Hunting Washington Forum

Big Game Hunting => Wolves => Topic started by: Skinner on October 02, 2012, 09:19:25 AM


Advertise Here
Title: Crazy Morning!
Post by: Skinner on October 02, 2012, 09:19:25 AM
Came home from work this morning and couldn't find my two newly weaned bull calves.  They are only in a 100'x200' pen attached to my barn.  I came around the corner and the horses were staring at the edge of my property line at the brush.  To my amazement two wolves ran towards me.  I snapped a pic with the camera phone then ran into the house and grabbed my camera and a pistol.  I came back and they were still there just staring into the brush when out pops my two calves.  The brush they came out of was actually 8' tall blackberry briars which I thought was wierd.  Then all of the sudden the two wolves started chasing and hamstringing my calves.  I fired a shot to stop them.  I couldn't shoot at them cause they were right on my animals.  They ran off and I'm here showing you the pics.  Of course my card reader will not work but I plugged the camera into he TV and took some pics with my phone.  Pretty shaken up so say the least.  Oh ya I live in Castle Rock, Wa....
Title: Re: Crazy Morning!
Post by: NRA4LIFE on October 02, 2012, 09:22:36 AM
I would report that to the WDFW immediately.
Title: Re: Crazy Morning!
Post by: Skinner on October 02, 2012, 09:25:12 AM
After thinking about it awhile I'm pretty sure the calves had been chased into the briars and the wolves were waiting for them to come back out.  They have manure all over their butts too and were pretty shaken up when they ran to the barn....
Title: Re: Crazy Morning!
Post by: quadrafire on October 02, 2012, 09:27:21 AM
I would report that to the WDFW immediately.
:yeah:
Title: Re: Crazy Morning!
Post by: DoubleJ on October 02, 2012, 09:53:17 AM
Can you text me the pics from your phone and I can get them posted for you
Title: Re: Crazy Morning!
Post by: bearpaw on October 02, 2012, 09:57:06 AM
Skinner, do you mind if I merge this topic with our wolf sightings topic?

Also what GMU is that?
Title: Re: Crazy Morning!
Post by: notellumcreek on October 02, 2012, 09:57:37 AM
The encounters just keep becoming more and more apparent here in WA... glad no major harm came from them, too bad you couldn't put one of them fu$#%rs down.
Title: Re: Crazy Morning!
Post by: tides56 on October 02, 2012, 10:00:36 AM
too bad you couldn't put one of them fu$#%rs down.

 :yeah:
Title: Re: Crazy Morning!
Post by: jackmaster on October 02, 2012, 10:01:59 AM
WOW DUDE, i would shaken and pissed as well, castlerock has wolves, wonderful  :bash: :bash: so it wont be long and they will be feeding heavily on the tootle and st hellen heards if they aint already, oh what am i saying wolves dont want to work for their food when they can get farmers cattle and such  :bash: :bash: :bash:, thanks liberal tards
Title: Re: Crazy Morning!
Post by: mrmoskillz on October 02, 2012, 10:05:34 AM
Amazing! Those bastages are in our backyard now.  Bet they will say it was a German shepard or huge yote.  Thanks for posting 
Title: Re: Crazy Morning!
Post by: Skinner on October 02, 2012, 10:08:20 AM
Unit 504 stella.  Do whatever you want Dale.  Cant get through to anyone ar wdfw.  Pretty frustrating
Title: Re: Crazy Morning!
Post by: TheHunt on October 02, 2012, 10:09:09 AM
That is why someone needs to capture a pair of them and transplant them to the island of Mr. Ranker.
Title: Re: Crazy Morning!
Post by: jackmaster on October 02, 2012, 10:12:35 AM
That is why someone needs to capture a pair of them and transplant them to the island of Mr. Ranker.
oh hell count me in, i built a sweet big ass live trap that i can let someone use, you can use it skinner if ya want, maybe you could live trap one and then take it to the govenors house  :dunno:
Title: Re: Crazy Morning!
Post by: Maverick on October 02, 2012, 10:14:07 AM
Wow. Glad they didn't kill your animals. They'll be back... Call wdfw immediately and report that!  Glad you got pics! I would have just grabbed the gun!
Title: Re: Crazy Morning!
Post by: kentrek on October 02, 2012, 10:20:10 AM
Amazing! Those bastages are in our backyard now.  Bet they will say it was a German shepard or huge yote.  Thanks for posting

yeah thats exactly what they will say..

pending on where this has takin place..there are a few groups of weird hybrid things (stupid arss pets things that got free) that are pretty wolf like..realy wild..some out toward vadar,tower,and ive heard of em out toward headquarters as well

not sayn its not a wolf tho,could be,but i kinda hope not  :twocents:
Title: Crazy Morning!
Post by: sirmissalot on October 02, 2012, 10:24:09 AM
Was it a grey one and a black one? Hard to see much in the pictures
Title: Re: Crazy Morning!
Post by: Fishstiq on October 02, 2012, 10:26:22 AM
That is insane!  Be safe out there, and  :mgun:
Title: Re: Crazy Morning!
Post by: notellumcreek on October 02, 2012, 10:27:14 AM
Was it a grey one and a black one? Hard to see much in the pictures

That's what I am seeing. Took me a couple times looking to realize the pic with the cows actually has the wolves at thier feet too
Title: Re: Crazy Morning!
Post by: snowshoes22 on October 02, 2012, 10:39:30 AM
what is the legality of shooting them? I know i would shoot first and ask later but i was just wondering?
Title: Re: Crazy Morning!
Post by: bearpaw on October 02, 2012, 10:50:31 AM
Western Washington is still federally protected and state protected. That's why it cost the White's so much, their area was not federally delisted like the more eastern part of Washington.

This state needs to be delisted and people allowed to protect their property.  :twocents:
Title: Re: Crazy Morning!
Post by: bobcat on October 02, 2012, 10:57:15 AM
what is the legality of shooting them? I know i would shoot first and ask later but i was just wondering?

I would shoot them, and assume they are dogs, not wolves. (Since there are no wolves on this side of the mountains, yet).

If they turned out to be 100% wolf, oh well. We all know the only good wolf is a dead wolf.

Oh, and as far as the legality of it, I think it is legal to shoot wolves in order to protect livestock. But don't quote me on that.
Title: Re: Crazy Morning!
Post by: ELKBURGER on October 02, 2012, 11:06:38 AM
I would say if they are in Castle Rock then they've been all around Rainier and St. Helens
Title: Re: Crazy Morning!
Post by: Atroxus on October 02, 2012, 11:07:56 AM
what is the legality of shooting them? I know i would shoot first and ask later but i was just wondering?

I would shoot them, and assume they are dogs, not wolves. (Since there are no wolves on this side of the mountains, yet).

If they turned out to be 100% wolf, oh well. We all know the only good wolf is a dead wolf.

Oh, and as far as the legality of it, I think it is legal to shoot wolves in order to protect livestock. But don't quote me on that.

I would think that if it was legal the McIrvins would have solved their wolf problem themselves rather than waste time with WDFW?  :dunno:
Title: Re: Crazy Morning!
Post by: snowshoes22 on October 02, 2012, 11:10:18 AM
I would think catching them in the act would be different than just finding a dead calf.
Title: Re: Crazy Morning!
Post by: lokidog on October 02, 2012, 11:10:34 AM
Looks like a feral dog chasing livestock... BOOM!
Title: Re: Crazy Morning!
Post by: JimmyHoffa on October 02, 2012, 11:11:07 AM
what is the legality of shooting them? I know i would shoot first and ask later but i was just wondering?

I would shoot them, and assume they are dogs, not wolves. (Since there are no wolves on this side of the mountains, yet).

If they turned out to be 100% wolf, oh well. We all know the only good wolf is a dead wolf.

Oh, and as far as the legality of it, I think it is legal to shoot wolves in order to protect livestock. But don't quote me on that.

I would think that if it was legal the McIrvins would have solved their wolf problem themselves rather than waste time with WDFW?  :dunno:
I think the legal part is 'in the act', so he would be good to shoot.  The McIrvins (to my knowledge) are at the scene when it is happening.  But have to check all the laws.
Title: Re: Crazy Morning!
Post by: kentrek on October 02, 2012, 11:26:51 AM
it legal to kill dogs(even one with an owner) if they are damaging property so i would hope that it would apply to wolfs aswell
Title: Re: Crazy Morning!
Post by: Austrian Hunter on October 02, 2012, 11:27:16 AM
 :yike: :yike: :yike: that's just crazy!  Too bad you could not nail them with your gun :bash:
Title: Re: Crazy Morning!
Post by: Skinner on October 02, 2012, 11:31:48 AM
I will post the originals from the camera tonight.  Waiting on a call from the warden
Title: Re: Crazy Morning!
Post by: dr.derek on October 02, 2012, 11:32:41 AM
I will go on wolf patrol for you if you need an extra set of eyes over your heard  ;)
Title: Crazy Morning!
Post by: jackelope on October 02, 2012, 11:37:44 AM
Looks like a feral dog chasing livestock... BOOM!
I agree.
Title: Re: Crazy Morning!
Post by: Kowsrule30 on October 02, 2012, 11:39:13 AM
Knew it wouldn't be long till they started over here... Glad you and your animals made it out alive.... They will be back... They were just testing....
Title: Re: Crazy Morning!
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on October 02, 2012, 11:39:47 AM
SKINNER ...Help me out here a little ..1st question is .. How far apart are those strans on the Barbed wire on the fence ? 2nd question is .. What is that black thing lying down at the wolfs feet ? Just need more info ...thats all !  ;)
Title: Re: Crazy Morning!
Post by: Cougeyes on October 02, 2012, 11:41:45 AM
Picture doesn't look like a wolf to me.
Title: Re: Crazy Morning!
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on October 02, 2012, 11:44:24 AM
Must be a Black one lying at its feet  :dunno: :chuckle:
Title: Re: Crazy Morning!
Post by: Mike450r on October 02, 2012, 11:46:01 AM
That dog in the picture isn't a wolf,  much like that cat in a certain older picture wasn't a bobcat
Title: Re: Crazy Morning!
Post by: Skinner on October 02, 2012, 12:11:39 PM
Picture is of a black and grey.   Grey is stretched out and is deceiving.  Black is laying on the ground at his feet.  I was 50 yards max!  Have seen plenty of wolves , dogs, yotes to know these were wolves or hybrids.  Either way it needs to be documented.  Barb wire is roughly 12 inches a part.  Gonna see if i can find some hair...
Title: Re: Crazy Morning!
Post by: JohnVH on October 02, 2012, 12:28:57 PM
time to sit in the barn armed with a call in the back yard!
Title: Re: Crazy Morning!
Post by: bearpaw on October 02, 2012, 02:30:20 PM
Wildlife provided a number for Skinner to contact so they can investigate. PM sent.

They said if you get a recording to leave your info and they will get back to you. They want to follow up.
Title: Re: Crazy Morning!
Post by: singleshot12 on October 02, 2012, 02:49:00 PM
My first thought is hybrids. They'll be back, get yourself a 22-250 if you don't already have one.
Title: Re: Crazy Morning!
Post by: Skinner on October 02, 2012, 03:24:51 PM
I dont doubt they may be. hybrids.  I have been in contact with wdfw.  The sheriffs dept refered me to them too.  Just want some documentation when my animals are attacked. 
Title: Re: Crazy Morning!
Post by: Austrian Hunter on October 02, 2012, 03:43:00 PM
Where are the Hybirds comming from? 
Title: Re: Crazy Morning!
Post by: Kola16 on October 02, 2012, 07:41:40 PM
Where are the Hybirds comming from?

If they are hybrids, someone turned them loose  :twocents:
Title: Re: Crazy Morning!
Post by: ICEMAN on October 02, 2012, 07:48:40 PM
I would shoot them in a heartbeat given the chance.
Title: Re: Crazy Morning!
Post by: CAMPMEAT on October 02, 2012, 07:55:45 PM
I hate to say it, but, it's a coyote. Doesn't have the characteristics of a wolf. Just my opinion, but the picture looks like a coyote. Sorry. I've seen wolves in real life.
Title: Re: Crazy Morning!
Post by: Kola16 on October 02, 2012, 08:04:28 PM
I hate to say it, but, it's a coyote. Doesn't have the characteristics of a wolf. Just my opinion, but the picture looks like a coyote. Sorry. I've seen wolves in real life.

It doesn't really have a long narrow snout  :dunno: What about the fluffy black one  :chuckle:
Title: Re: Crazy Morning!
Post by: Roundhead on October 02, 2012, 08:06:02 PM
I hate to say it, but, it's a coyote. Doesn't have the characteristics of a wolf. Just my opinion, but the picture looks like a coyote. Sorry. I've seen wolves in real life.
Jet black coyote?
Title: Re: Crazy Morning!
Post by: CAMPMEAT on October 02, 2012, 08:09:05 PM
Besides, it's not big enough looking.
Title: Re: Crazy Morning!
Post by: Kola16 on October 02, 2012, 08:11:54 PM
Besides, it's not big enough looking.

That is why we are thinking hybrid  :dunno: But it is on a camera phone.
Title: Re: Crazy Morning!
Post by: kglacken on October 02, 2012, 08:31:30 PM
Looks like a yote to me  :dunno:
Title: Crazy Morning!
Post by: sirmissalot on October 02, 2012, 08:39:09 PM
The fluffy black one just looks weird, I can't see it whatsoever other than a black fur ball. Not very wolf looking though. The grey one looks very much like a yote. Neither of them look big enough to be a wolf when compared to the size of the calf, but again the pictures make it really hard to see much. I do believe the OP that he saw something that wasn't a coyote.
Title: Re: Crazy Morning!
Post by: Ned on October 02, 2012, 11:43:00 PM
Most wolves stand with a level back. Most coyotes stand taller at the front shoulder.
Look at your pictures again and tell us what you think .
Title: Re: Crazy Morning!
Post by: singleshot12 on October 03, 2012, 06:18:52 AM
The only way to find out for sure is to shoot the SOB's
Title: Re: Crazy Morning!
Post by: jackmaster on October 03, 2012, 06:41:37 AM
that aint no damn coyote, how many black coyotes has anyone seen, NONE, its a wolf, or a hybrid, it isnt the first time some of us have heard there are wolves in that neck of the woods...... skinner, since it is beleived to be a coyote or if the wdfw says its a coyote the by golly you get to shoot the hell out of it.. :tup: shoot straight, cant wait for pics......
Title: Re: Crazy Morning!
Post by: boneaddict on October 03, 2012, 07:12:11 AM
I hunted a black coyote for two years here in the Wenas.  Almost got him a couple times.  One smart bugger.  That being said, I now need to go read the last 3 pages and see what I am talking about.
Title: Re: Crazy Morning!
Post by: 92xj on October 03, 2012, 07:17:25 AM
how many black coyotes has anyone seen, NONE,

really?
Title: Re: Crazy Morning!
Post by: boneaddict on October 03, 2012, 07:20:50 AM
Hybrids or crosses or ferals. Leaning towards coyote/dog cross.    Hard to say with that small of pic.  Not wolf.  At least not pure timberwolf.  Sorry.   Snout is wrong, size is wrong, legs are wrong, shoulders are wrong.   They'd have been dead in a heartbeat.   Glad you saved your calves.   (my opinion of course)
Title: Re: Crazy Morning!
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on October 03, 2012, 07:32:05 AM
that aint no damn coyote, how many black coyotes has anyone seen, NONE, its a wolf, or a hybrid, it isnt the first time some of us have heard there are wolves in that neck of the woods...... skinner, since it is beleived to be a coyote or if the wdfw says its a coyote the by golly you get to shoot the hell out of it.. :tup: shoot straight, cant wait for pics......
WRONG !
Title: Re: Crazy Morning!
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on October 03, 2012, 07:34:21 AM
and I have seen at least 4 in my life and 1 pure white one which that day I had no gun  :bash: :bash: :bash:
Title: Re: Crazy Morning!
Post by: boneaddict on October 03, 2012, 07:34:48 AM
I have a photo of mine live somewhere.   Probably on my old computer.   Nice trophy bowhunter!   That would make a dandy rug.
Title: Re: Crazy Morning!
Post by: Outdoor Guardian on October 03, 2012, 09:55:01 AM
not sure what numbers you tried - but if you provide your contact information, I will make sure an officer promptly investigates this
Title: Re: Crazy Morning!
Post by: GrousePointer on October 03, 2012, 11:20:53 AM
That first pic shows an animal with a back that is sloping down towards the rear. That's usually man made (as in caused by poor dog breeding). Coyotes and wolves usually have a more level back than that.

If you can find tracks, look to see if they are in a straight line. Meandering tracks generally indicate a domestic dog, more straight line is usually a wolf or yote.

I'm sure they could be found in Rastle Cock, but I'm thinking the first confirmed sighting will be more likely in Toutle.

Good luck, either way you have a potential problem there.
Title: Re: Crazy Morning!
Post by: jackmaster on October 03, 2012, 12:07:55 PM
bowhunter45, i dont doubt that thats a coyote, you seem to know your *censored*, but at first look that black coyote in your pic looks like a pic of a heeler type dog, to be honest i hope that the pic skinner took well i hope it is a ferral dog or a yote so he can blast the crap out of it without gettn his whole life taken away..... :tup:
Title: Re: Crazy Morning!
Post by: Kola16 on October 03, 2012, 01:24:57 PM
Look who is back  :rolleyes: Go away Grizzly Bears!
Title: Re: Crazy Morning!
Post by: Gringo31 on October 03, 2012, 01:25:23 PM
The news should be all over this...

And the point should be how a hunter was responsible, took a warning shot to protect his property and contacted the officials.  It would be good press....but, not going to happen.

I lean towards NOT being a protected wolf and OK to kill.  I would have and let the authorities sort it out....especially with pics.
Title: Re: Crazy Morning!
Post by: Ned on October 03, 2012, 02:49:02 PM
that aint no damn coyote,

Well its not a wolf either.
If that is a wolf those CALFS are 8' to the shoulder.
The critters in that picture are 35-40lbs tops.
Title: Re: Crazy Morning!
Post by: boneaddict on October 03, 2012, 04:04:15 PM
It wouldn't be good press because they are not wolves.   Hunters/outdoorsman would look rather silly.
Title: Re: Crazy Morning!
Post by: huntnphool on October 03, 2012, 04:15:42 PM
Castle Rock? :yike:
Title: Re: Crazy Morning!
Post by: Ned on October 03, 2012, 04:57:17 PM
Castle Rock? :yike:

Yes, there are coyotes in Castle Rock :yike:
Title: Re: Crazy Morning!
Post by: huntnphool on October 03, 2012, 05:00:01 PM
Castle Rock? :yike:

Yes, there are coyotes in Castle Rock :yike:
LOL, I just read through the thread.
Title: Re: Crazy Morning!
Post by: Ned on October 03, 2012, 05:12:15 PM
Castle Rock? :yike:

Yes, there are coyotes in Castle Rock :yike:
LOL, I just read through the thread.

Just teasin ya man ................haha
Title: Re: Crazy Morning!
Post by: boneaddict on October 03, 2012, 06:06:56 PM
I'd say there are coyote dog crosses there too. :)
Title: Re: Crazy Morning!
Post by: WAcoyotehunter on October 03, 2012, 10:18:41 PM
It wouldn't be good press because they are not wolves.   Hunters/outdoorsman would look rather silly.
Yep-  A few are looking rather silly anyway.
Title: Re: Crazy Morning!
Post by: carpsniperg2 on October 03, 2012, 10:31:13 PM
I would bet hybrids. We have had a few coydogs around here. We had one litter here that had about 6-7 pups. Some looked like normal yotes and others were almost all black. I bet there daddy was a German Shepard.
Title: Re: Crazy Morning!
Post by: boneaddict on October 04, 2012, 06:32:54 AM
Looks like it in the hips.  I'd like to see the hair better.
Title: Re: Crazy Morning!
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on October 04, 2012, 07:26:55 AM
O.K So what happened with the investigation ? I also believe coyotes crosss breed with dogs ...One thing about coyotes you can count on is the pointy nose ...If you seen or killed enough coyotes you know their is no mistaking them ...I am not sure what you have pictures of but I am not convinced it is a wolf  .. But Like I said , where is the report ?
Title: Re: Crazy Morning!
Post by: Skinner on October 04, 2012, 07:30:40 AM
After making some phone calls and doing some research I have was told that a neighbor had been raising "wolf-dogs."  When I drove by their home the lot appeared empty.   I have a 45 lb heeler and a 60 lb lab and both animals were bigger than them.  I should have waited a while to post my situation but was pretty shaken when I saw them hanging from the rib cage and hip of my calves.  I got a little tunnel vision.  Those calves are 700 and 800 lbs and have never seen a coyote try and take down a healthy animal of that size. 

If I had known they had my calves pinned down in the briars I would have shot them onsite.  They had full intent of taking one down.  The calves had apparently been ran through the night.  They both had diarrhea and when called to the barn for grain just layed down and didn't eat.  I admit I should have wrote my story up differently.  Hope this clears things up.
Title: Re: Crazy Morning!
Post by: h20hunter on October 04, 2012, 07:38:18 AM
Wow....pretty crazy. I would hope you had a conversation with the neighbor!
Title: Re: Crazy Morning!
Post by: boneaddict on October 04, 2012, 07:39:56 AM
Not faulting you one bit for your observation.   Adrenaline is flowing and *censored* is hitting the fan.   I have critters and have been raised with them my whole life.   I've got an interesting moose/cougar/mule story for you sometime.   Coyotes probably wouldn't have harassed your "calves" of that size.   Not likely anyway.   Hybrids, coydogs, or feral dogs would for sure.   You are probably in for more trouble if they dumped a bunch of their critters lose in your hood.  "The Pack" will be back.  Hopefully the sheriff deals with it
Title: Re: Crazy Morning!
Post by: Hunter Dug on October 04, 2012, 07:43:22 AM
I would shoot them in a heartbeat given the chance.

 :yeah:
Title: Re: Crazy Morning!
Post by: notellumcreek on October 04, 2012, 11:07:58 AM
.
Not faulting you one bit for your observation.   Adrenaline is flowing and *censored* is hitting the fan.   I have critters and have been raised with them my whole life.   I've got an interesting moose/cougar/mule story for you sometime.   Coyotes probably wouldn't have harassed your "calves" of that size.   Not likely anyway.   Hybrids, coydogs, or feral dogs would for sure.   You are probably in for more trouble if they dumped a bunch of their critters lose in your hood.  "The Pack" will be back.  Hopefully the sheriff deals with it
:yeah:

I have NEVER seen a yote go after a cow, or calf, let alone an entire pack even attempting it. Been around cattle all my life, and if there are coyotes in the field they stay clear of the cows, they would get thier  :spank_butt: if they ever tried to mess with one of them. If not wolves, hybrids or some sort of cross. Not coyote.
Title: Re: Crazy Morning!
Post by: jackmaster on October 05, 2012, 07:01:36 AM
how are the calves doin now? atleast if they come back you have all rights to shoot them on sight, good luck to ya sir
Title: Re: Crazy Morning!
Post by: 92xj on October 05, 2012, 07:07:43 AM
Maybe it's different in the South but I have seen numerous black/dark colored yotes; I would say 1 out of 8.  I have also seen yotes go after cows.  I have never seen a single do this, but have seen a pair as well as packs of up to 8.  I wont comment on what I see in the pics, because I have no idea. need better pics.
SimplePortal 2.3.7 © 2008-2025, SimplePortal