Post by: cem3434 on October 18, 2012, 03:47:24 PM
So this morning, I got an email from them saying I was drawn for one of the 1/1-1/15 cow permits. :yike: I don't ever seem to be the "lucky" one, so it was kind of shocking to me that I was actually drawn. I will still be able to hunt Modern on the Westside, but I am excited to do a little elk hunting in January if I don't tag out on a bull in November.
Have any of you guys ever been drawn for one of these permits or hunted elk around the Turnbull National Wildlife Refuge? I want to educate myself on this area since I have never hunted any of their properties, so any pointers or information about this area would be appreciated.
Post by: HighCountryHunter88 on October 18, 2012, 04:02:55 PM
Post by: cem3434 on October 18, 2012, 04:07:12 PM
The email said that I will get a packet from them within the next week, so maybe I am being a little premature. The other cool thing is, if I fill my regular tag, then the permit is completely transferable to another hunter of my choice.
Post by: HighCountryHunter88 on October 18, 2012, 04:10:26 PM
Post by: quacksmoker on October 19, 2012, 02:37:45 PM
The internet is not your friend.
Post by: cem3434 on October 19, 2012, 02:46:12 PM
:bash: :bash: :bash:
The internet is not your friend.
I'm not sure what you mean by that. Would you care to elaborate?
Post by: PlateauNDN on October 19, 2012, 03:14:41 PM
:bash: :bash: :bash:
The internet is not your friend.
I'm not sure what you mean by that. Would you care to elaborate?
I believe he's referring to the maps not being updated/accurate, just my assumption? :dunno:
Post by: quacksmoker on October 19, 2012, 03:54:59 PM
:bash: :bash: :bash:
The internet is not your friend.
I'm not sure what you mean by that. Would you care to elaborate?
The more people that know, the less likely you will ever get "lucky" again. Bragging about it on the internet will only limit your chances and others of ever getting drawn in the future. You do realize that you just advertised limited, private land access permits around Turnbull WR. Do you not think anybody who reads this will not look into these hunts in the future?
Sorry for being the internet police, just seen many great opportunities like this destroyed because it was posted for the world to see. Either way have a good hunt. I believe that this is the first year offered and you will be assigned to a property. So nobody will likely have any information to help you, but now anyone who reads this knows about it.
Post by: WALLEYEGUY on October 19, 2012, 04:02:13 PM
Post by: Atroxus on October 19, 2012, 04:11:32 PM
:dunno:Why would letting more people know about something that primary purpose is to raise money for hunting access be a bad thing :twocents:
I guess they only think charity raffles are good if you can keep the number of donations down. That way the fewer who know it exists to donate the better odds they have of getting drawn.
Congrats on the draw though.
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Post by: quacksmoker on October 19, 2012, 04:31:47 PM
:dunno:Why would letting more people know about something that primary purpose is to raise money for hunting access be a bad thing :twocents:
How do you think this additional access is being funded? Pay to play on private ground. So families who may have hunted a property for years no longer have access because some one with $$$$$ now has it locked up. Before you know it, WA will be like Texas with everyone having to pay $$$ to access private land.
Post by: HighCountryHunter88 on October 19, 2012, 04:38:01 PM
Post by: cem3434 on October 19, 2012, 04:42:22 PM
:o wow pretty selfish stuff right there :dunno:
Agreed, besides these raffles are listed in the WDFW game pamphlet.
I didnt think this raffle was a big secret and like I said before, the CPWMA is trying to procure access to private lands for people to hunt. They actually have a free draw where anyone can put in for access to hunt the properties that they manage without ever paying a dime. Maybe I am missing something, but it seems like a good group for outdoorsman to support. :twocents:
Post by: WDFW Hates ME!!! on October 19, 2012, 04:43:17 PM
Just kidding of course. Seems kind of selfish if you ask me. Im deffinatly not puting in for it. To far to drive for a cow.
Post by: quacksmoker on October 19, 2012, 06:35:14 PM
:o wow pretty selfish stuff right there :dunno:
Agreed, besides these raffles are listed in the WDFW game pamphlet.
I didnt think this raffle was a big secret and like I said before, the CPWMA is trying to procure access to private lands for people to hunt. They actually have a free draw where anyone can put in for access to hunt the properties that they manage without ever paying a dime. Maybe I am missing something, but it seems like a good group for outdoorsman to support. :twocents:
Selfish? Yeah, definitely. But apparently the point is lost on a few of you. Good luck trying to access any of their properties next year. I have a feeling they will be a bit harder to get drawn. How many here would be willing to share the great opportunities in areas that they hunt? I'll be waiting for a pm.
Post by: Atroxus on October 19, 2012, 08:01:35 PM
:o wow pretty selfish stuff right there :dunno:
Agreed, besides these raffles are listed in the WDFW game pamphlet.
I didnt think this raffle was a big secret and like I said before, the CPWMA is trying to procure access to private lands for people to hunt. They actually have a free draw where anyone can put in for access to hunt the properties that they manage without ever paying a dime. Maybe I am missing something, but it seems like a good group for outdoorsman to support. :twocents:
Selfish? Yeah, definitely. But apparently the point is lost on a few of you. Good luck trying to access any of their properties next year. I have a feeling they will be a bit harder to get drawn. How many here would be willing to share the great opportunities in areas that they hunt? I'll be waiting for a pm.
I think you may be missing the point...there is a group of landowners allowing access to their private property for hunting, yet instead of being happy about that, you seem to be whining about having to share that access with other hunters. :cryriver:
I say good on them. So what if they have more hunters applying than they can give access to; it's still opportunities that would likely not have had otherwise. I tried to steal a similar idea from another forum member recently, but it looks like CPWMA is doing it way better than I could have hoped to on my own. :twocents:
Post by: quacksmoker on October 19, 2012, 08:44:10 PM
It's like someone coming on here and saying "I found this awesome Feel Free to Hunt area it's next to a huge wildlife refuge with monster bulls and to get access all you have to do is..." Now I bet if you hunted this same place you would be "Of F somebody just let the cat out of the bag." The last thing you would be doing is championing greater access for Washington Sportsman.
Post by: ellensburgpo on October 19, 2012, 08:49:22 PM
No, it becomes limited access for a very few. That's what I don't like. More competition leads to fewer hunting opportunities for myself. So next year the chance of me getting drawn is next to nothing. I understand this is selfish of me, but if you are so altruistic and want better/more opportunities for others to have good hunts, why don't you post your honey holes here for everyone to see? It would be selfish of you not to inform everyone where they might have a better chance at success.
It's like someone coming on here and saying "I found this awesome Feel Free to Hunt area it's next to a huge wildlife refuge with monster bulls and to get access all you have to do is..." Now I bet if you hunted this same place you would be "Of F somebody just let the cat out of the bag." The last thing you would be doing is championing greater access for Washington Sportsman.
Last time I checked this site was for hunters to try and help other hunters? I get what you're saying, but agree with the other guys. It's private land that the owners were nice enough to let people come hunt. It's their land and they get to make the decisions.
Post by: Atroxus on October 19, 2012, 08:56:36 PM
No, it becomes limited access for a very few. That's what I don't like. More competition leads to fewer hunting opportunities for myself. So next year the chance of me getting drawn is next to nothing. I understand this is selfish of me, but if you are so altruistic and want better/more opportunities for others to have good hunts, why don't you post your honey holes here for everyone to see? It would be selfish of you not to inform everyone where they might have a better chance at success.
It's like someone coming on here and saying "I found this awesome Feel Free to Hunt area it's next to a huge wildlife refuge with monster bulls and to get access all you have to do is..." Now I bet if you hunted this same place you would be "Of F somebody just let the cat out of the bag." The last thing you would be doing is championing greater access for Washington Sportsman.
Would be nice if I had a honey hole....I have yet to even see a deer or bear at any of the places I have scouted/hunted. If anyone wants to know where I hunt though I would be happy to share. I know there are critters there cause I have seen the poop and tracks.
Let me put it another way though, that organization is a non-profit that is providing value to the landowners in exchange for access to land. Are you really so selfish that instead of having a free chance of getting drawn for access you would rather they fold up due to lack of funding/support and have nobody get access at all? Or worse have those landowners start leasing the land exclusively to outfitters instead so you can pay for the privilege of hunting there?
Post by: quacksmoker on October 19, 2012, 08:58:30 PM
No, it becomes limited access for a very few. That's what I don't like. More competition leads to fewer hunting opportunities for myself. So next year the chance of me getting drawn is next to nothing. I understand this is selfish of me, but if you are so altruistic and want better/more opportunities for others to have good hunts, why don't you post your honey holes here for everyone to see? It would be selfish of you not to inform everyone where they might have a better chance at success.
It's like someone coming on here and saying "I found this awesome Feel Free to Hunt area it's next to a huge wildlife refuge with monster bulls and to get access all you have to do is..." Now I bet if you hunted this same place you would be "Of F somebody just let the cat out of the bag." The last thing you would be doing is championing greater access for Washington Sportsman.
Last time I checked this site was for hunters to try and help other hunters? I get what you're saying, but agree with the other guys. It's private land that the owners were nice enough to let people come hunt. It's their land and they get to make the decisions.
There is not much help that goes one here when it comes to other people offering specific advice or opportunities for places to hunt. If so, then it is usually done on pm and not posted openly. I have no problem with what these landowners are choosing to do, but one must understand the repercussions of creating the expectation that one must "pay to play" when hunting private property.
Once again, if you think posting specific places or opportunities on the Internet is a good thing, post the coordinates of your hunting spots or landowners that allow hunters to access their private property. I won't hold my breath.
Post by: runamuk on October 19, 2012, 09:07:43 PM
I dont even know where this is let alone care, its not a raffle I would ever buy a ticket for and I am betting not near as many as you think will suddenly buy them after all anyone who reads the raffle page has seen it :dunno:
good luck on your hunts, cool that you won something
Post by: ellensburgpo on October 19, 2012, 09:08:46 PM
It sounds like you had a good deal hunting private property for free and its gone now? That sucks, I've been in the same boat. I was lucky to get to hunt it for the years that I did and now somebody else is because the property sold. Oh well, I killed my best buck and bull ever this year so life goes on.
Post by: ellensburgpo on October 19, 2012, 09:10:24 PM
so this is a raffle hunt from page 83 in the regs? the last raffle on the list one for 13 antlerless and 1 bull :dunno: right there in every set of regs on or offline for every hunter who reads it to see :dunno: and how I do wonder is this a giant secret raffle??
I dont even know where this is let alone care, its not a raffle I would ever buy a ticket for and I am betting not near as many as you think will suddenly buy them after all anyone who reads the raffle page has seen it :dunno:
good luck on your hunts, cool that you won something
Thanks for reminding me run, it's advertised in the dang game regs for crying out loud and your worried about a thread on here....
Post by: quacksmoker on October 19, 2012, 09:14:08 PM
No, it becomes limited access for a very few. That's what I don't like. More competition leads to fewer hunting opportunities for myself. So next year the chance of me getting drawn is next to nothing. I understand this is selfish of me, but if you are so altruistic and want better/more opportunities for others to have good hunts, why don't you post your honey holes here for everyone to see? It would be selfish of you not to inform everyone where they might have a better chance at success.
It's like someone coming on here and saying "I found this awesome Feel Free to Hunt area it's next to a huge wildlife refuge with monster bulls and to get access all you have to do is..." Now I bet if you hunted this same place you would be "Of F somebody just let the cat out of the bag." The last thing you would be doing is championing greater access for Washington Sportsman.
Would be nice if I had a honey hole....I have yet to even see a deer or bear at any of the places I have scouted/hunted. If anyone wants to know where I hunt though I would be happy to share. I know there are critters there cause I have seen the poop and tracks.
Let me put it another way though, that organization is a non-profit that is providing value to the landowners in exchange for access to land. Are you really so selfish that instead of having a free chance of getting drawn for access you would rather they fold up due to lack of funding/support and have nobody get access at all? Or worse have those landowners start leasing the land exclusively to outfitters instead so you can pay for the privilege of hunting there?
I take it you're not familiar with the area. Without this organization one would just have to knock on some door and talk to landowners. Don't get me wrong, what these landowners are doing is great and the access they provide is awesome. They are providing opportunities for hunters and I appreciate that. Yes, I know it is selfish of me to try and preserve limited opportunities for east side elk next to a NWR.
One day you will find a great honey hole after burning $$$ in gas, time, and sweat. Then some *censored*r will come on here and say that he killed an awesome bull in so and so area and the following year it will be be covered in people. Maybe I'm jaded, but I've seen it before.
Post by: quacksmoker on October 19, 2012, 09:16:24 PM
so this is a raffle hunt from page 83 in the regs? the last raffle on the list one for 13 antlerless and 1 bull :dunno: right there in every set of regs on or offline for every hunter who reads it to see :dunno: and how I do wonder is this a giant secret raffle??
I dont even know where this is let alone care, its not a raffle I would ever buy a ticket for and I am betting not near as many as you think will suddenly buy them after all anyone who reads the raffle page has seen it :dunno:
good luck on your hunts, cool that you won something
Thanks for reminding me run, it's advertised in the dang game regs for crying out loud and your worried about a thread on here....
I take it you guys didn't read his subsequents posts and how many people do you think actually read the regs?
Post by: Huntbear on October 19, 2012, 09:20:07 PM
No, it becomes limited access for a very few. That's what I don't like. More competition leads to fewer hunting opportunities for myself. So next year the chance of me getting drawn is next to nothing. I understand this is selfish of me, but if you are so altruistic and want better/more opportunities for others to have good hunts, why don't you post your honey holes here for everyone to see? It would be selfish of you not to inform everyone where they might have a better chance at success.
It's like someone coming on here and saying "I found this awesome Feel Free to Hunt area it's next to a huge wildlife refuge with monster bulls and to get access all you have to do is..." Now I bet if you hunted this same place you would be "Of F somebody just let the cat out of the bag." The last thing you would be doing is championing greater access for Washington Sportsman.
Last time I checked this site was for hunters to try and help other hunters? I get what you're saying, but agree with the other guys. It's private land that the owners were nice enough to let people come hunt. It's their land and they get to make the decisions.
There is not much help that goes one here when it comes to other people offering specific advice or opportunities for places to hunt. If so, then it is usually done on pm and not posted openly. I have no problem with what these landowners are choosing to do, but one must understand the repercussions of creating the expectation that one must "pay to play" when hunting private property.
Once again, if you think posting specific places or opportunities on the Internet is a good thing, post the coordinates of your hunting spots or landowners that allow hunters to access their private property. I won't hold my breath.
UMMMMMMM.. just because it is not done PUBLICLY, there is a whole helluva lot of help going on behind the scenes.. I know information I gave out privately, helped 3 guys get elk, and another guy did not get his... but he was in the elk. OH, and these were ALL draw public land permits..
So take the holier than thou attitude down the road.. this site does more to help other hunters than any other I have ever seen...
Oh, and if you want my honey hole.. it is C-Post. :chuckle: :chuckle:
Hell, maybe I will lower your odds next year, just put in for one of those tags.. why not, I like to eat elk.
Post by: quacksmoker on October 19, 2012, 09:23:58 PM
No, it becomes limited access for a very few. That's what I don't like. More competition leads to fewer hunting opportunities for myself. So next year the chance of me getting drawn is next to nothing. I understand this is selfish of me, but if you are so altruistic and want better/more opportunities for others to have good hunts, why don't you post your honey holes here for everyone to see? It would be selfish of you not to inform everyone where they might have a better chance at success.
It's like someone coming on here and saying "I found this awesome Feel Free to Hunt area it's next to a huge wildlife refuge with monster bulls and to get access all you have to do is..." Now I bet if you hunted this same place you would be "Of F somebody just let the cat out of the bag." The last thing you would be doing is championing greater access for Washington Sportsman.
Last time I checked this site was for hunters to try and help other hunters? I get what you're saying, but agree with the other guys. It's private land that the owners were nice enough to let people come hunt. It's their land and they get to make the decisions.
There is not much help that goes one here when it comes to other people offering specific advice or opportunities for places to hunt. If so, then it is usually done on pm and not posted openly. I have no problem with what these landowners are choosing to do, but one must understand the repercussions of creating the expectation that one must "pay to play" when hunting private property.
Once again, if you think posting specific places or opportunities on the Internet is a good thing, post the coordinates of your hunting spots or landowners that allow hunters to access their private property. I won't hold my breath.
UMMMMMMM.. just because it is not done PUBLICLY, there is a whole helluva lot of help going on behind the scenes.. I know information I gave out privately, helped 3 guys get elk, and another guy did not get his... but he was in the elk. OH, and these were ALL draw public land permits..
So take the holier than thou attitude down the road.. this site does more to help other hunters than any other I have ever seen...
Oh, and if you want my honey hole.. it is C-Post. :chuckle: :chuckle:
Hell, maybe I will lower your odds next year, just put in for one of those tags.. why not, I like to eat elk.
Seriously? I see you have trouble with reading comprehension, why don't you slow down and read. I said it is done via pm. If you have no trouble with the open sharing of hunting areas and opportunities, post them up for the world to see.
Post by: Huntbear on October 19, 2012, 09:31:13 PM
I am just pointing out, there is a whole hell of a lot of help that happens on this site. HOWEVER, bitching about someone posting on a public forum about a public raffle tag, that is in the PUBLIC hunting regs, for the entire HUNTING PUBLIC to READ.. is pretty pathetic.
just my :twocents:
and I do not post all my help in public because I like that I can help behind the scenes, and then read the success stories after the fact, and read how they followed my advice and were successful. That said, they still had to get drawn, before they got the info, and actually put the shoe leather on the ground, to earn the animal.
Post by: ellensburgpo on October 19, 2012, 09:32:00 PM
Post by: ellensburgpo on October 19, 2012, 09:33:42 PM
My reading comprehension is just fine.. been at a college level since I was 12 years old...
I am just pointing out, there is a whole hell of a lot of help that happens on this site. HOWEVER, bitching about someone posting on a public forum about a public raffle tag, that is in the PUBLIC hunting regs, for the entire HUNTING PUBLIC to READ.. is pretty pathetic.
just my :twocents:
and I do not post all my help in public because I like that I can help behind the scenes, and then read the success stories after the fact, and read how they followed my advice and were successful. That said, they still had to get drawn, before they got the info, and actually put the shoe leather on the ground, to earn the animal.
:yeah:
Not to mention that by flaming out over this you have ensured that this thread will get ten times as many views as it would have.
Post by: quacksmoker on October 19, 2012, 09:44:18 PM
My reading comprehension is just fine.. been at a college level since I was 12 years old...
I am just pointing out, there is a whole hell of a lot of help that happens on this site. HOWEVER, bitching about someone posting on a public forum about a public raffle tag, that is in the PUBLIC hunting regs, for the entire HUNTING PUBLIC to READ.. is pretty pathetic.
just my :twocents:
and I do not post all my help in public because I like that I can help behind the scenes, and then read the success stories after the fact, and read how they followed my advice and were successful. That said, they still had to get drawn, before they got the info, and actually put the shoe leather on the ground, to earn the animal.
Once again, you're reading comp is suffering. Read the thread! Plz tell us where these great opportunities on draw only areas are. I need to know where to put in.
Post by: quacksmoker on October 19, 2012, 09:45:59 PM
My reading comprehension is just fine.. been at a college level since I was 12 years old...
I am just pointing out, there is a whole hell of a lot of help that happens on this site. HOWEVER, bitching about someone posting on a public forum about a public raffle tag, that is in the PUBLIC hunting regs, for the entire HUNTING PUBLIC to READ.. is pretty pathetic.
just my :twocents:
and I do not post all my help in public because I like that I can help behind the scenes, and then read the success stories after the fact, and read how they followed my advice and were successful. That said, they still had to get drawn, before they got the info, and actually put the shoe leather on the ground, to earn the animal.
:yeah:
Not to mention that by flaming out over this you have ensured that this thread will get ten times as many views as it would have.
The damage has already been done.
Post by: ellensburgpo on October 19, 2012, 09:56:17 PM
There are lots of people on here who offer advice, some of it very specific. I don't think I'll bother posting coordinates to the family farm because there is a zero percent chance of a random person getting on it. The pay to play idea has been happening on lots of areas for a long time. I get where your coming from, but there isn't exactly a shortage of places to hunt in this state, public or private. Comparing Washington and Texas doesn't make sense to me because they are two very different situations.
It sounds like you had a good deal hunting private property for free and its gone now? That sucks, I've been in the same boat. I was lucky to get to hunt it for the years that I did and now somebody else is because the property sold. Oh well, I killed my best buck and bull ever this year so life goes on.
Post up the coordinates to the family farm, it's only right that everyone at least has the ability to attempt to gain access. More opportunities for everyone right?
I can already tell you the answer, no. Like huntbear said, your posts have been pretty pathetic. Everybody on here has probably lost an area to one reason or another. You came looking for a pity party and nobody's attending.
Post by: HighCountryHunter88 on October 19, 2012, 10:57:07 PM
No, it becomes limited access for a very few. That's what I don't like. More competition leads to fewer hunting opportunities for myself. So next year the chance of me getting drawn is next to nothing. I understand this is selfish of me, but if you are so altruistic and want better/more opportunities for others to have good hunts, why don't you post your honey holes here for everyone to see? It would be selfish of you not to inform everyone where they might have a better chance at success.
It's like someone coming on here and saying "I found this awesome Feel Free to Hunt area it's next to a huge wildlife refuge with monster bulls and to get access all you have to do is..." Now I bet if you hunted this same place you would be "Of F somebody just let the cat out of the bag." The last thing you would be doing is championing greater access for Washington Sportsman.
Would be nice if I had a honey hole....I have yet to even see a deer or bear at any of the places I have scouted/hunted. If anyone wants to know where I hunt though I would be happy to share. I know there are critters there cause I have seen the poop and tracks.
Let me put it another way though, that organization is a non-profit that is providing value to the landowners in exchange for access to land. Are you really so selfish that instead of having a free chance of getting drawn for access you would rather they fold up due to lack of funding/support and have nobody get access at all? Or worse have those landowners start leasing the land exclusively to outfitters instead so you can pay for the privilege of hunting there?
I take it you're not familiar with the area. Without this organization one would just have to knock on some door and talk to landowners. Don't get me wrong, what these landowners are doing is great and the access they provide is awesome. They are providing opportunities for hunters and I appreciate that. Yes, I know it is selfish of me to try and preserve limited opportunities for east side elk next to a NWR.
One day you will find a great honey hole after burning $$$ in gas, time, and sweat. Then some *censored*r will come on here and say that he killed an awesome bull in so and so area and the following year it will be be covered in people. Maybe I'm jaded, but I've seen it before.
Post by: NWBREW on October 20, 2012, 02:15:58 AM
Post by: Dan-o on October 20, 2012, 02:51:00 AM
That might keep some people off my secret raffle that's advertised in the regs......
Post by: Scottystyle on October 20, 2012, 11:07:16 PM
Quacksmokere, have a coke and a smile...it'll be ok...
Is it have a coke or snort some coke? I think that already happened :chuckle: Im curious where Quacksmoker hunts, I dunno if I would feel safe in the woods with this dude.... Just sayin :dunno:
Post by: EDT on October 21, 2012, 07:11:30 PM
Opps, I just bumped this so more people can see it ;)
Post by: HUNTINCOUPLE on October 21, 2012, 07:25:17 PM
Post by: jrod on October 21, 2012, 07:36:07 PM
Awhile back, I bought a few raffle tickets for one of the January cow hunts over outside of the Turnbull National Wildlife Refuge through the Columbia Plateau Wildlife Management Association. I learned about the CPWMA from a friend of mine and purchased the tickets because the money goes to help procure access for outdoorsman on several different properties around Cheney that CPWMA manages. I thought it was a worth while group, so I decided to give away a few dollars to help a good cause..
So this morning, I got an email from them saying I was drawn for one of the 1/1-1/15 cow permits. :yike: I don't ever seem to be the "lucky" one, so it was kind of
shocking to me that I was actually drawn. I will still be able to hunt Modern on the Westside, but I am excited to do a little elk hunting in January if I don't tag out on a bull in November.
Have any of you guys ever been drawn for one of these permits or hunted elk around the Turnbull National Wildlife Refuge? I want to educate myself on this area since I have never hunted any of their properties, so any pointers or information about this area would be appreciated.
Weren't u raisin hell on here not 2 long ago about people gettin drawn & fishin fer info on areas they had no idea about?? Typical fer a rich coastie ta buy a B.S cow elk raffle tag anyway!!!
Post by: quacksmoker on October 21, 2012, 08:16:39 PM
Let's switch roles for a moment. Say you found a nice piece of state land, a good feel free to hunt area, or a unique opportunity to access private land. Yes the information is public knowledge but it takes some effort to find. Then some one comes on here and provides detailed information about it. Would you be happy? Would it be childish to want to keep this information quiet? The impression I am getting is that all this information should be shared openly.
If you have no problem, post up your hunting spots. This forum is meant to help hunters and by posting it openly you will allow other hunters to find a good hunting spot. If you wouldn't want this information to be shared to thousands of hunters, then I suggest you reevaluate your opinions.
Flame away. If makes no difference to me. Is it selfish of me to not want this information shared publicly? Yes, but who would be happy if their hunting opportunities were limited because of a stupid post on the internet? It was probably a poor decision on my part to even mention something in the first place, but the title of the thread alone made it to the front page of Google.
I'm done with this, but look forward to all the new threads detailing how to access your hunting areas.
Post by: ellensburgpo on October 21, 2012, 08:21:16 PM
Post by: Atroxus on October 21, 2012, 08:26:24 PM
Let's switch roles for a moment. Say you found a nice piece of state land, a good feel free to hunt area, or a unique opportunity to access private land. Yes the information is public knowledge but it takes some effort to find. Then some one comes on here and provides detailed information about it. Would you be happy? Would it be childish to want to keep this information quiet? The impression I am getting is that all this information should be shared openly.
You are comparing apples to oranges. The land for these raffle hunts is not state land, it is private land; and its not feel free to hunt, it's hunt by permit only. More people finding out about the raffle might reduce odds of getting drawn, but the flip side is more funding for that organization could also mean that they continue operating and getting more opportunities for hunters to get access to private land.
Post by: quacksmoker on October 21, 2012, 08:28:43 PM
Post by: ellensburgpo on October 21, 2012, 08:31:48 PM
Post by: firefighter4607 on October 21, 2012, 08:40:21 PM
Ohh by the way guys did you know that the watershed, Dayton, wenaha, and Colockum units have elk in them??? :yike: Oh yeah eveyone know that and guess what it is in the regs. Just like this cow permit!
quacksmoker are you mad you didn't get drawn for this hunt or what? I have put in the watershed the last 6 years but I don't go rant on people post who show their success or ask for information on the unit because I am happy someone got drawn. You might want to hit every thread on here that are posting locations and b**ch them out also. :bdid:
Post by: quacksmoker on October 21, 2012, 08:48:24 PM
Post by: firefighter4607 on October 21, 2012, 09:10:01 PM
The more people that know, the less likely you will ever get "lucky" again. Bragging about it on the internet will only limit your chances and others of ever getting drawn in the future. You do realize that you just advertised limited, private land access permits around Turnbull WR. Do you not think anybody who reads this will not look into these hunts in the future?The "Units" I refered to are drawn units! Don't see much difference between what you quoted above. So I am not sure how you can say that CPWMA permit is any different that a branch antler permit. The only difference is where and whom owns the land.
Yeah you are right. I think you are the only one that seems to understand your whining. You didn't get drawn so get over it! :beatdeadhorse: Maybe you should stick with "Speak Your Mind" Topics.
Post by: quacksmoker on October 21, 2012, 09:35:43 PM
Post by: Dan-o on October 21, 2012, 09:41:31 PM
I'm starting to get pretty interested.
Post by: cem3434 on October 22, 2012, 08:12:41 AM
Awhile back, I bought a few raffle tickets for one of the January cow hunts over outside of the Turnbull National Wildlife Refuge through the Columbia Plateau Wildlife Management Association. I learned about the CPWMA from a friend of mine and purchased the tickets because the money goes to help procure access for outdoorsman on several different properties around Cheney that CPWMA manages. I thought it was a worth while group, so I decided to give away a few dollars to help a good cause..
So this morning, I got an email from them saying I was drawn for one of the 1/1-1/15 cow permits. :yike: I don't ever seem to be the "lucky" one, so it was kind of
shocking to me that I was actually drawn. I will still be able to hunt Modern on the Westside, but I am excited to do a little elk hunting in January if I don't tag out on a bull in November.
Have any of you guys ever been drawn for one of these permits or hunted elk around the Turnbull National Wildlife Refuge? I want to educate myself on this area since I have never hunted any of their properties, so any pointers or information about this area would be appreciated.
Weren't u raisin hell on here not 2 long ago about people gettin drawn & fishin fer info on areas they had no idea about?? Typical fer a rich coastie ta buy a B.S cow elk raffle tag anyway!!!
Not me, you must be thinking of someone else. I have no problem with people putting in for new areas and learning new areas. I have helped several other members out and will continue to do so in the future because one or two bad apples doesn't make everyone on here bad.
I do have a problem with someone's first post on this site being.....I got drawn and I need someone to tie up and animal for me and drag it out after I shoot it. There are a lot of good members on here that are willing to help one another out, but you got to put a little skin in the game as well.
Anyways, I guess I don't have to worry about you putting in for this tag in the future since its a "B.S. cow elk raffle tag anyway". Sorry I donated some money trying to help ensure that there is private lands to hunt in the Cheney area and I accidentally pulled a tag. Ideally, I would have pulled a cow tag closer to home, but I enjoy eating elk and I cant help that I was drawn.
By the way, if I am a rich coastie, then we must all be millionaires!
Post by: cem3434 on October 22, 2012, 09:01:07 AM
And if a draw unit went from 1:10 chance of being drawn to a 1:20 chance because of a post on the Internet post, I don't think you would like it. Its the difference between waiting 10 years or 20 years to draw a tag. Ownership of land is not important, its the ability to access it, which you fail to understand. FYI, I didn't even put in for the raffle, why would I pay when already have private access.
I guess that is the biggest difference between you and me. You are more worried about when you will draw a permit, whereas I am more worried about having the opportunity to draw one of these permits again. Ownership of the land does play a critical part in this entire equation. Without CPWMA working together with several land owners, none of these permits would be available to the general public.
You sound like you are a little sour about having more hunters in your stomping grounds, which I can appreciate but we have all dealt with it in one way or another. You have been fortunate to have access to private property in that area, but most other hunters aren't. I understand that you put in some foot work and this is a relatively easy way to get access without knocking on any doors. Does that mean that other people are less deserving of being able to hunt this area?
I will continue to support groups that are procuring access to property and ensuring future access for all outdoorsmen.