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Big Game Hunting => Wolves => Topic started by: savage.270 on November 08, 2012, 12:06:18 PM

Title: school project.
Post by: savage.270 on November 08, 2012, 12:06:18 PM: Im doing a school project on the under hunting of some species of animals and how its affecting the enviornment. Anything I find online has a mostly liberal opinion. So i was wonderin if you guys could help me out. Do you know how many confirmed wolf packs there are in Washington? How is it affecting the farmers livestock? what area has the most wolf activity? And any other good information you guys are willing to give me cant hurt.
Thanks- Tony
Title: Re: school project.
Post by: kentrek on November 08, 2012, 12:10:06 PM: check out fish an games website,they have a lot of what ya need..and you can use it as a legit source
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Post by: boneaddict on November 08, 2012, 12:12:13 PM: check out the wolf board on here. There are a ton of references or links referred to in many of them. Not trying to be vague, but thats a regular thesis you are asking for
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Post by: Bob33 on November 08, 2012, 12:12:24 PM: If you want "official" data you can use WDFW's website. Many will tell you that the number of wolves is far greater than the documented count.

http://wdfw.wa.gov/conservation/species/ (http://wdfw.wa.gov/conservation/species/)

Most of Washington's wolf activity is in the northeastern corner of the state.

You should read through the posts in the wolf section on this site. It will take you some time but you'll learn quite a bit.
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Post by: HUNTINCOUPLE on November 08, 2012, 12:29:00 PM: OregonWolfEducation.org. :tup:
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Post by: Jonathan_S on November 08, 2012, 12:41:19 PM: :yeah:

And good for you, if you educate one person it's a worthy thing and you will learn more about wolves in the process. Good project choice.
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Post by: savage.270 on November 08, 2012, 02:32:37 PM: Thanks guys. There should be plenty of information here to help me out. I really appreciate it
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Post by: Kola16 on November 08, 2012, 02:48:40 PM: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151064520901761&set=a.390652606760.166104.385127436760&type=1&theater (https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151064520901761&set=a.390652606760.166104.385127436760&type=1&theater)

You can see some of the arguments that the anti's make here :tup: There is some good responses to what the anti's say on here also :tup:

It would also be good to mention that wolves kill and waste their kill (if you need pictures of this let me know), and that a single wolf kills around 17 elk, or 44 deer a year. Times that by 10-12 (about a pack) and :yike: That is 1 pack! To tack onto that, tell them what happens when wolves run out of food :yike:
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Post by: jackmaster on November 08, 2012, 03:27:55 PM: you could also look into bobcats, cougars and coyotes and the impact they are having on fawns now that we have lost trapping and hound hunting.....i gotta tell ya kid, its damn refreshing to here that there are some youth out there that are still doing these kind of projects for school :tup: great job
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Post by: Kola16 on November 08, 2012, 03:29:45 PM: Quote from: jackmaster on November 08, 2012, 03:27:55 PM
you could also look into bobcats, cougars and coyotes and the impact they are having on fawns now that we have lost trapping and hound hunting.....i gotta tell ya kid, its damn refreshing to here that there are some youth out there that are still doing these kind of projects for school :tup: great job

:yeah: :tup:

But be careful. Sometimes a teacher will always hate you for it :P
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Post by: Colville on November 08, 2012, 03:40:09 PM: If you want to have success with a persuasion piece, you are going to have to acknowledge your bias. I agree with your premise, but understand that a lot of what you imply in your bias leads to subjective rather than objective game management decisions.

"...under hunting of some species of animals and how its affecting the enviornment."

We can have a healthy environment with more wolves, or less. We can have dramatically less hunting opportunity and have no real "environmental" problem. So if you want to win the debate about why management should be run with an eye toward hunting opportunity (less wolves) you'd better spend a bunch of time on the relative contributions to habitat restoration, acquisition and conservation that is directly the result of hunting. Indirectly through taxes on the goods they buy and sell and directly though licensing and hunters charitable orgs. Those dollars dry up as you reduce those peoples access and opportunity. That's an issue that extends to all kinds of game and flora because hunters may be saving habitat for hunting deer, but everything else that lives there is benefiting. In the state of our nation where there's no money in state or federal budgets to throw at this, these dollars are critical. Not to mention the affects on the economy of lost hunter purchasing, traveling, processing, taxidermy.....
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Post by: savage.270 on November 08, 2012, 05:44:09 PM: yeah i did a lil part on cougars. Where i hunted deer this year the locals blamed the deer population on being so low because of cougars. And i had no idea wolves killed that many deer/elk :yike:. That will definitely be in my project. My teacher is pretty liberal too so i was suprised he let me do this topic and i was planning to bring an economic look into this too. i just didnt know how. thank you all for the great information.