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Title: Indians killing big bulls!!!!
Post by: Masterhunter340 on December 29, 2012, 09:37:29 PM
I was coming out of the Nile today( chinook pass) and stopped at at the woodshed store, to my surprise there where 4 pickups with racks and 7 big bull elk.... I think if they need all this meat stay on your own deeded land.... If they are going to come on to our land obey are seasons and laws... I'm tired of seeing this every year...
Title: Re: Indians killing big bulls!!!!
Post by: Jingles on December 29, 2012, 09:39:27 PM
 :yeah:
Title: Re: Indians killing big bulls!!!!
Post by: HHPro on December 29, 2012, 09:40:44 PM
I wouldn't bring this topic up there is a ton of them floating around,you better get used to it its not gonna change.
Title: Re: Indians killing big bulls!!!!
Post by: scottfrick on December 29, 2012, 09:44:03 PM
I wouldn't bring this topic up there is a ton of them floating around,you better get used to it its not gonna change.
Well it's *censored* needs to change!
Title: Re: Indians killing big bulls!!!!
Post by: jackelope on December 29, 2012, 09:46:04 PM
I wouldn't bring this topic up there is a ton of them floating around,you better get used to it its not gonna change.

They just closed the gates in the Entiat. That's a change.
Title: Re: Indians killing big bulls!!!!
Post by: norsepeak on December 29, 2012, 09:54:07 PM
subsistnece my *censored*!!!!!!   Can't eat antlers....friggin *censored*!!!!! :puke:
Title: Re: Indians killing big bulls!!!!
Post by: HHPro on December 29, 2012, 09:57:02 PM
Write your state officials instead of posting another thread full of arguments you might get somewhere :dunno:
Title: Re: Indians killing big bulls!!!!
Post by: lokidog on December 29, 2012, 09:57:53 PM
Photos and letters to the editors of all major state newspapers......
Title: Re: Indians killing big bulls!!!!
Post by: washelkhunter on December 29, 2012, 09:59:28 PM
*censored* am i supposed to live by an artificially set standard when the late comers get all the gravy. Being a Solutrean I am resentful. Where are my rights? I dont recall surrendering them.
Title: Re: Indians killing big bulls!!!!
Post by: Masterhunter340 on December 29, 2012, 10:37:56 PM
If they want to do this stay on the land you were giving and leave are animals alone... Or go back to the primitive methods.
Title: Re: Indians killing big bulls!!!!
Post by: Tbar on December 29, 2012, 10:40:13 PM
Pics?
Title: Re: Indians killing big bulls!!!!
Post by: Time Immemorial on December 29, 2012, 10:52:46 PM
If they want to do this stay on the land you were giving and leave are animals alone... Or go back to the primitive methods.
Sounds like bs to me, what a poor attempt to get everyone off your back, getting hammered in the tread about yourself an baiting elk onto your land, why are there no pictures or anyone else that sern this :dunno:
Title: Re: Indians killing big bulls!!!!
Post by: Tbar on December 29, 2012, 10:57:29 PM
If they want to do this stay on the land you were giving and leave are animals alone... Or go back to the primitive methods.
Sounds like bs to me, what a poor attempt to get everyone off your back, getting hammered in the tread about yourself an baiting elk onto your land, why are there no pictures or anyone else that sern this :dunno:
:yeah:
All of these threads  and countless posts and no pics. I took a pic with my phone of a lumber rack i liked going down i5... Just saying....
Title: Re: Indians killing big bulls!!!!
Post by: Time Immemorial on December 29, 2012, 11:00:29 PM
If they want to do this stay on the land you were giving and leave are animals alone... Or go back to the primitive methods.
Sounds like bs to me, what a poor attempt to get everyone off your back, getting hammered in the tread about yourself an baiting elk onto your land, why are there no pictures or anyone else that sern this :dunno:
:yeah:
All of these threads  and countless posts and no pics. I took a pic with my phone of a lumber rack i liked going down i5... Just saying....
Yeah i seen a nice rack at the mall several of them actually all trophies too :dunno:
Title: Re: Indians killing big bulls!!!!
Post by: Masterhunter340 on December 29, 2012, 11:02:49 PM
Naches sportsmen has seen this first hand as well!! Oh and by the way we have gotten 15 elk in 10 days. All legal cows!! Going after 2 more in the morning.
Title: Re: Indians killing big bulls!!!!
Post by: Bigtine96 on December 29, 2012, 11:06:13 PM
I dont think hes making this up, I've seen this same thing many times and just because I didnt take a picture as I went by doesnt mean I didnt see what I saw. Its the same ol same ol, a few indians abusing their "rights."
Title: Re: Indians killing big bulls!!!!
Post by: Time Immemorial on December 29, 2012, 11:06:51 PM
Naches sportsmen has seen this first hand as well!! Oh and by the way we have gotten 15 elk in 10 days. All legal cows!! Going after 2 more in the morning.
*censored* without pictures an did you an naches see the guys driving? They musta been in the store right??
Title: Re: Indians killing big bulls!!!!
Post by: Tbar on December 29, 2012, 11:12:46 PM
Naches sportsmen has seen this first hand as well!! Oh and by the way we have gotten 15 elk in 10 days. All legal cows!! Going after 2 more in the morning.
Pot......... Meet kettle.
Title: Re: Indians killing big bulls!!!!
Post by: Tbar on December 29, 2012, 11:29:02 PM
Naches sportsmen has seen this first hand as well!! Oh and by the way we have gotten 15 elk in 10 days. All legal cows!! Going after 2 more in the morning.
Were all those cows pregnant?  So if bulls and cows are born at a 1 to 1 ratio, you effectively killed 7 bulls and 22+ cows. You are criticizing who? Is this the same herd being hunted? On the same wintering grounds? With high powered rifles?
Title: Re: Indians killing big bulls!!!!
Post by: 6x6in6 on December 29, 2012, 11:37:00 PM
Naches sportsmen has seen this first hand as well!! Oh and by the way we have gotten 15 elk in 10 days. All legal cows!! Going after 2 more in the morning.
Were all those cows pregnant?  So if bulls and cows are born at a 1 to 1 ratio, you effectively killed 7 bulls and 22 cows. You are criticizing who? Is this the same herd being hunted? On the same wintering grounds? With high powered rifles?
No, it's Master Hunters only hunt and he charges an access fee to the MH's to go pick off a pregnant cow standing around some freshly laid out breakfast.
Title: Re: Indians killing big bulls!!!!
Post by: Tbar on December 29, 2012, 11:46:29 PM
Naches sportsmen has seen this first hand as well!! Oh and by the way we have gotten 15 elk in 10 days. All legal cows!! Going after 2 more in the morning.
Were all those cows pregnant?  So if bulls and cows are born at a 1 to 1 ratio, you effectively killed 7 bulls and 22 cows. You are criticizing who? Is this the same herd being hunted? On the same wintering grounds? With high powered rifles?
No, it's Master Hunters only hunt and he charges an access fee to the MH's to go pick off a pregnant cow standing around some freshly laid out breakfast.
Oh kinda like a feedlot just not a state sponsored one. I see....
Title: Re: Indians killing big bulls!!!!
Post by: 6x6in6 on December 29, 2012, 11:49:16 PM
Naches sportsmen has seen this first hand as well!! Oh and by the way we have gotten 15 elk in 10 days. All legal cows!! Going after 2 more in the morning.
Were all those cows pregnant?  So if bulls and cows are born at a 1 to 1 ratio, you effectively killed 7 bulls and 22 cows. You are criticizing who? Is this the same herd being hunted? On the same wintering grounds? With high powered rifles?
No, it's Master Hunters only hunt and he charges an access fee to the MH's to go pick off a pregnant cow standing around some freshly laid out breakfast.
Oh kinda like a feedlot just not a state sponsored one. I see....
Almost, except the "hired" help feeds them lead.  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Indians killing big bulls!!!!
Post by: 6x6in6 on December 29, 2012, 11:52:03 PM
Naches sportsmen has seen this first hand as well!! Oh and by the way we have gotten 15 elk in 10 days. All legal cows!! Going after 2 more in the morning.
Were all those cows pregnant?  So if bulls and cows are born at a 1 to 1 ratio, you effectively killed 7 bulls and 22 cows. You are criticizing who? Is this the same herd being hunted? On the same wintering grounds? With high powered rifles?
No, it's Master Hunters only hunt and he charges an access fee to the MH's to go pick off a pregnant cow standing around some freshly laid out breakfast.
Oh kinda like a feedlot just not a state sponsored one. I see....
This is pot...
Here is kettle.....
http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,112870.0.html (http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,112870.0.html)

Title: Re: Indians killing big bulls!!!!
Post by: Dan-o on December 29, 2012, 11:56:06 PM
Naches sportsmen has seen this first hand as well!! Oh and by the way we have gotten 15 elk in 10 days. All legal cows!! Going after 2 more in the morning.
Were all those cows pregnant?  So if bulls and cows are born at a 1 to 1 ratio, you effectively killed 7 bulls and 22 cows. You are criticizing who? Is this the same herd being hunted? On the same wintering grounds? With high powered rifles?
No, it's Master Hunters only hunt and he charges an access fee to the MH's to go pick off a pregnant cow standing around some freshly laid out breakfast.
Oh kinda like a feedlot just not a state sponsored one. I see....
This is pot...
Here is kettle.....
http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,112870.0.html (http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,112870.0.html)


Are you making these claims based on what you KNOW to be true, or based on what you read on the internet?

I'm just curious if you know the real circumstances or if this is conjecture on your part.

For instance, are you under the impression that he brings hay out for the elk?

Title: Re: Indians killing big bulls!!!!
Post by: Time Immemorial on December 30, 2012, 12:01:07 AM
Hey dan-o shouldnt you be looking for your camera :chuckle:
Title: Re: Indians killing big bulls!!!!
Post by: 6x6in6 on December 30, 2012, 12:03:01 AM
Naches sportsmen has seen this first hand as well!! Oh and by the way we have gotten 15 elk in 10 days. All legal cows!! Going after 2 more in the morning.
Were all those cows pregnant?  So if bulls and cows are born at a 1 to 1 ratio, you effectively killed 7 bulls and 22 cows. You are criticizing who? Is this the same herd being hunted? On the same wintering grounds? With high powered rifles?
No, it's Master Hunters only hunt and he charges an access fee to the MH's to go pick off a pregnant cow standing around some freshly laid out breakfast.
Oh kinda like a feedlot just not a state sponsored one. I see....
This is pot...
Here is kettle.....
http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,112870.0.html (http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,112870.0.html)


Are you making these claims based on what you KNOW to be true, or based on what you read on the internet?

I'm just curious if you know the real circumstances or if this is conjecture on your part.

For instance, are you under the impression that he brings hay out for the elk?
See post #50 in that link.
Title: Re: Indians killing big bulls!!!!
Post by: colockumelk on December 30, 2012, 12:10:54 AM
I was coming out of the Nile today( chinook pass) and stopped at at the woodshed store, to my surprise there where 4 pickups with racks and 7 big bull elk.... I think if they need all this meat stay on your own deeded land.... If they are going to come on to our land obey are seasons and laws... I'm tired of seeing this every year...

Did you take any pictures so we can start to do something about it or are you like everyone else and just want to complain about it.  Until we can prove to the tribal council via pictures that their people are abusing their rights and are taking more than their fair share especially in the mature bulls and bucks category nothing will be done its all heresy. 

Until people on here start documenting the waste and abuse (including fish) then nothing will he done.  We will just Piss and moan about the slaughter when it happens every winter.

And FYI I can't document anything because I am currently stationed 3,000 miles away.  So no I cant "put my money where my mouth is".
Title: Re: Indians killing big bulls!!!!
Post by: Time Immemorial on December 30, 2012, 12:43:11 AM
Its a distraction colockum I think if he had time to count the racks an trucks he had time to take pictures :dunno:
Title: Re: Indians killing big bulls!!!!
Post by: huntnphool on December 30, 2012, 12:44:43 AM
For those of you whiners, here is a thread for you to complain on............ http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,114158.msg1497934.html#msg1497934 (http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,114158.msg1497934.html#msg1497934)
Title: Re: Indians killing big bulls!!!!
Post by: Time Immemorial on December 30, 2012, 12:46:39 AM
I'm surprised you put it in tha general forum :tup:
Title: Re: Indians killing big bulls!!!!
Post by: crazysccrmd on December 30, 2012, 12:50:02 AM
Its a distraction colockum I think if he had time to count the racks an trucks he had time to take pictures :dunno:

You would think that one of the many people who say they see this would have a picture by now. I'm sure this stuff does happen but I can't believe not a single person could get evidence.
Title: Re: Indians killing big bulls!!!!
Post by: huntnphool on December 30, 2012, 12:53:02 AM
I'm surprised you put it in tha general forum :tup:
You know what, some of us are actually trying to come up with a equitable solution for all, and these people that do nothing but point fingers without any credible proof are not helping. Its not a deer or elk issue but rather both, so it needs to go in the general threads. :twocents:
Title: Re: Indians killing big bulls!!!!
Post by: huntnphool on December 30, 2012, 12:55:36 AM
Its a distraction colockum I think if he had time to count the racks an trucks he had time to take pictures :dunno:

You would think that one of the many people who say they see this would have a picture by now. I'm sure this stuff does happen but I can't believe not a single person could get evidence
Yes it is happening, even the indians on here know it, but without real proof there is little to nothing that can be done.
Title: Re: Indians killing big bulls!!!!
Post by: Dan-o on December 30, 2012, 12:56:15 AM
Hey dan-o shouldnt you be looking for your camera :chuckle:


 :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
Title: Re: Indians killing big bulls!!!!
Post by: Time Immemorial on December 30, 2012, 12:56:36 AM
Its a distraction colockum I think if he had time to count the racks an trucks he had time to take pictures :dunno:

You would think that one of the many people who say they see this would have a picture by now. I'm sure this stuff does happen but I can't believe not a single person could get evidence.
Kinda like I seen bigfoot but my camera didnt work :chuckle:
Title: Re: Indians killing big bulls!!!!
Post by: Dan-o on December 30, 2012, 12:57:37 AM
Its a distraction colockum I think if he had time to count the racks an trucks he had time to take pictures :dunno:

You would think that one of the many people who say they see this would have a picture by now. I'm sure this stuff does happen but I can't believe not a single person could get evidence.
Kinda like I seen bigfoot but my camera didnt work :chuckle:


Wrong thread, my friend!     :chuckle: :tup:
Title: Re: Indians killing big bulls!!!!
Post by: huntnphool on December 30, 2012, 12:59:20 AM
Its a distraction colockum I think if he had time to count the racks an trucks he had time to take pictures :dunno:

You would think that one of the many people who say they see this would have a picture by now. I'm sure this stuff does happen but I can't believe not a single person could get evidence.
Kinda like I seen bigfoot but my camera didnt work :chuckle:
Exactly!!! I wish these guys would stick to the bigfoot thread, their combined sightings and complaints carry about as much credibility.
Title: Re: Indians killing big bulls!!!!
Post by: Time Immemorial on December 30, 2012, 12:59:38 AM
Its a distraction colockum I think if he had time to count the racks an trucks he had time to take pictures :dunno:

You would think that one of the many people who say they see this would have a picture by now. I'm sure this stuff does happen but I can't believe not a single person could get evidence
Yes it is happening, even the indians on here know it, but without real proof there is little to nothing that can be done.
If an whenever you or Anybody on here gets the info with pictures to plateaundn I will go to council with him on this issue to help hows that for trying to get something done
Title: Re: Indians killing big bulls!!!!
Post by: Dan-o on December 30, 2012, 01:01:03 AM
Naches sportsmen has seen this first hand as well!! Oh and by the way we have gotten 15 elk in 10 days. All legal cows!! Going after 2 more in the morning.
Were all those cows pregnant?  So if bulls and cows are born at a 1 to 1 ratio, you effectively killed 7 bulls and 22 cows. You are criticizing who? Is this the same herd being hunted? On the same wintering grounds? With high powered rifles?
No, it's Master Hunters only hunt and he charges an access fee to the MH's to go pick off a pregnant cow standing around some freshly laid out breakfast.
Oh kinda like a feedlot just not a state sponsored one. I see....
This is pot...
Here is kettle.....
http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,112870.0.html (http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,112870.0.html)


Are you making these claims based on what you KNOW to be true, or based on what you read on the internet?

I'm just curious if you know the real circumstances or if this is conjecture on your part.

For instance, are you under the impression that he brings hay out for the elk?
See post #50 in that link.


Post 50?   Are you sure?    That would be the 5th post on the 4th page?   

Nothing in that post (that I see) that addresses my question.    :dunno:
Title: Re: Indians killing big bulls!!!!
Post by: Time Immemorial on December 30, 2012, 01:01:40 AM
Its a distraction colockum I think if he had time to count the racks an trucks he had time to take pictures :dunno:
 >:(

You would think that one of the many people who say they see this would have a picture by now. I'm sure this stuff does happen but I can't believe not a single person could get evidence.
Kinda like I seen bigfoot but my camera didnt work :chuckle:


Wrong thread, my friend!     :chuckle: :tup:
Dont ya mean  >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( :o
Title: Re: Indians killing big bulls!!!!
Post by: Dan-o on December 30, 2012, 01:02:56 AM
Its a distraction colockum I think if he had time to count the racks an trucks he had time to take pictures :dunno:

You would think that one of the many people who say they see this would have a picture by now. I'm sure this stuff does happen but I can't believe not a single person could get evidence
Yes it is happening, even the indians on here know it, but without real proof there is little to nothing that can be done.
If an whenever you or Anybody on here gets the info with pictures to plateaundn I will go to council with him on this issue to help hows that for trying to get something done

 :tup: :tup:   I'd give you more thumbs up, but I only have two.  Can't ask for more than you're offering.
Title: Re: Indians killing big bulls!!!!
Post by: huntnphool on December 30, 2012, 01:03:45 AM
Its a distraction colockum I think if he had time to count the racks an trucks he had time to take pictures :dunno:

You would think that one of the many people who say they see this would have a picture by now. I'm sure this stuff does happen but I can't believe not a single person could get evidence
Yes it is happening, even the indians on here know it, but without real proof there is little to nothing that can be done.
If an whenever you or Anybody on here gets the info with pictures to plateaundn I will go to council with him on this issue to help hows that for trying to get something done
I know you will, thank you. I've had PM's and text's with Plat and he has assured me that with real proof he will help in discussions with the tribe, much appreciated. :tup:
Title: Re: Indians killing big bulls!!!!
Post by: 6x6in6 on December 30, 2012, 01:06:55 AM
Its a distraction colockum I think if he had time to count the racks an trucks he had time to take pictures :dunno:

You would think that one of the many people who say they see this would have a picture by now. I'm sure this stuff does happen but I can't believe not a single person could get evidence
Yes it is happening, even the indians on here know it, but without real proof there is little to nothing that can be done.
If an whenever you or Anybody on here gets the info with pictures to plateaundn I will go to council with him on this issue to help hows that for trying to get something done

 :tup: :tup:   I'd give you more thumbs up, but I only have two.  Can't ask for more than you're offering.
I'll pitch in a pair.   :tup:  :tup:

Can you go back in Time now Hair?   :chuckle:
Title: Re: Indians killing big bulls!!!!
Post by: Time Immemorial on December 30, 2012, 01:12:33 AM
I can go anywhere as long as it is ceded land :chuckle:
Title: Re: Indians killing big bulls!!!!
Post by: Time Immemorial on December 30, 2012, 01:13:47 AM
 :dunno:
Who is this hair everyone keeps askin me about :dunno:
Title: Re: Indians killing big bulls!!!!
Post by: 6x6in6 on December 30, 2012, 01:27:47 AM
Naches sportsmen has seen this first hand as well!! Oh and by the way we have gotten 15 elk in 10 days. All legal cows!! Going after 2 more in the morning.
Were all those cows pregnant?  So if bulls and cows are born at a 1 to 1 ratio, you effectively killed 7 bulls and 22 cows. You are criticizing who? Is this the same herd being hunted? On the same wintering grounds? With high powered rifles?
No, it's Master Hunters only hunt and he charges an access fee to the MH's to go pick off a pregnant cow standing around some freshly laid out breakfast.
Oh kinda like a feedlot just not a state sponsored one. I see....
This is pot...
Here is kettle.....
http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,112870.0.html (http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,112870.0.html)


Are you making these claims based on what you KNOW to be true, or based on what you read on the internet?

I'm just curious if you know the real circumstances or if this is conjecture on your part.

For instance, are you under the impression that he brings hay out for the elk?
See post #50 in that link.


Post 50?   Are you sure?    That would be the 5th post on the 4th page?   

Nothing in that post (that I see) that addresses my question.    :dunno:
Well, it;s reply #50.  My bad.
And I have the 50 post per page view so it's page 2 to me.

Copied text:
 Re: Master elk hunt in Yakima
« Reply #50 on: December 17, 2012, 01:35:13 PM »

    Quote

Just dropped the hay off
.... Lol and yes I will be contacting the captain on a false statement. This will be my last post in here to you Internet detectives.  By the way it is legal to feed elk on your property and that all I'm doing. No different then people putting deer feeders or licks out. I have my same return clients so I'm not worried. And why should I not charge an access fee, it's my land. You start paying the taxes and maintaining it and you can hunt for free
Title: Re: Indians killing big bulls!!!!
Post by: bearpaw on December 30, 2012, 04:52:12 AM
please keep the profanity off the forum, thanks
Title: Re: Indians killing big bulls!!!!
Post by: billythekidrock on December 30, 2012, 05:07:34 AM
I was coming out of the Nile today( chinook pass) and stopped at at the woodshed store, to my surprise there where 4 pickups with racks and 7 big bull elk.... I think if they need all this meat stay on your own deeded land.... If they are going to come on to our land obey are seasons and laws... I'm tired of seeing this every year...

Does animal size make this bad, is it skin color or is it race?

Would you be as outraged if it was only a 4x4 in someones rig or what if it was a 5x partially gutted and left to rot on the side of the road? Both of these happened in the Winston yesterday durinng a cow hunt.
Title: Re: Indians killing big bulls!!!!
Post by: colockumelk on December 30, 2012, 09:23:34 AM
The anger comes from the fact that some members of the Yakama tribe and now Muckleshoot tribe kill multiple trophy bull elk every year.  Many are not what most consider a real hunter since they wait until winter hits and shoot them in their wintering grounds when they are trying to survive.  There have also been numerous incidents where Yakama members have shot trophy bull elk off of hay in or around the feeding station. 

Now compare this to someone like me who has 10pts and still can't draw a branch bull tag.  I will most likely never draw a branch bull tag in the Colockum, but a certain Yakama kills about 4 every year.  And yes I had pictures and posted them here.  Another discussion for another day. 

The anger stems from the lack of  equality.  Anytime there is inequality between two groups of people (also known as racial discrimination) there will be anger.   
Title: Re: Indians killing big bulls!!!!
Post by: asl20bball on December 30, 2012, 09:25:13 AM
take pictures then send to the news sources. This is a waste!!!!!! public needs to see this.
Title: Re: Indians killing big bulls!!!!
Post by: doyourtime89 on December 30, 2012, 09:28:11 AM
 

The anger stems from the lack of  equality.  Anytime there is inequality between two groups of people (also known as racial discrimination) there will be anger.
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 :yeah:
Title: Re: Indians killing big bulls!!!!
Post by: colockumelk on December 30, 2012, 12:06:39 PM
Exactly. The point myself and others are trying to make is not without pictures its not happening.  We ALL know its happening.. The only people that don't know its happening are either not ever up there to see it or they have blinders on. We know it happens every September in the Colockum and every Dec through Feb in the Yakima areas.  Our point is, is that complaining about it here only raises awareness about it on this website which is basically preaching to the choir.  If you want to change things everytime you see it take pictures post it up and/or send it to Plateau.  I dont think a media blitz is the way to go.  Let Plateau have a chance and for the Yakamas to work things out themselves.  If they don't then a media blitz as a last resort would be something I support. 
Title: Re: Indians killing big bulls!!!!
Post by: Time Immemorial on December 30, 2012, 12:07:24 PM
The anger comes from the fact that some members of the Yakama tribe and now Muckleshoot tribe kill multiple trophy bull elk every year.  Many are not what most consider a real hunter since they wait until winter hits and shoot them in their wintering grounds when they are trying to survive.  There have also been numerous incidents where Yakama members have shot trophy bull elk off of hay in or around the feeding station. 

Now compare this to someone like me who has 10pts and still can't draw a branch bull tag.  I will most likely never draw a branch bull tag in the Colockum, but a certain Yakama kills about 4 every year.  And yes I had pictures and posted them here.  Another discussion for another day. 

The anger stems from the lack of  equality.  Anytime there is inequality between two groups of people (also known as racial discrimination) there will be anger.
Hater :chuckle:
Title: Re: Indians killing big bulls!!!!
Post by: GEARHEAD on December 30, 2012, 12:33:05 PM
the tribes are full of *censored*, they talk of all this mother earth crap and throw around subsistence hunting left and right when people complain, well......how many cows do ya see in their pickups, they only shoot the bulls, and  for one reason, and it has nothing to do with subsistence.
Title: Re: Indians killing big bulls!!!!
Post by: SCRUBS on December 30, 2012, 01:02:36 PM
If it`s legal for them to shoot bulls, more power to them......

We signed the treaties, we should honor them.....
Title: Re: Indians killing big bulls!!!!
Post by: skills on December 30, 2012, 01:05:13 PM
We should do what Canada is doing.   BYE BYE  treaty
Title: Re: Indians killing big bulls!!!!
Post by: Bigtine96 on December 30, 2012, 01:31:26 PM
If it`s legal for them to shoot bulls, more power to them......

We signed the treaties, we should honor them.....

There wasn't elk here when the treaties were signed
Title: Re: Indians killing big bulls!!!!
Post by: sled on December 30, 2012, 01:36:50 PM
If it`s legal for them to shoot bulls, more power to them......

We signed the treaties, we should honor them.....

There wasn't elk here when the treaties were signed
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Title: Re: Indians killing big bulls!!!!
Post by: PolarBear on December 30, 2012, 01:37:19 PM
 
We should do what Canada is doing.   BYE BYE  treaty
:yeah:
My buddy and his family have been skiing up at White Pass and staying in Packwood this week.  They saw 2 huge bulls in the back of a white Dodge on the hwy.  He said they looked like tribal members.  His daughter tried to get a good pic on her cel phone but it is pretty blurry.  My wife's best friend's recent ex husband is a Yakima and recently moved back to WA from Arizona.  He has been shooting the *censored* out of the bulls in the Nile area.   :bash: :bash:
Title: Re: Indians killing big bulls!!!!
Post by: Time Immemorial on December 30, 2012, 02:04:55 PM
If it`s legal for them to shoot bulls, more power to them......

We signed the treaties, we should honor them.....

There wasn't elk here when the treaties were signed
There wasn't shiopos either
Title: Re: Indians killing big bulls!!!!
Post by: ICEMAN on December 30, 2012, 03:30:25 PM
Guys need to stop busting each others chops when they do not have a picture. We have all observed things and had no picture to prove what we saw. All of us.
Title: Re: Indians killing big bulls!!!!
Post by: Alan K on December 30, 2012, 03:39:46 PM
I don't see why it's such a big deal to post about seeing something like the OP did without having pictures. . . How many people have got pictures of wolves on here vs. the amount that have posted that they saw them?  It still boils down to whether you believe the person or not, just like anything else on here.  Picture or video proof would be nice to have to show to the media and the other 'nonbelievers', but for conversation pictures aren't vital.  :twocents:
Title: Re: Indians killing big bulls!!!!
Post by: PlateauNDN on December 30, 2012, 04:20:06 PM
I'm not questioning what he mightve saw but without pics or the person willing to testify to what they saw and be credible there is not a whole lot that can be done.  Why don't we focus on the topic and not venture off it?
Title: Re: Indians killing big bulls!!!!
Post by: carpsniperg2 on December 30, 2012, 04:40:22 PM
Last and final warning!

We are getting tired of baby sitting this thread learn to talk civil or there will be problems for more then a few people. Personal shots or racism will not be put up with. That goes for both sides.
Title: Re: Indians killing big bulls!!!!
Post by: ElaphusElatus on December 30, 2012, 05:41:32 PM
We should do what Canada is doing.   BYE BYE  treaty

Be careful what you ask for Skills, here is how British Columbia views native rights:

"Harvest Allocation Policy
Allocation is the process by which the available harvest of a particular wildlife population is divided amongst consumptive users, after the rights of First Nations have been considered. "

http://www.env.gov.bc.ca/fw/wildlife/harvest_alloc/ (http://www.env.gov.bc.ca/fw/wildlife/harvest_alloc/)

Title: Re: Indians killing big bulls!!!!
Post by: carpsniperg2 on December 30, 2012, 05:42:26 PM
There is now 1 ban handed out. Anyone else want to complain? No new member is going to join and tell us what to do. This thread is not going anyplace, but I will make sure it gets back on track.
Title: Re: Indians killing big bulls!!!!
Post by: deaner on December 30, 2012, 05:48:02 PM
this thread isnt doing anything other than getting everybody angry at each other        i think if native tribes were slaughtering elk and deer left and right like people make it sound, the animals would already be wiped out right?  or are you claiming this just started happening?  if there are still herds for them to kill then that would make me believe theyre harvesting responsibly.  that being said, if i had the rights they do, i would never eat beef again to put it one way.
Title: Re: Indians killing big bulls!!!!
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on December 30, 2012, 05:48:52 PM
We should do what Canada is doing.   BYE BYE  treaty

Be careful what you ask for Skills, here is how British Columbia views native rights:

"Harvest Allocation Policy
Allocation is the process by which the available harvest of a particular wildlife population is divided amongst consumptive users, after the rights of First Nations have been considered. "

http://www.env.gov.bc.ca/fw/wildlife/harvest_alloc/ (http://www.env.gov.bc.ca/fw/wildlife/harvest_alloc/)
:yike: :bdid: Please do not send that link to our Governor  :o :bdid: :yike: :pee:
Title: Re: Indians killing big bulls!!!!
Post by: sled on December 30, 2012, 05:53:02 PM
this thread isnt doing anything other than getting everybody angry at each other        i think if native tribes were slaughtering elk and deer left and right like people make it sound, the animals would already be wiped out right?  or are you claiming this just started happening?  if there are still herds for them to kill then that would make me believe theyre harvesting responsibly.  that being said, if i had the rights they do, i would never eat beef again to put it one way.
  did you just start hunting, or do you not hunt in the areas being talked about? 
 
Title: Re: Indians killing big bulls!!!!
Post by: deaner on December 30, 2012, 05:54:28 PM
i dont hunt in the areas youre talking about.   my statement is... if there is game to harvest then they must not be killing everything the way you say they are, or there wouldnt be enough animals for them to have these massacres.  just drawing a logical conclusion
Title: Re: Indians killing big bulls!!!!
Post by: Bigtine96 on December 30, 2012, 05:55:54 PM
this thread isnt doing anything other than getting everybody angry at each other        i think if native tribes were slaughtering elk and deer left and right like people make it sound, the animals would already be wiped out right?  or are you claiming this just started happening?  if there are still herds for them to kill then that would make me believe theyre harvesting responsibly.  that being said, if i had the rights they do, i would never eat beef again to put it one way.
  did you just start hunting, or do you not hunt in the areas being talked about? 
 

Alot of people dont see first hand whats happening. Thats why I like these threads to try and get people that have no idea, informed a little about whats happening in their own state. Even if they always turn into S storms and the Natives on here try and make it seem blown out of proportion some people can use their common sence and get a little info on whats actually going on.
Title: Re: Indians killing big bulls!!!!
Post by: deaner on December 30, 2012, 05:57:01 PM
maybe ill just go have a look for myself
Title: Re: Indians killing big bulls!!!!
Post by: gasman on December 30, 2012, 05:57:33 PM
and we got 2 more months of this kinda *censored*  :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash:
Title: Re: Indians killing big bulls!!!!
Post by: Bigtine96 on December 30, 2012, 05:59:55 PM
and we got 2 more months of this kinda *censored*  :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash:

Ya funny how they stop hunting when the horns drop :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Indians killing big bulls!!!!
Post by: PlateauNDN on December 30, 2012, 06:08:58 PM
Like I said before close, barricade somehow seal off roads that lead to wintering grounds and there wouldn't be issues. 
Title: Re: Indians killing big bulls!!!!
Post by: Time Immemorial on December 30, 2012, 06:11:15 PM
Tha one sided bashing is *censored* that needs to stop also come on do you guys need a hug is that what it
Is??
Title: Re: Indians killing big bulls!!!!
Post by: ICEMAN on December 30, 2012, 06:44:51 PM
Tha one sided bashing is bs that needs to stop also come on do you guys need a hug is that what it
Is??

Hairtrigger, must you only provoke with most of your posts? The issue is notably a hot one. We all need to back off and tone it down a notch.
Title: Re: Indians killing big bulls!!!!
Post by: bod on December 30, 2012, 07:26:34 PM
Whoever is removing truthful posts off of this thread is part of the problem of this state and country.
Title: Re: Indians killing big bulls!!!!
Post by: ICEMAN on December 30, 2012, 07:31:02 PM
Whoever is removing truthful posts off of this thread is part of the problem of this state and country.

Mods are removing posts deemed racist or overly provacative. Don't like it, walk away.

Edit; I just checked our trash can and noted a post of yours that was totally out of line. Re-read the forum rules.
Title: Re: Indians killing big bulls!!!!
Post by: Time Immemorial on December 30, 2012, 07:33:46 PM
Iceman I'm not gonna fall for it again an let you ban me  :chuckle:
Why are our post most of the ones that get deleted,  :dunno:
Come here ya big lug you can be the first to get a hug :chuckle:
Title: Re: Indians killing big bulls!!!!
Post by: ICEMAN on December 30, 2012, 07:38:21 PM
Iceman I'm not gonna fall for it again an let you ban me  :chuckle:
Why are our post most of the ones that get deleted,  :dunno:
Come here ya big lug you can be the first to get a hug :chuckle:

Ask around, I have not deleted or modified posts today accept for a classified ad placed in the wrong spot.

You guys need to put yourselves in our shoes. As a group, we often share before we react, this way we feel we are a bit covered from performing an action which will be received poorly. Sometimes our actions are not appreciated I am sure, but in the end, we have maintained this site successfully for a long while.

Title: Indians killing big bulls!!!!
Post by: jackelope on December 30, 2012, 07:39:17 PM
Whoever is removing truthful posts off of this thread is part of the problem of this state and country.
If you're talking about the post you made that got nuked, it is up there among the top most racist posts I've seen on here. If that's your idea if right and true, I'm not sure what to say. You're more than welcome to find another forum to partake in if you don't like this one.
Title: Re: Indians killing big bulls!!!!
Post by: Time Immemorial on December 30, 2012, 07:41:53 PM
Dang it I missed another good one :dunno:
Title: Re: Indians killing big bulls!!!!
Post by: sled on December 30, 2012, 08:00:31 PM
Dang it I missed another good one :dunno:
  I missed it to but I don't think it was good. :chuckle:
Title: Re: Indians killing big bulls!!!!
Post by: SCRUBS on December 30, 2012, 08:18:31 PM
If it`s legal for them to shoot bulls, more power to them......

We signed the treaties, we should honor them.....

There wasn't elk here when the treaties were signed

This same logic is used by the gun haters about the 2A.....





Title: Re: Indians killing big bulls!!!!
Post by: SCRUBS on December 30, 2012, 08:19:26 PM
Dang it I missed another good one :dunno:
  I missed it to but I don't think it was good. :chuckle:

Me too, bet it was funny, they usually are :chuckle:
Title: Re: Indians killing big bulls!!!!
Post by: MuleyJam on December 30, 2012, 08:22:34 PM
This makes me sick! I hate how indians kill all the elk they want on our land!
Title: Re: Indians killing big bulls!!!!
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on December 30, 2012, 08:27:37 PM
Come get the nooksack ones, so I don't have to play dodge an elk everyday to work, it's get really old after awhile!  :hello:
Title: Re: Indians killing big bulls!!!!
Post by: Time Immemorial on December 30, 2012, 08:35:29 PM
This makes me sick! I hate how indians kill all the elk they want on our land!
Yup them dang indians should go back yo India :tup:
Title: Re: Indians killing big bulls!!!!
Post by: crazysccrmd on December 30, 2012, 08:40:10 PM
Man, my posts got deleted.  :'(

Hopefully no one took them as racist/hateful/etc, but they were definitely a little off the main topic.
Title: Re: Indians killing big bulls!!!!
Post by: Wea300mag on December 30, 2012, 08:44:49 PM
This one is locked, if you take it to another thread you will be banned!!!
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