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Title: 300. mag, too much?
Post by: Kc_Kracker on September 06, 2012, 02:44:04 PM
I have a "know-it-all" buddy that hunts, more then I have in recent years, he keeps telling me a 300 win mag was the only gun worth hunting with.

So....of course........ I got one  :IBCOOL: :IBCOOL:

Now since I bought a 300 mag he says I am just going to ruin all my meat because its too powerful and will blow a huge hole and blah blah blah.

but.. he tends to be on the know it all side, but worse, the jealous side.. true, false?
Title: Re: 300. mag, too much?
Post by: 92xj on September 06, 2012, 02:45:37 PM
For a rabbit, yes.
For an elephant, no.
Which one are you hunting again?
Title: Re: 300. mag, too much?
Post by: grundy53 on September 06, 2012, 02:49:48 PM
I have a couple .I love them and hunt deer, elk and bear with them. Definitely not too much gun. Besides, how much meat you ruin has more to do with bullet you select then caliber.
Title: Re: 300. mag, too much?
Post by: Huntbear on September 06, 2012, 02:58:38 PM
300 Mag will kill anything you can hunt here..  including moose....

IF you shoot a deer at like 15 yards.. yea, you might blow up a shoulder...   but you will do fine with it...
Title: Re: 300. mag, too much?
Post by: Goldeneye on September 06, 2012, 03:00:51 PM
I shoot a .300 WM for both deer and elk.  I run 180gr Barnes bullets down the barrel.  Doesn't ruin much meat and the Barnes retains most of it mass.  Of course I'm not shooting them in the prime meat areas either.  On deer behind the shoulder or a neck shot work well.  For my bull Elk hunts I'll add a shoulder shot to the options.  I kind of like to break them down.  Even with that I lose very little meat.
Title: Re: 300. mag, too much?
Post by: Blacktail Sniper on September 06, 2012, 03:03:56 PM
I have a couple .I love them and hunt deer, elk and bear with them. Definitely not too much gun. Besides, how much meat you ruin has more to do with bullet you select then caliber.

I love my .300 Win mag.  I use factory 180 grain loads because I don't reload, and just be careful where you shoot them and you will be fine.
Title: Re: 300. mag, too much?
Post by: Blacktail Sniper on September 06, 2012, 03:06:23 PM
I have a "know-it-all" buddy that hunts, more then I have in recent years, he keeps telling me a 300 win mag was the only gun worth hunting with.

So....of course........ I got one  :IBCOOL: :IBCOOL:

Now since I bought a 300 mag he says I am just going to ruin all my meat because its too powerful and will blow a huge hole and blah blah blah.

but.. he tends to be on the know it all side, but worse, the jealous side.. true, false?

Just out of curiosity, what caliber does he hunt with? 
Title: Re: 300. mag, too much?
Post by: JLS on September 06, 2012, 03:13:34 PM
Great gun, the only reason it would be too much would be you either don't like to carry the heavier gun or don't like the extra recoil.
Title: Re: 300. mag, too much?
Post by: Skillet on September 06, 2012, 03:14:40 PM
Guys like that crack me up.  If he's so in love with the 300WM at first but bagging on it now.  What does he shoot?  'Cause I'm thinking it's not a 300WM...

I'll go ahead and guess what he's going to say about most calibers:

.243 - "Too small for deer, too big for coyotes."
.25-06 - "Can't buy ammo everywhere."
.270 - "Jack O'Connor was a closeted homosexual."
7mm RemMag - "Kicks too hard, eats barrels."
30-06 - "Boring, everybody has one."
300WM -  "Blows up too much meat."
338WM - "Too much gun for deer.  Makes my pu**y hurt to shoot it.  Owie."

You think he's jealous now, just wait until you drop a deer with your 300WM.  No matter what it is, it's gonna suck compared to the one you didn't shoot.

You have a great round.  I think it is one of the best out there.  What kind of rifle did you get it in?
Title: Re: 300. mag, too much?
Post by: FLIZZ on September 06, 2012, 03:16:59 PM
"Only gun worth hunting with"  :chuckle:  :dunno:. You'll be fine, there isn't too much meat right behind the shoulder anyways.
Title: Re: 300. mag, too much?
Post by: FLIZZ on September 06, 2012, 03:19:16 PM
Guys like that crack me up.  If he's so in love with the 300WM at first but bagging on it now.  What does he shoot?  'Cause I'm thinking it's not a 300WM...

I'll go ahead and guess what he's going to say about most calibers:

.243 - "Too small for deer, too big for coyotes."
.25-06 - "Can't buy ammo everywhere."
.270 - "Jack O'Connor was a closeted homosexual."
7mm RemMag - "Kicks too hard, eats barrels."
30-06 - "Boring, everybody has one."
300WM -  "Blows up too much meat."
338WM - "Too much gun for deer.  Makes my pu**y hurt to shoot it.  Owie."

You think he's jealous now, just wait until you drop a deer with your 300WM.  No matter what it is, it's gonna suck compared to the one you didn't shoot.

You have a great round.  I think it is one of the best out there.  What kind of rifle did you get it in?

 The 30-06 one is kind of true. :chuckle:
Title: Re: 300. mag, too much?
Post by: FC on September 06, 2012, 03:20:02 PM
You have a great round.  I think it is one of the best out there.

Agreed! Your "buddy" must be jealous or something.
Title: Re: 300. mag, too much?
Post by: Biggerhammer on September 06, 2012, 03:20:36 PM
Heck no!! It's my number #1 choice and favorite cartridge. Ive shot a truck load of stuff with the .300 Winnie. With one of my heavy barrels,  I shot 186 Rockchucks in one spring/summer. Furthest I took a Mulie with that rifle was a doe at 608 yards. All with Nosler 180 BT's and IMR 4831.
Title: Re: 300. mag, too much?
Post by: FLIZZ on September 06, 2012, 03:23:49 PM
My buddy always jokes about how he's going up to Vail opening morning to shoot a spike with milk still on it's lips in the face at 10 yards with his .300 Win Mag. This post made me think of that.  :chuckle:
Title: Re: 300. mag, too much?
Post by: Blacktail Sniper on September 06, 2012, 03:28:06 PM
"338WM - "Too much gun for deer.  Makes my pu**y hurt to shoot it.  Owie.""


 :chuckle:


Title: Re: 300. mag, too much?
Post by: grundy53 on September 06, 2012, 03:34:59 PM
With the bullets I use my .25-06 causes quite a bit more damage then either of my .300 mags...
Title: Re: 300. mag, too much?
Post by: sirmissalot on September 06, 2012, 03:37:44 PM
I hear stuff like that all the time. People see me with my 300 weatherby for blacktails and say its too big and blows them up, never had an issue. I did shoot my buck last year through the shoulder and it kinda messed up some meat, not bad though and I doubt a 270 or 30-06 would have been much different. I shot a couple doe antelope with it last year too, right behind the shoulder and didn't waste any meat, those things are probably about 80lbs on the hoof.
Title: 300. mag, too much?
Post by: doublenasty on September 06, 2012, 03:45:35 PM
I love my .300 win mag also and I use 190 grain for elk and bear 150 grain for deer!!


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Title: Re: 300. mag, too much?
Post by: runningboard on September 06, 2012, 03:49:09 PM
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With the bullets I use my .25-06 causes quite a bit more damage then either of my .300 mags
agree with this statement 100%, use 100gr ballistic tips in my girl's 25-35 WIN & my butcher friend asks what the heck she shoots cuz of the damage, pulled all of 'em & use something else 'cause of it.
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I hear stuff like that all the time. People see me with my 300 weatherby for blacktails and say its too big and blows them up, never had an issue. I did shoot my buck last year through the shoulder and it kinda messed up some meat, not bad though and I doubt a 270 or 30-06 would have been much different. I shot a couple doe antelope with it last year too, right behind the shoulder and didn't waste any meat, those things are probably about 80lbs on the hoof.
I also owned a 300 Roy & handloaded it up & down with all kinds of bullets & used for everything from ground squirrels to buffalo (bison) & never felt overgunned 'til I broke my arm & ended up with a pin in my arm that limits my tolerance for recoil. stick with 180's for all & you'll be happy, lighter & they break up at mind creaky velocities (read close) unless you use premium hold together bullets.
Title: Re: 300. mag, too much?
Post by: Kc_Kracker on September 06, 2012, 04:40:51 PM
he shoots a 06 for those that asked, and when shooting i offered him some some some fun bang bang, he stepped back and said
" naw dude, im cool, that fu**er looks like it hurts"  :dunno:

 :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:

so never skinning one in my life, how do i know whats ruined?  :o
Title: Re: 300. mag, too much?
Post by: Eli346 on September 06, 2012, 04:48:16 PM
Bloodshot! Cut it out as soon as possible to keep it from tainting the good meat.
Title: Re: 300. mag, too much?
Post by: Blacktail Sniper on September 06, 2012, 04:50:35 PM
he shoots a 06 for those that asked, and when shooting i offered him some some some fun bang bang, he stepped back and said
" naw dude, im cool, that fu**er looks like it hurts"  :dunno:

 :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:

so never skinning one in my life, how do i know whats ruined?  :o

It will be pretty obvious what is damaged and what is not.  Large, dark, bloody, torn-up patches of meat at the entry/exit site.  Pretty much if you look at it and don't think you would want to eat it, then, there ya go!

One thing I have found you can do is to trim away that part as soon as you can, especially if you plan to hang before or take your meat in for processing, trimming away the bloodshot area helps to keep it from spreading into the area around it.

 
Title: Re: 300. mag, too much?
Post by: copasj on September 06, 2012, 05:02:17 PM
300WM + 165 gr Speer SP +  54.0gr Varget = 2799fps (Hodgdon.com)
Remington factory 30-06 165gr core-lokt  = 2800 fps

Just saying ::)

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Title: Re: 300. mag, too much?
Post by: threedwizard on September 06, 2012, 05:45:07 PM
I agree with Grundy53, the 300 WM is a GREAT caliber. I've hunted bear, elk, and deer with 180 Barnes and it has never let me down and NEVER been too much gun. Enjoy it!!
Title: Re: 300. mag, too much?
Post by: Bob33 on September 06, 2012, 06:33:41 PM
The answer to your original question: "he tends to be on the know it all side, but worse, the jealous side.. true, false? " is true.

The answer to your post title: "300 mag, too much?" is no.
Title: Re: 300. mag, too much?
Post by: Bofire on September 06, 2012, 08:12:54 PM
 :) My go to hunting rifle since 1972 has been a 300WM, custom built for me by my brother. Longest shots I ever made, only have shot 3 animals more than once, all my best mounts. yep the 300, I love the cartridge, and my rifle.
Carl
Title: Re: 300. mag, too much?
Post by: fishingnut71 on September 07, 2012, 07:37:20 PM
Get a tikka t3lite .300wm and not sacrifice weight an d have an all around gun you can do ANYTHNG with! :twocents: Enough said!
Title: Re: 300. mag, too much?
Post by: JODakota on September 07, 2012, 07:52:28 PM
"338WM - "Too much gun for deer.  Makes my pu**y hurt to shoot it.  Owie.""


 :chuckle:

Bahhahaha have tears rolling down my face from how you threw in the "Owie"
Title: Re: 300. mag, too much?
Post by: Biggerhammer on September 07, 2012, 07:58:33 PM
Get a tikka t3lite .300wm and not sacrifice weight an d have an all around gun you can do ANYTHNG with! :twocents: Enough said!

A Tikka would be the only thing that would detour me from the chambering.
Title: Re: 300. mag, too much?
Post by: KFhunter on September 07, 2012, 08:15:00 PM
Get a tikka t3lite .300wm and not sacrifice weight an d have an all around gun you can do ANYTHNG with! :twocents: Enough said!

A Tikka would be the only thing that would detour me from the chambering.

"Tikka t3 300WM - "Makes my pu**y hurt to shoot it.  Owie.""

Title: Re: 300. mag, too much?
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on September 07, 2012, 08:41:31 PM
I never was a magnum fan but now I own one and seen what it does to a bear and elk I kinda like it .... But I still favor my .270 when push comes to shove  :dunno: :chuckle: :chuckle:
Title: Re: 300. mag, too much?
Post by: Biggerhammer on September 07, 2012, 08:44:21 PM
I never was a magnum fan but now I own one and seen what it does to a bear and elk I kinda like it .... But I still favor my .270 when push comes to shove  :dunno: :chuckle: :chuckle:

A friend told me anything under .375 H&H was like a fat chick, they may be fun but you don't want your buddies to see you with one. :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
Title: Re: 300. mag, too much?
Post by: Curly on September 07, 2012, 09:05:46 PM
I've never wasted much meat by shooting deer with my 300WM.  If they are close, just shoot them in the head or neck.  If they are a ways out there, shoot them behind the shoulder and double-lung them.  Not much wasted meat that way............
Title: Re: Re: 300. mag, too much?
Post by: copasj on September 07, 2012, 09:41:36 PM
I never was a magnum fan but now I own one and seen what it does to a bear and elk I kinda like it .... But I still favor my .270 when push comes to shove  :dunno: :chuckle: :chuckle:

I had one for awhile, but prefer smaller myself as well.  Just didn't work out between me and it so it moved on.

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Title: Re: 300. mag, too much?
Post by: shoot-em-dead on September 07, 2012, 10:20:24 PM
I love my 300- never ruined any more meat than with any other caliber- Damaged meat is mainly about shot placement. Mine is a savage with synthetic stock so it is nice and light for packing. If I hold it wrong when I shot I can get bruised up a bit but that's my fault for not shouldering it right. As long as I pull it in nice and tight I can shoot as much as I need to.   Also I must say ---------------------- THIS THREAD IS USELESS WITHOUT PICS-------------------
Title: Re: 300. mag, too much?
Post by: BigGoonTuna on September 08, 2012, 08:10:36 AM
i just like having a caliber that's enjoyable to shoot.  for what i do, the big magnums aren't really my first choice.  i won't knock anyone's caliber choice, though.

if i ever get into reloading, that could always change...
Title: Re: 300. mag, too much?
Post by: PBinWA on September 08, 2012, 08:22:34 AM
I use the Remington Managed Recoil loads in my 300WM for deer hunting.  They shoot like a .308.
Title: Re: 300. mag, too much?
Post by: mossy8352 on September 08, 2012, 08:55:15 AM
I hunted with a Remington 700BDL in 300 mag for years in California and Utah with no issues but I also hand loaded and built loads for what I was hunting. Best of many worlds 150 grain round noes for Whitetail and black tail 165 grain Nosler BT for Utah Mulies and larger game. Great gun wish I had kept it.
Title: Re: 300. mag, too much?
Post by: Hi-Liter on September 10, 2012, 03:07:47 PM
I love my .300 win mag. I have a rem. 700 with drop box. I do reload but favor factory federal .180 grain nosler bullets for elk and .150 gr core lokt for deer. Just place the bullet right and you won't have any issues. The gun can seriously reach out and touch an animal.

First time last year (ever) I shot an elk twice with it. The shot was 350 yds, once thru the neck and the other thru the boiler house. The 2nd shot did damage to left shld coming out, But I have seen 30.06 do a lot worse than a 300 can.
Title: Re: 300. mag, too much?
Post by: Blacktail Sniper on September 10, 2012, 10:09:00 PM
Get a tikka t3lite .300wm and not sacrifice weight an d have an all around gun you can do ANYTHNG with! :twocents: Enough said!

A Tikka would be the only thing that would detour me from the chambering.

"Tikka t3 300WM - "Makes my pu**y hurt to shoot it.  Owie.""

Should be holding it against your shoulder not between your legs. :chuckle:   :chuckle:


 :DOH:
Title: Re: 300. mag, too much?
Post by: RadSav on September 10, 2012, 10:23:49 PM
so never skinning one in my life, how do i know whats ruined?  :o

If you do not need to grind it to make burgers it's probably ruined.  :o

grundy53's response was nearly word for word what I was thinking.  All about the bullet choice.  And with the 300WM you have A LOT of choices :tup:
Title: Re: 300. mag, too much?
Post by: Alchase on September 11, 2012, 12:15:59 PM
300WM + 165 gr Speer SP +  54.0gr Varget = 2799fps (Hodgdon.com)
Remington factory 30-06 165gr core-lokt  = 2800 fps

Just saying ::)

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Title: Re: 300. mag, too much?
Post by: Alchase on September 11, 2012, 12:20:11 PM
At 100 yards 300 Win Mag is 300 ftps faster with a 165 on average over a 30-06
30-06 = 2540
300 Win Mag = 2846
Title: Re: 300. mag, too much?
Post by: PolarBear on September 11, 2012, 12:23:15 PM
What is this guy shooting Texas heart shots?  If you shoot for the heart & lungs how are you going to ruin any decent meat?
Title: Re: 300. mag, too much?
Post by: Bigshooter on September 11, 2012, 12:25:09 PM
Dead is dead.  Theres no such thing as to much gun.   :tup:
Title: Re: 300. mag, too much?
Post by: LEN on September 15, 2012, 09:06:11 AM
Really like my 300WM(this is my 4th, finally the last one) not too much gun. And as to damage the bullet tell the tale(tail). Made a bad shot on a black tail bouncing away once, was going for the head/neck and when the trigger broke saw butt. Bullet passed just right of spine and out though the heart. And was really surprised at the small amout of damage. Barnes 180 gr at 3000 fps.

LEN
Title: Re: 300. mag, too much?
Post by: steen on September 15, 2012, 10:30:57 AM
You will love it!  It is the only gun I need for everything I will hunt.  I prefer behind the shoulder shots but it is a personal thing for everyone.  Wide range of ammo choices for what ever species u want to hunt.  A relaxed shooter will not be bothered by the recoil.  The only time the weight of the gun might be a problem is if u r packing in with minimal gear.  Good luck!
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