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Title: Johnson Automatics question
Post by: HairTrigger on September 06, 2012, 08:59:24 AM
 :dunno:
I got this rifle at a pawn shop and was wondering if y'all knew more than I did about these its a .270 model 98
Title: Re: Johnson Automatics question
Post by: Bofire on September 06, 2012, 10:26:57 AM
http://www.nramuseum.com/the-museum/the-galleries/ever-vigilant/case-64-world-war-ii-us/johnson-automatics-model-1941-semi-automatic-rifle.aspx (http://www.nramuseum.com/the-museum/the-galleries/ever-vigilant/case-64-world-war-ii-us/johnson-automatics-model-1941-semi-automatic-rifle.aspx)



try here :tup:
Title: Re: Johnson Automatics question
Post by: PlateauNDN on September 06, 2012, 10:33:27 AM
Nice!  If that's the rifle you picked up it looks like you scored a beauty?  How much if you don't mind me asking or which shop?
Title: Re: Johnson Automatics question
Post by: Biggerhammer on September 06, 2012, 12:11:37 PM
Here's a general idea on how to put a value on it. Depending on the condition and what you paid for it, you could have scored big! Great piece of history either way.

http://www.gunsamerica.com/Search.htm?T=Johnson+automatic (http://www.gunsamerica.com/Search.htm?T=Johnson+automatic)
Title: Re: Johnson Automatics question
Post by: Blacktail Sniper on September 06, 2012, 12:20:29 PM
:dunno:
I got this rifle at a pawn shop and was wondering if y'all knew more than I did about these its a .270 model 98

You certain about it being a .270??  Looks like everything so far says it should be a .30/06.

I would verify that before I thought about firing it just in case.
Title: Re: Johnson Automatics question
Post by: mazama on September 06, 2012, 01:21:35 PM
It can't be a model 98 johnson,johnson-american,98 germam
Title: Re: Johnson Automatics question
Post by: Biggerhammer on September 06, 2012, 01:30:23 PM
Can you possibly post a picture of the rifle?
Title: Re: Johnson Automatics question
Post by: HairTrigger on September 06, 2012, 01:37:54 PM
Here ya go even says. 270
Title: Re: Johnson Automatics question
Post by: HairTrigger on September 06, 2012, 01:44:41 PM
@ Bofire and @ Biggerhammer neither of those worked but thanks I will let y'all know what I scored it for when I can find out how much its worth don't wanna feel ripped off
Title: Re: Johnson Automatics question
Post by: Huntbear on September 06, 2012, 02:10:51 PM
Is this a 98 Mauser that was made into a sporting rifle????? 

rebarreled, military sights milled off, new trigger group and safety????

can you post a pic of the entire rifle????
Title: Re: Johnson Automatics question
Post by: Blacktail Sniper on September 06, 2012, 02:35:01 PM
On-line found these pics, Johnson Automatics, semi-auto top pic and Mauser 98 bottom pic.

Which one looks more like your rifle?
Title: Re: Johnson Automatics question
Post by: PlateauNDN on September 06, 2012, 02:43:17 PM
Man, it's not even my rifle and i've been combing the net for at least a half hour reading stuff, talking about an amazing read and lots of good info.  I don't know if it's the original or not but to learn some piece of history about this rifle and it's maker has been exciting. :tup:
Title: Re: Johnson Automatics question
Post by: HairTrigger on September 06, 2012, 04:45:04 PM
Some more pictures
Title: Re: Johnson Automatics question
Post by: ellensburgpo on September 06, 2012, 04:46:26 PM
Looks a lot like a Mauser 98...
Title: Re: Johnson Automatics question
Post by: Blacktail Sniper on September 06, 2012, 04:54:50 PM
Looks a lot like a Mauser 98...

 :yeah:   Explains the .270 instead of being a .30/06. 

Curious why it is marked the Johnson Automatics though....   :dunno:
Title: Re: Johnson Automatics question
Post by: PlateauNDN on September 06, 2012, 04:58:52 PM
From what I've read:

The front of the barrel collar was marked “30-06” in the 12 o’clock position and “41” in the six o’clock position. There were some Johnson barrels made in .270 and 7mm caliber, but these were not used in the U.S. military service.

Read more at Ammoland.com: http://www.ammoland.com/2010/10/14/johnson-m1941-semi-automatic-rifle/#ixzz25jle1YlJ (http://www.ammoland.com/2010/10/14/johnson-m1941-semi-automatic-rifle/#ixzz25jle1YlJ)

And;

hello ,,johnson made barrels and i've seen a few on vintage springfeild bolt action custom rifles built post ww2,,is it a springfield action or mauser action,,or enfield action it's built on? sounds like a rifle built by or for someone with custom features ,,some of these sporters will bring good money depending who built them and the quality of the job,,so as for value it would depend on how nice it is ,,where your located and the market as well as condition..proably in the 400-600+ range depending on the condition and the craftsmanship put into it..possibly more if a well known gunsmith built it or at auction or to a vintage custom rifle collector,,some of the old gunsmiths built some really nice rifles and it sounds like your is a classic example of that!
 bigcurt

http://www.gunvaluesboard.com/johnson-automatic-bolt-action-rifle-1819116.html (http://www.gunvaluesboard.com/johnson-automatic-bolt-action-rifle-1819116.html)
Title: Re: Johnson Automatics question
Post by: Heredoggydoggy on September 06, 2012, 08:09:51 PM
Looks a lot like a Mauser 98...

 :yeah:   Explains the .270 instead of being a .30/06. 

Curious why it is marked the Johnson Automatics though....   :dunno:

The Army didn't buy very many rifles from Johnson.  They probably made more money selling barrels to the Sporterized Mauser rifle builders.  After WW II, and for many years after, that was the only way to get a quality hunting rifle.
Title: Re: Johnson Automatics question
Post by: actionshooter on September 06, 2012, 09:37:28 PM
Johnson sold barrels and barreled rifles on Mauser 98s
The last couple of Johnson 41s (or 1941) that I have seen were in the $4k range and they were not real nice.   Too completely different animals.
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