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Title: What gun was this?
Post by: timberghost72 on December 21, 2012, 07:19:14 PM
About 15 years ago I was in a pawn shop and saw a gun that I wish I would have bought. I cant remember the maker or name of it. It was a military type black rifle. It was an over/under barrel with. 223 on top barrel and a 12 ga pump underneath. If I remember right it took AR type mags.

Anyone have any idea what this was?
Title: Re: What gun was this?
Post by: JimmyHoffa on December 21, 2012, 07:25:59 PM
This it?
http://www.knesekguns.com/commercial/Knights-Armament-12-Gauge-MasterKey-96362 (http://www.knesekguns.com/commercial/Knights-Armament-12-Gauge-MasterKey-96362)
Title: Re: What gun was this?
Post by: ghosthunter on December 21, 2012, 07:36:12 PM
Wow  that *censored*.

Thay would push the Brady Bunch over the edge. :yike:
Title: Re: What gun was this?
Post by: timberghost72 on December 21, 2012, 08:15:02 PM
This it?
http://www.knesekguns.com/commercial/Knights-Armament-12-Gauge-MasterKey-96362 (http://www.knesekguns.com/commercial/Knights-Armament-12-Gauge-MasterKey-96362)

No but thats cool. That looks like an AR with an added 12 ga setup. What I remember is the shotgun part was integrated with the whole gun. The shotgun barrel was directly underneath the .223 barrel. I cant remember the trigger configuration. It also didnt look "custom". It looked like a regularly manufactured firearm. I cant be 100% on it taking the AR mags even though it looked it did. It was a pistol grip but did not look like an AR platform. Really wish I bought it. If I remember it was $600 bucks or so.
Title: Re: What gun was this?
Post by: turkeyfeather on December 21, 2012, 08:22:34 PM
I want one of those!!!  :drool:
Title: Re: What gun was this?
Post by: AWS on December 21, 2012, 09:57:49 PM
You might be talking about a Crossfire AR-15/12ga pump combo made by Saco, heres and old add for one.

http://search.aol.com/aol/imageDetails?s_it=imageDetails&q=crossfire+rifle+shotgun+combo&v_t=comsearch50ct16&b=image%3Fs_it%3Dtopsearchbox.search%26v_t%3Dcomsearch50ct16%26q%3Dcrossfire%2Brifle%2Bshotgun%2Bcombo%26oreq%3Dfdfbdc6df4d44449973326dbebcec63c&img=http%3A%2F%2Fimg294.imageshack.us%2Fimg294%2F7808%2Fimg2119mt6.jpg&host=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ar15.com%2Farchive%2Ftopic.html%3Fb%3D7%26f%3D21%26t%3D439872&width=116&height=62&thumbUrl=http%3A%2F%2Fimages-partners-tbn.google.com%2Fimages%3Fq%3Dtbn%3AANd9GcSPQmxz-hFEJYjrk4wa3rxBmNG2oBPKX0YDgus4L9619mgRRv-2NCg5fHIR&imgWidth=2565&imgHeight=1373&imgSize=922309&imgTitle=crossfire+rifle+shotgun+combo (http://search.aol.com/aol/imageDetails?s_it=imageDetails&q=crossfire+rifle+shotgun+combo&v_t=comsearch50ct16&b=image%3Fs_it%3Dtopsearchbox.search%26v_t%3Dcomsearch50ct16%26q%3Dcrossfire%2Brifle%2Bshotgun%2Bcombo%26oreq%3Dfdfbdc6df4d44449973326dbebcec63c&img=http%3A%2F%2Fimg294.imageshack.us%2Fimg294%2F7808%2Fimg2119mt6.jpg&host=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ar15.com%2Farchive%2Ftopic.html%3Fb%3D7%26f%3D21%26t%3D439872&width=116&height=62&thumbUrl=http%3A%2F%2Fimages-partners-tbn.google.com%2Fimages%3Fq%3Dtbn%3AANd9GcSPQmxz-hFEJYjrk4wa3rxBmNG2oBPKX0YDgus4L9619mgRRv-2NCg5fHIR&imgWidth=2565&imgHeight=1373&imgSize=922309&imgTitle=crossfire+rifle+shotgun+combo)

Found a link to one currently availible.

http://www.gunsinternational.com/Crossfire-MK-1-Combination-5-56mm-X-12-ga-pump.cfm?gun_id=100108518 (http://www.gunsinternational.com/Crossfire-MK-1-Combination-5-56mm-X-12-ga-pump.cfm?gun_id=100108518)

Title: Re: What gun was this?
Post by: MadHatter on December 25, 2012, 07:36:09 PM
I am pretty sure you are thinking of a Savage 24... They came in a plethora of caliber/guage combo's... I have never used one, but talked to a lot of people that have and they all loved them for hunting birds like grouse, but also for dual seasons like deer and grouse.

This list is from memory, but I think this is all of them...
.22LR/.410
.22LR/20 Gauge
.22WMR/20 Gauge
.22 Hornet/20 Gauge
.223 Rem/20 Gauge
.30-30/20 Gauge
.357 Mag/20 Gauge
.22 Hornet/12 Gauge
.223 Rem/12 Gauge
.30-30/12 Gauge

(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fiwantthatknife.com%2FGallery%2Falbums%2FEBR%2Fsavage_12.jpg&hash=b7f18d3b6e33124661f04703ed9f314fb4a00467)
Title: Re: What gun was this?
Post by: timberghost72 on December 25, 2012, 07:49:45 PM
You might be talking about a Crossfire AR-15/12ga pump combo made by Saco, heres and old add for one.

http://search.aol.com/aol/imageDetails?s_it=imageDetails&q=crossfire+rifle+shotgun+combo&v_t=comsearch50ct16&b=image%3Fs_it%3Dtopsearchbox.search%26v_t%3Dcomsearch50ct16%26q%3Dcrossfire%2Brifle%2Bshotgun%2Bcombo%26oreq%3Dfdfbdc6df4d44449973326dbebcec63c&img=http%3A%2F%2Fimg294.imageshack.us%2Fimg294%2F7808%2Fimg2119mt6.jpg&host=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ar15.com%2Farchive%2Ftopic.html%3Fb%3D7%26f%3D21%26t%3D439872&width=116&height=62&thumbUrl=http%3A%2F%2Fimages-partners-tbn.google.com%2Fimages%3Fq%3Dtbn%3AANd9GcSPQmxz-hFEJYjrk4wa3rxBmNG2oBPKX0YDgus4L9619mgRRv-2NCg5fHIR&imgWidth=2565&imgHeight=1373&imgSize=922309&imgTitle=crossfire+rifle+shotgun+combo (http://search.aol.com/aol/imageDetails?s_it=imageDetails&q=crossfire+rifle+shotgun+combo&v_t=comsearch50ct16&b=image%3Fs_it%3Dtopsearchbox.search%26v_t%3Dcomsearch50ct16%26q%3Dcrossfire%2Brifle%2Bshotgun%2Bcombo%26oreq%3Dfdfbdc6df4d44449973326dbebcec63c&img=http%3A%2F%2Fimg294.imageshack.us%2Fimg294%2F7808%2Fimg2119mt6.jpg&host=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ar15.com%2Farchive%2Ftopic.html%3Fb%3D7%26f%3D21%26t%3D439872&width=116&height=62&thumbUrl=http%3A%2F%2Fimages-partners-tbn.google.com%2Fimages%3Fq%3Dtbn%3AANd9GcSPQmxz-hFEJYjrk4wa3rxBmNG2oBPKX0YDgus4L9619mgRRv-2NCg5fHIR&imgWidth=2565&imgHeight=1373&imgSize=922309&imgTitle=crossfire+rifle+shotgun+combo)

Found a link to one currently availible.

http://www.gunsinternational.com/Crossfire-MK-1-Combination-5-56mm-X-12-ga-pump.cfm?gun_id=100108518 (http://www.gunsinternational.com/Crossfire-MK-1-Combination-5-56mm-X-12-ga-pump.cfm?gun_id=100108518)

Well not exactly what I remember but it resembles it the best from what I have found so far. I thought the one I remember had the .223 barrel on top and 12 ga on bottom but who knows. It was a long time ago. Cool gun anyways.  :tup:
Title: Re: What gun was this?
Post by: actionshooter on December 25, 2012, 08:25:21 PM
The crossfire is the only rifle I can think of that fits that description. They didn't  get real popular, i thought it was a good concept. Had one for a while.
Title: Re: What gun was this?
Post by: Heredoggydoggy on December 25, 2012, 09:26:44 PM
I am pretty sure you are thinking of a Savage 24... They came in a plethora of caliber/guage combo's... I have never used one, but talked to a lot of people that have and they all loved them for hunting birds like grouse, but also for dual seasons like deer and grouse.

This list is from memory, but I think this is all of them...
.22LR/.410
.22LR/20 Gauge
.22WMR/20 Gauge
.22 Hornet/20 Gauge
.223 Rem/20 Gauge
.30-30/20 Gauge
.357 Mag/20 Gauge
.22 Hornet/12 Gauge
.223 Rem/12 Gauge
.30-30/12 Gauge



Ya missed one--I bought a Savage 24, 22WMR over 410 for $35 back in '67.  Still have it. It's one of the early ones with soldered barrels and the slector on the side of the receiver.  They are single shot though, not a pump gun.
Title: Re: Re: What gun was this?
Post by: MadHatter on December 26, 2012, 09:24:29 AM
I am pretty sure you are thinking of a Savage 24... They came in a plethora of caliber/guage combo's... I have never used one, but talked to a lot of people that have and they all loved them for hunting birds like grouse, but also for dual seasons like deer and grouse.

This list is from memory, but I think this is all of them...
.22LR/.410
.22LR/20 Gauge
.22WMR/20 Gauge
.22 Hornet/20 Gauge
.223 Rem/20 Gauge
.30-30/20 Gauge
.357 Mag/20 Gauge
.22 Hornet/12 Gauge
.223 Rem/12 Gauge
.30-30/12 Gauge



Ya missed one--I bought a Savage 24, 22WMR over 410 for $35 back in '67.  Still have it. It's one of the early ones with soldered barrels and the slector on the side of the receiver.  They are single shot though, not a pump gun.

I figured I missed one or two...

Yeah, totally missed the mark on what the OP has posted... Went back and read it again and not even sure how I even thought of the 24...

Probably sent while sitting on the ferry... While using Tapatalk 2

Title: Re: What gun was this?
Post by: timberghost72 on December 26, 2012, 01:46:57 PM
The crossfire is the only rifle I can think of that fits that description. They didn't  get real popular, i thought it was a good concept. Had one for a while.

What did you think of it? Seems like a fun gun to own. Shoot good? Heavy? Would you recomend it?
Title: Re: What gun was this?
Post by: actionshooter on December 26, 2012, 05:04:45 PM
They aren't the best rifle, but it was good and I couldn't think of a better coyote rig..
Never checked it in the accuracy dept. but I wouldn't be surprised if it wasn't that good..... :twocents:
Title: Re: What gun was this?
Post by: yorketransport on December 26, 2012, 06:53:41 PM
I think this is what you're thinking of. They call them a "master Key"

http://dsc.discovery.com/tv-shows/sons-of-guns/videos/master-key-breaching-gun.htm (http://dsc.discovery.com/tv-shows/sons-of-guns/videos/master-key-breaching-gun.htm)

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