Post by: splitshot on January 04, 2013, 06:52:18 PM
Post by: Bigtine96 on January 04, 2013, 06:56:00 PM
Post by: Bob33 on January 04, 2013, 06:58:39 PM
Post by: 762Armo on January 04, 2013, 07:00:32 PM
Post by: high country on January 04, 2013, 07:02:20 PM
Post by: Biggerhammer on January 04, 2013, 07:02:53 PM
Most people can handle 300 WSM recoil. .300 WSM DEAD or .300 Ultra REAL DEAD.
Post by: BullMagnet76 on January 04, 2013, 07:29:49 PM
Post by: GEARHEAD on January 04, 2013, 07:37:14 PM
Post by: Bob33 on January 04, 2013, 07:38:47 PM
.300 WSM :tup: :tup:I agree on both counts although I see the primary advantage of the Ultra as flatter trajectory more than increased energy/killing effectiveness. :twocents:
Most people can handle 300 WSM recoil. .300 WSM DEAD or .300 Ultra REAL DEAD.
Post by: Biggerhammer on January 04, 2013, 07:43:44 PM
.300 WSM :tup: :tup:I agree on both counts although I see the primary advantage of the Ultra as flatter trajectory more than increased energy/killing effectiveness. :twocents:
Most people can handle 300 WSM recoil. .300 WSM DEAD or .300 Ultra REAL DEAD.
I'm a super magnum junkie, I shoot stuff that would break most men. ;)
Post by: Rick on January 04, 2013, 07:45:50 PM
It'll appeal to more people IMO.
Post by: RadSav on January 04, 2013, 07:47:11 PM
Post by: jackelope on January 04, 2013, 07:48:08 PM
Post by: jackelope on January 04, 2013, 07:48:42 PM
Post by: Wanttohuntmore on January 04, 2013, 07:50:01 PM
Post by: yorketransport on January 04, 2013, 08:14:19 PM
If this were somebody looking to put down their own money to buy the gun I would say 300 WSM. I don't think the Ultra offers enough of an advantage over the 300 WSM other than a slight trajectory differance. Even then only the long range guys would see the benefit of the Ultra.
Having said that, I have both. :chuckle: The WSM is a rifle and the Ultra mag is a pistol. :tup:
Andrew
Post by: gadwall on January 04, 2013, 08:33:00 PM
Ill take a 7 ultra. :chuckle:
:yeah:
For popularity at a fundraiser, I would go with the 300 short mag
Post by: The100Road on January 04, 2013, 08:35:53 PM
Post by: longrangekiller on January 04, 2013, 08:39:33 PM
Post by: splitshot on January 04, 2013, 08:47:24 PM
Post by: Biggerhammer on January 04, 2013, 08:53:22 PM
we all ready have a 300 win mag so we are going to something else. i am leaning toward the rum in 300. thanks for the help. more stuff is welcomed. the whole deal is to sell tickets and give the lucky winner a nice elk rifle that will last the rest of his/her life, and might be passed down to his or her heirs. mike w, by the way our rmef banquet is feb. 2 in moses lake and if you want to go pm me and we can arrange it, thank you for watching.
The .300 Ultra is a bruiser cartridge and 90 percent of your hunters can't handle the recoil of one. I can't even count the number of them I have seen return to shops shortly after being purchased. Consignment, traded back or sold back. If a pool of average hunters were involved I would think the 300 WSM would be more desirable.
Post by: splitshot on January 04, 2013, 09:04:05 PM
Post by: Bob33 on January 04, 2013, 09:08:45 PM
The .300 Ultra is a bruiser cartridge and 90 percent of your hunters can't handle the recoil of one. I can't even count the number of them I have seen return to shops shortly after being purchased. Consignment, traded back or sold back. If a pool of average hunters were involved I would think the 300 WSM would be more desirable.That is very true, and I suspect if you ball and dummied 100 big game hunters you would find quite a few that flinch with a 300 magnum of any variety. Taking advantage of the RUM's additional power is not easy. The WSM can be more accurately shot by more hunters in my opinion.
But look at it this way: with a RUM you get the added benefit of using empty cartridge cases for coffee mugs.
Post by: yorketransport on January 04, 2013, 09:15:04 PM
But look at it this way: with a RUM you get the added benefit of using empty cartridge cases for coffee mugs.
:yeah: :chuckle:
I wish I would have thought of that!
Andrew
Post by: longrangekiller on January 04, 2013, 09:19:42 PM
But look at it this way: with a RUM you get the added benefit of using empty cartridge cases for coffee mugs.
:yeah: :chuckle:
I wish I would have thought of that!
Andrew
Or u can sell em to me for half price :tup: :chuckle:
Post by: huntnphool on January 04, 2013, 09:22:35 PM
Post by: Biggerhammer on January 04, 2013, 10:46:10 PM
The .300 Ultra is a bruiser cartridge and 90 percent of your hunters can't handle the recoil of one. I can't even count the number of them I have seen return to shops shortly after being purchased. Consignment, traded back or sold back. If a pool of average hunters were involved I would think the 300 WSM would be more desirable.That is very true, and I suspect if you ball and dummied 100 big game hunters you would find quite a few that flinch with a 300 magnum of any variety. Taking advantage of the RUM's additional power is not easy. The WSM can be more accurately shot by more hunters in my opinion.
But look at it this way: with a RUM you get the added benefit of using empty cartridge cases for coffee mugs.
Or shot glasses for that matter. ;)
Post by: high country on January 04, 2013, 11:10:25 PM
Post by: JackOfAllTrades on January 04, 2013, 11:22:51 PM
Post by: mountainman on January 04, 2013, 11:27:32 PM
Hell, if you want horsepower, toss a 416 meteor in the mix.
:tup: :)
Post by: carpsniperg2 on January 04, 2013, 11:41:11 PM
The last friend that was talking having a big 30+ magnum came over and was talking options with me. I told him before you get crazy and drop 3-4k why don't you shoot a few of mine :chuckle: Let's just say he went to a 7mm mag instead.
Kinda wish I would have let him build it and then bought it from him when he found out he did not like it :chuckle: I try to be a better friend then that :chuckle:
Post by: hoyt2002 on January 05, 2013, 12:05:00 AM
Post by: Biggerhammer on January 05, 2013, 12:16:40 AM
Hell, if you want horsepower, toss a 416 meteor in the mix. I would buy a 375 ultra.....if more guys knew the accuracy potential of the 375......it would be the new elk master.
The .375 Ultra is the most accurate of the ultra mags I have shot, 3 of them have been spooky accurate. The first three rounds with hand loads I had used in the two prior .375 Ultra's . Shot .375 at 100 yards in the current one.
Post by: yorketransport on January 05, 2013, 05:56:19 AM
Hell, if you want horsepower, toss a 416 meteor in the mix. I would buy a 375 ultra.....if more guys knew the accuracy potential of the 375......it would be the new elk master.Now it's getting interesting!
Serious elk calibers start at 338, and get better as you go up! :tup:
Andrew
Post by: elkinrutdrivemenuts on January 05, 2013, 07:06:02 AM
Post by: yorketransport on January 05, 2013, 09:16:46 AM
300 ultra mag hands down. Give the short mag to the women and children.
And give a 30-06 to all the guys who buy an Ultra mag and realize that they can't afford to shoot it, and that they can't handle it. Then they never shoot it enough to actually become proficient with it, and go cripple game animals at 600+ yards. :bash:
That's then down side to the Ultra, it takes a pretty serious commitment to learn to shoot them well.
Andrew
Post by: ICEMAN on January 05, 2013, 09:18:31 AM
300 ultra mag hands down. Give the short mag to the women and children.
Exactly! :chuckle:
Post by: mountainman on January 05, 2013, 09:19:31 AM
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Now it's getting interesting!
Serious elk calibers start at 338, and get better as you go up! :tup:
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Post by: ICEMAN on January 05, 2013, 09:19:58 AM
300 ultra mag hands down. Give the short mag to the women and children.
And give a 30-06 to all the guys who buy an Ultra mag and realize that they can't afford to shoot it, and that they can't handle it. Then they never shoot it enough to actually become proficient with it, and go cripple game animals at 600+ yards. :bash:
That's then down side to the Ultra, it takes a pretty serious commitment to learn to shoot them well.
Andrew
Here is a whole 'nother thread...
Yorke, how many round should it take to become proficient? :chuckle:
Post by: yorketransport on January 05, 2013, 09:28:37 AM
300 ultra mag hands down. Give the short mag to the women and children.
And give a 30-06 to all the guys who buy an Ultra mag and realize that they can't afford to shoot it, and that they can't handle it. Then they never shoot it enough to actually become proficient with it, and go cripple game animals at 600+ yards. :bash:
That's then down side to the Ultra, it takes a pretty serious commitment to learn to shoot them well.
Andrew
Here is a whole 'nother thread...
Yorke, how many round should it take to become proficient? :chuckle:
For me? 3 shots to zero the scope! :chuckle:
My rule when I teach people to shoot, is that they need to be able to hit my 8" steel gong 10 for 10 from a field position. Whatever range you can accomplish this at is what I consider their max range. If they can only do that at 50 yards, then they are proficient at 50 yards. If you can run that at 1000 yards, then that's your range.
It's just important to understand that the "proficiency range" changes from gun to gun. I don't care if they can shoot a perfect score with a 243 at 600 yards. That doesn't mean you can do it with the Ultra mag at that range!
Andrew
Post by: ICEMAN on January 05, 2013, 09:36:05 AM
When I first purchased my 300rum, I sighted the gun in...then returned to the woods each weekend for quite some time. Proficiency in my case was a single first shot. Had to be withing 3" of center at 300 yards. My choice for me was that 300 yard max. Some days I would drive out, take out a target and the gun, one shot on my 300 yard range. In the snow or on a 100 degree day. One shot trip.
Obviously the gun is able to do much more, but when I can tip beer cans at 300 yards, for me, I consider this proficient.
Post by: elkinrutdrivemenuts on January 05, 2013, 10:25:52 AM
300 ultra mag hands down. Give the short mag to the women and children.
And give a 30-06 to all the guys who buy an Ultra mag and realize that they can't afford to shoot it, and that they can't handle it. Then they never shoot it enough to actually become proficient with it, and go cripple game animals at 600+ yards. :bash:
That's then down side to the Ultra, it takes a pretty serious commitment to learn to shoot them well.
Andrew
It's kind of a sick obsession we ultra mag owners have. I got the 338 RUM and my shoulder is bruised after a session at the range, but I always come back for more and I am most confident with that rifle. There is just something about the power I love!
And reloading is a must with ultra mags!!!
Post by: splitshot on January 05, 2013, 05:40:40 PM
Post by: yorketransport on January 05, 2013, 06:09:43 PM
why is reloading a must for a rum? i think i know but want to know for sure. i do want to thank everyone who had input to this thread. next year we will have a 338 rum on one of our board games. mike w
It's purely a cost saving measure. 300 RUM ammo is $45-75 a box.
Andrew
Post by: MountainWalk on January 05, 2013, 06:11:59 PM
Post by: high country on January 05, 2013, 06:13:13 PM
Post by: elkinrutdrivemenuts on January 05, 2013, 06:23:53 PM
why is reloading a must for a rum? i think i know but want to know for sure. i do want to thank everyone who had input to this thread. next year we will have a 338 rum on one of our board games. mike w
Cost is the biggest part, and it's nice I play with difference bullets.
Post by: haugenna on January 05, 2013, 06:47:45 PM
Post by: Curly on January 05, 2013, 06:53:39 PM
Elk? 338 Win Mag
:yeah:
Post by: atc250r18 on January 05, 2013, 10:32:34 PM
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Post by: Magnum_Willys on January 05, 2013, 10:41:32 PM