Post by: Austinsmm on September 09, 2012, 03:30:35 PM
Post by: madcow41 on September 09, 2012, 03:35:01 PM
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on September 09, 2012, 04:18:50 PM
Post by: Kowsrule30 on September 09, 2012, 04:32:14 PM
Post by: Axle on September 09, 2012, 04:33:21 PM
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Well placed arrow will up end a bears day real quick .... hope you find him !
:yeah:
Post by: Axle on September 09, 2012, 04:36:47 PM
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If you got lungs he's close.... They can hide in the smallest and most hidden places right in front of you.....
True. But if you only got one lung - good luck. It isn't like single-lunging a deer or elk. Bears can live and breath from one lung (just like humans).
The chest cavity is small on a bear and it is not the easiest to double-lung. Especially on an angle.
Post by: h20hunter on September 09, 2012, 05:15:57 PM
Post by: mfswallace on September 09, 2012, 05:26:47 PM
Well its official, bears are not ment to be shot by a bow. My first bear I shot in the lung at 15yards in a treestand waiting for a buck, 2nd bear we were going down the road and passed a chocolate bear and I jumped out 25 yards down the road and got closer and took a 35 yard shot and I hit his lungs and he went around in circles and we couldn't find him because we couldn't tell where he was going. Now we are waiting for the birds...so if you have a blood hound and live near cle elum let me know!
:dunno: One bear 1 lung + one bear 2 lungs = are you done killing things doctor or is there another bear you could shoot and guess which vital you hit :dunno:
Post by: bassquatch on September 09, 2012, 07:11:38 PM
Post by: ICEMAN on September 09, 2012, 07:40:20 PM
Post by: h20hunter on September 09, 2012, 07:55:12 PM
Post by: jackelope on September 09, 2012, 07:55:59 PM
Post by: h20hunter on September 09, 2012, 07:57:35 PM
Post by: mfswallace on September 09, 2012, 08:35:27 PM
Is the "noteworthy" part of the signature tagged or wounded? :bash:
I don't think he would actually put the bears he just wasted on there do you... :yike:
Not bashing, but when you have a guy spend 3-4 days looking for a deer with his wife and friends and feels bad about it and then someone just causually throws out there he has wounded 2 bears and let the birds have em' it sort of tells you alot about their integrity :twocents:
Post by: baker5150 on September 09, 2012, 08:44:34 PM
Post by: runamuk on September 09, 2012, 08:49:39 PM
Post by: mfswallace on September 09, 2012, 08:51:40 PM
Well I dont have a bloodhound but can track a critter live near cle elum and have nothing going on :dunno:
get Rex out there!!! :chuckle:
Or the Huntbear thing you keep around the dungeon....
Post by: Huntbear on September 09, 2012, 08:56:58 PM
Well I dont have a bloodhound but can track a critter live near cle elum and have nothing going on :dunno:
get Rex out there!!! :chuckle:
Or the Huntbear thing you keep around the dungeon....
Careful young un.... this Huntbear thing is gonna help pack out your deer when you connect... ;) ;) ;) ;)
And yes.. Rex will help... give him a scent,,,, I am sure he can track it right to the nearest chipmunk at the very least... :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: mfswallace on September 09, 2012, 08:58:59 PM
Well I dont have a bloodhound but can track a critter live near cle elum and have nothing going on :dunno:
get Rex out there!!! :chuckle:
Or the Huntbear thing you keep around the dungeon....
Careful young un.... this Huntbear thing is gonna help pack out your deer when you connect... ;) ;) ;) ;)
And yes.. Rex will help... give him a scent,,,, I am sure he can track it right to the nearest chipmunk at the very least... :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
:chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
I'll connect but not until I find the right one, lots of time with this multi I was lucky enough to pay for, oops I mean draw... :chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: mfswallace on September 09, 2012, 09:11:07 PM
Austinsmm----You should check out this thread all the way through, it shows how it should be done!!!!
Post by: Hunter Dug on September 09, 2012, 09:14:02 PM
Post by: shedcrazy on September 09, 2012, 09:23:33 PM
2 wounded bears?
:yike: :yike: Really??
Post by: Goldeneye on September 09, 2012, 09:30:01 PM
http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,104868.msg1364939.html#msg1364939 (http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,104868.msg1364939.html#msg1364939)
Post by: Wildsau on September 10, 2012, 07:25:10 AM
If I put an arrow in a bear, I know it will bleed a lot, even with a through-and-through shot. If there is no blood, the wound is closed/plugged, or not sever enough to kill the animal.
I use Slick Tricks and know if I place an arrow in a bear, the hole will be big enough to drive a truck trough. Well, maybe not that big, but it will be big enough to make the bear bleed out real fast.
Keep looking, don't give up, and good luck.
Post by: bearhunter99 on September 10, 2012, 09:28:40 AM
Well its official, bears are not ment to be shot by a bow.:bash: :bash: :bash:
I shot a brown bear with my bow at 37 yds. Only about an 8'6" she grizz but she only went about 50 yds and piled up. Look up black bear and grizzly in Pope and Young, you might actually be surprised how many people can and do kill bears with a bow.
:twocents:
Oh yeah you might also want to look at the sticky thread at the top of the page and read about shot placement on bears before you go out and waste another.
Post by: Blacktail Sniper on September 10, 2012, 09:40:09 AM
Post by: crschralping on September 10, 2012, 09:54:55 AM
Post by: elkoholic1 on September 10, 2012, 10:00:20 AM
Well placed arrow will up end a bears day real quick .... :dunno: hope you find him !
:yeah:
Post by: N7XW on September 10, 2012, 10:08:25 AM
You have got to get back out there and find those bears. You owe it to the animals and yourself. Luckily you can get a second bear tag. Did you try to follow the blood trail? If/when it ends, look for other sign - fresh trails, broken brush, scat, etc. Look for the most minute blood drops - as small as the tip of a pencil. You will be surprised at what you see when you spend the time looking in detail. Get as many people as you can to help you. Bribe them if you have to.
Post by: jackmaster on September 10, 2012, 10:20:51 AM
Post by: grizzlyadams on September 10, 2012, 10:22:28 AM
Post by: ctwiggs1 on September 10, 2012, 10:49:44 AM
QuoteIf you got lungs he's close.... They can hide in the smallest and most hidden places right in front of you.....
True. But if you only got one lung - good luck. It isn't like single-lunging a deer or elk. Bears can live and breath from one lung (just like humans).
The chest cavity is small on a bear and it is not the easiest to double-lung. Especially on an angle.
Tension Pneumothorax. Infection. Hemothorax due to secondary wounds from primary trauma. We can live but it won't be long.
Just a combat medic's standpoint.
As far as the original post though... How long are you tracking these bears before you give up?? I've searched the same area over and over only to trip on a bear before. For some reason they can just really blend in well.
Post by: h20hunter on September 10, 2012, 05:51:59 PM
Post by: bassquatch on September 10, 2012, 05:57:34 PM
I just found this thread.
You have got to get back out there and find those bears. You owe it to the animals and yourself. Luckily you can get a second bear tag. Did you try to follow the blood trail? If/when it ends, look for other sign - fresh trails, broken brush, scat, etc. Look for the most minute blood drops - as small as the tip of a pencil. You will be surprised at what you see when you spend the time looking in detail. Get as many people as you can to help you. Bribe them if you have to.
:yeah: Either this guy just embarrassed the crap out of himself and isn't responding or this is a bogus post started be some hippie just to see what our reactions will be :dunno:
Post by: h20hunter on September 10, 2012, 05:59:01 PM
Post by: mallard79 on September 10, 2012, 06:18:05 PM
I hate seeing threads like this! If you arent going to put in the effort to find the animal then please dont take the shot!
Post by: runamuk on September 10, 2012, 06:30:53 PM
Post by: sled on September 10, 2012, 06:43:15 PM
Post by: KFhunter on September 10, 2012, 06:49:23 PM
:chuckle:
Post by: grizzlyadams on September 10, 2012, 08:10:09 PM
Post by: mfswallace on September 10, 2012, 08:12:41 PM
Did you read N7XW's story, did you see people have offered to help you do the right thing :dunno:
I don't even know what to say to this poor explanation.... :bs:
And I really hope your noteworthy isn't for the 2 bear you gave up on
Post by: ICEMAN on September 10, 2012, 08:14:26 PM
Wow 9 whole hours you should be commended on such a great effort :puke: :puke:
Did you read N7XW's story, did you see people have offered to help you do the right thing :dunno:
I don't even know what to say to this poor explanation.... :bs:
9 hours is ample IMHO. We have all lost game.
Post by: washelkhntr on September 10, 2012, 08:20:41 PM
As seen from under your profile avitar. . .
Noteworthy- 2 Bucks, 2 Bear, 1 Bobcat, All Archery
Just currious.
Post by: mfswallace on September 10, 2012, 08:22:09 PM
Wow 9 whole hours you should be commended on such a great effort :puke: :puke:
Did you read N7XW's story, did you see people have offered to help you do the right thing :dunno:
I don't even know what to say to this poor explanation.... :bs:
9 hours is ample IMHO. We have all lost game.
We are all different and if you think you killed an animal and 9 hrs is enough time looking for the animal you think and tell people you killed notch the tag and call it good. IMHO= :crap:
Post by: sled on September 10, 2012, 08:23:57 PM
Post by: Axle on September 10, 2012, 08:25:55 PM
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Maybe he's using Wasp broadheads?
BH45 and I would think the same thing......
Post by: ICEMAN on September 10, 2012, 08:28:13 PM
He is 18.
He screwed up.
He can read, he can read how many are dissatisfied with his choices.
Let him chalk it up to experience and learn from the mistake.
Post by: Curly on September 10, 2012, 08:37:05 PM
Why don't some of you adults here give this 18 year old hunter a break. I am sure he has learned a whole lot from this, from the brow bashing that he has taken so far. Do we really have to keep pounding on him?
He is 18.
He screwed up.
He can read, he can read how many are dissatisfied with his choices.
Let him chalk it up to experience and learn from the mistake.
:yeah:
Post by: mfswallace on September 10, 2012, 08:41:42 PM
I hope he has learned from this but when one uses excuses to try and explain poor decisions(plural) it's hard to know.
I wouldn't want him to stop hunting bear with a bow just because of this thread as it looks like he can kill deer with good shots but take some steps to insure success before he shoots another for sure, maybe study the chest cavity of bears which is very different than deer or learn some tracking skills or take a few days to follow through with the life and death choices he makes. that isn't to much for killing something and ending it's life to never breath again and leave this world behind...9hrs for a life seems pretty small...... :twocents:
Post by: Wea300mag on September 10, 2012, 08:43:52 PM
Post by: sled on September 10, 2012, 08:45:01 PM
Post by: ICEMAN on September 10, 2012, 08:45:07 PM
did you read his explanation :dunno: :dunno:
I hope he has learned from this but when one uses excuses to try and explain poor decisions(plural) it's hard to know.
I wouldn't want him to stop hunting bear with a bow just because of this thread as it looks like he can kill deer with good shots but take some steps to insure success before he shoots another for sure, maybe study the chest cavity of bears which is very different than deer or learn some tracking skills or take a few days to follow through with the life and death choices he makes.......... :twocents:
Yes, I read his comments. I also checked out many of his other posts on the site and do not find all that much to worry about. I was 18 once too and am willing to give him a break. We need hunters to teach each other and not run them off.
Post by: grizzlyadams on September 10, 2012, 08:53:51 PM
Why don't some of you adults here give this 18 year old hunter a break. I am sure he has learned a whole lot from this, from the brow bashing that he has taken so far. Do we really have to keep pounding on him?
He is 18.
He screwed up.
He can read, he can read how many are dissatisfied with his choices.
Let him chalk it up to experience and learn from the mistake.
I hear ya Iceman. However it is hard to understand having to Learn such a thing. Notching your tag because you have wounded an animal and can't find it is a part of the ethics and morals that are deep rooted and a part of your nature. Shouldn't have to be learned and it shouldn't have to be said.
Just the very fact that he would post such a thing and think it's alright speaks volumes about the nature of the guy and his upbringing. No one had to tell me not to steel or rape or murder for me to know its wrong. Falls along the same lines evenn though its not the same.
Post by: mfswallace on September 10, 2012, 08:56:18 PM
Why don't some of you adults here give this 18 year old hunter a break. I am sure he has learned a whole lot from this, from the brow bashing that he has taken so far. Do we really have to keep pounding on him?
He is 18.
He screwed up.
He can read, he can read how many are dissatisfied with his choices.
Let him chalk it up to experience and learn from the mistake.
I hear ya Iceman. However it is hard to understand having to Learn such a thing. Notching your tag because you have wounded an animal and can't find it is a part of the ethics and morals that are deep rooted and a part of your nature. Shouldn't have to be learned and it shouldn't have to be said.
Just the very fact that he would post such a thing and think it's alright speaks volumes about the nature of the guy and his upbringing. No one had to tell me not to steel or rape or murder for me to know its wrong. Falls along the same lines evenn though its not the same.
:yeah:
said much better than I could do it, I'm done
Post by: ICEMAN on September 10, 2012, 08:58:10 PM
I choose to give him a break and the benefit of the doubt. I am sure he is in the process of learning a good lesson.
We can all make him a good ethical hunter, or we can chastise him to the point of turning him away.
Post by: Huntbear on September 10, 2012, 09:01:49 PM
did you read his explanation :dunno: :dunno:
I hope he has learned from this but when one uses excuses to try and explain poor decisions(plural) it's hard to know.
I wouldn't want him to stop hunting bear with a bow just because of this thread as it looks like he can kill deer with good shots but take some steps to insure success before he shoots another for sure, maybe study the chest cavity of bears which is very different than deer or learn some tracking skills or take a few days to follow through with the life and death choices he makes. that isn't to much for killing something and ending it's life to never breath again and leave this world behind...9hrs for a life seems pretty small...... :twocents:
You have just justified my gut feelings about you from the start... Could not agree more.. I am proud to call you a hunting partner and buddy! :tup:
Post by: Bob33 on September 10, 2012, 09:11:47 PM
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I guess I feel that ethics are also learned. We are not talking about evil here. Go read the young mans posts. They are surely polite and courteous and until this bear thread of his, he seems very appropriate and polite.I agree. It's not the mistakes we make that determine our character; it's how we react to them.
I choose to give him a break and the benefit of the doubt. I am sure he is in the process of learning a good lesson.
We can all make him a good ethical hunter, or we can chastise him to the point of turning him away.
Post by: sebek556 on September 10, 2012, 09:37:50 PM
Post by: fish vacuum on September 11, 2012, 01:06:31 AM
We have all lost game.
No, we haven't (knock on wood). But many of us would notch a tag if we lost one that likely died.
Post by: Deep Forks on September 11, 2012, 02:36:10 AM
This is *censored*, the first bear I could understand, the second bear was broadside, I hit him and he started rolling and we followed the blood and marked it with ribbon and he was running in circles around the damn creek. I looked 9hrs for the first bear with a few friends and looked everywhere for the bear, I had some random guys helping me and my buddy, his dad, and his friend. Someone said a guy tagged a chocolate bear right by where I shot mine and the bear dropped instantly. I think he tagged my bear...and no this is not a bogus post. Im done hunting bear. Ive always found my deer and made a good shot. These bear are tough sob's they plug up their holes to damn fast!I see where you looked for the 1st bear for 9 hrs. with the help of a buddy, his dad and his friend, but what happened with the 2nd bear, was it the one you think was tagged by another hunter? If not, it's close to that creek.IMHO
Post by: Wildsau on September 11, 2012, 08:02:23 AM
I agree, 9 hours is a wee bit short for a life. If you shoot it, know you hit it, and know you hit vitals, two days sounds better. Get premission to use a dog, if nothing else works. I am sure the Gamies will allow this, rather than have a wounded bear out there. The bear will find a place to hide and they are real good at doing just that. KEEP LOOKING!!!
Some of the largest bear, ever taken, were with a bow. If the shot is placed correctly, and the corect equipment is being used, the animal will go down. A bear will not lay down as fast as a deer, so one has to used a broadhed that will convince him to do so sooner. Giving up on bear hunting, with a bow, becasue you made the same error twice is not the bow's fault. Like I said, earlier, get better heads and spend more time at the range. The Bow-hunters, on this site, will be most happy to tell you which heads are best to use. My choice is Slick Tricks; $27.00 for three, and they make a 1 1/8" hole on both sides. Hard to miss a trail with that. Granted there are others, but you have to ask the question to get the answer. Do your research and, then, make your decision.
Most of all, don't be afraid to ask questions. These hunters here may do a lot of razzing, but if you ask them, they will help. "The only dumb question, is the one not asked."
My :twocents: worth.
Post by: h20hunter on September 11, 2012, 08:14:57 AM
I think what got me on the first post was the casual way it was stated. Almost flippant. Of course I am making my own assumptions based on a few lines posted on a forum but it seemed like no big deal and that is kind of what soured me. Now, I assume that since this person has been successfull in the past he takes this seriously and didn't mean it that way. Maybe others took it that way and that is why all the negative comments, including my own.
So, sorry to the young man who lost the bears. I would suggest being more cautious how you word things becuase the forum can be a harsh place if you project an indifferent opionion about something like lost game. Many hunters have killed plenty of bears with a bow and will continue to do so.
Keep your head up, don't poke any more holes in bears this year, and keep at it.
Post by: outfishu2 on September 11, 2012, 08:37:36 AM
After reading a lot of the comments I am torn. Yes he is a young man and needs support from hunter. I agree with a lot of Bob's comments.:yeah:
I think what got me on the first post was the casual way it was stated. Almost flippant. Of course I am making my own assumptions based on a few lines posted on a forum but it seemed like no big deal and that is kind of what soured me. Now, I assume that since this person has been successfull in the past he takes this seriously and didn't mean it that way. Maybe others took it that way and that is why all the negative comments, including my own.
So, sorry to the young man who lost the bears. I would suggest being more cautious how you word things becuase the forum can be a harsh place if you project an indifferent opionion about something like lost game. Many hunters have killed plenty of bears with a bow and will continue to do so.
Keep your head up, don't poke any more holes in bears this year, and keep at it.
Post by: bearhunter99 on September 11, 2012, 08:48:12 AM
After reading a lot of the comments I am torn. Yes he is a young man and needs support from hunter. I agree with a lot of Bob's comments.
I think what got me on the first post was the casual way it was stated. Almost flippant. Of course I am making my own assumptions based on a few lines posted on a forum but it seemed like no big deal and that is kind of what soured me. Now, I assume that since this person has been successfull in the past he takes this seriously and didn't mean it that way. Maybe others took it that way and that is why all the negative comments, including my own.
So, sorry to the young man who lost the bears. I would suggest being more cautious how you word things becuase the forum can be a harsh place if you project an indifferent opionion about something like lost game. Many hunters have killed plenty of bears with a bow and will continue to do so.
Keep your head up, don't poke any more holes in bears this year, and keep at it.
:yeah: That was my initial thought as well. The OP made it sound a little like he wasn't very respectful. If he had written that he looked for the bear for 9 hrs he might have gotten a little more slack. The OP sounded like he was sitting in a treestand and shot a bear that didn't drop and then went down the road and shot another one right after it or something.
Post by: grizzlyadams on September 11, 2012, 08:53:24 AM
Having that said....I do commend the guy for looking for 9 hours and I hope he takes this criticism to heart knowing that we are not trying to bash him and drive him away. I think we all just want him to understand that what happened isn't right. None of us would be any better in our own actions if we didn't also forgive and forget as we all should do.
So happy hunting and if both bears did actually get recovered like he said, then it all worked out right in the end.
Post by: hrd2fnd on September 11, 2012, 08:56:37 AM
Its the "I deserve it," attitude of the younger generation. I didn't get the first one but I DESERVE A BEAR, so I am going to shoot a second one. A selfish attitude and nature instead of a giving respectful one. I may be wrong but it sure looks that way to me.I dont believe that it is just the younger generation with this tude.
Post by: hrd2fnd on September 11, 2012, 08:57:25 AM
Post by: deerslyr on September 11, 2012, 09:04:48 AM
Why don't some of you adults here give this 18 year old hunter a break. I am sure he has learned a whole lot from this, from the brow bashing that he has taken so far. Do we really have to keep pounding on him?
He is 18.
He screwed up.
He can read, he can read how many are dissatisfied with his choices.
Let him chalk it up to experience and learn from the mistake.
I couldnt agree more.
Post by: hrd2fnd on September 11, 2012, 09:09:02 AM
:yeah:Why don't some of you adults here give this 18 year old hunter a break. I am sure he has learned a whole lot from this, from the brow bashing that he has taken so far. Do we really have to keep pounding on him?
He is 18.
He screwed up.
He can read, he can read how many are dissatisfied with his choices.
Let him chalk it up to experience and learn from the mistake.
I couldnt agree more.
Post by: ctwiggs1 on September 11, 2012, 09:32:33 AM
Austin - you had an experienced hunter offer to help you find it. Maybe link up with him and go search for that bear for a few more hours?
Another thing - Try to link up with some much more experienced hunters next season. Most people are willing to sacrifice time in August to go take someone on a bear hunt and help them out. That will help you gain the confidence and competence you're looking for.
Don't give up on finding your bear. Find it, skin it, and get a rug made. It'll be a great reminder for you.
This forum could be a great asset. Most of the guys on here are willing to help. Ask them for help!
Post by: quadrafire on September 11, 2012, 09:48:38 AM
Post by: Curly on September 11, 2012, 09:49:30 AM
Note to self: If I ever wound an animal. Don't post it on Hunt-Wa
:yeah:
Post by: bassquatch on September 11, 2012, 11:50:37 AM
I hope this thread is a heaping helping of humble pie for this young hunter because that is about all you can hope for at this point. :bash:
I'm sorry, but these animals do not exist for our amusement, we owe them a great great deal of respect and 9 friggin hours doesn't cut it! You should have tracked down that other hunter somehow, by any means you could think of and asked politely if the bear had more than one injury before assuming that's the one he tagged? OR you should still be looking for bear #1 and there should not have been a bear #2, not yet at least....I'm sorry, but man.... >:(
Post by: KFhunter on September 11, 2012, 04:58:44 PM
I don't see how this is going to help HW grow, people scared to post up kills or dissappointments. I'd rather people learn from their mistakes and get some decent guidance from HW then be subjected to a public flogging or crucified.
I think if some people closeby volunteered (insisted) to help find those two bears he'd have gotten the point, but it's easier to sit on your asses and type crap on the net isn't it?
I sure as hell won't be posting my critters on here, I think a lot of others refrain from doing so as well.
Post by: runamuk on September 11, 2012, 05:06:56 PM
You ethics nazi's sure get out of hand pretty quick, I'm with quadrafire.
I don't see how this is going to help HW grow, people scared to post up kills or dissappointments. I'd rather people learn from their mistakes and get some decent guidance from HW then be subjected to a public flogging or crucified.
I think if some people closeby volunteered (insisted) to help find those two bears he'd have gotten the point, but it's easier to sit on your asses and type crap on the net isn't it?
I sure as hell won't be posting my critters on here, I think a lot of others refrain from doing so as well.
I did volunteer to help but he never came back online after asking for help from someone with a dog....I knew we couldn't use a dog but I gladly would have gone and searched...hell if he thinks there is a wounded bear out there now I have a damn tag I would go and burn my tag to put the animal down....hate to think of waste or an animal suffering needlessly....so there were offers and it sounds like he discovered some help from other strangers, common around here actually....
if he is still reading and thinks there is a chance that one of the bears may still be walking around all he has to do is holler.....
Post by: rtspring on September 11, 2012, 05:14:30 PM
Post by: bassquatch on September 11, 2012, 05:33:27 PM
Sounds like a rookie mistake.
Austin - you had an experienced hunter offer to help you find it. Maybe link up with him and go search for that bear for a few more hours?
Another thing - Try to link up with some much more experienced hunters next season. Most people are willing to sacrifice time in August to go take someone on a bear hunt and help them out. That will help you gain the confidence and competence you're looking for.
Don't give up on finding your bear. Find it, skin it, and get a rug made. It'll be a great reminder for you.
This forum could be a great asset. Most of the guys on here are willing to help. Ask them for help!
:yeah: :yeah: :yeah:
Post by: bassquatch on September 11, 2012, 05:41:03 PM
You ethics nazi's sure get out of hand pretty quick, I'm with quadrafire.
I don't see how this is going to help HW grow, people scared to post up kills or dissappointments. I'd rather people learn from their mistakes and get some decent guidance from HW then be subjected to a public flogging or crucified.
I think if some people closeby volunteered (insisted) to help find those two bears he'd have gotten the point, but it's easier to sit on your asses and type crap on the net isn't it?
I sure as hell won't be posting my critters on here, I think a lot of others refrain from doing so as well.
When you find a website where everyone has the exact same opinion it will be called "www.me.com"...this post is 6 pages of different opinions, welcome to the world wide web. Some folks DID offer help immediately, some are patting him on the back saying better luck next time and some are a bit peeved at the tone of the OP and the lack of follow up info. Hell if I was anywhere near this guy I would have offered to help! I still wouldn't have been to pleased we were looking for TWO wounded animals though... :twocents:
Post by: furiouzgeorge on September 11, 2012, 05:47:09 PM
Post by: blacktailcody on September 11, 2012, 05:50:05 PM
Post by: sled on September 11, 2012, 07:32:33 PM
:yeah: :yeah: Shooting the second so quick is a :bdid:
[/quote] :yeah:
Post by: KFhunter on September 11, 2012, 07:45:01 PM
I got hung up on the nazi police flogging this dude :sry:
like I said, he'll just not come back to H-W but that doesn't mean he isn't still sticking bears. I'd rather him be on H-W with his problems then just continuing on and us (H-W) be none the wiser
I wonder how many others have been drivin off the forum who could have used some help?
Post by: Wildsau on September 12, 2012, 06:57:50 AM
I only have two pieces of advice for this young "hunter"; 1) go back to the range and practice until next year; and, 2) while your arms are resting from shooting so much, study the anatomy of the animal(s) you are hunting so you know, EXACTLY, where to place the arrow. Hunting is an art, not a sport; contrary to popular belief. You have to, totally, prepare before you go on a hunt; and that includes target practice and anatomy study.
If our young "hunter" has what it takes to be a HUNTER, he will take the positive advice, offered on this thread, put it to good use, ignore the negative comments, and come back at the bear again, next year. I would look forward to seeing him post pics of a nice bear here, NEXT YEAR. :twocents:
Post by: NBhunter on September 12, 2012, 11:12:20 PM
Well its official, bears are not ment to be shot by a bow. My first bear I shot in the lung at 15yards in a treestand waiting for a buck, 2nd bear we were going down the road and passed a chocolate bear and I jumped out 25 yards down the road and got closer and took a 35 yard shot and I hit his lungs and he went around in circles and we couldn't find him because we couldn't tell where he was going. Now we are waiting for the birds...so if you have a blood hound and live near cle elum let me know!
I have been reading this forum for over a year and this is the first time I felt a need to post. :yike: I am a archery hunter and want to say that your comment, "bears are not ment to be shot by a bow" is completely idiotic. I have shot quite a few bear with my bow successfully and took the time to make sure and find them if they didn't drop right in site.
There were quite a few fellow hunters that offered assistance and it does not seam as if you took the offers up. This would have been a great time to learn the art of tracking animals. I take it that you lack that skill since you stated the bear spun in circles and could tell where he was going. Did you even look for him? People offer a skill like that, accept it and learn it. Just my suggestion.
I have a question. You stated, "2nd bear we were going down the road and passed a chocolate bear and I jumped out 25 yards down the road". Where you road hunting?
You stated, "so if you have a blood hound and live near cle elum let me know!" Know your laws exactly to a T when it comes to using dogs.
I am not trying to be the "Nazi Police" but if you ask for assistance and it is offered, take it! By the way... congrats on the deer.
Everyone else... Hello from North Bend! :hello:
Post by: deleted BGS on September 12, 2012, 11:25:47 PM
Post by: mfswallace on September 14, 2012, 07:51:34 AM
why would you tag a bear you didnt find :chuckle: :dunno: :yike: and 9 hours is plenty to look for an animal. thats a full dayYou've said that why :stirthepot:
Let this thread be a great learning lesson for those who just like to shoot things and not really "hunt"
2 bears shot + only 9hrs of "looking"(hey is that it, nope, ok let's go) = Unethical and Lazy!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Heetor on September 14, 2012, 09:52:07 AM
You guys that offered to take time off from your busy schedules to get out in the bush and search for an animal, other guys trying to be respectful but help someone to learn a lesson about sticking with it, and other guys letting readers know how real hunters feel about how unacceptable it is to go around plunking animals and hoping you find it.
In the south a lot of guys have lousy attitudes towards finding animals when the blood trail runs out, and figure there are enough deer running around that they can just shoot another one. I actually had people laughing at me when it happened to me, and I wouldn't let it go.
I screwed up on my first bow kill and hit the deer too far back, two days and nights crawling around the bush after the blood trail ran out in 100 degree heat, missing the rest of my hunting trip to search, putting myself in serious hock to plunk down $400 to hire a blood hound service, making my wife so mad that the sofa was my best friend for a couple of days, but I found the deer, (not 400 yards from where I shot it it ended up, walked by him 100 times in those two days). Heck I got a taste for it again for about an hour when I thought I messed up a shot earlier this week, ended up I didn't when we found the elk 100 yards from where I shot it, but at least I felt like throwing up when I thought it was a bad shot.
It is damn nice to see guys so passionate about doing the right thing, this is my second season hunting up here after moving to Washington from the south, and the hunters here are a breed apart. If we had more guys doing the right thing, hunting wouldn't have to struggle with as much bad PR.
One thought I would like to add to this the missed learning experience. I made the bad shot, and went through the hell for it like many other guys have had to, but going through the hell was what taught me that I needed to get better at it. Not wanting to risk that experience again is what makes you let down on the bow string when you are not sure, instead of doing something stupid.
I think young hunters can hear the message, but you need to go through the hell to have it stick, so maybe the pain of having so many guys let him know how they feel about his decision is painful enough to help him learn the lesson anyway.
Nice to know if I ever find myself in a similar situation, there are guys who wouldn't know me from Adam that would be willing to help out! I think that as all that needs to be said about who hunters really are, would a tree huggers come running over a lost granola bar?
Sorry had to throw that one in :)
Post by: furiouzgeorge on September 16, 2012, 08:07:20 AM
Guys this is a really great thread, I took a look because the plural "bears" in the title caught my eye. I know about 10 guys I wish would read this.
You guys that offered to take time off from your busy schedules to get out in the bush and search for an animal, other guys trying to be respectful but help someone to learn a lesson about sticking with it, and other guys letting readers know how real hunters feel about how unacceptable it is to go around plunking animals and hoping you find it.
In the south a lot of guys have lousy attitudes towards finding animals when the blood trail runs out, and figure there are enough deer running around that they can just shoot another one. I actually had people laughing at me when it happened to me, and I wouldn't let it go.
I screwed up on my first bow kill and hit the deer too far back, two days and nights crawling around the bush after the blood trail ran out in 100 degree heat, missing the rest of my hunting trip to search, putting myself in serious hock to plunk down $400 to hire a blood hound service, making my wife so mad that the sofa was my best friend for a couple of days, but I found the deer, (not 400 yards from where I shot it it ended up, walked by him 100 times in those two days). Heck I got a taste for it again for about an hour when I thought I messed up a shot earlier this week, ended up I didn't when we found the elk 100 yards from where I shot it, but at least I felt like throwing up when I thought it was a bad shot.
It is damn nice to see guys so passionate about doing the right thing, this is my second season hunting up here after moving to Washington from the south, and the hunters here are a breed apart. If we had more guys doing the right thing, hunting wouldn't have to struggle with as much bad PR.
One thought I would like to add to this the missed learning experience. I made the bad shot, and went through the hell for it like many other guys have had to, but going through the hell was what taught me that I needed to get better at it. Not wanting to risk that experience again is what makes you let down on the bow string when you are not sure, instead of doing something stupid.
I think young hunters can hear the message, but you need to go through the hell to have it stick, so maybe the pain of having so many guys let him know how they feel about his decision is painful enough to help him learn the lesson anyway.
Nice to know if I ever find myself in a similar situation, there are guys who wouldn't know me from Adam that would be willing to help out! I think that as all that needs to be said about who hunters really are, would a tree huggers come running over a lost granola bar?
Sorry had to throw that one in :)
:yeah:
Post by: billdo5 on October 28, 2012, 05:23:19 PM
Post by: Westsidebowhunter on November 03, 2012, 06:40:05 PM
Post by: lokidog on November 03, 2012, 09:05:52 PM
Guys this is a really great thread, I took a look because the plural "bears" in the title caught my eye. I know about 10 guys I wish would read this.
You guys that offered to take time off from your busy schedules to get out in the bush and search for an animal, other guys trying to be respectful but help someone to learn a lesson about sticking with it, and other guys letting readers know how real hunters feel about how unacceptable it is to go around plunking animals and hoping you find it.
In the south a lot of guys have lousy attitudes towards finding animals when the blood trail runs out, and figure there are enough deer running around that they can just shoot another one. I actually had people laughing at me when it happened to me, and I wouldn't let it go.
I screwed up on my first bow kill and hit the deer too far back, two days and nights crawling around the bush after the blood trail ran out in 100 degree heat, missing the rest of my hunting trip to search, putting myself in serious hock to plunk down $400 to hire a blood hound service, making my wife so mad that the sofa was my best friend for a couple of days, but I found the deer, (not 400 yards from where I shot it it ended up, walked by him 100 times in those two days). Heck I got a taste for it again for about an hour when I thought I messed up a shot earlier this week, ended up I didn't when we found the elk 100 yards from where I shot it, but at least I felt like throwing up when I thought it was a bad shot.
It is damn nice to see guys so passionate about doing the right thing, this is my second season hunting up here after moving to Washington from the south, and the hunters here are a breed apart. If we had more guys doing the right thing, hunting wouldn't have to struggle with as much bad PR.
One thought I would like to add to this the missed learning experience. I made the bad shot, and went through the hell for it like many other guys have had to, but going through the hell was what taught me that I needed to get better at it. Not wanting to risk that experience again is what makes you let down on the bow string when you are not sure, instead of doing something stupid.
I think young hunters can hear the message, but you need to go through the hell to have it stick, so maybe the pain of having so many guys let him know how they feel about his decision is painful enough to help him learn the lesson anyway.
Nice to know if I ever find myself in a similar situation, there are guys who wouldn't know me from Adam that would be willing to help out! I think that as all that needs to be said about who hunters really are, would a tree huggers come running over a lost granola bar?
Sorry had to throw that one in :)
Great post Heetor!
Post by: luvtohnt on November 03, 2012, 09:47:56 PM
Brandon
Post by: klikboom on November 03, 2012, 10:03:14 PM
Havent read most the posts but i feel the pain I shot one 2 years ago from a tree stand hunting deer and it was a little far back but looked to paralyze his back half...long story short great blood trail for literally half a mile but tappered out and never found him after one night and the whole next day until 3 and never found him...for now ill stick with neck and head shots with the rifle seems to stop them in there tracks and none of this tracking hard blood trails.
The only animal I've lost was a neck shot (.308) black bear so it happens with those shots also.