Post by: Seeanyelk on September 22, 2012, 09:25:41 PM
Post by: wannabhntr on September 22, 2012, 09:40:50 PM
Post by: tbrady on September 22, 2012, 09:49:04 PM
Post by: mebco09 on September 22, 2012, 09:49:39 PM
I have heard both bugles and cow calls at night (from real elk).
Maybe we should just wish you better luck next year?? :dunno:
Post by: madmack76 on September 22, 2012, 09:51:28 PM
Post by: gasman on September 22, 2012, 09:55:06 PM
Just because it don't work for you, don't mean it don't work for others.
I my self have sat around a camp fire and have had elk bugle and even brought in a bull to with in 30 yards of our camp fire. When he bugeled from the middle of the road and could not see him in the dark I jumped in the back of my truck :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
I have sat next to my jeep and bugled for elk and have gotten many responses. Why go down that canyon if the elk are not talking. What says they will answer you any different from the bottom of the canyon then from the top.
If they dont answer or you cant hear them is not going to make a difference from top or bottom :dunno:
Now I do recall on a few occasions bugling from open areas with only a few trees for cover or a bush to help with concealment.
Post by: hughjorgan on September 22, 2012, 10:00:53 PM
Post by: CamoDup on September 22, 2012, 10:13:15 PM
I know we all enjoy the many elk calls that are available, but after recent observations in the field I think a few of us need to realize when and how to use them. We observed three different hunters in our area this year that bugled while standing out in a wide open meadow during the day. Or cow called and bugled after shooting light was long gone or from the road directly next to a hunting camp... As a result the elk got a good education and we seldom if ever heard a bull bugle during the day. Which was great for those of us that drew a bull tag this year. Do us all a favor and get a little wiser this off season or leave the calls at home next year.
:cryriver: Shut up.
Post by: wannabhntr on September 22, 2012, 10:40:41 PM
Post by: runamuk on September 22, 2012, 10:46:53 PM
Post by: Button Nubbs on September 22, 2012, 10:56:47 PM
Post by: lokidog on September 23, 2012, 09:53:53 AM
but I like the amusing tales of guys calling in a rutted up elk hunter :dunno: :chuckle: :chuckle:
:chuckle:
I did that one year down near Coos Bay on Weyerhauser land in the 80's during early archery. I had been up since pre-dawn calling off landings and other high points. I would usually give about ten minutes after stopping to start calling. While waiting at one spot, I heard a bugle way down below me, so I called back. "He" bugled again and I could tell right away it was another hunter as he repeated the exact same call. I decided to have some fun, yeah maybe I was a bit of a jerk, but jeese, learn to call better.... I bugled and grunted each time they called. After a while, I could see them (and hear them) "sneaking" up through the trees. They could not see my truck when I stood up, waved, and drove away.
BTW, Karma rewarded me with a bear the next day and a nice fat cow a week after that. :tup:
To the OP, I agree, people do way too much calling and not enough listening, but I have had a fair amount of responses in the middle of the day as others have also stated. It does suck them calling near your camp though.
Post by: boneaddict on September 23, 2012, 10:04:12 AM
nerves of steel help too in these days of increased cats and wolves
Post by: deerhunter_98520 on September 23, 2012, 10:35:44 AM
I also call elk at night....got 6 bulls fired up this year doing that...had one charge at me standing on the road next to my truck this year....that was exciting :tup:
Post by: xXLojackXx on September 23, 2012, 11:05:55 AM
I think you mean, "Do us all a favor." Maybe it was someone that doesn't know much/anything about elk hunting. Maybe they are new hunters. Maybe they are youngsters who decided to enjoy this great sport without any mentoring. Perhaps it was a Hunt Wa member that requested info on how to hunt elk and was shot down by other members not willing to help. Possible?
:yeah: Maybe next year, go talk to them and share your advice. its called a learning curve, and some people catch on sooner than others.
Post by: deerhunter_98520 on September 23, 2012, 11:44:54 AM
Post by: Zardoz on September 23, 2012, 12:42:44 PM
I don't know about that particular cd, but I too spent many hours practicing in my truck to get it right. I loved calling in other hunters. It's not a difficult skill to learn, but you can't do it on your fist couple of tries on your first day hunting. Like any other hunting skill, practice and education is the key.
Post by: blindpig on September 23, 2012, 12:59:35 PM
Post by: boneaddict on September 23, 2012, 02:02:58 PM
Post by: BLUEBULLS on September 23, 2012, 02:07:32 PM
some people are learning and then there are some real idiots out there, like the guys that moved in on a bull we were calling this year... but that's a story for another time.
Post by: deerhunter_98520 on September 23, 2012, 04:06:21 PM
THey were bugling strong in the Wenas last night. :chuckle: My neighbor and I were talking. He needs more practice. :chuckle:
I wish i had some neighbors i could call in :chuckle: they just look at me funny and then my 2 yr old starts bugling...hes ahead of the game...hes better than most ive heard in the woods :chuckle:t
http://static.photobucket.com/player.swf?file=http://vid799.photobucket.com/albums/yy275/deerhunter_98520/VIDEO0005.mp4 (http://static.photobucket.com/player.swf?file=http://vid799.photobucket.com/albums/yy275/deerhunter_98520/VIDEO0005.mp4)
Post by: runamuk on September 23, 2012, 04:26:43 PM
THey were bugling strong in the Wenas last night. :chuckle: My neighbor and I were talking. He needs more practice. :chuckle:
I wish i had some neighbors i could call in :chuckle: they just look at me funny and then my 2 yr old starts bugling...hes ahead of the game...hes better than most ive heard in the woods :chuckle:t
http://static.photobucket.com/player.swf?file=http://vid799.photobucket.com/albums/yy275/deerhunter_98520/VIDEO0005.mp4 (http://static.photobucket.com/player.swf?file=http://vid799.photobucket.com/albums/yy275/deerhunter_98520/VIDEO0005.mp4)
:tup: he will have that down by the time he is ready to hunt the big bulls
Post by: deerhunter_98520 on September 23, 2012, 05:17:26 PM
Post by: Greenhorn on September 23, 2012, 06:30:26 PM
Post by: akirkland on September 23, 2012, 06:58:43 PM
Post by: PlateauNDN on September 23, 2012, 07:16:22 PM
Hes just about ready now...he knows the difference between a buck/bull and a cow/doe and whenever he sees trees he yells deer
Deer, if you start applying for him now he should have enough points to draw in his lateens early twenties. By then I think he should have a couple of titles under his belt for elk calling!
:chuckle:
Glad to see I'm not the only one that likes to mess around with other hunters!LOL
Post by: deerhunter_98520 on September 23, 2012, 07:22:04 PM
Hes just about ready now...he knows the difference between a buck/bull and a cow/doe and whenever he sees trees he yells deer
Deer, if you start applying for him now he should have enough points to draw in his lateens early twenties. By then I think he should have a couple of titles under his belt for elk calling!
:chuckle:
Glad to see I'm not the only one that likes to mess around with other hunters!LOL
If i could i would lol....im startin to build pts for my oldest next year...he really wants a moose so im puttin him in for the youth tags
Post by: MuleySniper on September 23, 2012, 07:27:31 PM
MS
Post by: dscubame on September 23, 2012, 07:41:56 PM
I know we all enjoy the many elk calls that are available, but after recent observations in the field I think a few of us need to realize when and how to use them. We observed three different hunters in our area this year that bugled while standing out in a wide open meadow during the day. Or cow called and bugled after shooting light was long gone or from the road directly next to a hunting camp... As a result the elk got a good education and we seldom if ever heard a bull bugle during the day. Which was great for those of us that drew a bull tag this year. Do us all a favor and get a little wiser this off season or leave the calls at home next year.
:dunno: :dunno:
Post by: furbearer365 on September 23, 2012, 08:19:15 PM
Post by: MuleySniper on September 23, 2012, 08:22:27 PM
MS
Post by: deerhunter_98520 on September 23, 2012, 09:31:05 PM
So :dunno:
Post by: MuleySniper on September 23, 2012, 09:33:53 PM
I had several bulls bugling all day in the heat
So :dunno:
Sweet. Chances are we weren't in the same area or hunting the same day... Maybe I didn't hear them in the 25 mph wind though...
MS
Post by: PA BEN on September 24, 2012, 05:07:11 AM
Some of the worst bugles I’ve heard have come from elk. I hunted w/a guy and every time he heard a bad bugle he said it’s a hunter. I said let’s sit and see, I said we will look stubbed if it is a bull. Sure enough 2 5x5’s walked by. Most elk will chop a bugle off at the end and most hunters will peter them off at the end. I though a range cow mooed up in the wilderness after I called but it was a bull, he just mooed for a while then started to bugled. I’ve pulled over and called got an answer and worked that bull for 2 hrs. It got late so we moved out. Came in below him that afternoon and called him in 6x6 N.E. corner. While hunting in the N.E. corner again, I sat down for lunch about 11:30am, it was 80 degrees out. I sat and bugled, In about 30 min.s a nice 6x6 came in quite. No shot.but I like the amusing tales of guys calling in a rutted up elk hunter :dunno: :chuckle: :chuckle:
:chuckle:
I did that one year down near Coos Bay on Weyerhauser land in the 80's during early archery. I had been up since pre-dawn calling off landings and other high points. I would usually give about ten minutes after stopping to start calling. While waiting at one spot, I heard a bugle way down below me, so I called back. "He" bugled again and I could tell right away it was another hunter as he repeated the exact same call. I decided to have some fun, yeah maybe I was a bit of a jerk, but jeese, learn to call better.... I bugled and grunted each time they called. After a while, I could see them (and hear them) "sneaking" up through the trees. They could not see my truck when I stood up, waved, and drove away.
BTW, Karma rewarded me with a bear the next day and a nice fat cow a week after that. :tup:
To the OP, I agree, people do way too much calling and not enough listening, but I have had a fair amount of responses in the middle of the day as others have also stated. It does suck them calling near your camp though.
Post by: lokidog on September 24, 2012, 07:15:29 AM
Post by: christopheri on September 24, 2012, 10:00:51 AM
It took me 5 years to figure it out...i was told to get elk nuts cds...after listening to that pretty much everytime i was in my car from last dec till opening day this year...i went from not seeing an elk last year and was windering what i was doing.... to getting in elk everyday and calling 6 bulls this year....makes a HUGE difference to know what calls to make and when and how much...i would suggest any new elk hunter to pick up these cds if they plan on doing any calling
Thats what I did. I had the same results. I saw more elk this year thaen ever before. Still wasnt able to get a shot but I am getting better. :tup:
Post by: pianoman9701 on September 24, 2012, 10:37:59 AM
Post by: idahohuntr on September 24, 2012, 12:54:33 PM
I know we all enjoy the many elk calls that are available, but after recent observations in the field I think a few of us need to realize when and how to use them. We observed three different hunters in our area this year that bugled while standing out in a wide open meadow during the day. Or cow called and bugled after shooting light was long gone or from the road directly next to a hunting camp... As a result the elk got a good education and we seldom if ever heard a bull bugle during the day. Which was great for those of us that drew a bull tag this year. Do us all a favor and get a little wiser this off season or leave the calls at home next year.
What a cry baby...give me a break. Sounds like someone is trying to make lame excuses for why they didn't tag out. If you and your buddies spent more time hunting instead of crying about other hunters calling techniques maybe you would get something. I also think you need an education about elk calling; calling at night is a very effective technique and in very pressured areas may be one of the best or only ways to locate bulls. I have had bulls respond and come in under a whole bunch of scenarios that don't fit in with what you and your crybaby friends watch on the Outdoor Channel. Do us all a favor and stay home next time.
Post by: HUNT-HARD on September 24, 2012, 02:06:10 PM
Post by: pianoman9701 on September 24, 2012, 03:08:32 PM
I know we all enjoy the many elk calls that are available, but after recent observations in the field I think a few of us need to realize when and how to use them. We observed three different hunters in our area this year that bugled while standing out in a wide open meadow during the day. Or cow called and bugled after shooting light was long gone or from the road directly next to a hunting camp... As a result the elk got a good education and we seldom if ever heard a bull bugle during the day. Which was great for those of us that drew a bull tag this year. Do us all a favor and get a little wiser this off season or leave the calls at home next year.
What a cry baby...give me a break. Sounds like someone is trying to make lame excuses for why they didn't tag out. If you and your buddies spent more time hunting instead of crying about other hunters calling techniques maybe you would get something. I also think you need an education about elk calling; calling at night is a very effective technique and in very pressured areas may be one of the best or only ways to locate bulls. I have had bulls respond and come in under a whole bunch of scenarios that don't fit in with what you and your crybaby friends watch on the Outdoor Channel. Do us all a favor and stay home next time.
Maybe a little harsh, but some valid points are made.
Post by: rtspring on September 24, 2012, 03:10:25 PM
Just stay home..
RTSPRING
Post by: BLUEBULLS on September 24, 2012, 03:33:15 PM
I know we all enjoy the many elk calls that are available, but after recent observations in the field I think a few of us need to realize when and how to use them. We observed three different hunters in our area this year that bugled while standing out in a wide open meadow during the day. Or cow called and bugled after shooting light was long gone or from the road directly next to a hunting camp... As a result the elk got a good education and we seldom if ever heard a bull bugle during the day. Which was great for those of us that drew a bull tag this year. Do us all a favor and get a little wiser this off season or leave the calls at home next year.
What a cry baby...give me a break. Sounds like someone is trying to make lame excuses for why they didn't tag out. If you and your buddies spent more time hunting instead of crying about other hunters calling techniques maybe you would get something. I also think you need an education about elk calling; calling at night is a very effective technique and in very pressured areas may be one of the best or only ways to locate bulls. I have had bulls respond and come in under a whole bunch of scenarios that don't fit in with what you and your crybaby friends watch on the Outdoor Channel. Do us all a favor and stay home next time.
I’m assuming, or hoping that he was referring to people calling elk to vehicles/camps/etc. therefore educating them as to who is saying what.
I agree that night time calling is a good tool.
Calling elk that you can’t hunt can really hurt the few tag holders in some areas… but it sure is fun!
I’ve been on both ends of this, this will be an argument as long as we have elk and elk hunters.
Post by: Kowsrule30 on September 24, 2012, 04:12:13 PM
Post by: Seeanyelk on September 25, 2012, 05:26:41 PM
Post by: dscubame on September 27, 2012, 03:02:24 PM
Post by: GEARHEAD on September 27, 2012, 03:17:47 PM
Post by: boneaddict on September 27, 2012, 04:06:23 PM
Post by: deerhunter_98520 on September 27, 2012, 08:18:20 PM
I've called the same bull in 5 or 6 times, even on the same night multiple times. That must be the dunce in the class.
Your really educating thst bull now :chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: boneaddict on September 27, 2012, 08:19:12 PM
Post by: deerhunter_98520 on September 27, 2012, 09:03:55 PM
Post by: boneaddict on September 27, 2012, 09:24:59 PM
Post by: coachcw on September 27, 2012, 09:28:54 PM
Post by: grundy53 on September 27, 2012, 09:32:29 PM
I am going to save them one at a time. :chuckle::chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: idahohuntr on September 27, 2012, 10:22:09 PM
This was meant to be an educational thread to new archery hunters and to try and make the archery woods better for all of us. If you think an elk that comes into a call and either sees/smells a hunter or gets a truck door slammed in their face doesn't learn something (educated) I think you're wrong. The point I was trying make was to think about how you use your elk calls. I agree that using a bugle at night works to locate a bull for the next day, I've done it too. But I also think calling too much can make animals leave an area or become call shy. If you don't think so try hunting for elk in the Missouri Breaks of Montana sometime. Or pick up a book on elk hunting or attend a seminar about elk hunting and calling. If you think I'm being a crybaby then so be it, just don't be surprised when I approach you in the woods and have a little conversation. That's what we did, we talked to the hunters about the area and the other people hunting and came to a mutual agreement of what not to do. They we're new to this area and appreciated the advice. Funny, some people actually do appreciate advice and don't try and act like an _ss clown.
What a joke...your suggestion for telling me how to learn about elk calling is to pick up a book or go to a seminar or hunt in the Missouri breaks? Like I said earlier, stick to the Outdoor Channel and leave the elk to guys who actually get out in the woods. I assure you I have enough experience calling elk that I know better than to go telling other guys what to do or what not to do. My biggest problem though is I don't think you have any right to "educate" other hunters in your area or convince them of "what not to do". I doubt your advice is very sound so I don't think you are really helping anyone and really it would be better if you just left other hunters alone to enjoy themselves without some over educated moron telling them how to call based on the latest book he read. If some jerk comes to have "a little conversation with me" about how I'm elk hunting I would laugh my @ss off at you and tell you to go fly a kite.
Post by: PlateauNDN on September 28, 2012, 12:32:57 PM
This was meant to be an educational thread to new archery hunters and to try and make the archery woods better for all of us. If you think an elk that comes into a call and either sees/smells a hunter or gets a truck door slammed in their face doesn't learn something (educated) I think you're wrong. The point I was trying make was to think about how you use your elk calls. I agree that using a bugle at night works to locate a bull for the next day, I've done it too. But I also think calling too much can make animals leave an area or become call shy. If you don't think so try hunting for elk in the Missouri Breaks of Montana sometime. Or pick up a book on elk hunting or attend a seminar about elk hunting and calling. If you think I'm being a crybaby then so be it, just don't be surprised when I approach you in the woods and have a little conversation. That's what we did, we talked to the hunters about the area and the other people hunting and came to a mutual agreement of what not to do. They we're new to this area and appreciated the advice. Funny, some people actually do appreciate advice and don't try and act like an _ss clown.
REALLY???? You could've fooled me? Because I thought it was you crying about calling a bull in near the road and some tribal members harvested it? I could've sworn that was the original complaint but, if you insist then by all means go ahead what ever makes you sleep better at night. And I'd have to agree with another member here, it sounds to me like somebody crying because they ate tag soup?
Post by: pianoman9701 on September 28, 2012, 02:46:25 PM
This was meant to be an educational thread to new archery hunters and to try and make the archery woods better for all of us. If you think an elk that comes into a call and either sees/smells a hunter or gets a truck door slammed in their face doesn't learn something (educated) I think you're wrong. The point I was trying make was to think about how you use your elk calls. I agree that using a bugle at night works to locate a bull for the next day, I've done it too. But I also think calling too much can make animals leave an area or become call shy. If you don't think so try hunting for elk in the Missouri Breaks of Montana sometime. Or pick up a book on elk hunting or attend a seminar about elk hunting and calling. If you think I'm being a crybaby then so be it, just don't be surprised when I approach you in the woods and have a little conversation. That's what we did, we talked to the hunters about the area and the other people hunting and came to a mutual agreement of what not to do. They we're new to this area and appreciated the advice. Funny, some people actually do appreciate advice and don't try and act like an _ss clown.
REALLY???? You could've fooled me? Because I thought it was you crying about calling a bull in near the road and some tribal members harvested it? I could've sworn that was the original complaint but, if you insist then by all means go ahead what ever makes you sleep better at night. And I'd have to agree with another member here, it sounds to me like somebody crying because they ate tag soup?
See Seeanyelk, now you got a warpath on. Couldn't leave well enough alone, could ya? The Indians are all gettin' together, ridin' around in their trucks, doin' the warpath thing. You'd better find some freakin' cavalry and quick, that's all I can say! :yike: :yike: :yike: :archer: :archer:
Post by: furbearer365 on September 28, 2012, 03:55:43 PM
Post by: PlateauNDN on September 28, 2012, 04:30:51 PM
Post by: deerhunter_98520 on September 28, 2012, 06:53:16 PM
"Help Wanted" in need of a person to call in a bull elk for me who also films and photographs the road hunt, also require at least 10 years of experience in elk calling, at least 5 elk calling trophies/competitions won and at least 3 references to verify your ability. Prefer reed calling but will accept terminators and hoochie mamas and any other automatic calls that don't recall skill to operate. Will compensate with a package of ground beef. :chuckle:
Instead of beef can i have pork? :chuckle:
Post by: runamuk on September 28, 2012, 07:18:15 PM
"Help Wanted" in need of a person to call in a bull elk for me who also films and photographs the road hunt, also require at least 10 years of experience in elk calling, at least 5 elk calling trophies/competitions won and at least 3 references to verify your ability. Prefer reed calling but will accept terminators and hoochie mamas and any other automatic calls that don't recall skill to operate. Will compensate with a package of ground beef. :chuckle:
um what about just dousing ones self in cow in heat wizz and running through the woods chirping in a flirtatious manner.... :dunno: :dunno:
and if someone told me my calling stunked I could just whip out my predator calls and commence to screaming......hows that ....better ;)
Post by: deerhunter_98520 on September 28, 2012, 07:44:23 PM
Post by: runamuk on September 28, 2012, 07:46:22 PM
So your going to whip somthing out and start screaming....that ought to be interesting :chuckle:you are soooooooo bad :chuckle: :chuckle: dang I did not even do that on purpose this time...that was all blonde ineptness at its finest......and I walked right into that :P
Post by: Mudman on September 28, 2012, 07:59:11 PM
Post by: deerhunter_98520 on September 28, 2012, 08:28:36 PM
So your going to whip somthing out and start screaming....that ought to be interesting :chuckle:you are soooooooo bad :chuckle: :chuckle: dang I did not even do that on purpose this time...that was all blonde ineptness at its finest......and I walked right into that :P
:chuckle:
You did and i couldnt resist
Post by: grundy53 on September 29, 2012, 02:33:59 AM
This was meant to be an educational thread to new archery hunters and to try and make the archery woods better for all of us. If you think an elk that comes into a call and either sees/smells a hunter or gets a truck door slammed in their face doesn't learn something (educated) I think you're wrong. The point I was trying make was to think about how you use your elk calls. I agree that using a bugle at night works to locate a bull for the next day, I've done it too. But I also think calling too much can make animals leave an area or become call shy. If you don't think so try hunting for elk in the Missouri Breaks of Montana sometime. Or pick up a book on elk hunting or attend a seminar about elk hunting and calling. If you think I'm being a crybaby then so be it, just don't be surprised when I approach you in the woods and have a little conversation. That's what we did, we talked to the hunters about the area and the other people hunting and came to a mutual agreement of what not to do. They we're new to this area and appreciated the advice. Funny, some people actually do appreciate advice and don't try and act like an _ss clown.
REALLY???? You could've fooled me? Because I thought it was you crying about calling a bull in near the road and some tribal members harvested it? I could've sworn that was the original complaint but, if you insist then by all means go ahead what ever makes you sleep better at night. And I'd have to agree with another member here, it sounds to me like somebody crying because they ate tag soup?
Wrong thread.... i I think this is the thread you are looking for. http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,105896.60.html (http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,105896.60.html) you should double check next time...
Post by: Wild Bill on September 29, 2012, 08:29:05 PM
Ive called several elk to the roads (usually overgrown), and even called one across a clear cut 4 different times in one day (huge clearcut). All small bulls.
Any big or dominate bulls ive dealt with play with different cards.
I prefer to stay off roads, but if I have someone who's never shot a bull and don't care about size or where he shoots it at, game on.
Too each their own. When your singing the right song, and he's turning up the volume, i'd bet you could call one across I-5.
:twocents:
WB