Post by: Ridgeratt on August 07, 2012, 08:54:35 PM
Fish and Wildlife officials said they shot the animal Tuesday following a series of wolf attacks on a herd in Stevens County near the Canadian border.
Agency director Phil Anderson says the decision was made after officials determined it wouldn't affect wolf recovery objectives and after non-lethal efforts were used to protect livestock. The wolf killed was part of the Wedge pack.
Officials are attempting this week to remove a second wolf in the area.
The group Conservation Northwest on Tuesday questioned whether enough non-lethal efforts were made to protect livestock from wolves.
Gray wolves are endangered under state law but are no longer federally protected in the eastern third of Washington. A state plan approved last December allows the state to kill wolves that attack livestock.
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Isn't it nice they have started on the area that has had the first documented wolf kill .
Laissez les bons temps rouler
Post by: bobcat on August 07, 2012, 08:58:41 PM
Post by: bearpaw on August 07, 2012, 09:05:34 PM
Any guesses how this ends, look at Idaho and Montana. Visit any small town and you will quickly learn that wolf season never ends there.
Post by: Ridgeratt on August 07, 2012, 09:11:14 PM
We are following in the footsteps of Idaho and Montana. Many of us have said before how this will end up, but many did not like what we had to say. So far the wolves are holding up their end. :chuckle:
Any guesses how this ends, look at Idaho and Montana. Visit any small town and you will quickly learn that wolf season never ends there.
I have a pretty good idea how this will end up there. Considering the folks that live there.
I realize this isn't one of the areas that will draw much interest from some folks who could care less until they get a strong hold in some place like the Teanaway!
But I for one am ecstatic!
I had refrained from making any more posts here but this is just too good of news!
Post by: Bob33 on August 07, 2012, 09:16:30 PM
Post by: bobcat on August 07, 2012, 09:19:17 PM
More here: http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2018869322_wolves08m.html (http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2018869322_wolves08m.html)
Thanks, that should be entertaining. I like reading the comments from all the wolf lovers.
Post by: bearpaw on August 07, 2012, 09:27:14 PM
To their credit, WDFW is acting on this faster than I expected at McIrvins. But while they are concentrating on controlling the wedge pack there is another 14+ packs in Region 1 which are multiplying in numbers and which means more new packs will emerge. Please understand if 1 or 2 trappers have confirmed this many packs in WA, anyone should realize there are a lot more packs out there.
WDFW needs to hire more trappers and do it soon to get these wolves confirmed or they are contributing to the problem. :twocents:
Post by: BullMagnet76 on August 07, 2012, 09:27:50 PM
Just kill 'em all then, they're all going to kill livestock eventually, especialy after all the deer, elk, and moose are gone.
:yeah:
Post by: CementFinisher on August 07, 2012, 09:33:20 PM
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on August 07, 2012, 09:41:16 PM
Post by: Curly on August 07, 2012, 09:46:06 PM
Post by: Bob33 on August 07, 2012, 09:48:43 PM
Please understand if 1 or 2 trappers have confirmed this many packs in WA, anyone should realize there are a lot more packs out there.
"The rebound is typical of the pattern, Ware said, in which recovery begins slowly, then picks up speed."
Post by: KFhunter on August 07, 2012, 09:50:49 PM
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on August 07, 2012, 09:55:57 PM
Post by: bearmanric on August 07, 2012, 09:57:22 PM
Post by: KFhunter on August 07, 2012, 10:01:52 PM
it won't be long, wait until they are goooood and pissed and then get baiting and body grip traps back - and hounds!
Post by: BENCHLEG on August 07, 2012, 10:08:13 PM
Post by: GrainfedMuley on August 08, 2012, 02:29:24 AM
On another note watching the news. Coyotes are taking over west seattle. I love it. Rick
Coyote......Wolf....they look the same to me.......... :hunter:
Post by: Ridgeratt on August 08, 2012, 08:00:22 PM
The McIrvins are not the only ranchers who have had trouble, they are getting the press right now. Plenty of other ranchers have had trouble and Stevens County is inching closer to being completely fed up with wolves. Cattlemen had another big meeting a couple days ago in Colville, these are all the usual baby steps that have occured everywhere else that wolves have over multiplied.
To their credit, WDFW is acting on this faster than I expected at McIrvins. But while they are concentrating on controlling the wedge pack there is another 14+ packs in Region 1 which are multiplying in numbers and which means more new packs will emerge. Please understand if 1 or 2 trappers have confirmed this many packs in WA, anyone should realize there are a lot more packs out there.
WDFW needs to hire more trappers and do it soon to get these wolves confirmed or they are contributing to the problem. :twocents:
Post by: CAMPMEAT on August 08, 2012, 08:14:27 PM
( I'm talking about the greenies, WDFW etc only ) They get all this info from most likely unreliable sources. They have no worries about lively hood or anything else. I can bet that 0 % of the people that have all these facts have never seen a wolf in the wild.
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on August 08, 2012, 08:24:01 PM
Post by: hunter-4-life on August 08, 2012, 08:28:58 PM
Post by: Ridgeratt on August 08, 2012, 08:31:47 PM
Guess I took a short nap!
:lol4:
Post by: buckfvr on August 08, 2012, 08:53:40 PM
Post by: NWBREW on August 08, 2012, 09:11:31 PM
Any we think it is bad now...... They haven't even met their objective goal for the population yet. It will only get worse as they populate in numbers.
It has been met mutiple times. They just keep changing the number.
Post by: bearpaw on August 08, 2012, 09:18:37 PM
Members of this forum have documented numerous packs in the upper Cascades and Okanogan. What gives?????
The problem is WDFW only counts what they prove to exist, right now they only have two trappers for the whole state. :bash: :bash: :bash:
Post by: CAMPMEAT on August 08, 2012, 09:18:45 PM
Sounds like an Eastsider talking Campmeat :beatdeadhorse: Unless your talking about WDFW AND THEIR BIOs :dunno: All I know is I do not want to see one on the westside nor the eastside .. and if we do not find away to shut them down then we all have a problem ...how anyone concerned about wildlife would want these monsters roaming the hills is beyond me ..and how the greenies have more power and say so than we do is beyond me too !!!!
Reread my post.
Post by: NWBREW on August 08, 2012, 09:18:58 PM
To their credit, WDFW is acting on this faster than I expected at McIrvins. But while they are concentrating on controlling the wedge pack there is another 14+ packs in Region 1 which are multiplying in numbers and which means more new packs will emerge. Please understand if 1 or 2 trappers have confirmed this many packs in WA, anyone should realize there are a lot more packs out there.
WDFW needs to hire more trappers and do it soon to get these wolves confirmed or they are contributing to the problem. :twocents:
Dale, I to did not expect them to take action as fast as they did and you hit the nail on the head with the number of wolves in Region 1. This is why it is so important to post all the info anyone has about sightings, pictures and such. I believe they are paying attention to the info posted on this site. Thanks to those who go the extra mile to bring this to the attention of the WDFW.
Post by: Ridgeratt on August 08, 2012, 09:28:38 PM
To their credit, WDFW is acting on this faster than I expected at McIrvins. But while they are concentrating on controlling the wedge pack there is another 14+ packs in Region 1 which are multiplying in numbers and which means more new packs will emerge. Please understand if 1 or 2 trappers have confirmed this many packs in WA, anyone should realize there are a lot more packs out there.
WDFW needs to hire more trappers and do it soon to get these wolves confirmed or they are contributing to the problem. :twocents:
Dale, I to did not expect them to take action as fast as they did and you hit the nail on the head with the number of wolves in Region 1. This is why it is so important to post all the info anyone has about sightings, pictures and such. I believe they are paying attention to the info posted on this site. Thanks to those who go the extra mile to bring this to the attention of the WDFW.
For everyone who has thought they have taken action this fast. This was documented back in 2007. the problem was it /was considered a transient pack.
http://www.spokesmanreview.com/breaking/story.asp?ID=11430 (http://www.spokesmanreview.com/breaking/story.asp?ID=11430)
Guess I just don't understand.
Post by: bearpaw on August 08, 2012, 09:48:02 PM
By reasonable calculations of sightings there are at least 15 packs in Region 1 alone. They are here, they are breeding, this is only the beginning, it's going to get ugly, especially when all our moose disappear, elk and deer become fewer, and hungry wolves are forced to eat beef or whatever else they can get.
STAY TUNED....
Post by: Ridgeratt on August 08, 2012, 09:57:19 PM
It Doesn't matter if they did or not! Simple they are here regardless, Now the question is how are they going to be dealt with.
Dale you are aware of the amount of loss the local ranchers have sustained in the wedge.
As you have made comment to the WDFG is doing Damage control now before this turns into a control issue for them.
You have had several reports from people who you may consider reliable.
I just base my observations on what I see.
I'm nothing more than a ghost wandering around out there.
Post by: Special T on August 08, 2012, 10:21:06 PM
Post by: GrainfedMuley on August 08, 2012, 10:36:22 PM
There is another thread on here wanting to know if someone thinks the WDFG Introduced wolves!
It Doesn't matter if they did or not! Simple they are here regardless, Now the question is how are they going to be dealt with.
I just base my observations on what I see.
Yes it does matter if they were planted or not. If it EVER comes out that the WDFW did bring these wolves in, it proves acountabilty. The state accelerated the population if they did bring them in. Then yes that would lead to law suites for damages accured to ranchers. Not only is all of this BS political, but it also boils down to good old fashioned money. EVERYTHING the state decides on is based on money. Plain and simple.
Post by: bobcat on August 08, 2012, 10:53:16 PM
Post by: GrainfedMuley on August 08, 2012, 11:05:29 PM
Post by: bearpaw on August 08, 2012, 11:32:22 PM
I don't think Caribou were adequately considered in the wolf plan.
There are biologists that echo the sentiment of many sportsmen, however WDFW chose the side of the wolf lovers as has every other agency. Simply look to Idaho and Montana to see what happens in the areas that wolves populate. Also note that Idaho cannot sell their deer and elk tags any longer and that many changes in wolf policy are taking place in IDFG as compared to wolf policy only 3 to 4 years ago.
Like ridgeratt, I am out there and I am making observations of what is going on. I fully expect to see the same evolution of the wolf issue in WA as we have seen in ID/MT.
Post by: CAMPMEAT on August 09, 2012, 06:04:48 AM
Post by: CedarPants on August 09, 2012, 07:32:04 AM
To be honest, I fully expected them to sit back and wait a minimum of 3 years before even considering lethal action. So I do give them credit on this.
I just hope it's an indication of how the WDFW intends to handle things moving forward and isn't a 1 time event meant to temporarily appease us while our hunting fees are being raised again :tup:
Post by: Ridgeratt on August 09, 2012, 06:30:40 PM
There's no way the WDFW planted wolves. They simply couldn't do that, it's not possible. They'd have to tell the public, and first they'd have to get approval. They didn't do that or we'd know about it. And, I agree they base a lot of their decisions on money, so therefore, they wouldn't do anything to decrease deer and elk numbers in this state. Deer and elk tags is where the money is at, and they know it.
I'm not implying that they personally planted the wolves but I also believe that they may have had knowledge that it could have been being done.
I guess the same could be said that "Fast and Furious" was only a car movie as well.
Post by: Special T on August 09, 2012, 08:24:24 PM
Post by: Ridgeratt on August 09, 2012, 08:26:10 PM
Thank ya, Thank ya very much!!
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on August 09, 2012, 08:39:34 PM
I know the WDFW planted turkeys up here from the Wilbur area to Ferry County without any public input. :chuckle: They did it about 5-6 years ago.yEAH BUT THATS A GOOD THING ...Now invite me up and we can go kill some :dunno: :chuckle:
Post by: bearpaw on August 10, 2012, 02:16:53 PM
There's no way the WDFW planted wolves. They simply couldn't do that, it's not possible. They'd have to tell the public, and first they'd have to get approval. They didn't do that or we'd know about it. And, I agree they base a lot of their decisions on money, so therefore, they wouldn't do anything to decrease deer and elk numbers in this state. Deer and elk tags is where the money is at, and they know it.
I'm not implying that they personally planted the wolves but I also believe that they may have had knowledge that it could have been being done.
I guess the same could be said that "Fast and Furious" was only a car movie as well.
Great point and comparison, no doubt anything is possble with agencies, that has been proven.
I think it's more likely that wolf groups may have planted wolves, if wolves were planted, and you may be right, WDFW may know.
It's common knowledge about the hybrids that were released in GMU 121 but WDFW has done nothing about it that I know of.
Post by: jackmaster on August 10, 2012, 02:19:30 PM
Just kill 'em all then, they're all going to kill livestock eventually, especialy after all the deer, elk, and moose are gone.:yeah: :yeah:
Post by: CAMPMEAT on August 10, 2012, 02:23:05 PM
I know the WDFW planted turkeys up here from the Wilbur area to Ferry County without any public input. :chuckle: They did it about 5-6 years ago.yEAH BUT THATS A GOOD THING ...Now invite me up and we can go kill some :dunno: :chuckle:
Anytime..........
Post by: Ridgeratt on August 16, 2012, 06:20:44 PM
My feelings won't be hurt. If mine gets merged.
http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php?topic=103213.msg1344900#new (http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php?topic=103213.msg1344900#new)
http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php?topic=102974.0 (http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php?topic=102974.0)
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on August 16, 2012, 06:37:35 PM