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Title: DPF delete?
Post by: Lungbuster on November 07, 2012, 11:58:58 PM: Has anyone done one of these to their trucks? I am curious as to if the mileage does increase? I am not looking to get get a tuner and make it a "hot rod" truck, just would like to get better mileage.
Title: Re: DPF delete?
Post by: firefighter4607 on November 08, 2012, 12:28:14 AM: I believe that with the DPF delete you will have to get some sort of tuner. It will program the truck's computer to not dump fuel or DPF fluid into the exhaust. Also you might have to do the EGR valve delete. Just because you buy a tuner you don't have to set it to the highest power setting, you can always leave it at stock settings.

What truck are you wanting to do this to? It will help others help you on this subject because each engine is different.
Title: Re: DPF delete?
Post by: Lungbuster on November 08, 2012, 01:02:15 AM: 6.4 powerstroke. I know the kits disable the dpf and egr. Also have to do the exhaust and an intake i believe. which is fine because I was planning on doing that anyways
Title: Re: DPF delete?
Post by: mkcj on November 08, 2012, 01:55:34 AM: A lot of guys on cummins forums are saying they get 3 to 4 MPG increase. I have a '12 dodge with the new HO engine and it makes me sick every time I change my oil! it's black as night the day after changing it and it smells like fuel from the EGR. Word is look into EFI live also.
Title: Re: DPF delete?
Post by: jackelope on November 08, 2012, 05:37:04 AM: Quote from: mkcj on November 08, 2012, 01:55:34 AM
A lot of guys on cummins forums are saying they get 3 to 4 MPG increase. I have a '12 dodge with the new HO engine and it makes me sick every time I change my oil! it's black as night the day after changing it and it smells like fuel from the EGR. Word is look into EFI live also.
Oil in diesels is always black. Normal.
If you do the delete you have to have a programmer. You have to trick the truck into thinking all the emissions stuff is still there. It's expensive to do unless you have the means to do it yourself. You should also expect to have problems getting people to work on the truck once it's done. We are not even supposed to bring them in at all with these mods.
Title: Re: DPF delete?
Post by: atc250r18 on November 08, 2012, 07:51:42 AM: I get 19 mpg on the freeway in my 6.7 cummins with my h&s mini max. I've got a 6" lift and 35's. Stock with emissions I was getting 16mpgs hwy, 12 driving to work.

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Title: DPF delete?
Post by: jackelope on November 08, 2012, 08:29:02 AM: You will get better mpg's for sure but I think the biggest benefit is performance improvements. You'll spend $2500 to have a shop do the delete setup. Does it make sense to spend that money to save money on fuel?? If you have to worry about emissions test you may want to look into it a little further too.
Title: Re: DPF delete?
Post by: MuleySniper on November 08, 2012, 08:40:00 AM: Yup did mine myself along with an EGR delete. Made a HUGE difference in fuel mileage.
MS
Title: Re: DPF delete?
Post by: Lungbuster on November 08, 2012, 11:48:11 PM: Well fuel milage will be nice. I am running 37's so the extra HP will be nice. I have just heard that if the DPF goes out it is like 5-6K to replace/fix. I have not researched that yet , so why not spend the 2k and just delete it. Plus with the tuner I can change for the bigger tires. Plus I was told that if you change it to stock settings it will pass emissions.
Title: DPF delete?
Post by: jackelope on November 09, 2012, 05:58:27 AM: The DPF is covered under warranty for a long time. 100k miles. You won't pass emissions i dont think because you don't have any emissions on the truck. They test opacity with diesels. How much smoke or how thick the smoke is from tailpipe. I think what you're going to see is your truck is supposed to have no smoke from the tailpipe. When you do the delete it will blow smoke. Is just some smoke too much on a truck that is supposed to have none?? Don't know. DPF trucks are mostly too new in WA for emissions tests. It will be interesting to see what happens in the next few years. We were told at school $30k fines if we work on them. I can tell you they stink like a diesel sitting at idle. There is no setting it back to stock so to speak. The programmer is there to make the truck think it still has all its emissions stuff. Put it back to stock and your check engine light comes on and the truck will prpbably run like crap. Check engine light comes on, you fail. Not trying to talk you out of it. Just throwing a few things out there you need to consider.
Title: Re: DPF delete?
Post by: Rick on November 09, 2012, 11:35:38 AM: My dad just deleted his 6.7 CTD. He doesn't care about the mileage,he was just tired of the never ending check engine lights.

If his is like all the other deleted 6.7s,he'll gain a few MPG.

Deleting his 6.7 was very easy. IIRC he is in to it less than $700.

Deleting my 2011 Dmax has never crossed my mind. Its getting better mileage than my '07 5.9 CTD with no emissions ever did.
Title: DPF delete?
Post by: jackelope on November 09, 2012, 11:39:41 AM: Did he do it himself, Rick??
Title: Re: DPF delete?
Post by: Rick on November 09, 2012, 12:03:30 PM: Quote from: jackelope on November 09, 2012, 11:39:41 AM
Did he do it himself, Rick??

Yep,we did it in his garage.

We did what are called "California style" deletes for areas that require emissions. He can have all the components back on the truck in about an hour.
Title: DPF delete?
Post by: jackelope on November 09, 2012, 12:14:10 PM: Quote from: Rick on November 09, 2012, 12:03:30 PM
Quote from: jackelope on November 09, 2012, 11:39:41 AM
Did he do it himself, Rick??

Yep,we did it in his garage.

We did what are called "California style" deletes for areas that require emissions. He can have all the components back on the truck in about an hour.

Cool. I was told by a customer that Dynomite charged around $2k to do it all with the box so your $700 DIY makes more sense.
Title: DPF delete?
Post by: The Weazle on November 14, 2012, 08:03:46 PM: A delete capable programmer is $5-9 hundred with a $150 pipe. Unplug the sensors before and after the DPF and oil them and then bag em and tape em up. Install the pipe and the tuner. Instant HP and mileage gain. If you need service or inspection, install the DPF and sensors, drive a few miles till the computer catches up. Reprogram tuner to stock and take it in. I'm not saying the factory will cover the warranty, but the emissions will be stock. I've been researching this for a long time for my 08 duramax and I'm about ready to pull the trigger, but I'm in a non emission test county, and my warranty is up anyways.
Title: Re: DPF delete?
Post by: Mudman on November 15, 2012, 06:31:19 PM: Do it. If you dont have emissions than get r dun. Way better mpg and power plus your engine runs easier with lower temps. Friend did his 08 cummins and 12mpg went to 18mpg and power is extreme. Deletes and minimax and exhaust air intake. Fords do great as well. These emissions are EPA gov. crap that doesnt benefit your truck one bit.
Title: Re: DPF delete?
Post by: mkcj on November 15, 2012, 07:01:21 PM: As of the 13th H&S has been temporally shut down by the EPA (go to their web site) I have a 99 24 valve Cummings and a 12' HO Cummings and it is night and day difference between the oil that comes out of the 2. The 12's oil with EGR stinks like diesel fuel and if you get it on you does not want to come off from all the soot that's ran thru the EGR into the oil. I will guarantee the 99 is cleaner inside the head w/280K miles compared to my 33K mile 12' and the 99 gets much better milage. As a heads up starting next year the EGR is gone and Cummings is going to urea like the big trucks and what Ford,Chevy use.
Title: Re: DPF delete?
Post by: Rick on November 15, 2012, 07:27:32 PM: Quote from: mkcj on November 15, 2012, 07:01:21 PM
As a heads up starting next year the EGR is gone and Cummings is going to urea like the big trucks and what Ford,Chevy use.

Are you sure about no egr on a Cummins?

The Dmax and Powerstroke still use them even with the urea.
Title: Re: DPF delete?
Post by: WDFW Hates ME!!! on November 15, 2012, 07:45:31 PM: I have an 08 6.7 cummins. I did the EGR and DPF delete 2 years ago. 495 for the smarty programmer and the 300 for the diamond eye straight pipe exhaust. Plus 300 for the gauges. I can run it at 40,70 or 100 extra horse. Or i can set it while running at a percentage of any of those HP numbers.

I love it. I just ran to colorado loaded and got 20 MPG for the 2300 miles there and back.

When i was doing my research i was looking at longevity of the motor and the EGR is so bad for the low end of the motor. Just deleting the EGR will increase the life of the motor.

I did all the work myself. And i kept everything. The smarty reprograms the computer like it wasn't even there, it is a catcher type programmer, the box saves number of starts and all the original software. I have 50,000 on the truck and no matter what goes wrong the warranty doesn't cover it anyways. The truck was at the dealership every month for 02 sensors and had horrible performance. So it was worth it to me.
Title: Re: DPF delete?
Post by: JackOfAllTrades on November 15, 2012, 07:51:16 PM: For starters, If you're talking Dodge, Ford, or Isuzu, go to the forums that specialize in that breed.

I'll suggest this forum. Read.. Join.. Ask more questions. You're not the first to reinvent the wheel.

http://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/1187586-to-delete-or-not-to-thoughts.html (http://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/1187586-to-delete-or-not-to-thoughts.html)

LOVE my 6.0 with ZF6spd in my SuperDuty! Doesn't have any of that new Bull Snot!

-Steve
Title: Re: DPF delete?
Post by: mkcj on November 15, 2012, 07:53:33 PM: Your right there just going to the urea like there big engine use. My problem now is if the EPA shuts down H&S what happens if the unit goes out and I can't replace it? For the guy's that have already done the delete and didn't keep there stock parts well! I even called a company today in Vancouver, Canada and as soon as I said I live in Seattle she said they can no longer ship to the USA.
Title: Re: DPF delete?
Post by: jackelope on November 15, 2012, 10:59:08 PM: No urea in the dodges yet because they have been able to meet emissions standards thus far. The other guys couldnt without the urea.
The oil in every diesel that comes in my shop is black with fuel in it....dpf or no dpf. My '94 6.5tdi chevy's oil was black from fuel in the oil.
Title: Re: DPF delete?
Post by: jackelope on November 15, 2012, 11:00:52 PM: Quote from: mkcj on November 15, 2012, 07:53:33 PM
Your right there just going to the urea like there big engine use. My problem now is if the EPA shuts down H&S what happens if the unit goes out and I can't replace it? For the guy's that have already done the delete and didn't keep there stock parts well! I even called a company today in Vancouver, Canada and as soon as I said I live in Seattle she said they can no longer ship to the USA.

Call Lenny at Dynomite Diesel in Monroe. See what he has to say.
:dunno:
Title: Re: DPF delete?
Post by: firefighter4607 on November 15, 2012, 11:23:38 PM: Quote from: jackelope on November 15, 2012, 10:59:08 PM
No urea in the dodges yet because they have been able to meet emissions standards thus far. The other guys couldnt without the urea.

I would of sworn that all 2013 Dodges have the urea systems in them. Also I thought their 4500 and 5500 series had them in 2012.
Title: Re: DPF delete?
Post by: Lightning_Rider on November 15, 2012, 11:55:32 PM: I had an 08 ford 6.4 and ran a spartan tuner with the dpf delete, 4in exhaust, and s&b intake... I did it for the mileage and saw around 6+ mpg gain. It was well worth the money. Spartan is hands down the best tuner for the 6.4, its alot of money, but it will give you the best mileage along with the most horsepower. Just make sure to keep it on 275+ hp tune or lower so you dont destroy your transmission :tup:
Title: Re: DPF delete?
Post by: jackelope on November 16, 2012, 05:46:55 AM: Quote from: firefighter4607 on November 15, 2012, 11:23:38 PM
Quote from: jackelope on November 15, 2012, 10:59:08 PM
No urea in the dodges yet because they have been able to meet emissions standards thus far. The other guys couldnt without the urea.

I would of sworn that all 2013 Dodges have the urea systems in them. Also I thought their 4500 and 5500 series had them in 2012.
You're right. I was thinking 2012. We just started getting '13's in. Havent seen a diesel yet.
Title: Re: DPF delete?
Post by: firefighter4607 on November 16, 2012, 02:34:33 PM: Either way It's bs we are the only country that requires that dumb stuff. The EPA is the reason why we don't have more mini diesels here.
Title: DPF delete?
Post by: jackelope on November 16, 2012, 03:16:42 PM: Agreed.
Title: Re: DPF delete?
Post by: Rick on November 16, 2012, 07:02:22 PM: Quote from: firefighter4607 on November 16, 2012, 02:34:33 PM
Either way It's bs we are the only country that requires that dumb stuff. The EPA is the reason why we don't have more mini diesels here.

IMO,its the American public and the pictures of old stinky,dirty diesels stuck in their head thats keeping them from becoming popular. The increased price of the diesel engine option doesn't help.

If they realized that their Accord/Camry/Altima could get 50mpg as opposed to 30,and not be any more dirty or smelly than the gas engines available,small diesels would sell like hotcakes.

By the way,we aren't the only country that requires the new emissions standards on diesels.
Title: Re: DPF delete?
Post by: mkcj on November 16, 2012, 07:26:56 PM: Either way It's bs we are the only country that requires that dumb stuff. The EPA is the reason why we don't have more mini diesels here.

Yep the ford Focus in Europe with the little diesel I heard gets over 60 MPG but they won't sell it here :bash:
Title: Re: DPF delete?
Post by: Mudman on November 16, 2012, 07:45:22 PM: Dont fool yourseif! The EPA is responsible. Why does a newer diesel truck get 12mpg? My 2001 gets 16+? so 4mpg is lost and more fuel is burnt yet this benefits the world air supply? The rest of the world burns it but our country is to good for it? We are saving the world this way? Ignorant. Same story with coal. Anyone notice all the trains full of American coal going to Canada? If we could buy the diesels that the rest of the world has we would!
Title: Re: DPF delete?
Post by: firefighter4607 on November 16, 2012, 09:22:32 PM: Quote from: Rick on November 16, 2012, 07:02:22 PM
By the way,we aren't the only country that requires the new emissions standards on diesels.

Would you mind sharing with us the other countries that have as strict or stricter requirements? Also look in the European region and tell me how they have many cars that run with diesel, but yet not one of them is legal to have here.
Title: Re: DPF delete?
Post by: Mudman on November 16, 2012, 09:23:39 PM: Quote from: firefighter4607 on November 16, 2012, 09:22:32 PM
Quote from: Rick on November 16, 2012, 07:02:22 PM
By the way,we aren't the only country that requires the new emissions standards on diesels.

Would you mind sharing with us the other countries that have as strict or stricter requirements? Also look in the European region and tell me how they have many cars that run with diesel, but yet not one of them is legal to have here.
:yeah:
Title: Re: DPF delete?
Post by: Rick on November 17, 2012, 12:28:32 PM: Quote from: firefighter4607 on November 16, 2012, 09:22:32 PM
Quote from: Rick on November 16, 2012, 07:02:22 PM
By the way,we aren't the only country that requires the new emissions standards on diesels.

Would you mind sharing with us the other countries that have as strict or stricter requirements? Also look in the European region and tell me how they have many cars that run with diesel, but yet not one of them is legal to have here.

There is a portion of the European diesel emmisions standards that are more strict than what we have here. They also run diesel fuel that contains less sulphur than even our ULSD. Theirs is basically considered sulphur free.

A major reason they can't import more vehicles is that their vehicle safety requirements aren't as strict as ours.
Title: Re: DPF delete?
Post by: CoryTDF on November 17, 2012, 01:05:21 PM: Is there anything like this for gas? I have a 05 Tundra that gets on good days 14mpg HWY. It is a stock truck. I would live to get it up around 18 or so. anybody know about somthing that might help that?
Title: Re: DPF delete?
Post by: Mudman on November 17, 2012, 03:47:56 PM: Ya if you lived somewhere else you could probably ordered a diesel engine in that truck. Ban the Obama EPA!
Title: Re: DPF delete?
Post by: Special T on November 26, 2012, 12:01:07 PM: One of the owners name in Ben. He is a BIG dodge buildup enthusisat. He used to, maybe still does, work on BIG desiel equiptment. Been wheeling with him before. Good Guy, and close to where you are. It is inbetween teh AM PM and the Stilly smoke shop next to the freeway.
Diesel Outfitters
19108 Smokey Point Blvd.
Arlington, WA 98223

(360) 386-9608
http://dieseloutfitters.com/ (http://dieseloutfitters.com/)
Title: Re: DPF delete?
Post by: 6x6in6 on November 26, 2012, 12:55:23 PM: Quote from: Special T on November 26, 2012, 12:01:07 PM
One of the owners name in Ben. He is a BIG dodge buildup enthusisat. He used to, maybe still does, work on BIG desiel equiptment. Been wheeling with him before. Good Guy, and close to where you are. It is inbetween teh AM PM and the Stilly smoke shop next to the freeway.
Diesel Outfitters
19108 Smokey Point Blvd.
Arlington, WA 98223

(360) 386-9608
http://dieseloutfitters.com/ (http://dieseloutfitters.com/)
Ben is good people!!

Have you seen his rat rod build with a 12 valve 5.9 he's presently doing?
Title: Re: DPF delete?
Post by: Special T on November 26, 2012, 01:02:47 PM: nope. He still working PT with Wartsilla?
Title: Re: DPF delete?
Post by: 6x6in6 on November 26, 2012, 01:26:09 PM: Yes, less and less though.
Title: Re: DPF delete?
Post by: Special T on November 26, 2012, 01:43:48 PM: We needed a good Diesel guy for 1 tons and such in our area. Used to go down to Dynamite, will be taking my stuff to him from now on.
Title: Re: DPF delete?
Post by: woodswalker on November 26, 2012, 02:26:18 PM: Special T, Lenny has DDP back now....and is up and rolling

https://www.dynomitediesel.com/ (https://www.dynomitediesel.com/)
Title: Re: DPF delete?
Post by: Special T on November 26, 2012, 02:28:13 PM: They do great work, so i'm not knocking them. Its just a ways off from the skagit valley. smokey point is pretty close. I think Deisel outfitters gets thier kits and such from Dynamite, but don't know for certain.
Title: Re: DPF delete?
Post by: 6x6in6 on November 26, 2012, 02:35:51 PM: There 's another good one up here in Bellingham that I let wrench on both of my Dodge's. Good people that know their stuff!!!
http://www.dkdiesel.com/ (http://www.dkdiesel.com/)
Title: Re: DPF delete?
Post by: go4itlab on November 26, 2012, 09:30:19 PM: Another satisfied dkdeisel customer. I have them work on my old mega cab, and recently picked up an 07 3500 4x4 mega cab dually that I had them do black max mini with pyrometer, trans upgrade, egr delete, removed dpf and installed turbo back 4" afe exhaust, and s&b cold air intake. What a difference. Great group of guys do quality work. :tup: :tup: I'll post a few pictures of the truck, just did a 2" level kit an added a taller BFG Mud Terrain M2. Truck looks mean and is. Lots of horses and improved gas milage. Not sure how much but my 06 mega 8" lift 38 SuperSwapers was getting 24 mpg. I could fill up out side Deerpark and drive to Bellingham and still have a quarter tank left. Bout ready to make the same trip in the 07 will see how it compares.
Title: Re: DPF delete?
Post by: Jim Sr. on December 03, 2012, 11:06:43 PM: Quote from: firefighter4607 on November 16, 2012, 02:34:33 PM
Either way It's bs we are the only country that requires that dumb stuff. The EPA is the reason why we don't have more mini diesels here.

That is so true, I would kill to have a mini diesel in a 4x4 Ranger to haul the boat. The 08 6.4 PSD is kickin my ass in fuel.
Title: Re: DPF delete?
Post by: Special T on December 03, 2012, 11:19:02 PM: The EPA is one of the reasons why there are few desiels here. The other is contractual obligations many auto makers have with their unions. Th in line 5 that is in the dodge sprinter vans COULD be put in every half ton they make or dakota, however since the motor is made overseas the Union objects. Same thing can be said with Ford and many other companies that allready sell them elsewhere in the world.