Post by: Jack Diamond on December 18, 2012, 06:21:16 PM
Post by: CementFinisher on December 18, 2012, 06:27:04 PM
Post by: crazysccrmd on December 18, 2012, 06:30:17 PM
Post by: lokidog on December 18, 2012, 06:31:46 PM
I am a member.
Post by: KFhunter on December 18, 2012, 06:32:40 PM
Having been a supporter of the NRA for 30 years and on various committee's of the Friends of NRA banquets, I know a lot of people that enjoy the shooting sports that are not members of the NRA, for various reasons. However if nothing else I firmly believe these folks should now support the NRA and join today! This is a time in America where all gun owners should unite and show solidarity. JMHO.
Let's wait to see what they have to say this Friday first. Then make threads like this.
Post by: CementFinisher on December 18, 2012, 07:37:57 PM
Post by: Bean Counter on December 18, 2012, 07:54:14 PM
I was a member in college, but haven't been since. I'd probably join GOA or some other no-compromise 2nd Amendment advocacy group out there if I were to. NRA sits on far too much of its money and
I believe that the Ill-Annoy federal court victory about CCW was actually pushed by the Second Amendment Foundation, not the NRA. Perhaps Dave Workman himself will chime in on that one.
Post by: KFhunter on December 18, 2012, 07:57:53 PM
Kinda like donating to the red cross, your money is going so many places other than where you want it.
I wonder if the NRA is willing to "go to bat", or if they'll just keep money changing and getting their execs richer and richer?
Post by: Bean Counter on December 18, 2012, 08:00:59 PM
If they negotiate or cave on even the most 'reasonable' 2A infringements, then they are done. Not only will I politely sit by and say "I'm not a member" but actively speak against them--for whatever my voice is worth.
Post by: Jack Diamond on December 21, 2012, 12:04:32 PM
Post by: Bean Counter on December 21, 2012, 12:13:20 PM
Post by: hillbilli on December 21, 2012, 12:37:57 PM
Post by: Biggerhammer on December 21, 2012, 11:22:11 PM
Post by: mountainman on December 22, 2012, 08:28:18 AM
Post by: Bofire on December 22, 2012, 10:03:42 AM
Carl :tup:
Post by: Bob33 on December 22, 2012, 10:46:40 AM
Post by: jrebel on December 22, 2012, 10:47:39 AM
Post by: woodswalker on December 22, 2012, 10:54:58 AM
Look at the respective membership levels. 4+ million @ NRA, a few hundred thousand at GOA, JFPO and Second Amendment Foundation. Numbers are clout, whether you totally agree with the stance or not. The REST of the groups total roughly 1/4 of the NRA..
Yes i think that the NRA is a bit too soft at times...but if so...Join one of the hard-over groups ALSO! (what i did, 2A and GOA as well as long term lifer NRA). as far as i know...no one cross checks the membership records.
We have 3 lifers in my house.
Post by: Jamieb on December 22, 2012, 03:00:24 PM
Post by: Bean Counter on December 22, 2012, 03:04:13 PM
Gun owners are a stubborn, independent and cranky bunch. They are prone to quarrel with each other over the slightest difference. It takes a very big tent to contain them all. Right now the NRA is it. If we start to splinter, then become our own worse enemy in the face of this liberal onslaught. This is not the time to argue among ourselves.
Look at the respective membership levels. 4+ million @ NRA, a few hundred thousand at GOA, JFPO and Second Amendment Foundation. Numbers are clout, whether you totally agree with the stance or not. The REST of the groups total roughly 1/4 of the NRA..
Yes i think that the NRA is a bit too soft at times...but if so...Join one of the hard-over groups ALSO! (what i did, 2A and GOA as well as long term lifer NRA). as far as i know...no one cross checks the membership records.
We have 3 lifers in my house.
good points
Post by: Curly on December 22, 2012, 03:13:20 PM
I got tired of the phone calls all the time asking for money or asking for me to donate to a particular candidate, sending mailings all the time........seems like they spend a ton of money in postage and paper.
I do feel a little guilty about not renewing my membership, especially after this latest shooting and the liberals trying to go after 2A rights.............. I might just go the life membership route and give them a fake email address and fake phone number, and I can deal with the junk mail.
Post by: Jamieb on December 22, 2012, 03:18:40 PM
Post by: 300UltraMagShooter on December 22, 2012, 04:08:17 PM
We have lost more than we have won in the last 10 years or so (in the world of self-governance and limited governance)... the NRA is one of the few bright spots where we see clear successes. If the left is attacking you as viciously as they are attacking the NRA, you know they are a STRONG front in this war we are in.
:twocents:
Post by: chukarchaser on December 22, 2012, 04:13:49 PM
Post by: marlin on December 22, 2012, 06:32:49 PM
Dont give your guns to the gov and ppl wanting to destroy them!!!
Post by: Bean Counter on December 22, 2012, 06:41:55 PM
Post by: christopheri on December 22, 2012, 06:46:46 PM
Post by: Sitka_Blacktail on December 22, 2012, 06:52:21 PM
I do support the 2nd Amendment Foundation tho.
Post by: lokidog on December 22, 2012, 06:58:13 PM
I hate all the phone calls at 7 oclock at night asking for more money. :chuckle: >:(
It would be nice to be able to opt out of the fundraising and letters. I like the magazine though.
Post by: Mauser on December 22, 2012, 07:08:06 PM
Post by: ghosthunter on December 22, 2012, 07:35:33 PM
I can't support the NRA. I gave up my membership years ago. They support too many radical politicians who I would never vote for. I don't believe the NRA really wants a definitive ruling from the Supreme Court on the 2nd Amendment either. It would put them out of business if the Court said gun ownership is guaranteed by the Constitution. The NRA likes the controversy over the 2nd Amendment because it generates the big bucks for them. And like all big organizations, they like the big bucks.
I do support the 2nd Amendment Foundation tho.
I don't think they will ever be out of business. There are folks like seattles mayor, and New Yorks who will always be after our guns. This war will never be won only battles.
Post by: Bofire on December 23, 2012, 10:22:27 AM
Carl
here is the link: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/06/28/AR2010062802134.html (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/06/28/AR2010062802134.html)
Post by: ICEMAN on December 23, 2012, 11:22:35 AM
Supreme court has made ruling supporting the 2 amendment. NRA got it done.
Carl
here is the link: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/06/28/AR2010062802134.html (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/06/28/AR2010062802134.html)
Keep up the good fight Carl. Glad you are supporting the NRA and reminding folks why to.... Keep it up!
Post by: smdave on December 23, 2012, 11:26:28 AM
Supreme court has made ruling supporting the 2 amendment. NRA got it done.
Carl
here is the link: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/06/28/AR2010062802134.html (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/06/28/AR2010062802134.html)
From
Washington Post Staff Writer
Tuesday, June 29, 2010
Post by: RG on December 23, 2012, 11:55:09 AM
Post by: hillbilli on December 23, 2012, 12:41:42 PM
Post by: Sitka_Blacktail on December 23, 2012, 01:03:02 PM
Supreme court has made ruling supporting the 2 amendment. NRA got it done.
Carl
here is the link: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/06/28/AR2010062802134.html (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/06/28/AR2010062802134.html)
Not so definitive......
"The decision extended the court's 2008 ruling in District of Columbia v. Heller that "the Second Amendment protects a personal right to keep and bear arms for lawful purposes, most notably for self-defense within the home." That decision applied only to federal laws and federal enclaves such as Washington;"
If it was definitive, the argument would be over.
Post by: Jack Diamond on December 23, 2012, 02:19:50 PM
If you want to keep shooting they are the only game in town; the other washington, with any ability to stop the people that want you to stop. It is easy to recycle their flyers. I doubt that you will find any organization with 4 million members that you can agree with on every topic. If you don't belong to the NRA or other firearms activist group you should go quietly to the lines to turn in your weapons if or when the time comes. No complaining. I was surprised at the press conference. I really thought they might cave-in on some of the issues this time but they are continuing to hold the line. Really it's $35. a year, or the equivalent of one large pizza and pitcher of beer.
perfectly stated Mauser :tup:
Post by: Machias on December 23, 2012, 02:48:07 PM
Supreme court has made ruling supporting the 2 amendment. NRA got it done.
Carl
here is the link: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/06/28/AR2010062802134.html (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/06/28/AR2010062802134.html)
Not so definitive......
"The decision extended the court's 2008 ruling in District of Columbia v. Heller that "the Second Amendment protects a personal right to keep and bear arms for lawful purposes, most notably for self-defense within the home." That decision applied only to federal laws and federal enclaves such as Washington;"
If it was definitive, the argument would be over.
Actually they once and for all made a definitive answer on whether or not the 2nd Amendment was for individuals or for militias. They ruled the 2nd Amendment was and is pertaining to the individual. This has been one of the most common arguments by the Democrats for years. This was a landmark ruling having impacts for decades to come. There are still battles to be won for certain, becasue they did state some restrictions can be reasonable, I think you will see those restrictions coming in the way of a ban on AR type guns, extended magazines and background checks. But the NRA has been at the front of the fight the whole time and will be there in future fights. They are an important and powerful gun lobby. The only reason we have not been under constant assualt the past few years is because they put the smackdown on opponents the past few years. Did they do a good job on Friday, I say it was an decent start. It was the first step in an ongoing battle. There will be many more, they need our support.
Post by: PolarBear on December 23, 2012, 03:17:19 PM
Post by: Wenatcheejay on December 23, 2012, 03:19:33 PM
Supreme court has made ruling supporting the 2 amendment. NRA got it done.
Carl
here is the link: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/06/28/AR2010062802134.html (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/06/28/AR2010062802134.html)
Not so definitive......
"The decision extended the court's 2008 ruling in District of Columbia v. Heller that "the Second Amendment protects a personal right to keep and bear arms for lawful purposes, most notably for self-defense within the home." That decision applied only to federal laws and federal enclaves such as Washington;"
If it was definitive, the argument would be over.
Actually they once and for all made a definitive answer on whether or not the 2nd Amendment was for individuals or for militias. They ruled the 2nd Amendment was and is pertaining to the individual. This has been one of the most common arguments by the Democrats for years. This was a landmark ruling having impacts for decades to come. There are still battles to be won for certain, becasue they did state some restrictions can be reasonable, I think you will see those restrictions coming in the way of a ban on AR type guns, extended magazines and background checks. But the NRA has been at the front of the fight the whole time and will be there in future fights. They are an important and powerful gun lobby. The only reason we have not been under constant assualt the past few years is because they put the smackdown on opponents the past few years. Did they do a good job on Friday, I say it was an decent start. It was the first step in an ongoing battle. There will be many more, they need our support.
At the rate the Republicans are loosing ground I'd call them useless. In fact I did so when they called asking for money.
When King Obama The First selects his new Supreme Court we will find a lot of entertaining changes to our Nation. Yes, give them up, surrender, do it now. The City Dwellers have learned how to control every poll and all elections. They control the culture, all is lost. The all knowing CNN polls now say 53% of Americans support an all out gun ban. :pee:
The NRA needs to ask how a new "Ban X Rifle" program will work? With millions of guns and hundreds of million of magazines and billions of rounds of ammunition how will another law control lawbreakers? How is the only way we can make sure that Xgun and Xmags not be used in a crime?
CNN & (D) Company should be forced to answer that question.
Stop talking with fools and ask that simple question.
FYI I have gone from Annual to Lifetime Member this month. My wife signed and said I guess everyone in the family needs to follow. (Love her!)
Post by: actionshooter on December 23, 2012, 03:45:48 PM
Its $35 a year for gods sake, thats not even a good night at the bar. I have ZERO respect for gun owners who have all the reasons in the world not to join and cry about the politicians who want to take guns away!
Post by: actionshooter on December 23, 2012, 03:52:35 PM
Post by: Bean Counter on December 23, 2012, 04:09:04 PM
Post by: ghosthunter on December 23, 2012, 04:13:30 PM
This is the same argument everytime the NRA subject comes up. People whine about what they haven't done,or they didn't agree with every decision made by the NRA but very few people see what they have done. Our 2nd amendment rights are still here (for now). Without them we would have lost our gun rights years ago.
Its $35 a year for gods sake, thats not even a good night at the bar. I have ZERO respect for gun owners who have all the reasons in the world not to join and cry about the politicians who want to take guns away!
:yeah:
There are lots of things America does I don't like. But if she where in trouble I would be at her side along witTh most folks on here. The NRA is very good at its job. The job we pay it to do. To protect our 2A rights. One thing we all know is the anti's will never be satisfied with just magazines. They want all guns gone. And I cannot live with that, god bless the NRA.
Post by: Bofire on December 23, 2012, 04:16:59 PM
Carl
Post by: scoyoc5 on December 23, 2012, 04:20:55 PM
Post by: mountainman on December 23, 2012, 04:48:15 PM
:) :) :) I am sorry if I offend BUT I must say. The NRA is the best we have, not supporting them because they send "junk mail" is, in my opinion, just plain stupid.:yeah:
Carl
Post by: Bean Counter on December 24, 2012, 04:42:37 AM
:) :) :) I am sorry if I offend BUT I must say. The NRA is the best we have, not supporting them because they send "junk mail" is, in my opinion, just plain stupid.
Carl
Carl,
My struggle with supporting them isn't because of the junk mail. That's just an annoyance. People here are making good points that its tough to please 4 million gun owners all at the same time and work in a political environment where half the population are moochers and loosers (aka "Democrats").
More visceral feelings against the NRA are after their desire to protect their turf as the largest gun lobby in Washington even at the expense of not sticking up for their sister organizations. Reference the DISCLOSE Act. NRA only removed its opposition after they received a sweetheart deal that would have benefitted them and thrown the other Pro 2A groups under the bus. Things like that make me feel that they are in fact more interested in their own continuity perhaps more than the purposes to which they purport to fight for.
Still thinking about it all, myself.... I'm reading all your guys' comments.
Post by: bearpaw on December 24, 2012, 05:33:09 AM
Since then, I have realized that even though I was at odds with NRA on the Disclose Act, and still feel they were wrong on that issue, nobody and no organization is perfect. I have reconsidered and decided that on most issues I agree with the NRA positions and that as a whole NRA is the best thing we have going for the 2nd Amendment.
Fortunately they did not delete my membership. :)
It is my opinion that every gun owner should belong to the NRA and every other gun rights organization that you can afford to join. Right now the NRA is growing by 8000 members per day, Americans are obviously realizing they need to support the NRA to save the 2nd Amendment.
Post by: Curly on December 24, 2012, 09:16:56 AM
Post by: Bean Counter on December 24, 2012, 12:31:44 PM
Hey wait, is that a little bit like supporting:
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.theliberaloc.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2011%2F09%2FRonPaul1.jpg&hash=54f92ef3a30445017c252d8707c81880dd11b797)
Haha nevermind :chuckle:
Post by: bearpaw on December 24, 2012, 03:00:49 PM
Post by: Wenatcheejay on December 24, 2012, 03:57:25 PM
Tell them not to call or you will quit, it worked pretty well for us to do that several years ago.
You guys should understand that to fund these adventures anymore takes incredible amounts of cash. Groups from all over the world would like to see our Freedom here disappear so we will be more like them. How many people have an investment in the tools of the 2nd Amendment? How much do we pay to hunt and fish? Groups fight to keep our ability to do so and not be criminals. We often bitch and moan about loss of this or that but do little to nothing to counter the funds poured out to the groups that seek to take our Freedom. If we are not willing to pay up, if we are not willing to become the folks making those calls for others to do the same we will see our Heritage die. It is literally a choice we need to make. Our enemy is organized and incredibly well funded InterNationally.
It is way beyond time we get very Organized and supportive. If people are unwilling then consider just rolling over. The NRA is very well funded and Organized. Our enemy FEARS it for good reason. They have more than a quarter billion dollars annually to fight with. The SAF has been suing the enemy with success. Our enemy despises SAF which is a good thing because is shows their utter disregard for law. The same goes for political races. If we got more involved I do not think King County would rule Washington with such ease. :twocents:
Post by: splitshot on December 24, 2012, 04:26:28 PM
Post by: actionshooter on December 24, 2012, 04:46:29 PM
Tell them not to call or you will quit, it worked pretty well for us to do that several years ago.
You guys should understand that to fund these adventures anymore takes incredible amounts of cash. Groups from all over the world would like to see our Freedom here disappear so we will be more like them. How many people have an investment in the tools of the 2nd Amendment? How much do we pay to hunt and fish? Groups fight to keep our ability to do so and not be criminals. We often bitch and moan about loss of this or that but do little to nothing to counter the funds poured out to the groups that seek to take our Freedom. If we are not willing to pay up, if we are not willing to become the folks making those calls for others to do the same we will see our Heritage die. It is literally a choice we need to make. Our enemy is organized and incredibly well funded InterNationally.
It is way beyond time we get very Organized and supportive. If people are unwilling then consider just rolling over. The NRA is very well funded and Organized. Our enemy FEARS it for good reason. They have more than a quarter billion dollars annually to fight with. The SAF has been suing the enemy with success. Our enemy despises SAF which is a good thing because is shows their utter disregard for law. The same goes for political races. If we got more involved I do not think King County would rule Washington with such ease. :twocents:
I agree 100%, thats why I go to the banquet every year, get drunk and drop 1K+, not many people donate more than that. :chuckle:
Post by: ghosthunter on December 24, 2012, 04:50:37 PM
Show your colors.
Post by: MadHatter on December 24, 2012, 09:53:26 PM
Post by: Wenatcheejay on December 24, 2012, 10:17:07 PM
Post by: Jerbear on December 24, 2012, 11:35:56 PM
Post by: Bean Counter on December 25, 2012, 12:17:15 AM
Post by: Sitka_Blacktail on December 25, 2012, 10:04:41 AM
I belong to GOA. No banquets, or movie stars. Just a constant pressure on the anti gun people. I like the fact that on all major issues the send send pre- addressed, pre -written messages to our senators, and congressmen. Just sign and put a stamp on them and send them in. I belonged to the NRA for many years, and they never did anything like that. $20.00 a year and no phone calls. I know this year they took one or two different issues to the courts and won. They could not get the NRA to join in. But no matter what, at least join a pro gun organization. We are in for one big fight.
I agree with you that we are in a big fight. I also believe that Organizations like GOA and the 2nd Amendment Foundation are more effective than the NRA. The NRA makes a lot of noise and brings in a lot of money, but they don't get much done. Thanks for pointing that out.
Post by: Jack Diamond on December 25, 2012, 10:16:38 AM
IMHO
Merry Christmas to all.
Post by: Bean Counter on December 25, 2012, 10:31:49 AM
Post by: Jack Diamond on December 25, 2012, 10:50:24 AM
Really ??
Happy New Year , it will be interesting!!
Post by: Bean Counter on December 25, 2012, 12:08:20 PM
Post by: CementFinisher on December 25, 2012, 01:49:21 PM
Post by: mountainman on December 25, 2012, 03:19:40 PM
:stup: bean are you seriouse? are you touched in the head? NUmbers are what matter and thats what the NRA has.
:yeah: :dunno:
Post by: Wenatcheejay on December 25, 2012, 09:59:04 PM
Post by: ghosthunter on December 25, 2012, 10:27:28 PM
I don't care who gets the credit. As long as the job gets done.
Post by: Bean Counter on December 26, 2012, 03:17:44 PM
:stup: bean are you seriouse? are you touched in the head? NUmbers are what matter and thats what the NRA has.
:yeah: :dunno:
People on here have asked for less division and infighting on this topic. If you want to contribute to NRA, feel free. I don't think it will hurt the Second Amendment. I don't feel like giving them any money due to their ethics.
I have joined GOA and SAF--so its not like I wont open up my wallet.
:)
Post by: Bofire on December 26, 2012, 08:14:29 PM
Carl