Columbia Plateau Wildlife Management Association Cow Permit

[Atroxus]

  wow pretty selfish stuff right there 

Agreed, besides these raffles are listed in the WDFW game pamphlet. 

I didnt think this raffle was a big secret and like I said before, the CPWMA is trying to procure access to private lands for people to hunt.  They actually have a free draw where anyone can put in for access to hunt the properties that they manage without ever paying a dime.  Maybe I am missing something, but it seems like a good group for outdoorsman to support. 

Selfish? Yeah, definitely. But apparently the point is lost on a few of you. Good luck trying to access any of their properties next year. I have a feeling they will be a bit harder to get drawn. How many here would be willing to share the great opportunities in areas that they hunt? I'll be waiting for a pm.

I think you may be missing the point...there is a group of landowners allowing access to their private property for hunting, yet instead of being happy about that, you seem to be whining about having to share that access with other hunters.

I say good on them. So what if they have more hunters applying than they can give access to; it's still opportunities that would likely not have had otherwise.  I tried to steal a similar idea from another forum member recently, but it looks like CPWMA is doing it way better than I could have hoped to on my own. 

[quacksmoker]

No, it becomes limited access for a very few. That's what I don't like. More competition leads to fewer hunting opportunities for myself. So next year the chance of me getting drawn is next to nothing. I understand this is selfish of me, but if you are so altruistic and want better/more opportunities for others to have good hunts, why  don't you post your honey holes here for everyone to see? It would be selfish of you not to inform everyone where they might have a better chance at success.

It's like someone coming on here and saying "I found this awesome Feel Free to Hunt area it's next to a huge wildlife refuge with monster bulls and to get access all you have to do is..." Now I bet if you hunted this same place you would be "Of F somebody just let the cat out of the bag." The last thing you would be doing is championing greater access for Washington Sportsman.

[ellensburgpo]

No, it becomes limited access for a very few. That's what I don't like. More competition leads to fewer hunting opportunities for myself. So next year the chance of me getting drawn is next to nothing. I understand this is selfish of me, but if you are so altruistic and want better/more opportunities for others to have good hunts, why  don't you post your honey holes here for everyone to see? It would be selfish of you not to inform everyone where they might have a better chance at success.

It's like someone coming on here and saying "I found this awesome Feel Free to Hunt area it's next to a huge wildlife refuge with monster bulls and to get access all you have to do is..." Now I bet if you hunted this same place you would be "Of F somebody just let the cat out of the bag." The last thing you would be doing is championing greater access for Washington Sportsman.

Last time I checked this site was for hunters to try and help other hunters? I get what you're saying, but agree with the other guys. It's private land that the owners were nice enough to let people come hunt. It's their land and they get to make the decisions.

[Atroxus]

No, it becomes limited access for a very few. That's what I don't like. More competition leads to fewer hunting opportunities for myself. So next year the chance of me getting drawn is next to nothing. I understand this is selfish of me, but if you are so altruistic and want better/more opportunities for others to have good hunts, why  don't you post your honey holes here for everyone to see? It would be selfish of you not to inform everyone where they might have a better chance at success.

It's like someone coming on here and saying "I found this awesome Feel Free to Hunt area it's next to a huge wildlife refuge with monster bulls and to get access all you have to do is..." Now I bet if you hunted this same place you would be "Of F somebody just let the cat out of the bag." The last thing you would be doing is championing greater access for Washington Sportsman.

Would be nice if I had a honey hole....I have yet to even see a deer or bear at any of the places I have scouted/hunted. If anyone wants to know where I hunt though I would be happy to share. I know there are critters there cause I have seen the poop and tracks.

Let me put it another way though, that organization is a non-profit that is providing value to the landowners in exchange for access to land. Are you really so selfish that instead of having a free chance of getting drawn for access you would rather they fold up due to lack of funding/support and have nobody get access at all? Or worse have those landowners start leasing the land exclusively to outfitters instead so you can pay for the privilege of hunting there?

[quacksmoker]

No, it becomes limited access for a very few. That's what I don't like. More competition leads to fewer hunting opportunities for myself. So next year the chance of me getting drawn is next to nothing. I understand this is selfish of me, but if you are so altruistic and want better/more opportunities for others to have good hunts, why  don't you post your honey holes here for everyone to see? It would be selfish of you not to inform everyone where they might have a better chance at success.

It's like someone coming on here and saying "I found this awesome Feel Free to Hunt area it's next to a huge wildlife refuge with monster bulls and to get access all you have to do is..." Now I bet if you hunted this same place you would be "Of F somebody just let the cat out of the bag." The last thing you would be doing is championing greater access for Washington Sportsman.

Last time I checked this site was for hunters to try and help other hunters? I get what you're saying, but agree with the other guys. It's private land that the owners were nice enough to let people come hunt. It's their land and they get to make the decisions.

There is not much help that goes one here when it comes to other people offering specific advice or opportunities for places to hunt. If so, then it is usually done on pm and not posted openly. I have no problem with what these landowners are choosing to do, but one must understand the repercussions of creating the expectation that one must "pay to play" when hunting private property.

Once again, if you think posting specific places or opportunities on the Internet is a good thing, post the coordinates of your hunting spots or landowners that allow hunters to access their private property. I won't hold my breath.

[runamuk]

so this is a raffle hunt from page 83 in the regs?  the last raffle on the list one for 13 antlerless and 1 bull  right there in every set of regs on or offline for every hunter who reads it to see  and how I do wonder is this a giant secret raffle??

I dont even know where this is let alone care, its not a raffle I would ever buy a ticket for and I am betting not near as many as you think will suddenly buy them after all anyone who reads the raffle page has seen it

good luck on your hunts, cool that you won something

[ellensburgpo]

There are lots of people on here who offer advice, some of it very specific. I don't think I'll bother posting coordinates to the family farm because there is a zero percent chance of a random person getting on it. The pay to play idea has been happening on lots of areas for a long time. I get where your coming from, but there isn't exactly a shortage of places to hunt in this state, public or private. Comparing Washington and Texas doesn't make sense to me because they are two very different situations.

It sounds like you had a good deal hunting private property for free and its gone now? That sucks, I've been in the same boat. I was lucky to get to hunt it for the years that I did and now somebody else is because the property sold. Oh well, I killed my best buck and bull ever this year so life goes on.

[ellensburgpo]

so this is a raffle hunt from page 83 in the regs?  the last raffle on the list one for 13 antlerless and 1 bull  right there in every set of regs on or offline for every hunter who reads it to see  and how I do wonder is this a giant secret raffle??

I dont even know where this is let alone care, its not a raffle I would ever buy a ticket for and I am betting not near as many as you think will suddenly buy them after all anyone who reads the raffle page has seen it

good luck on your hunts, cool that you won something

Thanks for reminding me run, it's advertised in the dang game regs for crying out loud and your worried about a thread on here....

[quacksmoker]

No, it becomes limited access for a very few. That's what I don't like. More competition leads to fewer hunting opportunities for myself. So next year the chance of me getting drawn is next to nothing. I understand this is selfish of me, but if you are so altruistic and want better/more opportunities for others to have good hunts, why  don't you post your honey holes here for everyone to see? It would be selfish of you not to inform everyone where they might have a better chance at success.

It's like someone coming on here and saying "I found this awesome Feel Free to Hunt area it's next to a huge wildlife refuge with monster bulls and to get access all you have to do is..." Now I bet if you hunted this same place you would be "Of F somebody just let the cat out of the bag." The last thing you would be doing is championing greater access for Washington Sportsman.

Would be nice if I had a honey hole....I have yet to even see a deer or bear at any of the places I have scouted/hunted. If anyone wants to know where I hunt though I would be happy to share. I know there are critters there cause I have seen the poop and tracks.

Let me put it another way though, that organization is a non-profit that is providing value to the landowners in exchange for access to land. Are you really so selfish that instead of having a free chance of getting drawn for access you would rather they fold up due to lack of funding/support and have nobody get access at all? Or worse have those landowners start leasing the land exclusively to outfitters instead so you can pay for the privilege of hunting there?

I take it you're not familiar with the area. Without this organization one would just have to knock on some door and talk to landowners. Don't get me wrong, what these landowners are doing is great and the access they provide is awesome. They are providing opportunities for hunters and I appreciate that. Yes, I know it is selfish of me to try and preserve limited opportunities for east side elk next to a NWR.

One day you will find a great honey hole after burning $$$ in gas, time, and sweat. Then some *censored*r will come on here and say that he killed an awesome bull in so and so area and the following year it will be be covered in people. Maybe I'm jaded, but I've seen it before.

[quacksmoker]

so this is a raffle hunt from page 83 in the regs?  the last raffle on the list one for 13 antlerless and 1 bull  right there in every set of regs on or offline for every hunter who reads it to see  and how I do wonder is this a giant secret raffle??

I dont even know where this is let alone care, its not a raffle I would ever buy a ticket for and I am betting not near as many as you think will suddenly buy them after all anyone who reads the raffle page has seen it

good luck on your hunts, cool that you won something

Thanks for reminding me run, it's advertised in the dang game regs for crying out loud and your worried about a thread on here....

I take it you guys didn't read his subsequents posts and how many people do you think actually read the regs?

[Huntbear]

No, it becomes limited access for a very few. That's what I don't like. More competition leads to fewer hunting opportunities for myself. So next year the chance of me getting drawn is next to nothing. I understand this is selfish of me, but if you are so altruistic and want better/more opportunities for others to have good hunts, why  don't you post your honey holes here for everyone to see? It would be selfish of you not to inform everyone where they might have a better chance at success.

It's like someone coming on here and saying "I found this awesome Feel Free to Hunt area it's next to a huge wildlife refuge with monster bulls and to get access all you have to do is..." Now I bet if you hunted this same place you would be "Of F somebody just let the cat out of the bag." The last thing you would be doing is championing greater access for Washington Sportsman.

Last time I checked this site was for hunters to try and help other hunters? I get what you're saying, but agree with the other guys. It's private land that the owners were nice enough to let people come hunt. It's their land and they get to make the decisions.

There is not much help that goes one here when it comes to other people offering specific advice or opportunities for places to hunt. If so, then it is usually done on pm and not posted openly. I have no problem with what these landowners are choosing to do, but one must understand the repercussions of creating the expectation that one must "pay to play" when hunting private property.

Once again, if you think posting specific places or opportunities on the Internet is a good thing, post the coordinates of your hunting spots or landowners that allow hunters to access their private property. I won't hold my breath.

UMMMMMMM.. just because it is not done PUBLICLY, there is a whole helluva lot of help going on behind the scenes.. I know information I gave out privately, helped 3 guys get elk, and another guy did not get his...  but he was in the elk.    OH, and these were ALL draw public land permits..

So take the holier than thou attitude down the road.. this site does more to help other hunters than any other I have ever seen...

Oh, and if you want my honey hole.. it is C-Post.     

Hell, maybe I will lower your odds next year, just put in for one of those tags..  why not, I like to eat elk.

[quacksmoker]

No, it becomes limited access for a very few. That's what I don't like. More competition leads to fewer hunting opportunities for myself. So next year the chance of me getting drawn is next to nothing. I understand this is selfish of me, but if you are so altruistic and want better/more opportunities for others to have good hunts, why  don't you post your honey holes here for everyone to see? It would be selfish of you not to inform everyone where they might have a better chance at success.

It's like someone coming on here and saying "I found this awesome Feel Free to Hunt area it's next to a huge wildlife refuge with monster bulls and to get access all you have to do is..." Now I bet if you hunted this same place you would be "Of F somebody just let the cat out of the bag." The last thing you would be doing is championing greater access for Washington Sportsman.

Last time I checked this site was for hunters to try and help other hunters? I get what you're saying, but agree with the other guys. It's private land that the owners were nice enough to let people come hunt. It's their land and they get to make the decisions.

There is not much help that goes one here when it comes to other people offering specific advice or opportunities for places to hunt. If so, then it is usually done on pm and not posted openly. I have no problem with what these landowners are choosing to do, but one must understand the repercussions of creating the expectation that one must "pay to play" when hunting private property.

Once again, if you think posting specific places or opportunities on the Internet is a good thing, post the coordinates of your hunting spots or landowners that allow hunters to access their private property. I won't hold my breath.

UMMMMMMM.. just because it is not done PUBLICLY, there is a whole helluva lot of help going on behind the scenes.. I know information I gave out privately, helped 3 guys get elk, and another guy did not get his...  but he was in the elk.    OH, and these were ALL draw public land permits..

So take the holier than thou attitude down the road.. this site does more to help other hunters than any other I have ever seen...

Oh, and if you want my honey hole.. it is C-Post.     

Hell, maybe I will lower your odds next year, just put in for one of those tags..  why not, I like to eat elk.

Seriously? I see you have trouble with reading comprehension, why don't you slow down and read. I said it is done via pm. If you have no trouble with the open sharing of hunting areas and opportunities, post them up for the world to see.

[Huntbear]

My reading comprehension is just fine.. been at a college level since I was 12 years old...

I am just pointing out, there is a whole hell of a lot of help that happens on this site.  HOWEVER, bitching about someone posting on a public forum about a public raffle tag, that is in the PUBLIC hunting regs, for the entire HUNTING PUBLIC to READ.. is pretty pathetic.

just my 

and I do not post all my help in public because I like that I can help behind the scenes, and then read the success stories after the fact, and read how they followed my advice and were successful.  That said, they still had to get drawn, before they got the info,  and actually put the shoe leather on the ground, to earn the animal.

[ellensburgpo]

Quacksmokere, have a coke and a smile...it'll be ok...

[ellensburgpo]

My reading comprehension is just fine.. been at a college level since I was 12 years old...

I am just pointing out, there is a whole hell of a lot of help that happens on this site.  HOWEVER, bitching about someone posting on a public forum about a public raffle tag, that is in the PUBLIC hunting regs, for the entire HUNTING PUBLIC to READ.. is pretty pathetic.

just my 

and I do not post all my help in public because I like that I can help behind the scenes, and then read the success stories after the fact, and read how they followed my advice and were successful.  That said, they still had to get drawn, before they got the info,  and actually put the shoe leather on the ground, to earn the animal.

 

Not to mention that by flaming out over this you have ensured that this thread will get ten times as many views as it would have.