game combos
Title: Re: Montana Surplus
Post by: Whitpirate on October 06, 2012, 11:09:35 AM
I'm kicking around heading over in early-mid Nov for a 3 day doe hunt in the 416-01 tags still available OTC.  Anyone interested in coming along?  I've got a suburban and have a fair bit of gear and was looking at some of the cabins for 30.00 a night in the Lewis and Clark NF.  Open to folks that want to come along to fill a cooler for the freezer.
Title: Re: Montana Surplus
Post by: Whitpirate on October 07, 2012, 10:26:56 PM
bump. 

Got one other interested.
Title: Re: Montana Surplus
Post by: CementFinisher on October 09, 2012, 03:31:38 PM
2 more interested how much are the license and tags?
Title: Re: Montana Surplus
Post by: deerslyr on October 09, 2012, 04:18:28 PM
2 more interested how much are the license and tags?

$75 a piece. whats the limit on how may u can buy?
Title: Re: Montana Surplus
Post by: Whitpirate on October 09, 2012, 08:29:03 PM
This is my first attempt at this rodeo.  I think we can buy 3 at least (when I was online I could select it 3 times and it allowed me to get to the checkout) Haven't finalized the sale yet as I wanted to get some more ideas together.  Anyone hunt the Little Belts before and can give us some advice.  Looks like a full Suburban of folks if we can get dates together.  I'm trying to find a travel trailer to haul now or may still stick to the plan of Forest Service cabins.  I've been looking at reports and stuff out of White Sulphur Springs and north.
Title: Re: Montana Surplus
Post by: deerslyr on October 09, 2012, 08:34:11 PM
This is my first attempt at this rodeo.  I think we can buy 3 at least (when I was online I could select it 3 times and it allowed me to get to the checkout) Haven't finalized the sale yet as I wanted to get some more ideas together.  Anyone hunt the Little Belts before and can give us some advice.  Looks like a full Suburban of folks if we can get dates together.  I'm trying to find a travel trailer to haul now or may still stick to the plan of Forest Service cabins.  I've been looking at reports and stuff out of White Sulphur Springs and north.

Not sure where to hunt for WT's in the little belts. I dont mess with them much. I'd look into Block management areas on the fwp website for that unit and see which ones say they hold WTs. Or knock on some doors.
Title: Re: Montana Surplus
Post by: Whitpirate on October 10, 2012, 08:37:08 AM
Of the folks that have responded what do you think of this BMA?

http://fwp.mt.gov/export/blockManagementMaps/r4/151_townsendRanch.pdf (http://fwp.mt.gov/export/blockManagementMaps/r4/151_townsendRanch.pdf)

Looks close to White Sulphur Springs and I'm going to call the bio later today.
Title: Re: Montana Surplus
Post by: Bigshooter on October 10, 2012, 01:17:25 PM
Get ahold of the bio. I'll bet there are wt's on the nf land.  You will probably have to look at 50 mulies for every wt but i'll bet there are wt's to be had.
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