Post by: WSU on September 20, 2012, 02:50:23 PM
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Post by: Hunterman on September 20, 2012, 08:09:01 PM
Too much corn will kill a deer. They're not smart enough to stop eating it.
Don't seem to hurt the deer in the mid-west.. So that statement is nul and void..
Any good mix of grain, and oats with sweets in it will work well.. Hopefully you've been feeding them all year..
Hunterman(Tony)
Post by: WSU on September 21, 2012, 08:28:13 AM
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Post by: KopperBuck on September 21, 2012, 10:43:12 AM
Too much corn will kill a deer. They're not smart enough to stop eating it.
Don't seem to hurt the deer in the mid-west.. So that statement is nul and void..
Any good mix of grain, and oats with sweets in it will work well.. Hopefully you've been feeding them all year..
Hunterman(Tony)
No. Actually there's quite a bit of validity to his statement. Scientifically speaking anyways.
Post by: BULLBLASTER on September 21, 2012, 11:51:53 AM
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Post by: fair-chase on September 21, 2012, 12:01:22 PM
Too much corn will kill a deer. They're not smart enough to stop eating it.
Don't seem to hurt the deer in the mid-west.. So that statement is nul and void..
Any good mix of grain, and oats with sweets in it will work well.. Hopefully you've been feeding them all year..
Hunterman(Tony)
No. Actually there's quite a bit of validity to his statement. Scientifically speaking anyways.
This is interesting. Curious to know how an excess of corn would kill a deer. Whats the reasoning here? Lack of nutrition, or gaseous bloating like cows with too much alfalfa??? Would like to hear some evidence or conclusions one way or the other.
Post by: blacktailcody on September 21, 2012, 12:01:49 PM
Post by: Blacktail Sniper on September 21, 2012, 12:09:15 PM
http://www.farmanddairy.com/columns/feeding-corn-to-deer-could-be-death-sentence/14324.html (http://www.farmanddairy.com/columns/feeding-corn-to-deer-could-be-death-sentence/14324.html)
http://www.neighborhoodlink.com/Timberwood_Park/topics/179314 (http://www.neighborhoodlink.com/Timberwood_Park/topics/179314)
Post by: KopperBuck on September 21, 2012, 12:13:45 PM
Too much corn will kill a deer. They're not smart enough to stop eating it.
Don't seem to hurt the deer in the mid-west.. So that statement is nul and void..
Any good mix of grain, and oats with sweets in it will work well.. Hopefully you've been feeding them all year..
Hunterman(Tony)
No. Actually there's quite a bit of validity to his statement. Scientifically speaking anyways.
This is interesting. Curious to know how an excess of corn would kill a deer. Whats the reasoning here? Lack of nutrition, or gaseous bloating like cows with too much alfalfa??? Would like to hear some evidence or conclusions one way or the other.
If you get a good set of corn starting in Aug and religiously keep it baited with no rest into Oct, that deer will eventually die of lead poisoning :chuckle:
Post by: Blacktail Sniper on September 21, 2012, 12:15:33 PM
Too much corn will kill a deer. They're not smart enough to stop eating it.
Don't seem to hurt the deer in the mid-west.. So that statement is nul and void..
Any good mix of grain, and oats with sweets in it will work well.. Hopefully you've been feeding them all year..
Hunterman(Tony)
No. Actually there's quite a bit of validity to his statement. Scientifically speaking anyways.
This is interesting. Curious to know how an excess of corn would kill a deer. Whats the reasoning here? Lack of nutrition, or gaseous bloating like cows with too much alfalfa??? Would like to hear some evidence or conclusions one way or the other.
If you get a good set of corn starting in Aug and religiously keep it baited with no rest into Oct, that deer will eventually die of lead poisoning :chuckle:
:tup:
Post by: KopperBuck on September 21, 2012, 12:16:20 PM
Here are a copule links about deer & corn, interesting reading anyway:
http://www.farmanddairy.com/columns/feeding-corn-to-deer-could-be-death-sentence/14324.html (http://www.farmanddairy.com/columns/feeding-corn-to-deer-could-be-death-sentence/14324.html)
http://www.neighborhoodlink.com/Timberwood_Park/topics/179314 (http://www.neighborhoodlink.com/Timberwood_Park/topics/179314)
Whoa.... someone had to bring facts and data into this? I was just being a smartass.
I think a straight diet of any food source would cause a problem. Just like I can't eat bacon alone everyday, as much as I would like to. Deer eat corn all over, and do well off of it. But it's not their only food source.
Post by: Blacktail Sniper on September 21, 2012, 12:22:31 PM
Here are a copule links about deer & corn, interesting reading anyway:
http://www.farmanddairy.com/columns/feeding-corn-to-deer-could-be-death-sentence/14324.html (http://www.farmanddairy.com/columns/feeding-corn-to-deer-could-be-death-sentence/14324.html)
http://www.neighborhoodlink.com/Timberwood_Park/topics/179314 (http://www.neighborhoodlink.com/Timberwood_Park/topics/179314)
Whoa.... someone had to bring facts and data into this? I was just being a smartass.
I think a straight diet of any food source would cause a problem. Just like I can't eat bacon alone everyday, as much as I would like to. Deer eat corn all over, and do well off of it. But it's not their only food source.
:sry: ...MY BAD! :spank_butt:
Post by: jackmaster on September 21, 2012, 12:27:12 PM
Post by: fair-chase on September 21, 2012, 12:30:03 PM
Too much corn will kill a deer. They're not smart enough to stop eating it.
Don't seem to hurt the deer in the mid-west.. So that statement is nul and void..
Any good mix of grain, and oats with sweets in it will work well.. Hopefully you've been feeding them all year..
Hunterman(Tony)
No. Actually there's quite a bit of validity to his statement. Scientifically speaking anyways.
This is interesting. Curious to know how an excess of corn would kill a deer. Whats the reasoning here? Lack of nutrition, or gaseous bloating like cows with too much alfalfa??? Would like to hear some evidence or conclusions one way or the other.
If you get a good set of corn starting in Aug and religiously keep it baited with no rest into Oct, that deer will eventually die of lead poisoning :chuckle:
:chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: KopperBuck on September 21, 2012, 12:36:57 PM
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Post by: jackmaster on September 26, 2012, 07:00:21 AM
Post by: runamuk on September 26, 2012, 07:25:25 AM
heres a question, ok i grow biologic and the blacktail dont seem to really care about it and neither do the elk, so what can i grow that will come back every year that both blacktail and elk will chow on?
roses seem popular with the towny deer and elk :chuckle: :chuckle: sorry had to ......
clover although most are annuals it often reseeds itself once established, shoot for forbs and grains because deer aren't really grazers like elk so they dont tend to eat grasses. :twocents: I found trefoil growing in the forest one year which sort of surprised me its usually relegated to cow pastures.
Post by: DBHAWTHORNE on September 26, 2012, 09:04:39 PM
I use sweet cob and mineral blocks. In the winter I set out a few bales of alfalfa. Just curious though, do you think its bad for the deer in the middle of winter with not alot of other food around to be eating 100% alfalfa bales? Do you think alfala/grass would be better or does it matter? I feed them 100% alfalfa and they seem fine.
White-tailed deer are primarily browsers (not grazers) and eat very little grass. When you see deer eating in grassy fields they are usually not eating the grass but rather broadleaf weeds (forbs). Grasses are generally low in crude protein and digestibility compared to what deer usually have in their diet.
While cow and deer are both ruminants deer aren't grazers because their digestive system works much faster than cows and would not allow them to benefit much from grasses. However, there are some grasses like ryegrass that are faster to digest and will be used by deer along with other small grains.
For hunting purposes it is highly unlikely that any deer will rely on your alfalfa heavily enough to cause any harm. In addition you are probably providing the alfalfa well before the dead of winter when it could have harmful effects. What is bad for the deer is when well intentioned people try to suddenly feed them alfalfa or corn during the dead of winter after a big storm. By this time the deers digestive system has adjusted to eating low quality browse and most will usually survive these situations just fine without supplemental feeding. In fact, suddenly introduced supplemental feeding can literally result in the deer starving to death despite the fact that its eating high quality food.
Another bad thing would be if someone fed them heavily most of the year and then suddenly cut them off in the middle of winter.
If you feed the deer to no later than 15 December it will not cause issues.
Post by: DBHAWTHORNE on September 26, 2012, 09:14:14 PM
Here are a copule links about deer & corn, interesting reading anyway:
http://www.farmanddairy.com/columns/feeding-corn-to-deer-could-be-death-sentence/14324.html (http://www.farmanddairy.com/columns/feeding-corn-to-deer-could-be-death-sentence/14324.html)
http://www.neighborhoodlink.com/Timberwood_Park/topics/179314 (http://www.neighborhoodlink.com/Timberwood_Park/topics/179314)
There is some science in this but their conclusions are very flawed. It's "emergency" feeding of deer in a bad winter that results in the largest majority of deaths from feeding. In regards to the "spread" of disease... it shows the researchers ignorance in the understanding of deer behavior. Deer are very social animals and are continually touching noses, sniffing butts etc. with other deer in their home range. If disease exists it's going to spread regardless of feeding.
The fact that I can continually watch bucks grow up over the years has proven to me that deaths resulting from feeding during hunting season has little impact.
Post by: jackmaster on September 27, 2012, 07:01:21 AM
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Post by: JimmyHoffa on October 01, 2012, 12:07:46 PM
Post by: huntnnw on October 01, 2012, 09:39:51 PM
You won't get a deer to eat enough corn and anything else to kill them. They will always eat natural browse as well. I have read that corn to deer is like people eating candy. No real nutritional value but won't kill you in moderation. If you kept a deer in a pen and all it could ever eat is corn that would he bad. Even at baits the deer eat plenty of natural browse and don't sat the bait exclusively. Or they would be there all the time.
:yeah: I have never seen or heard of a deer around here dying from eating to much corn..they dont just sit and eat it till its gone..most deer come in for 10 min max..sometimes its only for a bite and gone..sweet mix works the best right now, but as it gets colder alfalfa works good
Post by: oldleclercrd on October 01, 2012, 09:50:02 PM
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Post by: buck man on October 10, 2012, 10:11:19 PM
Protein content is similar to soy beans.