Post by: shedkid on August 07, 2012, 11:34:57 AM
Post by: tony04 on August 07, 2012, 11:56:50 AM
And do a search. You'll find a lot of topics about this
Post by: Knocker of rocks on August 07, 2012, 11:59:59 AM
The official explanation is that the wolf populations of Washington are natural populations walking to Washington from Idaho and Canada.
Populations have been introduced into portions of Montana and Wyoming.
Let the fun begin.
Post by: Rainier10 on August 07, 2012, 12:02:32 PM
Post by: shedkid on August 07, 2012, 12:05:59 PM
Post by: jackmaster on August 07, 2012, 12:10:42 PM
Post by: bearpaw on August 07, 2012, 12:12:37 PM
Remember the story about the white van in the Okanogan.
As far and wide as wolves roam, WDFW doesn't need to release them, they are moving in from Idaho and BC anyway.
I also agree the most frustrating thing was getting WDFW to admit they were here. Members on the forum and a few others started keeping our own records and collecting trailcam photos, it's pretty hard for WDFW to deny wolves now and even with only two trappers they have proven 8 packs now. Imagine if they had a dozen trappers like they should, we would have enough wolves confirmed to delist. We currently have enough wolf packs in Region 1 to delist the whole state.
Post by: bearpaw on August 07, 2012, 12:15:27 PM
WDFW is conforming the wolf packs exactly where we said they are. :yeah: :yeah: :yeah:
If WDFW would get a new BIO in the Okanogan we would suddenly have more wolves there too. I think it's fair to say that members on this forum know that a certain bio is slowing the confirmation of packs in the Okanogan.
I will definitely give credit when it's due, it seems that WDFW is finally working on getting some of these packs in Region 1 documented. They also wasted no time in writing the rancher a permit to kill any attacking wolves up in the wedge. :tup:
Post by: Special T on August 07, 2012, 12:21:40 PM
Post by: shedkid on August 07, 2012, 01:04:26 PM
Post by: BENCHLEG on August 07, 2012, 09:57:21 PM
Post by: Whitetail freak on August 07, 2012, 10:44:22 PM
Post by: Birddogman on August 07, 2012, 11:10:26 PM
Post by: UptheCreek on August 12, 2012, 05:54:51 PM
Post by: Curly on August 12, 2012, 06:14:07 PM
Yes I know for sure they have released packes in Stevens that where hybrid but also some pure bred in the teaneway
Care to share how you know for sure that WDFW released wolves in the Teanaway?
Post by: MatthewHunter98 on August 14, 2012, 09:04:34 PM
Post by: Devinshoe on August 14, 2012, 09:23:48 PM
Post by: wraithen on August 14, 2012, 09:27:18 PM
Post by: JLS on August 14, 2012, 09:38:31 PM
I don't have any proof, but I have had trail cams in a certain area in ferry county for 3 years and last year was the first time a wolf has been on cam. Those wolves just happened to appear not long after a helicopter flew by late at night one september evening. Coincidence??
Let me guess, the helicopter was black?
Post by: pianoman9701 on August 15, 2012, 08:12:04 AM
As Bearpaw said, this doesn't mean that non-governmental groups haven't done it with wolves or wolf hybrids. Any solid evidence of this would be treated very harshly by the government. But, for any appointed member of our state or federal government to have done this on the sly would be immediate occupational suicide. We may have a bunch of wolf lovers managing our wildlife, but I don't think they're this stupid.
A disclaimer: I have been wrong before. Once I thought I was wrong about something, but I was wrong about that.
Post by: Maverick on August 15, 2012, 08:27:21 AM
Post by: Knocker of rocks on August 15, 2012, 08:37:15 AM
I have written statements from the WDFW, NPS, and the USFWS that none of them has ever released a wolf in WA. There is a public procedure which costs millions of dollars and includes selecting an appropriate wolf gene pool, segregating trapped wolves for medical testing and lengthy observation, public testimony and input, an environmental impact study, none of which any of the three departments has the money for.
As Bearpaw said, this doesn't mean that non-governmental groups haven't done it with wolves or wolf hybrids. Any solid evidence of this would be treated very harshly by the government. But, for any appointed member of our state or federal government to have done this on the sly would be immediate occupational suicide. We may have a bunch of wolf lovers managing our wildlife, but I don't think they're this stupid.
That makes complete sence
Post by: bearpaw on August 15, 2012, 09:08:35 AM
The biggest bottle neck I currently see is that there are only two WDFW wolf trappers. We need at least a dozen trappers out trapping wolves in order to get all these packs confirmed. I have only heard of one of the trappers catching any wolves. He didn't catch many last year but he is doing much better this year. I have not heard if the other trapper has caught any wolves yet or not, there is a learning curve to being able to outsmart coyotes/wolves and being able to actually catch them.
This state should have more than 2 wolf trappers, it's going to take 2 trappers forever to prove (confirm) wolves in all the GMU's that have them now, not to mention the new packs that will be formed in new GMU's each year.
Post by: Maverick on August 15, 2012, 09:50:14 AM
Post by: WAcoyotehunter on August 15, 2012, 09:51:02 AM
Post by: buckfvr on August 15, 2012, 09:55:19 AM
they need to use other resources to help them trap...i.e. tribes, and other entities.
:yeah:
Imparticular, an entity which is not somehow obligated to reach conclusions based on WDFW agendas.
Post by: MatthewHunter98 on August 15, 2012, 02:02:45 PM
Post by: Special T on August 15, 2012, 02:21:26 PM
Post by: cmiller85 on August 15, 2012, 02:28:58 PM
I have written statements from the WDFW, NPS, and the USFWS that none of them has ever released a wolf in WA. There is a public procedure which costs millions of dollars and includes selecting an appropriate wolf gene pool, segregating trapped wolves for medical testing and lengthy observation, public testimony and input, an environmental impact study, none of which any of the three departments has the money for.
As Bearpaw said, this doesn't mean that non-governmental groups haven't done it with wolves or wolf hybrids. Any solid evidence of this would be treated very harshly by the government. But, for any appointed member of our state or federal government to have done this on the sly would be immediate occupational suicide. We may have a bunch of wolf lovers managing our wildlife, but I don't think they're this stupid.
A disclaimer: I have been wrong before. Once I thought I was wrong about something, but I was wrong about that.
Although I highly doubt that wolves were planted, one thing that I'm pretty positive of is that if wolves were planted illegally by any one of these government agencies they aren't just going to come out and admit to it just because someone asked them in an email.
If they were transplanted, I'm sure Eric Holder is involved. We can call it "The Feasting Furriest."
Post by: pianoman9701 on August 15, 2012, 02:32:45 PM
Planting animals without the necessary steps outlined in the Congressional recovery plan (1988 it think?) is a federal offense. Not only would they be canned immediately, they'd be charged with felonies. Why would a gubmint employee, working toward retirement with full benefits, throw all of that away to plant some wolves when they're coming in on their own just fine? It makes no sense.
Post by: Special T on August 15, 2012, 02:35:32 PM
Post by: trophyhunt on August 15, 2012, 02:40:10 PM
Post by: seth30 on August 15, 2012, 02:47:12 PM
Post by: pianoman9701 on August 16, 2012, 06:58:18 AM
To answer the original question, Yup they did.
It's time to work on the present situation instead of dwelling on old rumors. Unless you have actual proof of releases, you're just spinning your wheels with this. We really need to concentrate on the enormous problems that are happening now to do with wolf management.
Post by: bobcat on August 16, 2012, 07:12:18 AM
Just look at the recent antelope release in this state. The WDFW never could get it done, so a private organization brought the antelope up from Nevada and released them on the Yakama Inidan Reservation where the state has no authority.
The WDFW stands to benefit from antelope in the future, if they were to increase in numbers enought to where they could be hunted. Wolves? What's the benefit to having them? Nothing. There's no reason the WDFW would want a large population of wolves in this state. The wolves will only decrease the revenue to the WDFW, due to a loss of deer and elk tag sales.
So I just don't get where anybody thinks the WDFW would have released wolves in this state. They didn't need to, there were already wolves here anyway, then with wolves coming in from Canada and Idaho.
Post by: Glockster on August 16, 2012, 07:38:34 AM
It's simply ridiculous to believe that the WDFW would have released wolves in this state. As Pianoman said, there is a very lenghty process they would have to follow.
~The same lengthy process as when they "discovered" lynx hair?? LOL
The WDFW stands to benefit from antelope in the future, if they were to increase in numbers enought to where they could be hunted. Wolves? What's the benefit to having them? Nothing. There's no reason the WDFW would want a large population of wolves in this state. The wolves will only decrease the revenue to the WDFW, due to a loss of deer and elk tag sales.
~The green benefit to having wolves is restoring the natural balance to Washington's ecosystems. And watchable wildlife is the next big tourism industry. Haven't you been reading the press releases and studies????
So I just don't get where anybody thinks the WDFW would have released wolves in this state. They didn't need to, there were already wolves here anyway, then with wolves coming in from Canada and Idaho.
~ In case you haven't noticed, 8 packs is a very recent phenomenon and there just seem to be trail cams set up to document whenever a new pack "appears". You always seem to believe the government has your best interests as a hunter (or citizen) at heart? LOL.
Post by: pianoman9701 on August 16, 2012, 07:41:48 AM
It's simply ridiculous to believe that the WDFW would have released wolves in this state. As Pianoman said, there is a very lenghty process they would have to follow.
~The same lengthy process as when they "discovered" lynx hair?? LOL
The WDFW stands to benefit from antelope in the future, if they were to increase in numbers enought to where they could be hunted. Wolves? What's the benefit to having them? Nothing. There's no reason the WDFW would want a large population of wolves in this state. The wolves will only decrease the revenue to the WDFW, due to a loss of deer and elk tag sales.
~The green benefit to having wolves is restoring the natural balance to Washington's ecosystems. And watchable wildlife is the next big tourism industry. Haven't you been reading the press releases and studies????
So I just don't get where anybody thinks the WDFW would have released wolves in this state. They didn't need to, there were already wolves here anyway, then with wolves coming in from Canada and Idaho.
~ In case you haven't noticed, 8 packs is a very recent phenomenon and there just seem to be trail cams set up to document whenever a new pack "appears". You always seem to believe the government has your best interests as a hunter (or citizen) at heart? LOL.
I don't get that from BC's statement at all. There's a difference between siding with the DFW on this issue and being realistic. Realism has us understand where we stand today, as opposed to dwelling on something that probably didn't happen in the first place. Again, waste your time arguing about whether wolves were released in WA and you won't be concentrating on the importance of the damage being done now.
Post by: Dave Workman on August 16, 2012, 08:03:41 AM
It's simply ridiculous to believe that the WDFW would have released wolves in this state. As Pianoman said, there is a very lenghty process they would have to follow.
B.C.
I think there is a strong suspicion that the "process" got skipped altogether. It happened back in ht eClinton admin. when Interior misappropriated millions of dollars of sportsman money for a lot of *censored* stuff, but they got caught at it.
Then there was that little matter of the lynx hairs up in Chelan County. And they got caught at it.
That kind of thing tends to breed healthy skepticism among outdoorsmen, especially those who have been around long enough to get dry behind the ears from all the hot air blown by the government.
:chuckle: :dunno: :chuckle: :dunno:
ADDENDUM: I think if you look back to the first page of this thread and read what Bearpaw wrote it helps sharpen the perspective.
Post by: Glockster on August 16, 2012, 08:12:51 AM
We have a very clear crystal ball on this issue as to the real damage that will be accomplished on our deer and elk herds. One need look no farther east than Idaho and western Montana. By the time they study this to death and are finally forced to implement meaningful lethal control management practices, it will be far too late.
We watched the same thing happen for 15yrs with the Ballard Locks sealion issue. WDFW's track record is clear when it comes to protecting preditors and dealing with federally protected predators.
Post by: pianoman9701 on August 16, 2012, 08:29:54 AM
Well I believe they ARE the root of the damage that is being done now; through a combination of action and inaction, the results will be the same....the final three nails in the coffin for national forest based deer and elk hunters in this state.
We have a very clear crystal ball on this issue as to the real damage that will be accomplished on our deer and elk herds. One need look no farther east than Idaho and western Montana. By the time they study this to death and are finally forced to implement meaningful lethal control management practices, it will be far too late.
We watched the same thing happen for 15yrs with the Ballard Locks sealion issue. WDFW's track record is clear when it comes to protecting preditors and dealing with federally protected predators.
No one here is disagreeing with you, especially not BC. One of the huge problems we face as hunters is staying unified to accomplish common goals. Unfortunately threads like this often deteriorate because of disagreements about details and people sling mud at each other, like saying BC sides with the government. It's very much like the upcoming Presidential election. If you want Obama out of office, don't sling crap at someone who's got a different opinion than you about abortion, when they're going to vote for the same guy as you. Get a look at what the gold ring is and make plans to grab it. The little differences will pit us against each other when we're really all on the same side of the issue.
Post by: RB on August 16, 2012, 09:18:03 AM
There are so many things about the wolf plan and wolves in the state that we DO know about, making up more is a futile exercise. We have plenty to go after now.:yeah:
Planting animals without the necessary steps outlined in the Congressional recovery plan (1988 it think?) is a federal offense. Not only would they be canned immediately, they'd be charged with felonies. Why would a gubmint employee, working toward retirement with full benefits, throw all of that away to plant some wolves when they're coming in on their own just fine? It makes no sense.
Working towards a common goal is where the focus should be. All those "Black Helicopter" enthusiast thinking wolves just magically dropped out of the air by big brother should focus more on getting legislation in place to manage these killing machines.
As far as the "Black Helicopter" goes the US border patrol and US customs help keep drug smugglers and others from entering the US by patrolling the airspace around the nation...just say'n
Post by: Glockster on August 16, 2012, 10:53:48 AM
I think we have a grand opportunity this election cycle to throw out some of the trash that's accumulated in Olympia over the last 3 decades. As a life-long WA hunter, watching the deterioration of game management in this state has been a heartbreaker and I look forward to voting for whichever candidate promises (and delivers) a major housecleaning where WDFW is concerned. I'm hopeful most here agree and do something about it this November. No Excuses.
Post by: pianoman9701 on August 16, 2012, 11:02:56 AM
I thought America was all about having your own opinion. It doesn't mean I would not invite any of you to sit by my fire this hunting season. All this divisive passive aggressive sensitivity really is a symptom of our times. Our grandfathers....those of the Greatest Generation, would laugh at us...then kick us in the *censored* and tell us to man up and get it done.
I think we have a grand opportunity this election cycle to throw out some of the trash that's accumulated in Olympia over the last 3 decades. As a life-long WA hunter, watching the deterioration of game management in this state has been a heartbreaker and I look forward to voting for whichever candidate promises (and delivers) a major housecleaning where WDFW is concerned. I'm hopeful most here agree and do something about it this November. No Excuses.
I believe you've shored up my point. Elect the right people in November who'll make the changes we most need and remember those who are on our side in the election. Quit snapping at each other for minor disagreements which have no effect when we're all going to support the same overall issues.
Post by: RB on August 16, 2012, 11:03:39 AM
Post by: Miles on August 16, 2012, 11:06:39 AM
Post by: Curly on August 16, 2012, 11:24:15 AM
Post by: Special T on August 16, 2012, 12:51:45 PM
There was a couple of of documentaries done. Yellowstone is dead, and... forget the other one.... :bash:
I have heard that there are various groups gathering their own information... The wheels of justice turn very slow and only AFTER damage happens that can be proven. I hope we turn this around right away and it would seem that there are many of us that are focused on how we can turn it around via law and WDFW...There may be a time when proving damages might be a person/ranchers only recourse. :twocents:
Post by: Miles on August 16, 2012, 12:53:31 PM
Miles, I think you are combining 2 different people and events. Wolfbait did talk about the releasing of wolves, in addition to posting volumes of newspaper stories and such about wolves.
There was a couple of of documentaries done. Yellowstone is dead, and... forget the other one.... :bash:
I have heard that there are various groups gathering their own information... The wheels of justice turn very slow and only AFTER damage happens that can be proven. I hope we turn this around right away and it would seem that there are many of us that are focused on how we can turn it around via law and WDFW...There may be a time when proving damages might be a person/ranchers only recourse. :twocents:
Perhaps, but there was one individual here claiming to have proof. He was waiting to release it (for some reason). I believe he was banned or left and hasn't been back for some time. Just wondering what "proof" surfaced (if any).
Post by: Miles on August 16, 2012, 12:54:44 PM
Post by: Special T on August 16, 2012, 01:01:34 PM
Post by: WAcoyotehunter on August 16, 2012, 02:33:46 PM
I don't believe that wolves were ever released in WA. So far, no one had been able to produce a shread of real evidence to show that they have.
Post by: Dan-o on August 16, 2012, 02:58:37 PM
How do I know? Simple. People suck at keeping such secrets. Someone would have blabbed at the local tavern and been called B.s> and gone and gotten their proof.
Post by: bobcat on August 16, 2012, 04:51:11 PM
It's simply ridiculous to believe that the WDFW would have released wolves in this state. As Pianoman said, there is a very lenghty process they would have to follow.
~The same lengthy process as when they "discovered" lynx hair?? LOL
The WDFW stands to benefit from antelope in the future, if they were to increase in numbers enought to where they could be hunted. Wolves? What's the benefit to having them? Nothing. There's no reason the WDFW would want a large population of wolves in this state. The wolves will only decrease the revenue to the WDFW, due to a loss of deer and elk tag sales.
~The green benefit to having wolves is restoring the natural balance to Washington's ecosystems. And watchable wildlife is the next big tourism industry. Haven't you been reading the press releases and studies????
So I just don't get where anybody thinks the WDFW would have released wolves in this state. They didn't need to, there were already wolves here anyway, then with wolves coming in from Canada and Idaho.
~ In case you haven't noticed, 8 packs is a very recent phenomenon and there just seem to be trail cams set up to document whenever a new pack "appears". You always seem to believe the government has your best interests as a hunter (or citizen) at heart? LOL.
Laugh all you want. I don't think it's funny. No, I don't believe the government has my best interests at heart. But I also can't believe in ridiculous conspiracy theories, and that's what this thread is about. We had wolves in this state in the 80's, I know that for a fact, I saw some in the north Cascades. And the WDFW and/or Forest Service had signs up at all the trailheads warning people that there were wolves in the area. So no, wolves in this state are not a "recent phenomenon." And surely some of the increase has to do with the release of wolves in Montana and/or Idaho. I am 100% positive that the WDFW did not release wolves in this state. As I already said, they had absolutely no reason to do so, and the wolves could eventually lead to a big cut in their budget, due to a decline in the number of deer and elk tags sold. So for that reason, I believe if the WDFW had a choice, they would choose to not have any wolves in this state. Problem is, they don't get to decide. It's not up to them.
Post by: GameHunter1959 on August 16, 2012, 05:39:53 PM
Post by: bobcat on August 16, 2012, 05:43:46 PM
Wolves were here prior, then planted by both environmentalist groups and the WSDFW to expand the population. I don't need to see proof. If is smells like a rat and looks like a rat....it is probably a rat. Nuff said.
:lol4: :DOH:
Post by: Special T on August 16, 2012, 05:49:59 PM
Post by: Knocker of rocks on August 16, 2012, 06:05:04 PM
Wolves were here prior, then planted by both environmentalist groups and the WSDFW to expand the population. I don't need to see proof. If is smells like a rat and looks like a rat....it is probably a rat. Nuff said.
Excellent first post
Post by: GameHunter1959 on August 16, 2012, 06:14:14 PM
Post by: Knocker of rocks on August 16, 2012, 06:18:26 PM
Wolfbait had some pretty big ideas about what happened...and absolutely no proof or evidence of his theory (at least that he ever showed)
What a wonderful couple he and TWG2A would have made
Post by: Dan-o on August 16, 2012, 06:19:06 PM
Post by: GameHunter1959 on August 16, 2012, 06:21:12 PM
Post by: bobcat on August 16, 2012, 06:22:29 PM
People need to get over all the theories of how they got here. Who cares...they are here.
But that is the topic of this thread.
Post by: GameHunter1959 on August 16, 2012, 10:22:23 PM
Post by: wraithen on August 16, 2012, 10:31:15 PM
Post by: GameHunter1959 on August 16, 2012, 10:49:52 PM
Post by: KFhunter on August 16, 2012, 10:51:49 PM
what is your problem with it?
I know wolves were released, I know where their kennels were - seen them inside it, heard them howling. I know they were turned loose.
I know the WDFW turned a blind eye to it. But you are right, it is a mute topic.
Now is the debate of what to do about it?
Post by: Glockster on August 17, 2012, 07:11:23 AM
The point is this topic was started to discuss the probability. There is a HUGE trust issue between this state and it's citizens. Shoving things down the throats of the very people that hold this state up with their backs is problematic at best. We know the wolves are here now. We want to ensure it's on the up and up since WDFW seems to care about things they aren't paid to care about.
:tup:
Post by: Knocker of rocks on August 17, 2012, 07:36:00 AM
MY POINT IS THERE SHOULD NEVER BE AT TOPIC IN THE FIRST PLACE. THIS IS ALL USELESS INFORMATION THAT EVERYONE KNOWS ALREADY.
THIS IS THE INTERNET. THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS 95% OF THE TIME WITH ANY TOPIC ANYWHERE ON ANY FORUM. IF THIS IS NEWS TO YOU I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO TELL YOU. THIS IS 2012, NOT 1991.
Post by: bobcat on August 17, 2012, 07:39:15 AM
Ever think about that? :chuckle:
Post by: Curly on August 17, 2012, 08:06:24 AM
MY POINT IS THERE SHOULD NEVER BE AT TOPIC IN THE FIRST PLACE. THIS IS ALL USELESS INFORMATION THAT EVERYONE KNOWS ALREADY.
A lot of the "stuff" people talk about in "real" life is also "useless information that everyone knows already."
Ever think about that? :chuckle:
:yeah:
Ever hear of a TV show called "Seinfeld"? It was a show about nothing and had excellent ratings. Ever see the #2 highest post count topic on this site? It has 100's of pages of useless information, but it is entertaining....... just sayin'.......... 8)
Post by: wraithen on August 17, 2012, 11:44:54 AM
Post by: Glockster on August 17, 2012, 12:09:08 PM
This just went bipolar.
Crazy is fun. Crazy is entertaining :chuckle:
Now let's get back to our regularly scheduled programming: America: a country about nothing.
Post by: trophyhunt on August 17, 2012, 12:17:49 PM
I agree what happened in the past or dwelling on it won't do us any good. But I do remember a few guys on this site getting excited about wolves possibly being here, where are they now? Is there anyone out there now that is excited about this whole mess? Again, like I was saying last year, wolves are the worst thing that could have happened to our state's game. Smoke a pack a day!!To answer the original question, Yup they did.
It's time to work on the present situation instead of dwelling on old rumors. Unless you have actual proof of releases, you're just spinning your wheels with this. We really need to concentrate on the enormous problems that are happening now to do with wolf management.
Post by: KopperBuck on August 17, 2012, 12:20:21 PM
Post by: trophyhunt on August 17, 2012, 12:23:21 PM
Post by: Elkslayer on August 17, 2012, 02:02:32 PM
:chuckle:Now who doesn't believe!!!!
I think I saw that exact wolf the other day up in the Teanaway..........Yep know I know for sure it was, it even had that same square white tracking collar on it! :chuckle:
Post by: Glockster on August 17, 2012, 02:45:15 PM
Post by: Knocker of rocks on August 17, 2012, 04:32:34 PM
OMG.....it's a bear/wolf hybrid:yeah:
Post by: Birddogman on August 24, 2012, 01:12:17 PM
Post by: Curly on August 24, 2012, 01:24:48 PM
Post by: Special T on August 24, 2012, 02:18:24 PM
Post by: pianoman9701 on August 24, 2012, 03:14:37 PM
It is quite possible that the Reservations have brought wolves into their tribal lands. The Yakima brought in Antelope without caring what the local rancher thought. Possible that these wolves were brought in and released without consent from WDFW. Any thoughts??
I doubt it, too. There's no love for brother wolf in the tribes/nations that I know of.
Post by: bearpaw on August 24, 2012, 05:20:43 PM
It is quite possible that the Reservations have brought wolves into their tribal lands. The Yakima brought in Antelope without caring what the local rancher thought. Possible that these wolves were brought in and released without consent from WDFW. Any thoughts??
I think if any planting occurred in this state it was done by wolf groups or irresponsible individuals. These wolves are multiplying and spreading faster than anyone expected just as they did in ID/MT.
Post by: KFhunter on August 24, 2012, 05:57:06 PM
It is quite possible that the Reservations have brought wolves into their tribal lands. The Yakima brought in Antelope without caring what the local rancher thought. Possible that these wolves were brought in and released without consent from WDFW. Any thoughts??
I think if any planting occurred in this state it was done by wolf groups or irresponsible individuals. These wolves are multiplying and spreading faster than anyone expected just as they did in ID/MT.
Yup - I think we both know a few of those huh
I do not think WDFW did it however - or hope not anyways :o
Post by: Dip-Zag on August 24, 2012, 06:32:10 PM