Post by: preacherman on October 15, 2012, 07:58:57 PM
The AR was in a front tactical position, and at that time he put his hands on the weapon holding it in the ready position, demanding that I leave. As soon as he was finished yelling I as calmly as possible told him that if even hinted at pointing that thing at me I would have to act forcibly, then told him that he needed to leave and he did.
Who does that! That was one of the most tense moments in my life!
Today when I got off work I headed over there, and he came over but left the AR at home, wise move, and asked if I would just not hurt the does. W. I. is an any deer area but I agreed that if I could get a buck before it got too late in the season I would leave the does alone. I am a meat hunter, I just want the heaviest animal, usually gonna be a buck anyways.
Post by: CP on October 15, 2012, 08:04:23 PM
Post by: Widgeondeke on October 15, 2012, 08:07:48 PM
Sounds like hunter harassment, I’d file charges.x2 :yeah: People won't learn and will continue to act this way until someone is hurt :yike: :bdid:
I would've called the sheriff :twocents:
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on October 15, 2012, 08:10:35 PM
Post by: Gutpile on October 15, 2012, 08:12:49 PM
Sounds like hunter harassment, I’d file charges.
I would have called the cops immediately
Post by: bearhunter99 on October 15, 2012, 08:13:40 PM
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on October 15, 2012, 08:14:35 PM
Post by: KillerBeee on October 15, 2012, 08:16:51 PM
Post by: dscubame on October 15, 2012, 08:26:07 PM
Post by: Gutpile on October 15, 2012, 08:27:03 PM
On what grounds are you suggesting the cops are called on? He has the right to be carrying an AR or most any other type of gun for that matter. And to be protective of his fellow neighbors property is not a bad thing if he does not recognize the owner or permission granted.
He was trespassing and hunter harassment is illegal. Those grounds. Let the cops sort it out.
Post by: lokidog on October 15, 2012, 08:35:13 PM
On what grounds are you suggesting the cops are called on? He has the right to be carrying an AR or most any other type of gun for that matter. And to be protective of his fellow neighbors property is not a bad thing if he does not recognize the owner or permission granted.
He was trespassing and hunter harassment is illegal. Those grounds. Let the cops sort it out.
:yeah: And brandishing a weapon. I would probably have talked to the owner of the property I was on to see what their opinion was with the intent of contacting the authorities. Unless, the property owner indicated that I would not be welcome back if doing so, might have to think twice then.
Post by: dscubame on October 15, 2012, 08:40:22 PM
Post by: EDT on October 15, 2012, 08:41:45 PM
On what grounds are you suggesting the cops are called on? He has the right to be carrying an AR or most any other type of gun for that matter. And to be protective of his fellow neighbors property is not a bad thing if he does not recognize the owner or permission granted.
He was trespassing and hunter harassment is illegal. Those grounds. Let the cops sort it out.
:yeah: And brandishing a weapon. I would probably have talked to the owner of the property I was on to see what their opinion was with the intent of contacting the authorities. Unless, the property owner indicated that I would not be welcome back if doing so, might have to think twice then.
I agree with lokidog.
Post by: sled on October 15, 2012, 08:43:48 PM
Post by: CAMPMEAT on October 15, 2012, 08:50:58 PM
Post by: Swannytheswan on October 15, 2012, 08:53:54 PM
You did the right thing, but he's lucky he didnt confront someone who felt their life was in danger!
:yeah: Just putting his hands on his weapon while telling you to leave is a threat. :bdid: I would have done the same thing you did and called the cops afterward.
Post by: Atroxus on October 15, 2012, 09:13:06 PM
Post by: Biggerhammer on October 15, 2012, 09:43:19 PM
Ya shudda thumped his ass and took his AR as a pre-christmas present. Cops won't do squat about it because they didn't see it. Your word, his word.
Hahaha! I like it.. :tup:
Post by: Gobble Doc on October 15, 2012, 10:22:35 PM
Post by: coachcw on October 16, 2012, 06:30:50 AM
Post by: jackmaster on October 16, 2012, 06:56:38 AM
Post by: boneaddict on October 16, 2012, 07:13:17 AM
Nice Coach.
I am really surprised more people don't end up TU out in the woods.
Post by: Kioti on October 16, 2012, 07:27:48 AM
Post by: Atroxus on October 16, 2012, 07:59:26 AM
coachcw...he gave you crap for being a vet..WTF!
I think he meant that the guy on the quad was a vet and was trying to use it as an excuse or defense for being an ass.
I have a lot of respect for vets in general, but like any group of people, some of them are jerks.
Post by: hntrspud on October 16, 2012, 08:03:51 AM
Post by: pianoman9701 on October 16, 2012, 08:06:30 AM
Call the Copsssss!
x2 Yep! Call them now.
Post by: CAMPMEAT on October 16, 2012, 10:38:25 AM
Post by: KFhunter on October 16, 2012, 10:52:53 AM
Had he done that to me I would have taken cover as he was approaching, someone holding an AR with aggresive posture racing towards you on an ATV spells trouble - duh huh? So ya I'd have been behind the biggest tree/rock I could find before he got off the ATV
Then if he stepped off and started yelling at me he'd have been doing it through my cross hairs and I would have been barking orders to drop the weapon and get on his belly. He would have complied, or left, or........
Soon as his hands made a move for the weapon - boom! center mass with 30-06
Post by: KFhunter on October 16, 2012, 10:55:33 AM
maybe it's time to pick up an AR-10 and hunt with that sucker geesh
Post by: ctwiggs1 on October 16, 2012, 11:03:01 AM
Oh and the law says if you are brandishing your weapon, your intent is to use it. He was WAY out of line.
Well done on diffusing the situation. You handled yourself well it sounds like
Post by: KFhunter on October 16, 2012, 11:06:37 AM
someone comes at me with an AR like described here, then he'll be doing so through my crosshairs and I'll be behind the best cover I can reach in the amount of time I have before he's on me.
Post by: Bigtine96 on October 16, 2012, 11:12:47 AM
Post by: Atroxus on October 16, 2012, 11:20:36 AM
It is actually illegal to defend property with deadly force. You can only defend human life with deadly force. He has every right to hold an AR, but no right to claim ownership over the animals or use deadly force to kick you off property that isn't his.
Oh and the law says if you are brandishing your weapon, your intent is to use it. He was WAY out of line.
Well done on diffusing the situation. You handled yourself well it sounds like
I also think he was better served diffusing the situation as he did. However I think you are mistaken about the deadly force part of your post.
Here is the RCW...
http://apps.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?Cite=9A.16.050 (http://apps.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?Cite=9A.16.050)
RCW 9A.16.050
Homicide — by other person — when justifiable.
Homicide is also justifiable when committed either:
(1) In the lawful defense of the slayer, or his or her husband, wife, parent, child, brother, or sister, or of any other person in his or her presence or company, when there is reasonable ground to apprehend a design on the part of the person slain to commit a felony or to do some great personal injury to the slayer or to any such person, and there is imminent danger of such design being accomplished; or
(2) In the actual resistance of an attempt to commit a felony upon the slayer, in his or her presence, or upon or in a dwelling, or other place of abode, in which he or she is.
If he had taken KFhunter's approach and the guy had continued advancing and/or refused to lower the weapon I would think there would be "reasonable ground to apprehend a design on the part of the person slain to commit a felony or to do some great personal injury to the slayer" :twocents:
(Note I am not a lawyer and this is a lay-persons opinion, not intended to be legal advice)
Post by: bassquatch on October 16, 2012, 12:01:45 PM
You did the right thing, but he's lucky he didnt confront someone who felt their life was in danger!
:yeah: If that AR muzzle would have raised one inch I would have double tapped his stupid worthless ass! :stup:
Post by: ctwiggs1 on October 16, 2012, 12:15:17 PM
I think you might have misunderstood what I typed.
ctwiggs1
Post by: Dustin07 on October 16, 2012, 01:01:37 PM
Post by: boneaddict on October 16, 2012, 01:09:41 PM
Post by: hornhunter1987 on October 16, 2012, 01:21:10 PM
Post by: arnoldmc1 on October 16, 2012, 01:59:18 PM
Post by: preacherman on October 16, 2012, 08:49:29 PM
I called the sheriff and explained the dilemma, he told me that his word against mine it would be hard for him to take any action unless one of us had called and he had arrived during the confrontation. Doubtful he would as AR guy has called the sheriff on me multiple time in the last two years, and last year the sheriff said if he called again to report trespassing on property that was no longer his, he would charge him with false report. So I guess this was him taking it into his own hands. The Sheriff did tell me that if he pulls that stunt again I should level my weapon on him and demand that he puts his in the dirt, the sheriff said if he does not, he has stated intent and I should proceed as "I feel is necessary." :yike:
I have taken 160-180 lbs. bucks there two years running and it is 5min. from my house. But I don't like the drama.
As far as handling myself I have dealt with several really hairy situations over the years and usually can stay pretty calm. AR to my 12ga benelli at that range, I believe that I in fact had the advantage. Only one way to find out, but let's not. :bdid:
Post by: coachcw on October 16, 2012, 08:52:41 PM
Post by: CAMPMEAT on October 16, 2012, 09:04:28 PM
I talked to the property owner about it. He said that he would rather not have any drama, as he holds this property for the intent of future development. The AR guy was the previous owner of the property, and was in fact born in the abandoned/colapsed farmhouse that is on the property. His fear is that as he proceeds with developing the property, the AR guy might cause issues. I think he will anyways, after the few run ins I have had with him.
I called the sheriff and explained the dilemma, he told me that his word against mine it would be hard for him to take any action unless one of us had called and he had arrived during the confrontation. Doubtful he would as AR guy has called the sheriff on me multiple time in the last two years, and last year the sheriff said if he called again to report trespassing on property that was no longer his, he would charge him with false report. So I guess this was him taking it into his own hands. The Sheriff did tell me that if he pulls that stunt again I should level my weapon on him and demand that he puts his in the dirt, the sheriff said if he does not, he has stated intent and I should proceed as "I feel is necessary." :yike:
I have taken 160-180 lbs. bucks there two years running and it is 5min. from my house. But I don't like the drama.
As far as handling myself I have dealt with several really hairy situations over the years and usually can stay pretty calm. AR to my 12ga benelli at that range, I believe that I in fact had the advantage. Only one way to find out, but let's not. :bdid:
Seems like I gave you the best answer................out of all posts on here about it. :chuckle:
Post by: Yelm hunter on October 16, 2012, 09:20:45 PM
On what grounds are you suggesting the cops are called on? He has the right to be carrying an AR or most any other type of gun for that matter. And to be protective of his fellow neighbors property is not a bad thing if he does not recognize the owner or permission granted.
The Neighbor was Tresspassing!! He also probably had a Loaded AR on a motorized Vehicle!! He was Harassing a Hunter which is Illegal!!!
Post by: preacherman on October 16, 2012, 09:40:16 PM
Post by: lokidog on October 16, 2012, 10:02:17 PM
There is a law against harassing a hunter? What is the RCW on that? that is a tidbit of info that I would like to tuck away!
I think this is it, quick google search... RCW 77.15.210
Post by: preacherman on October 17, 2012, 07:57:35 AM
Post by: preacherman on October 20, 2012, 03:58:31 PM
All of this drama has put me behind, I have hardly been able to hunt at all!
Post by: KFhunter on October 20, 2012, 04:25:33 PM
As much trouble as he's caused you I do not think he'll simply let this go now, he'll do *something*, if you're determined to hunt there then I'd take precautions.