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Title: Will Field points kill grouse???
Post by: DIYARCHERYJUNKIE on August 30, 2012, 11:02:17 AM: Will grouse die when shot with a field point!!!???!!??? I think my arrow will fly through the bird will fly off and my arrow will be gone right?????? :dunno: :chuckle: is that better have at it guys!
Title: Field points for grouse???
Post by: sirmissalot on August 30, 2012, 11:19:02 AM: I wouldn't recommend it, never thought of if it's legal or not. Get yourself some judo tips and aim for the head.
Title: Re: Field points for grouse???
Post by: DIYARCHERYJUNKIE on August 30, 2012, 11:23:24 AM: Field point should kill em fine if I hit em. I just like to be legal in all ways. If judos are legal I don't see why FP wouldn't be?
Title: Re: Field points for grouse???
Post by: MR5x5 on August 30, 2012, 11:34:34 AM: Look for the little cut washer looking things you install behind the filed point. Deadly and Cheap. Rubber blunts also work good and make for a good stump shooters.
Title: Re: Field points for grouse???
Post by: MADMAX on August 30, 2012, 11:51:28 AM: Good way to have a bird fly off with a 20 dollar arrow
Title: Re: Field points for grouse???
Post by: DIYARCHERYJUNKIE on August 30, 2012, 11:58:49 AM: Not worried about arrows just the legality of it.
Title: Re: Field points for grouse???
Post by: pianoman9701 on August 30, 2012, 12:00:23 PM: Judo x3
Title: Re: Field points for grouse???
Post by: sirmissalot on August 30, 2012, 12:18:23 PM: The way I read the regs field points are legal for grouse, or anything other than big game so that should answer your question.

I've seen plenty of grouse shot with a bow and its really easy for them to fly or run off after the shot, and it would be even worse with a field tip. I'm not sure where you hunt but where I hunt it can be pretty hard to find them sometimes if they get off the road. Thats why I suggested the head shot with a judo tip.

Check out page 75 of the regs, line f:

f. It is unlawful to hunt big game animals
with any arrow or bolt that does not
have a sharp broadhead, and the
broadhead blade or blades are less than
seven-eighths inch wide.
Title: Re: Field points for grouse???
Post by: blacktailcody on August 30, 2012, 12:35:20 PM: Judo X4
Title: Re: Field points for grouse???
Post by: coachcw on August 30, 2012, 12:37:27 PM: I would not recomend having a field tip in your quiver. i've heard of a guy that accidently pulled one out and shot a elk with it.
Title: Re: Field points for grouse???
Post by: 300rum on August 30, 2012, 12:48:44 PM: Did he kill it?

Quote from: coachcw on August 30, 2012, 12:37:27 PM
I would not recomend having a field tip in your quiver. i've heard of a guy that accidently pulled one out and shot a elk with it.
Title: Re: Field points for grouse???
Post by: DIYARCHERYJUNKIE on August 30, 2012, 02:38:52 PM: :yeah: :yike: lucky it wasn't his judo it would have bounced off :dunno: and couldn't I mistake a Judo for a broadheads just as easy as a FP ? :dunno: I hunt both sides of the state and agree birds get lost easy if they get in the brush. I think a field point would kill a grouse. If it broke a wing or neck or hit him in the belly he wouldn't move probably pin him to the ground if I got the right angle on em. Thanks for the advice. I'll call wdfw and post pics or even a clip of grouse vs field point if completely legal.
Title: Re: Field points for grouse???
Post by: Buckmark on August 30, 2012, 03:05:03 PM: Quote from: sirmissalot on August 30, 2012, 12:18:23 PM
The way I read the regs field points are legal for grouse, or anything other than big game so that should answer your question.

I've seen plenty of grouse shot with a bow and its really easy for them to fly or run off after the shot, and it would be even worse with a field tip. I'm not sure where you hunt but where I hunt it can be pretty hard to find them sometimes if they get off the road. Thats why I suggested the head shot with a judo tip.

Check out page 75 of the regs, line f:

f. It is unlawful to hunt big game animals
with any arrow or bolt that does not
have a sharp broadhead, and the
broadhead blade or blades are less than
seven-eighths inch wide.
Forest grouse are not considered big game animals, there are no restrictions i have found for what type of arrow tip that cannot be used..
Title: Re: Field points for grouse???
Post by: jechicdr on August 30, 2012, 03:19:11 PM: I think the benefit of the judo is being able to find your arrow easier. You hit a grouse on the ground with a field tip, the tip will likely bury itself in the ground and the bird is likely to be pinned with it. If it is on a log or in a tree, the arrow will likely pass through and be long gone, but you'll probably kill the grouse if you hit it. I've taken heads off grouse with broadheads...but I was hungry for something besides dehydrated food. And if grouse grow to be the size of ostriches...would they then be considered big game...or would they still be considered upland game birds?
Title: Re: Field points for grouse???
Post by: colockumelk on August 30, 2012, 04:33:49 PM: I have probably killed as many grouse with a rock as I have with a shotgun. If they are close enough and your a good "shot" with your arm then this is a really good option as well. One year in a wilderness area I got my limit in one day with rocks. After 4 days of nothing but mountain house meals they sure did taste good. With a little dash of Johny's Seasonings we ate like kings that night.
Title: Re: Field points for grouse???
Post by: AKBowman on August 30, 2012, 06:41:14 PM: Field points DO NOT work on grouse, arrow blows through them and they fly off to die somewhere
Title: Re: Field points for grouse???
Post by: buckfvr on August 30, 2012, 06:45:59 PM: :bdid: What the hell?????? Get real here.
Title: Re: Field points for grouse???
Post by: sled on August 30, 2012, 06:48:08 PM: Quote from: MADMAX on August 30, 2012, 11:51:28 AM
Good way to have a bird fly off with a 20 dollar arrow
:yeah:
Title: Re: Field points for grouse???
Post by: sled on August 30, 2012, 07:15:12 PM: Shoot them on the ground with a field tip. I have killed alot of them on the ground. If they are in the tree it will pass through, and you can kiss your arrow goodbye. Did it once.
Title: Re: Field points for grouse???
Post by: DIYARCHERYJUNKIE on August 30, 2012, 07:17:13 PM: It's way bigger than a 22 and a lot more weight I bet it knocks it off it's feet kills it right there. The wdfw forwarded me to sgt something I didn't leave a MSG but I assume they frown on it. I really wonder now though. Have any of you who said no way, ever shot a grouse with a FP? It sounds like you think it's such a crazy idea that there's no way you tried it.... so how would you know? Just wanted legalitys of it not everyone's opinion on something they've never done :chuckle: . I would have named the thread "hey you guys who have never shot a grouse with a FP will a field point kill a grouse". That would have been a good topic but it's not.
Title: Re: Field points for grouse???
Post by: luckyman on August 30, 2012, 07:24:20 PM: I've shot them but as said before, The arrow go through and flies 100 yard more. The Grouse flies away. It's been done many times.
You need something that won't pass through so easily.

Judo head shot.
Title: Re: Field points for grouse???
Post by: colockumelk on August 30, 2012, 09:28:11 PM: Rocks are abundant and free. Just saying.
Title: Re: Field points for grouse???
Post by: bobcat on August 30, 2012, 09:41:41 PM: It's not legal to kill grouse with rocks. Just saying.

Besides, if I tried that my shoulder would be done for.
Title: Re: Field points for grouse???
Post by: AKBowman on August 30, 2012, 10:05:38 PM: Quote from: DIYARCHERYJUNKIE on August 30, 2012, 07:17:13 PM
It's way bigger than a 22 and a lot more weight I bet it knocks it off it's feet kills it right there. The wdfw forwarded me to sgt something I didn't leave a MSG but I assume they frown on it. I really wonder now though. Have any of you who said no way, ever shot a grouse with a FP? It sounds like you think it's such a crazy idea that there's no way you tried it.... so how would you know? Just wanted legalitys of it not everyone's opinion on something they've never done :chuckle: . I would have named the thread "hey you guys who have never shot a grouse with a FP will a field point kill a grouse". That would have been a good topic but it's not.

Take it from people who have done it. You've made it clear you have not done it, you may get away with it but more than likely you will shoot right through the bird and the bird won't budge, then it will fly off and die somewhere. I bet I've killed close to 100 grouse with my bow and seen buddy's shoot them with a field tip, doesn't work well. Best thing I have found is screwing in a small washer between the broad head and arrow shaft, cheap and Lethal as hell. The wider head knocks hell out of them and they just flop right there. If you are he'll bent on shooting one with a field tip than you are risking wasting a good bird
Title: Field points for grouse???
Post by: sirmissalot on August 30, 2012, 10:29:49 PM: I've shot grouse with field tips before. Like I said they fly off and die. Which is why I said get some judo tips and shoot for the head. I've also shot grouse with judo points in the body, it hit the wing, clearly broke it, flopped around on the ground then got back on its feet enough to get into the brush to become coyote bait.

You can get defensive but your question has been answered and most people have suggested against it. I say go for it, the coyotes gotta eat too.
Title: Re: Field points for grouse???
Post by: DIYARCHERYJUNKIE on August 31, 2012, 05:50:02 AM: No my question hasnt been answered cause nOne of you know if it's legal... Just sayin... The wdfw couldn't answer so no surprise. But I do have washers so I'll throw a few in my pack. Im changing the title of this thread. Have fun debating guys I have to leave to elk camp. :chuckle:
Title: Re: Will Field points kill grouse???
Post by: MR5x5 on August 31, 2012, 07:49:20 AM: Poor man's judo point.

http://www.bowhunterssuperstore.com/broadheads-points-neet-c-36_1008.html?osCsid=f17dda8041144891adfca6f7a9b2271f (http://www.bowhunterssuperstore.com/broadheads-points-neet-c-36_1008.html?osCsid=f17dda8041144891adfca6f7a9b2271f)
Title: Re: Will Field points kill grouse???
Post by: Miles on August 31, 2012, 07:55:02 AM: I just shoot them with a broadhead. Keep an old one in your quiver and use it for grouse. It works fine.
Title: Re: Field points for grouse???
Post by: bobcat on August 31, 2012, 08:26:35 AM: Quote from: DIYARCHERYJUNKIE :dunno: on August 31, 2012, 05:50:02 AM
No my question hasnt been answered cause nOne of you know if it's legal... Just sayin... The wdfw couldn't answer so no surprise. But I do have washers so I'll throw a few in my pack. Im changing the title of this thread. Have fun debating guys I have to leave to elk camp. :chuckle:

It is legal.

I've killed a couple grouse with field points. Not the best choice, but it will get the job done if you pick your shots wisely.

Sure beats throwing rocks at them. :rolleyes: :chuckle:
Title: Re: Will Field points kill grouse???
Post by: DIYARCHERYJUNKIE on August 31, 2012, 09:04:34 AM: 8 dollars!!! No way.
Title: Re: Will Field points kill grouse???
Post by: blacktailcody on August 31, 2012, 09:07:59 AM: Try it with fp's and tell us how they work. Pics are welcome too.
Title: Re: Will Field points kill grouse???
Post by: Miles on August 31, 2012, 09:15:21 AM: Hit a grouse in the head with a FP and it's lights out...
Title: Re: Will Field points kill grouse???
Post by: sirmissalot on August 31, 2012, 09:20:14 AM: Grouse are not big game, so its legal. I think its been said a couple times. Check page 75 of the hunting regs, line f. Seems clear to me... good luck! I can't seem to figure out how to cook grouse in a way I like it so I've quit killing them. I see a ton of them picking mushrooms, wish I could figure out a way to like them.
Title: Re: Will Field points kill grouse???
Post by: DOUBLELUNG on August 31, 2012, 10:27:04 AM: I have shot 5 grouse with field points, lost 3. I have shot perhaps 30 grouse with a field point with a 1/4" washer behind it, lost 2. A field point which breaks a wing or hits the brain/spine will allow you to recover the grouse, a pass-through with a field point that does not results in a bird that flies off and is lost.

It is completely legal to shoot them with any kind of arrow.
Title: Re: Will Field points kill grouse???
Post by: DIYARCHERYJUNKIE on September 10, 2012, 01:13:10 PM: been out for 10 days straight and no birds. i dont carry a field point cause im hunting big game and dont care to argue with a warden. thanks for the tips!
Title: Re: Will Field points kill grouse???
Post by: GoPlayOutside on September 10, 2012, 09:44:01 PM: (https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1056.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Ft378%2Fgoplayoutside2%2FIMAG0931-1.jpg&hash=84c9380ca001c31ad0339fa85f6c7604e2d9a403)

Field Points work.
I have 5 broadheads in my quiver, and 1 field point for grouse/sight verification.
I know my field point is always on the left side, with different color fletching.
Title: Re: Will Field points kill grouse???
Post by: stuckalot on September 17, 2012, 01:53:46 PM: Had one fly off with my $10 arrow this year after grabbing my rubber blunt instead of the judo out of the quiver! Blunt shot clear through hit the dirt bank on the backside, arrow didn't make it all the way through and the damn thing flew off, arrow hanging out the side never found dinner, or my arrow!
Title: Re: Will Field points kill grouse???
Post by: 44_mag on November 20, 2012, 08:18:38 PM: Yeah they will kill a grouse. Know a guy who killed a deer with one...on accident.
Title: Re: Will Field points kill grouse???
Post by: Kola16 on November 20, 2012, 08:21:47 PM: Quote from: 44_mag on November 20, 2012, 08:18:38 PM
Yeah they will kill a grouse. Know a guy who killed a deer with one...on accident.

Umm ??? How do you kill a deer with an arrow on accident? Not trying to bash your buddy.
Title: Re: Field points for grouse???
Post by: lokidog on November 20, 2012, 08:31:40 PM: Quote from: MADMAX on August 30, 2012, 11:51:28 AM
Good way to have a bird fly off with a 20 dollar arrow

Not sure about $20 unless yours are plated in gold, but not a good idea. I shot a quail once with a field tip, it flew off with my arrow in it. Luckily it caught in the branches of a tree and I manged to get it.
Title: Re: Will Field points kill grouse???
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on November 20, 2012, 08:43:53 PM: Marble and rist rocket works well. :tup:
Title: Re: Will Field points kill grouse???
Post by: hillbilli on November 21, 2012, 11:15:27 AM: allen makes a cheaper copy of the judo point.. The judo has definitely make a difference for me on rabbits. for grouse it should be the ticket. The adder point, as its called, which is the dull bladed washer that goes behind a field point- has worked good for small game over the years, and the ad somebody posted a link too showed a pack of 6 for 8$, cheaper than either version of the judo. Never thought of a regular washer behing the field point, have to try that one..
Title: Re: Will Field points kill grouse???
Post by: pianoman9701 on November 21, 2012, 11:51:07 AM: Quote from: 44_mag on November 20, 2012, 08:18:38 PM
Yeah they will kill a grouse. Know a guy who killed a deer with one...on accident.

And, we're off!
Title: Re: Will Field points kill grouse???
Post by: JLS on November 21, 2012, 11:52:52 AM: Quote from: Boss .300 winmag on November 20, 2012, 08:43:53 PM
Marble and rist rocket works well. :tup:

Or old ball bearings
Title: Re: Will Field points kill grouse???
Post by: matt345 on November 21, 2012, 11:55:55 AM: Quote from: Kola16 on November 20, 2012, 08:21:47 PM
Quote from: 44_mag on November 20, 2012, 08:18:38 PM
Yeah they will kill a grouse. Know a guy who killed a deer with one...on accident.

Umm ??? How do you kill a deer with an arrow on accident? Not trying to bash your buddy.

I assume he meant his buddy accidentally shot the deer with a field point instead of a hunting arrow. I carry a filed tip in my quiver sometimes for birds and I can see how the heat of the moment that he could have grabbed the wrong arrow!
Title: Re: Will Field points kill grouse???
Post by: deaner on November 21, 2012, 11:58:09 AM: Quote from: Boss .300 winmag on November 20, 2012, 08:43:53 PM
Marble and rist rocket works well. :tup:
that legal?
Title: Re: Will Field points kill grouse???
Post by: Woodchuck on November 21, 2012, 12:06:08 PM: Quote from: pianoman9701 on November 21, 2012, 11:51:07 AM
Quote from: 44_mag on November 20, 2012, 08:18:38 PM
Yeah they will kill a grouse. Know a guy who killed a deer with one...on accident.

And, we're off!
:chuckle: :chuckle: Best post of the thread award winner right there.
Why risk losing the arrow, carry a .22 pistol and whack em. :dunno:
Title: Re: Will Field points kill grouse???
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on November 21, 2012, 12:10:03 PM: Quote from: deaner on November 21, 2012, 11:58:09 AM
Quote from: Boss .300 winmag on November 20, 2012, 08:43:53 PM
Marble and rist rocket works well. :tup:
that legal?

regs dont say you can't! :dunno:
Title: Re: Will Field points kill grouse???
Post by: deaner on November 21, 2012, 12:22:12 PM: okay so kind of on the subject, another "is that legal" question that comes to mind with grouse. we all know those dumb birds hang out all over logging roads and let you basically walk up to them. also, we all know its illegal to carry a loaded shotgun or rifle in a vehicle, however it IS legal to carry a loaded handgun. so what about my judge .45 / 410 loaded with 410 shot shells? my thought is thats legal as it is a handgun
Title: Will Field points kill grouse???
Post by: sirmissalot on November 21, 2012, 12:29:41 PM: Quote from: deaner on November 21, 2012, 12:22:12 PM
okay so kind of on the subject, another "is that legal" question that comes to mind with grouse. we all know those dumb birds hang out all over logging roads and let you basically walk up to them. also, we all know its illegal to carry a loaded shotgun or rifle in a vehicle, however it IS legal to carry a loaded handgun. so what about my judge .45 / 410 loaded with 410 shot shells? my thought is thats legal as it is a handgun

Somewhere there is a definition of a legal shotgun. Your judge should be classified as a pistol due to the barrel length, otherwise I assume you also could only legally hold 3 shells in it as well, right? That's the way I understand it at least.
Title: Re: Will Field points kill grouse???
Post by: pianoman9701 on November 21, 2012, 01:17:11 PM: Quote from: deaner on November 21, 2012, 12:22:12 PM
okay so kind of on the subject, another "is that legal" question that comes to mind with grouse. we all know those dumb birds hang out all over logging roads and let you basically walk up to them. also, we all know its illegal to carry a loaded shotgun or rifle in a vehicle, however it IS legal to carry a loaded handgun. so what about my judge .45 / 410 loaded with 410 shot shells? my thought is thats legal as it is a handgun

It would be legal to shoot with that gun and ammo as long as neither you, nor the bird were on or across the maintained portion of the road.
Title: Re: Will Field points kill grouse???
Post by: deaner on November 21, 2012, 01:21:42 PM: logging roads are not "maintained roads"
Title: Re: Will Field points kill grouse???
Post by: WSU on November 21, 2012, 01:22:59 PM: Like said above, just keep one arrow with an old/dull broadhead.
Title: Re: Will Field points kill grouse???
Post by: Buckmark on November 21, 2012, 02:34:31 PM: Quote from: Boss .300 winmag on November 21, 2012, 12:10:03 PM
Quote from: deaner on November 21, 2012, 11:58:09 AM
Quote from: Boss .300 winmag on November 20, 2012, 08:43:53 PM
Marble and rist rocket works well. :tup:
that legal?

regs dont say you can't! :dunno:
Sure they do.....page 76 Prohibited firearms/hunting methods
It is illegal to: Hunt game birds or game animals with
anything other than a firearm, a bow and
arrow, or by falconry.
Title: Re: Will Field points kill grouse???
Post by: BLDtraLR on January 07, 2013, 05:52:05 PM: I've shot many with field points only to watch them fly a-way before i talked to an old wise man that swore by putting a turkey adder behind the field point and bam they don't fly away any more !!! he also told us to kill any and all turkeys because they eat the baby grouse did'nt know that either. Here"s proof.
Title: Re: Will Field points kill grouse???
Post by: billythekidrock on January 07, 2013, 05:55:25 PM: Quote from: deaner on November 21, 2012, 12:22:12 PM
okay so kind of on the subject, another "is that legal" question that comes to mind with grouse. we all know those dumb birds hang out all over logging roads and let you basically walk up to them. also, we all know its illegal to carry a loaded shotgun or rifle in a vehicle, however it IS legal to carry a loaded handgun. so what about my judge .45 / 410 loaded with 410 shot shells? my thought is thats legal as it is a handgun

That pistol & load suck for grouse. Trust me.

Quote from: deaner on November 21, 2012, 01:21:42 PM
logging roads are not "maintained roads"

Depends on what you are talking about. Gravel roads in some areas are considered maintained and have logging access.
Title: Re: Will Field points kill grouse???
Post by: Alan K on January 07, 2013, 06:04:06 PM: I think it has to be a publicly maintained road too in order to be illegal. E.g. Weyerhaeuser and other private timber company roads are fine. :dunno:
Title: Re: Will Field points kill grouse???
Post by: billythekidrock on January 07, 2013, 06:05:02 PM: Quote from: Alan K on January 07, 2013, 06:04:06 PM
I think it has to be a publicly maintained road too in order to be illegal. E.g. Weyerhaeuser and other private timber company roads are fine. :dunno:

So how would you classify gravel roads on state lands?
Title: Re: Will Field points kill grouse???
Post by: Alan K on January 07, 2013, 06:15:36 PM: I don't know for sure on that, but my guess would be that since forest roads are maintained with money generated through timber sales, not taxpayer money, they'd be exempt? I think the rule is in place for county roads etc.

That said, whether it's legal or illegal, I've never seen it stop anyone from shooting, nor have I ever heard of someone getting in trouble for it. :dunno:
Title: Re: Will Field points kill grouse???
Post by: billythekidrock on January 07, 2013, 06:19:22 PM: I was told by WDFW Enforcement that gravel/logging roads on state land (DNR) are considered maintained and illegal to shoot across.

I agree, it doesn't seem to stop anyone.
Title: Re: Will Field points kill grouse???
Post by: Bob33 on January 07, 2013, 06:41:33 PM: The shooting restriction pertains to "the maintained portion of a public highway", not a "maintained roadway". Public highways are essentially all roads that are not privately owned. The restriction applies to both firearms and archery equipment.

See RCW 77.15.460.
Title: Re: Will Field points kill grouse???
Post by: huntnnw on January 07, 2013, 11:20:14 PM: u may wanna invest in another bow if your having problems penetrating a grouse :chuckle:
Title: Re: Will Field points kill grouse???
Post by: Jonathan_S on January 08, 2013, 01:38:31 PM: Quote from: huntnnw on January 07, 2013, 11:20:14 PM
u may wanna invest in another bow if your having problems penetrating a grouse :chuckle:

Hahaha, must be a Matthews. :chuckle: :chuckle:

Kidding guys.
Title: Re: Will Field points kill grouse???
Post by: blacktailcody on January 08, 2013, 02:10:17 PM: Quote from: Jonathan_S on January 08, 2013, 01:38:31 PM
Quote from: huntnnw on January 07, 2013, 11:20:14 PM
u may wanna invest in another bow if your having problems penetrating a grouse :chuckle:

Hahaha, must be a Matthews. :chuckle: :chuckle:

Kidding guys.

Or a bear.
Title: Re: Will Field points kill grouse???
Post by: WAcoueshunter on January 08, 2013, 02:26:32 PM: Quote from: Bob33 on January 07, 2013, 06:41:33 PM
The shooting restriction pertains to "the maintained portion of a public highway", not a "maintained roadway". Public highways are essentially all roads that are not privately owned. The restriction applies to both firearms and archery equipment.

See RCW 77.15.460.

Are you sure it pertains to archery? The statute references a "loaded firearm". :dunno:
Title: Re: Will Field points kill grouse???
Post by: xdog on January 09, 2013, 12:15:23 AM: Am I the only guy left with love for the Rubber Blunt?

http://www.bowhuntingstuff.com/product/RUBBER_BLUNT/Blunt-Arrow-Point---Rubber-Slide-On.html (http://www.bowhuntingstuff.com/product/RUBBER_BLUNT/Blunt-Arrow-Point---Rubber-Slide-On.html)

I used carry 3 in my eight arrow quiver for years. Two straight fletched and one Flu Flu. Blunts work great for Grouse and they are the best IMHO for recovery, they will generally bounce off wood and rock with no damage. I would often shoot a few blunts a day at stuumps or big trees just for practice with little worry of damaging or recovering a arrow. Another advantage is that I loaded my blunt arrows in the quiver safely upside down to help eliminate confusion as to what you were drawing out of the quiver.

I will try to find some old school pictures.

:)
Title: Re: Will Field points kill grouse???
Post by: PolarBear on January 09, 2013, 12:32:03 AM: Another vote for judo's! I've killed a couple of dozen grouse with them and haven't lost one yet. IMO, field points are too risky for most folks.

(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fv103%2FPolrbear%2FDSCN0273.jpg&hash=0b25483b72b90440b430b43be180f6a4267f3e6b)
Title: Re: Will Field points kill grouse???
Post by: bear hunter on January 09, 2013, 01:26:27 AM: I just use the broadhead washer things. I can't remember the name but most shops carry them. They fit just behind your field point and are very cheap. I only body shot grouse on the ground with those points and head shots out of trees with judo points. Kills them dead and I never lost one yet.
Title: Re: Will Field points kill grouse???
Post by: boneaddict on January 09, 2013, 04:51:32 AM: I aim for the head. I guess I just seem to kill it or miss.
Title: Re: Will Field points kill grouse???
Post by: huntingfool7 on January 09, 2013, 06:15:49 AM: Quote from: xdog on January 09, 2013, 12:15:23 AM
Am I the only guy left with love for the Rubber Blunt?

http://www.bowhuntingstuff.com/product/RUBBER_BLUNT/Blunt-Arrow-Point---Rubber-Slide-On.html (http://www.bowhuntingstuff.com/product/RUBBER_BLUNT/Blunt-Arrow-Point---Rubber-Slide-On.html)

I used carry 3 in my eight arrow quiver for years. Two straight fletched and one Flu Flu. Blunts work great for Grouse and they are the best IMHO for recovery, they will generally bounce off wood and rock with no damage. I would often shoot a few blunts a day at stuumps or big trees just for practice with little worry of damaging or recovering a arrow. Another advantage is that I loaded my blunt arrows in the quiver safely upside down to help eliminate confusion as to what you were drawing out of the quiver.

I will try to find some old school pictures.

:)

Not the only one. Rubber blunts work awesome.
Title: Re: Will Field points kill grouse???
Post by: boneaddict on January 09, 2013, 06:58:48 AM: Do people really get hyped up enough to not know they are stringing an arrow that has a rubber tip or fieldpoint on them instead of a broadhead?
Title: Re: Will Field points kill grouse???
Post by: Bob33 on January 09, 2013, 07:33:23 AM: Quote from: WAcoueshunter on January 08, 2013, 02:26:32 PM
Quote from: Bob33 on January 07, 2013, 06:41:33 PM
The shooting restriction pertains to "the maintained portion of a public highway", not a "maintained roadway". Public highways are essentially all roads that are not privately owned. The restriction applies to both firearms and archery equipment.

See RCW 77.15.460.

Are you sure it pertains to archery? The statute references a "loaded firearm". :dunno:

http://apps.leg.wa.gov/wac/default.aspx?cite=232-12-054 (http://apps.leg.wa.gov/wac/default.aspx?cite=232-12-054)

(c) It is unlawful to shoot a bow and arrow from a vehicle or from, across, or along the maintained portion of a public highway, except that persons with a disabled hunter permit may shoot from a vehicle if the hunter is in compliance with WAC 232-12-828.
Title: Re: Will Field points kill grouse???
Post by: huntingfool7 on January 09, 2013, 08:31:30 AM: (c) It is unlawful to shoot a bow and arrow from a vehicle or from, across, or along the maintained portion of a public highway, except that persons with a disabled hunter permit may shoot from a vehicle if the hunter is in compliance with WAC 232-12-828.

Somebody must have done this at some point? Trying to picture sitting in the truck and either getting a bow out the window to shoot or shooting out the passenger side window.
Also, if you stuck it out the window, how would you anchor at full draw?
Title: Re: Will Field points kill grouse???
Post by: xdog on January 09, 2013, 09:54:18 AM: I have seen lots of guys drive around with their buddies in the back of a open bed pickup truck with arrows nocked I assume ready to fling arrows at the moment of stop or slow down the truck. I have seen several that even built blinds on the truck bed to facilitate this. I have seen as many as four in a truck bed two facing each way, I always wanted to see that fire drill: the near rail kneels while the far rail stands and they all shoot on the count of three?

:bdid:
Title: Re: Will Field points kill grouse???
Post by: huntingfool7 on January 09, 2013, 11:01:57 AM: ah ha, like a chariot. The original drive by shooting.
Title: Re: Will Field points kill grouse???
Post by: Bob33 on January 09, 2013, 11:25:33 AM: "from a vehicle or from, across, or along the maintained portion of a public highway..."

You do not have to be shooting from a vehicle to be in violation.
Title: Re: Will Field points kill grouse???
Post by: blackveltbowhunter on January 09, 2013, 12:12:16 PM: Having killed chickens with everything from bare hands to 300 win mag, my personal opinion is the least effective method is the field tipped arrow. As has been pointed out, some of the seemingly harmless methods of dispatching them are technically illegal, so when I do shoot them with archery tackle, its either with a BH shot to the head or I carry a g5 SGH in my pocket and change out the arrow point to fit the game.
Title: Re: Will Field points kill grouse???
Post by: BLDtraLR on January 10, 2013, 09:31:24 PM: Quote from: xdog on January 09, 2013, 09:54:18 AM
I have seen lots of guys drive around with their buddies in the back of a open bed pickup truck with arrows nocked I assume ready to fling arrows at the moment of stop or slow down the truck. I have seen several that even built blinds on the truck bed to facilitate this. I have seen as many as four in a truck bed two facing each way, I always wanted to see that fire drill: the near rail kneels while the far rail stands and they all shoot on the count of three?

:bdid: HAHA seen em doing it also we call it daktari hunting :yike: :bdid: :chuckle: crazy and just asking for trouble
Title: Re: Will Field points kill grouse???
Post by: BLDtraLR on January 10, 2013, 09:34:39 PM: Quote from: BLDtraLR on January 10, 2013, 09:31:24 PM
Quote from: xdog on January 09, 2013, 09:54:18 AM
I have seen lots of guys drive around with their buddies in the back of a open bed pickup truck with arrows nocked I assume ready to fling arrows at the moment of stop or slow down the truck. I have seen several that even built blinds on the truck bed to facilitate this. I have seen as many as four in a truck bed two facing each way, I always wanted to see that fire drill: the near rail kneels while the far rail stands and they all shoot on the count of three?

:bdid: HAHA seen em doing it also we call it daktari hunting :yike: :bdid: :chuckle: crazy and just asking for trouble
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