Post by: backwoods_boy on August 27, 2008, 12:57:33 PM
i was just curious to what you guys thought.
thanks
Post by: jstamp on August 27, 2008, 01:08:44 PM
in 2006 i had my wall tent stolen as well as my bbq trashed and most everything in camp.
Post by: MIKEXRAY on August 27, 2008, 01:23:55 PM
Post by: backwoods_boy on August 27, 2008, 01:26:03 PM
i hike in the dark all the time and never thought to bring my 22 on my hip. i guess ill have to get a new holster.
great idea.
ya just never know in the woods at night.
Post by: saudog on August 27, 2008, 01:28:48 PM
Post by: DeKuma on August 27, 2008, 01:43:53 PM
Post by: Bean Counter on August 27, 2008, 02:23:01 PM
My rationale has usually been in case I get jumped from behind by a cougar or a bear that knocks my rifle out of hand. Just like with caliber selection, "better to be overgunned than undergunned." I kind of like how my handguns have never been used to kill anything (two legged or four legged). I'd like to keep it that way.
Post by: wence5 on August 27, 2008, 02:32:44 PM
Post by: jdb on August 27, 2008, 02:40:29 PM
Post by: snohohunter on August 27, 2008, 02:45:26 PM
Post by: Bean Counter on August 27, 2008, 02:56:39 PM
Post by: ICEMAN on August 27, 2008, 03:00:22 PM
A handgun can also be wielded to remove a cougar from the back of your neck...
Post by: TeacherMan on August 27, 2008, 03:28:43 PM
Post by: MikeWalking on August 27, 2008, 03:49:18 PM
I've carried ever since, no matter what I'm doing, hunting, hiking,fishing, riding...
Post by: HoofsandWings on August 27, 2008, 03:57:02 PM
I had asked this of the WDFW enforcement officers and that is what they told me. I had asked if I could have a pistol on my person while archery hunting or
muzzleloader hunting and I was told no.
I may not have asked my question clearly or correctly.
Post by: backwoods_boy on August 27, 2008, 04:01:27 PM
thanks for the knowledge guys
GOSH I Love this site!
so glad i found it a few months back
its makin me a better hunter
Post by: huntnphool on August 27, 2008, 04:28:22 PM
This goes back to that thread about a side arm during archery. I still rifle hunt for bear, but I switched to archery for deer and elk.......and it would sure be nice to carry a side arm...for the simple fact of all these posts.
I know Ray and the mods don't like self incrimination on the board but I can tell you I carry in plain site while archery elk hunting and there is no game cop going to make me change. Its my right, I have a permit and am responsible. When every crack producing thug or dope growing horticulturist out there is armed and ready to protect their "crop" I'm not going to be caught unprepared, period. They can right me all the citations they want I will go to court and pay it just like my no front license plate tickets. There are always guys like Pope willing to take my money and go argue my right in court over this BS. :chuckle:
By the way, I'm not speaking for Pope or suggesting he practices this kind of law, just speaking of attorneys in general ;)
Post by: Slider on August 27, 2008, 04:36:04 PM
Post by: Nash on August 27, 2008, 05:32:06 PM
Post by: huntnphool on August 27, 2008, 05:53:17 PM
Well huntnphool you insired me. I have always wanted to but never did, I will be packing this year. Too many crazies out there.
Hey Nash, I said I would pay my citations and attorney fees, :chuckle: welcome to the site :hello: Make sure you say hello in the "Introductions" section. ;)
Post by: ShirtGuy77 on August 27, 2008, 05:54:42 PM
Post by: Bean Counter on August 27, 2008, 05:56:32 PM
all very good reasons.
thanks for the knowledge guys
GOSH I Love this site!
so glad i found it a few months back
its makin me a better hunter
+1 :yeah:
Post by: Gutpile on August 27, 2008, 06:16:52 PM
Post by: rasbo on August 27, 2008, 07:59:43 PM
Post by: Timberlineduke on August 27, 2008, 10:07:10 PM
Post by: flashover52 on August 27, 2008, 10:11:01 PM
As for this year, I talked my dad into flying out and getting a bear tag. He'll have the 300 handy and I might just have him tote my pistol until we get well past camp. Camp should be 4-5 miles from the nearest gate so heading in another 3-4 miles from there should get us well past any folks who will likely care.
Post by: Nash on September 03, 2008, 08:24:19 PM
Post by: WonkyWapiti on September 03, 2008, 08:48:04 PM
Post by: Bscman on September 03, 2008, 09:16:00 PM
I definitely agree the law needs to be DROPPED!
However, I do have a pistol holstered on my hip whenever I'm out hiking, fishing, or hunting during a modern firearm season. Sometimes it's only a 22lr, but that is better than nothing.
Looks alone are often a deterrant, and my 22lr looks like a 1911 in the holster. It'd make some noise for a distress signal, or just might supply enough food to save me in a survival situation. Besides, you can carry a couple hundred rounds in your pocket without trouble!
Post by: WAcoueshunter on September 03, 2008, 10:54:08 PM
Also kinda wonder how many game officers would cite someone for it, particularly in the more crime ridden areas.
Post by: skynyr on September 03, 2008, 10:59:43 PM
Post by: huntnphool on September 03, 2008, 11:03:05 PM
Also kinda wonder how many game officers would cite someone for it, particularly in the more crime ridden areas.
I'm willing to bet that most game officers feel its ridiculous as well and unless you are being an ass to them probably wouldn't write you. Same with police officers, most are pretty good guys just like you and I and are just doing their job, they appreciate it when you are courteous and professional until someones an ass to them, then you just have it coming.
Post by: skynyr on September 03, 2008, 11:10:11 PM
Post by: cohoho on September 04, 2008, 10:06:05 AM
The last thing I want to add is the folks that have had issues with Law Enforcement and Gamies, are you the same ones that have issues with folks on this board, neighbors, family members, coworkers.....etc.... And those bad experiances were they really created by the LEO guy???
Post by: WonkyWapiti on September 04, 2008, 01:51:40 PM
Post by: ICEMAN on September 05, 2008, 06:13:51 AM
Post by: Gobble on September 05, 2008, 06:43:35 AM
Post by: MountainWalk on September 06, 2008, 11:44:44 AM
Post by: SilkWWU on September 06, 2008, 11:51:19 AM
I don't think you guys are wrong, but I have never felt compelled to carry a pistol while rifle or bow hunting. I don't think the law should be changed either. To me, if you need a pistol, rifle hunt.
You might change your mind after you get a cougar stalking you when you only have a bow...
Post by: MountainWalk on September 06, 2008, 11:54:05 AM
Post by: Thwack on September 06, 2008, 12:02:04 PM
Post by: Bscman on September 06, 2008, 12:19:22 PM
I'm sure many cougars have watched/followed me while archery hunting. If one jumps on my back, well too bad so sorry for me. I'd much rather try to get him off of me than risk blowing my damn head off or something like that. Still don't think I would change my mind.
Wait until the day you actually *SEE* that cougar stalking you...and you see the muscle groups flex and contract, the fierce gaze, and his slow, methodical movements. The hair will stand up on the back of your neck and you'll immediately wish you had something more than a bow.
Or wait until the day you've made a rough camp way out in the middle of no where, some time after darness fell...and the guys coming in under the cover of darkness to work their grow operation and stumble across you a few hundred yards from *their* camp. How do you think they're going to react?
To me, a sidearm is a tool...just like spare matches or a rain jacket...
I still carry those things with me--even when I don't feel like I need them...because you never can be too sure when you WILL need them.
(But like I said earlier, I still obey the NONSENSICAL law that says I can't carry while archery hunting)
If you don't get too far off the beaten path (road hunter), or you don't spend a large number of days outdoors in predator country, it might seem a little insane to carry a sidearm...but to me, it sure makes a heck of a lot of sense. It only takes one or two experiences to change your ways.
I'd rather complain about the extra weight on my hip, than have 2 seconds of regret in dire circumstances because I DIDN'T have it.
Call my over-prepared, call me paranoid, or call me chickenshat...but I'm pleased knowing there is one less "what-if" that I need to worry about because I am prepared.
Post by: Aperson on September 06, 2008, 02:38:39 PM
Post by: MountainWalk on September 06, 2008, 04:31:34 PM
I'm ok with CCW permit holders packing legally.
Post by: Houndhunter on September 06, 2008, 04:35:40 PM
Post by: Bofire on September 06, 2008, 05:08:31 PM
Is it ok for some pot head to smoke because he thinks it is ok??> Hell NO! Is it ok for a cop to let it go because he thinks other drugs are worse?? hell no. Deciding to charge you is not up to the cop it is up to the prosecuter.
You can carry concealed and try to get away with it, you can drink and drive and try to get away, you can smoke dope and try to get away, what makes you any different than any other criminal? If break the law pay the price and dont whine to me.
This whole thread makes me want to puke, what kind of eliteist ass thinks they are above the law? If you feel you need protection that is outside of legal in some situation, DONT GET IN THAT SITUATION.
Carl
"I should be allowed to drive 70 in 55 zones cause I have a new car and good tires"
"I should be allowed to smoke pot cause its not as bad as alcohol"
"I should be allowed to rape the gal in the mini skirt cause she teased me"
"I should be allowed to assault the guy cause he insulted my Mom"
"I should be allowed to poach because food prices are high"
Post by: CP on September 06, 2008, 06:16:32 PM
Post by: SpearitLake on September 06, 2008, 06:51:22 PM
Regardless of the season I am always packin a pistol when I exit my rig, either my S&W .460 or my Desert Eagle .50cal
Why? First and foremost is when on a walk & stalk the brush, reprod can close in on you where a pistol offers the best chance for a good quick shot. Then when the conditions change I switch to my .300Weatherby X 7mm
Second I just feel a tad bit more comfortable having a second firearm with me. Yes both of my pistols are hogs and that extra five plus pounds tucked in between my belly button and belt can at times need an adjustment but I have been doing this for the past 18 seasons.
Post by: rasbo on September 06, 2008, 07:04:38 PM
Post by: Bofire on September 06, 2008, 07:29:42 PM
Keep in mind the LEO can not only cite you they can confiscate. I carry 24/7, when I muzzle loader hunted I did not, I do not bow hunt, if I did I would not carry.
I understand wanting to be able to protect yourself, and like I said I think the law is wrong and should be changed. I find it funny so many bad mouth so many law breakers then violate laws them selves. Keep in mind a few violations and you'll lose your hunting privlige for life.
Tell me how do you decide which ones to obey??
Post by: SpearitLake on September 07, 2008, 02:29:51 PM
Post by: Bofire on September 07, 2008, 07:44:33 PM
The vast majority of my job is tactical response plans and training. Perhaps some assumption examination is in order?
Carl
Post by: SilkWWU on September 08, 2008, 08:57:25 AM
ive been under a tree with a lion above me alone and no gun or any weapon, 20min for the group to get there. but lucky for me i had a bunch of hounds at my back :chuckle:
!!!!!! Scaaaarrrryyyy. I'm more nervous about the people though truthfull then the animals (if I had to rank the scare order). I have been out in area's waiting for a gate to be opened or something and been in a known "meth" area for hunting. I refuse to even close my eyes for ten minutes waiting on my hunting partner to get there for fear I'll wake up with a meth head with a gun wanting all my money and my guns.
It's a scary world out there, and it's much better to be safe then sorry.
Post by: SpearitLake on September 08, 2008, 09:08:15 AM
I hope that's clear enough for you Carl. Just one more thought, when you mentioned that if an officer of the Law caught someone in violation they should without a forethought site the individual simply because they were in violation and not let the perp off? So I take it, and yes this is an assumption here, that your a " Letter Of The Law Officer " ?
Post by: SilkWWU on September 08, 2008, 10:01:43 AM
Not an assumption Carl just a straight forward question, do you or have you exceeded the speed limit, ( I guess this is where I failed to clearly explain my question ) when off duty, ( and please don't tell me your never off duty ) and in your own POV and not en-gauged in "on duty" activity.
I hope that's clear enough for you Carl. Just one more thought, when you mentioned that if an officer of the Law caught someone in violation they should without a forethought site the individual simply because they were in violation and not let the perp off? So I take it, and yes this is an assumption here, that your a " Letter Of The Law Officer " ?
Actually, Carl is wrong. IT IS ILLIGAL for an officer to speed UNLESS they are responding to a emergency call. There is a huge article about an on duty officer who got a camera ticket.
Post by: Bofire on September 08, 2008, 12:51:58 PM
I did not make that statement. But next time you "accidently carry an illegal firearm while archery hunting" you tell the Cop/Judge it was just a mistake. Apparently you think a good cop should let you carry illegally. When should a Cop cite you for this?
Next time you see a Trooper beside I-5 running radar you be sure to stop and tell him he can't do that.
I have been stopped once in the last 25 years, by a small town Officer, he told me he stopped me "because he thought I was going to speed" I did not, he did not write me. Last, Yes if i get stopped I will expect to be cited.
I am done now
Post by: SpearitLake on September 08, 2008, 02:58:02 PM
..................and that last comment about the Officer stopping you because he "thought" you were going to speed leaves me LMAO Carl.
................and if you do get stopped I am thinking that somehow your in Law Enforcement will arise and in hopes that you dont get cited and have to part with a few Washingtons, Lincolns & Jacksons.
Post by: SpearitLake on September 08, 2008, 03:01:52 PM
Post by: Flak Jacker on September 08, 2008, 05:47:22 PM
Am I breaking the law? Yes
Will I accept the ticket politely? Yes
Will I ask for a jury of my peers? You bet
Will I mention to the jury the legal term known as "jury nullification"? Absolutely!
I will be judged by my peers.
Not by a law enforcement officer.
Not by a judge.
But my peers who can relate to me and the reason I made the decision to carry based on the 2nd Amendment and my CWP.
Now that's real...
Post by: Flak Jacker on September 08, 2008, 06:07:08 PM
I did not make that statement. But next time you "accidently carry an illegal firearm while archery hunting" you tell the Cop/Judge it was just a mistake. Apparently you think a good cop should let you carry illegally. When should a Cop cite you for this?
Technically it is not an "illegal firearm", just for those that are keeping score.
Post by: ICEMAN on September 08, 2008, 08:45:02 PM
Your attitude is not appreciated here.
Post by: SpearitLake on September 08, 2008, 10:41:29 PM
It was Bofire who drew first blood, so Iceman I suggest you go chill out and watch Top Gun.
Maverick :hello:
Post by: Ray on September 08, 2008, 10:49:32 PM
Post by: ICEMAN on September 08, 2008, 10:53:33 PM
Iceman no disrespect intended towards Law Enforcement nor do I have a beef with authority, but when someone, anyone beats around the bush when asked a direct question time and again I have the tendency to "rattle ones cage"
It was Bofire who drew first blood, so Iceman I suggest you go chill out and watch Top Gun.
Maverick :hello:
Look, many of us here, have a deep respect for law enforcement.
Re-read your posts. It appears that you are trying to draw Bofire out, to make any comment that you can jump on. That is my take. When someone here sticks their neck out, to help explain something to the rest of us, and they get challenged on it, attacked, we all lose, because we will all lose their perspective. Please respect that. He doesnt have to answer any of your questions.
And, I will not "chill out". I will actively defend this site. Moderators and others can give me a spanking if they deem fit, but I will always try to help this site.
Post by: SpearitLake on September 08, 2008, 11:00:25 PM
Post by: huntnphool on September 08, 2008, 11:04:15 PM
Spiritlake, show some respect around here for law enforcement. Apparently you have a beef with authority. Your attitude is not appreciated here.
:yeah: I agree, a little respect for the officers on here as well as the other members. There is no room on this site for disrespectful posters, most of us on here don't appreciate it.
Post by: SpearitLake on September 08, 2008, 11:12:20 PM
Go back and look at where Bofire evaded, side steped, ignored my simple straight foward question. If by calling Carl "Barney" as in Barney Fife well then to those who's toes I have steped on I am sorry.
I will do my best to watch out for the egg shells while walking about here.
Post by: huntnphool on September 08, 2008, 11:20:22 PM
I am sorry.I will do my best to watch out for the egg shells while walking about here.
Thank you and welcome to the site ;)
Post by: billythekidrock on September 09, 2008, 05:44:59 AM
Look, many of us here, have a deep respect for law enforcement.
If you don't believe it than just ask Krusty. :chuckle:
:chuckle:
Post by: Slenk on September 09, 2008, 06:02:13 AM
Slenk
Post by: SpearitLake on September 09, 2008, 08:28:32 AM
Post by: Rhinoron247 on September 10, 2008, 08:57:15 AM
What it really is about, is whether you chose to take personal responsibility for the choices you make. if you choose to carry when the law says you can't, good for you and I am sure you have your reasons. However, if you are caught then you should be willing to pay the price. Step up and shut up! The same applies to every choice in life from speeding to cheating on your wife. It you can't own the responsibility for the outcome of your choices don't do it . They really involve no one else in this process but yourself.
If the law is wrong then support the effort to change it. That's where our real "Rights" lay.
PS: If I chose to carry a side arm when I wasn't supposed to. I surely would talk about it, or for *censored* sake post it on the web. Just my thoughts.
Post by: SilkWWU on September 10, 2008, 09:29:26 AM
THAT would make for HILLARIOUS message board talk. :chuckle:
I am such an anarchist. 8)
Post by: SpearitLake on September 10, 2008, 04:16:02 PM
I carry whenever I leave my rig...... Period
I asked one very simple question, refered to Carl as Barney, (which by the way was my favorite show growing Mayberry RFD) :) and somehow it seems like a few of the boys got their feelings hurt because of it.
My question still stands....................Carl, do or have you broken the speed limit as explained above.
Post by: ICEMAN on September 10, 2008, 07:32:17 PM
Post by: 12Gauge on September 10, 2008, 09:29:55 PM
Post by: jackelope on September 10, 2008, 10:08:29 PM
no need for it.
pointless last half of the thread.
Post by: Slenk on September 11, 2008, 06:20:01 AM
Slenk