Post by: Bigshooter on September 05, 2012, 07:59:28 PM
I got this off of another site. If this is correct, I find it sad.
Here is the new proposed license fees as they were presented at the Joint Travel, Recreation, Wildlife and Cultural Resource Committee meeting, held August 23, 2012 in Jackson, WY.
Mule deer and Whitetail deer licenses will become species specific but no variation of license fee was presented, so I am assuming all deer licenses would cost the same.
Resident:
Antelope: from $31 to $48
Deer: $36 to $52
Elk: $50 to $75
Moose: $110 to $175
Big Horn Sheep: $115 to $250
Mountain Goat: $120 to $260
Black Bear: $43 to $52.50
Daily Fishing: $4 to $7
Annual Fishing: $22 to $36
Non-resident:
Antelope: from $270 to $370
Deer: $310 to $520
Elk: $575 to $750
Moose: $1400 to $1750
Big Horn Sheep: remains @ $2500
Mountain Goat: $2150 to $2600
Black Bear: $360 to $437.50
Daily Fishing: remains @ $12
Annual Fishing: remains @ $90
Other Licenses:
Conservation Stamp: $12 to $14.50
Res. Archery: $14 to $17
Non-res. Archery: $28 to $34
Res. Application Fee: $5 to $6
Non-res. App. Fee: $14 to $17
Reduced Fees:
Res. Annual Game Bird: $14 to $10
Res. Small Game: $14 to $10
Res. Combo GB/SG: $22 to $15
Post by: Ridgerunner on September 05, 2012, 08:10:45 PM
Post by: 6x6in6 on September 05, 2012, 08:25:34 PM
Post by: actionshooter on September 05, 2012, 09:04:01 PM
Seems they raised there fees a couple of years ago.
I wonder if those two facts have anything to do with each other?
Post by: mkcj on September 05, 2012, 09:12:02 PM
Post by: lhrbull on September 05, 2012, 10:22:04 PM
Post by: dvolmer on September 06, 2012, 08:49:20 AM
If you were selling your truck and you asked $1000 for it and you had 20 people call you to buy it, wouldnt you prefer to sell your truck for $2000 and have three people call and want to buy it. Even better you could sell it for $2500 and have just one person want to buy it. This is the principle they are practicing. Not fun for the out of state hunter but good and big business for the states of Montana, Idaho, and Wyoming with hardly any people living there and limited resources due to low population and revenue.
Post by: Bean Counter on September 06, 2012, 09:07:29 AM
I was just about to start playing the points game and I was going to start with Wyoming. Still a few weeks left to buy points. I guess they don't want my money, afterall.
Post by: longrange7mm on September 06, 2012, 09:43:34 AM
Post by: bobcat on September 06, 2012, 10:18:35 AM
Post by: NRA4LIFE on September 06, 2012, 10:22:53 AM
Post by: actionshooter on September 06, 2012, 05:26:51 PM
Post by: Bean Counter on September 06, 2012, 07:37:26 PM
Post by: 6x6in6 on September 07, 2012, 09:32:28 AM
Both reviews in the past resulted in about a 15% average across the board increase to non-res fees.
The 2012 proposed fees are similar to the proposed fees of the past on a % of increase basis. The Commission whacked away at those proposed fees back then. Maybe the Commission has paid attention to what has happened to their neighboring states and either do nothing or at best only a slight increase.
Post by: trophyhunt on September 07, 2012, 10:08:25 AM
Post by: Special T on September 07, 2012, 01:52:21 PM
Post by: trophyhunt on September 07, 2012, 02:15:32 PM
I didn't see a wolf tag? :o I thought that they wer going for $350??? But Then again in the SE portion just a reg hunting Lic will work! :tup:Idaho wolf tags are around 35 bucks. No way in hell I would pay 350 for a tag, I hope these numbers are not happening.
Post by: Special T on September 07, 2012, 02:43:42 PM
I wonder how heavily that rule is enforced?
Post by: Bigshooter on September 11, 2012, 07:01:58 AM
Check out this link. And send in comments.
Post by: Ridgerunner on September 11, 2012, 07:11:48 AM
Post by: 6x6in6 on September 11, 2012, 09:09:30 AM
On the flip side, that up-charge might just put me in the winners bracket in 2013. :yike:
When I started the moose venture, the cost of the non-res tag was $1010.
Post by: Bigshooter on September 11, 2012, 10:10:39 AM
The states want the max they can get financially and still sell all of there licenses. For instance if they have 5000 out of state deer tags and have 10,000 people putting in for them at $300 say, they want to know how much they can raise the tag and have 5500 people putting in for the 5000 tags. They know that as they raise the tag price, people will start bailing on buying them. But they dont care as long as they sell them all. This is what happened in Montana. They had twice as many people putting in for the amount of tags they had and decided to raise the price up to see if they could get the ratio to be close to equal in applicants and tag numbers. montana got a little bit too greedy and raised the tag cost up and above the amount they should have and now cant sell all of there licenses. People are laughing at them but they are still making out like bandits. This is due to the higher costs they get for the ones they do sell. if they have 1500 left out of the 140000 they sell they still are doing a lot better because the 12500 people that did buy tags bought them at close to twice as much as they were selling before they raised the price. They figure in the future when the economy gets better the other 1500 will sell.
If you were selling your truck and you asked $1000 for it and you had 20 people call you to buy it, wouldnt you prefer to sell your truck for $2000 and have three people call and want to buy it. Even better you could sell it for $2500 and have just one person want to buy it. This is the principle they are practicing. Not fun for the out of state hunter but good and big business for the states of Montana, Idaho, and Wyoming with hardly any people living there and limited resources due to low population and revenue.
Montana, Idaho and Wyoming all have left over tags that you can buy today. Idaho has completely screwed themselves. They use to sell out of all there tags in a week. Now there lucky to sell any tags. Montana increased there prices a couple years ago and guess what they still have a ton of tags for sale today. And right now in wyoming they still have tags avaiable at the price there at right now.
How about instead of these government agencies spending more money than they have, how about they do what the rest of us do and CUT back on there spending. Why is that so hard to do? I have very little doubt that the dumbest people in this country work for the government. And I don't care if that offends some of you, so don't send me any messages.
Post by: steeleywhopper on September 14, 2012, 06:53:02 PM
Post by: GUscottie on September 14, 2012, 07:27:48 PM
Post by: 307_BOWS on September 20, 2012, 02:16:20 PM
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How about instead of these government agencies spending more money than they have, how about they do what the rest of us do and CUT back on there spending. Why is that so hard to do?One thing you have to understand is that the Wyoming Game and Fish does not receive money from the Wyoming Legislature, thus the Game and fish is taxed with generating their own income to sustain them. "And so the department most responsible for managing wildlife and hunting needs to raise between $8 million and $10 million without having the luxury of a stream of state taxpayer money."http://trib.com/opinion/will-wyoming-be-priced-out-of-a-way-of-life/article_258910a6-681c-5978-8dde-00eb50b5ee4b.html (http://trib.com/opinion/will-wyoming-be-priced-out-of-a-way-of-life/article_258910a6-681c-5978-8dde-00eb50b5ee4b.html)).
Another problem that they face is that they must also manage a lot of money intensive species such as the black footed ferret, brown bears, and many non-game fish and aquatic species to name a few. The problem with this is that they must manage those species as per the federal government, but they don't make any money from these conservation projects from licenses and fees.
The article below explains all of the options that the WY G&F has come up with to reduce the costs to the sportsmen.
http://wgfd.wyo.gov/web2011/news-1000952.aspx (http://wgfd.wyo.gov/web2011/news-1000952.aspx)
Furthermore, I think that you should take a look at your own state's out of state license fees. Though they generally are not more than states like WY, MT, and ID they are still high and out price many people. For instance I just forked over more than $180.00 to hunt birds here this season, in comparison I only pay $115.00 for an out of state license to hunt birds in South Dakota where the populations are tens of times stronger! Now tell me that is not RAPE!!!
Post by: ELKBURGER on September 20, 2012, 03:07:36 PM
Post by: Bigshooter on September 20, 2012, 04:14:40 PM
I dont care how wy gets its money. But you don't have to be a genius to figure out that you shouldn't spend more money than you have.
Post by: GUscottie on September 20, 2012, 04:35:02 PM
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I dont care how wy gets its money. But you don't have to be a genius to figure out that you shouldn't spend more money than you have.
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Post by: 307_BOWS on September 20, 2012, 05:20:03 PM
Obviously you do care how WY gets its money because you are complaining that they are proposing raising license fees. I agree with you that it is unfortunate that they are raising the prices and that it may price out a lot of people from having the wonderful opportunity of hunting there. However, I feel that the price increases are a must to continue to create the world class hunting and fishing that the state is known for.
Post by: Bigshooter on September 25, 2012, 01:30:45 AM
Bigshooter,
Obviously you do care how WY gets its money because you are complaining that they are proposing raising license fees. I agree with you that it is unfortunate that they are raising the prices and that it may price out a lot of people from having the wonderful opportunity of hunting there. However, I feel that the price increases are a must to continue to create the world class hunting and fishing that the state is known for.
I don't care that WY doesn't get any money from tax dollars. WY 4 years ago did a price increase. What happened to all of that revenue? Now just 4 years later they are claiming that they need $8-10 million more in revenue to continue running without going in the red. If these increases do happen WY will have cut there own throat. With the couple of bad winters and now a bad drought the deer numbers in Western WY are very low, maybe at an all time low from some of the stuff I have read. Look what high prices and lack of deer have down to ID. Or what the high prices have down to MT. It's a spending issue, not a revenue issue. Stop spending more money than you have.
Post by: Special T on September 25, 2012, 07:40:33 AM
Post by: Bigshooter on September 25, 2012, 07:30:45 PM
I think many of us would take the kind of MGT that WY provides... I did not know that sportsmen pay the whole way in WY. I actually PREFER that we pay the whole way that way our agency would be held more accountable to us.
The problem WY has is that sportmans have to pay for everything. Even if it's for bird watching. While the guy that is watching the birds pays nothing.
Post by: Special T on September 25, 2012, 09:52:57 PM
Post by: Hunter Dug on September 26, 2012, 10:24:57 AM
Post by: dvolmer on September 26, 2012, 11:59:43 AM
Ill still pay there fees, and dont care what they charge just be cause its a down right great place to hunt.
I agree. I am 47 this year and the last year I will be 47 in my lifetime. If I can afford it I go. If you wait until you are wealthy and or retired you lost your best hunting years. I know that at 47 I can hump hills much harder than I will be able to at 65 when retirement comes. Dont wait and always plan for the future. Life is something that goes by while we make plans for the future. Go now! Dont give away your todays for a couple of hundred dollars you are scared to spend.
Post by: ELKBURGER on September 26, 2012, 02:39:48 PM
Well Said.Ill still pay there fees, and dont care what they charge just be cause its a down right great place to hunt.
I agree. I am 47 this year and the last year I will be 47 in my lifetime. If I can afford it I go. If you wait until you are wealthy and or retired you lost your best hunting years. I know that at 47 I can hump hills much harder than I will be able to at 65 when retirement comes. Dont wait and always plan for the future. Life is something that goes by while we make plans for the future. Go now! Dont give away your todays for a couple of hundred dollars you are scared to spend.
Post by: actionshooter on September 26, 2012, 09:10:01 PM
Ill still pay there fees, and dont care what they charge just be cause its a down right great place to hunt.
I agree. I am 47 this year and the last year I will be 47 in my lifetime. If I can afford it I go. If you wait until you are wealthy and or retired you lost your best hunting years. I know that at 47 I can hump hills much harder than I will be able to at 65 when retirement comes. Dont wait and always plan for the future. Life is something that goes by while we make plans for the future. Go now! Dont give away your todays for a couple of hundred dollars you are scared to spend.
I agree, I don't like it, but thats how I have been playing it.
Post by: TheHunt on September 26, 2012, 09:21:37 PM
Post by: Ghost Hunter on October 02, 2012, 05:37:16 AM
Post by: huntnnw on October 02, 2012, 10:21:13 PM
Post by: Bean Counter on October 03, 2012, 03:55:21 AM
Now I have to figure out how you guys put in for all the early states at the same time and handle the possibility of being drawn in multiple states with overlapping tags. :o
Post by: huntnnw on October 03, 2012, 09:57:19 PM
Post by: Bigshooter on October 03, 2012, 10:02:54 PM
Good thoughts guys. Thank you to all for the encouragement to grow a pair and quit the bitchin'. I decided to buy points for elk, deer, and pronghorn. I figured that I have up to two years to decide that it was a waste of $120 and I may be glad I put in. For now it seems that states that are in play for me are NM, CO, AZ, and WY. However, NV, UT, ID, MT, WA will be off my list due to either wolves, cost, or drive distance.
Now I have to figure out how you guys put in for all the early states at the same time and handle the possibility of being drawn in multiple states with overlapping tags. :o
I wouldn't worry about that. I apply for about 20 tags every year. And I can't remember drawing more than two tags in a year. And only once have I had tags overlaped.
Post by: carpsniperg2 on October 03, 2012, 10:08:50 PM
Post by: Bean Counter on October 04, 2012, 03:56:12 AM
what I have researched for WY elk is to apply everyyear for the easy to draw hunts and be able to hunt every year to every other year or wait 5 and apply every 5 and hunt good areas
I've been looking up outfitters. I see lots of pics of clients with 280" bulls on the ground, but only a few with 320-330". I think I'd rather wait. :twocents:
Post by: Hunter Dug on October 04, 2012, 07:40:23 AM
Post by: elkoholic on October 04, 2012, 08:37:24 AM
Post by: 6x6in6 on October 04, 2012, 12:10:19 PM
That's correct. Their are very units that will produce a 330+ bull that is less than a 5 year year wait. :chuckle:what I have researched for WY elk is to apply everyyear for the easy to draw hunts and be able to hunt every year to every other year or wait 5 and apply every 5 and hunt good areas
I've been looking up outfitters. I see lots of pics of clients with 280" bulls on the ground, but only a few with 320-330". I think I'd rather wait. :twocents: