Post by: halfpipe88 on January 08, 2013, 12:22:31 PM
The XD-S comes in 45 AUTO while the Shield comes in 9mm or .40cal. That results in the Shield carrying 7-8 bullets while the XD-S only carries 5. Would that put me at a disadvantage?
9mm and .40 is cheaper, meaning the more I practice the more the XD-S would cost, but is the .45 AUTO knockdown power important?
The Shield used to be about $450, but now is closer to $700...XD-S is remaining around $550. Why would the shield go up so much but not the XD-S?
Supposedly the XD-S is supposed to come out in 9mm and .40, but I don't know when that will be...looking for one to buy with my tax return in February so I don't want to wait, otherwise I'd go with the XD-S in 9mm or .40. I love the look and the fiber optic sights!
Those that do carry these, what is the best holster you've found?
Thanks for all your help!! Really appreciate and value it.
Post by: h20hunter on January 08, 2013, 12:26:14 PM
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Post by: sirmissalot on January 08, 2013, 12:46:01 PM
Post by: wildmanoutdoors on January 08, 2013, 12:46:23 PM
40 SW was developed to have the kind of knockdown power of the 45 but in a smaller cal so double stackers could be thinner and or carry more rounds. It was designed for law enforcement when the FBI began looking for more knockdown and high capacity than the 9mm. It meandered from the 10mm which was just too much kick for most Leo's.
You cant go wrong with the 40 S and W!
Mary's pistols in Tacoma has em priced at 395. I got mine the Friday before Xmas. You have to keep calling to see when one is coming in though. There hard to get as lots want them.
5 or 8 rounds, hmmmmmm....Ill take 8 thanks!
Plus the trigger is really great. Its not a springy feeling trigger like a Glock or my
USP. Its more like a single action with lots of take up. And the safty really is a nice addition! Too many tupperware guns dont have safetys IMO. There not for begginer IMO.
But the shield has a nice safety, great trigger, Strike fire firing system that really controls the recoil of the 40 in such a small piece.
For my holster Im carring it in a holster store, forward cant, left hand at the SOB. I also carry it in my coat pocket, back pocket, fishing vest pocket. It fits about anywere!
Post by: Fisherdave10 on January 08, 2013, 12:54:39 PM
The XDS was nice, but is kind of finicky. Recoil was pretty significant.
The Shield is a fighting gun. It never gave me an issue. James Yeager says he would trust his life to his 9mm Shield. He has had over 7,000 rounds through it with no malfunctions.
Go with the Shield, and I recommend 9mm over .40 in such a small gun.
Don't pay $700. They should be around $400. Check local shops regularly.
Post by: wildmanoutdoors on January 08, 2013, 12:58:17 PM
45 ACP max velocity is about 1150
40 SW is about 1450
I think if you do some homework you will see they have about the same stopping power.
I love my 45's, but that damm shield keeps going everywere with me now. Lol
Post by: DBHAWTHORNE on January 08, 2013, 01:09:06 PM
We went with the 9mm for a number of reasons:
1. Ammo Capacity
2. Ammo prices
3. Less recoil in a small gun
4. "Stopping Power" vs .40/.45...slightly less but negligible (from the majority of studies I have seen) and probably offset by the fact that I can shoot it more often and more accurately than I would be able to if it were a .40 or .45.
We have put 2K rounds through each of them with all kinds of ammo...no issues.
I definitely wouldn't pay 700 apiece for them.
I bought my first one from cabelas the first day they were available. While I was doing my paperwork they sold three more. I went back two weeks later and bought my second one... same deal...they sold 3-4 just while I was standing there.
Post by: JH on January 08, 2013, 04:23:49 PM
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Post by: halfpipe88 on January 09, 2013, 07:00:52 AM
Post by: Machias on January 09, 2013, 07:08:04 AM
M&P Compact vs M&P Shield - Buying choices/decisions (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hERsGIcxQMY#ws)
Post by: Machias on January 09, 2013, 07:10:54 AM
XDS VS SHIELD (SIZE COMPARISON) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGQ4YXR3AnY#ws)
Post by: wildmanoutdoors on January 09, 2013, 07:18:16 AM
Shields here are going for 395. What are they going for there?
Post by: Machias on January 09, 2013, 07:37:20 AM
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Post by: wildmanoutdoors on January 09, 2013, 10:26:27 AM
Too me the stopping power of the 40 over the 9 easily outweighs the ammo cost. I reload on a progressive so cost is no concern for me.
With 2 recoil springs and its striker fired system its easily managable. It was designed to be after all. And its fast! ;)
Read some reports. Recoil is far less than you think it may be.
If ammo cost is an issue, buy the 9. If it aint, go for the 40!
Post by: Machias on January 09, 2013, 11:27:31 AM
Post by: DBHAWTHORNE on January 09, 2013, 12:01:55 PM
40 ammo may be more than 9 but everyone who thinks the shield 40 cannot be shot fast and accurate needs to do a bit more research on the gun.
Too me the stopping power of the 40 over the 9 easily outweighs the ammo cost. I reload on a progressive so cost is no concern for me.
With 2 recoil springs and its striker fired system its easily managable. It was designed to be after all. And its fast! ;)
Read some reports. Recoil is far less than you think it may be.
If ammo cost is an issue, buy the 9. If it aint, go for the 40!
I don't think anyone would argue that the .40 can't be shot fast and accurate. I know it can be shot fast and accurate but I know I can personally put more rounds down range faster and more accurately with the 9mm shield. I consider the faster accuracy "stopping power" in and of itself.
I have put 500 rounds through a Shield .40 and it is a little snappier than the 9mm (though its still very manageable and a pleasure to shoot)..... prior to the shield coming out I had shot thousands of rounds through the full size M&P .40 and full size M&P 9mm......that was all of the research I needed to make my personal decision to go with the 9mm. No argument that the .40 has more "stopping power" but with modern defense ammo the 9mm is no slouch and undeniably gets the job done. For me 8 rounds is > 7 rounds and dang nice to have in such a compact platform.
What it really comes down to is personal preference. I do not feel undergunned carrying the 9mm vs the .40 vs. the 45.....If I was restricted to using only FMJ then I would want a .45...... If I am facing a shotgun I will feel undergunned holding any of those options. :twocents:
Post by: Machias on January 09, 2013, 12:04:39 PM
If I am facing a shotgun I will feel undergunned holding any of those options. :twocents:
:tup:
Personally, still prefer the .40. ;)
Post by: Alchase on January 09, 2013, 12:13:31 PM
Seriously, how about penetration :tup:
Post by: halfpipe88 on January 09, 2013, 12:24:27 PM
Post by: DBHAWTHORNE on January 09, 2013, 12:28:37 PM
Good stuff! Anyone carry a larger pistol that wishes it was smaller? Anyone perfectly happy with the way they carry a larger pistol and what method of carry do you carry? I was thinking IWB at 4 o'clock, or Appendix. Your thoughts?
When I carry my larger weapons like my awesome G20 I only do so if I OWB carry. I know some people have no issues IWB carrying larger guns but it's just not comfortable for me.
Post by: Alchase on January 09, 2013, 12:35:32 PM
Usually between 2:30 - 3:00,
IWB and OWB
XD, .40 4 in. service, just the right size, lol
A buddy just bought the Ruger SR9, that thing is very narrow (to narrow for my hand) easy to hide.
Post by: wildmanoutdoors on January 09, 2013, 02:29:04 PM
Knockdown power, with a handgun round :bash:
Seriously, how about penetration :tup:
Penetration is almost the same for all 3 calibers. ;)
Back to knockdown/Energy power... :chuckle:
I read a study the military was working on about the M-9 they issue and why they want to get rid of the 9mm.
On average after 2 solid hits in the torso the enemy still had 15 seconds on average to return fire. And its due to lack of energy...plain and simple.
But its all the same as Chevy, Ford and Dodge. To each there own.
Post by: DBHAWTHORNE on January 09, 2013, 03:03:45 PM
Knockdown power, with a handgun round :bash:
Seriously, how about penetration :tup:
Penetration is almost the same for all 3 calibers. ;)
Back to knockdown/Energy power... :chuckle:
I read a study the military was working on about the M-9 they issue and why they want to get rid of the 9mm.
On average after 2 solid hits in the torso the enemy still had 15 seconds on average to return fire. And its due to lack of energy...plain and simple.
But its all the same as Chevy, Ford and Dodge. To each there own.
There is a large difference between the FMJ's that we have to use in the military and modern self defense ammo. If I was restricted to FMJs for conceal carry then forget the 9mm or the .40...I would go with nothing less than a .45 everytime.
Post by: wildmanoutdoors on January 09, 2013, 03:16:41 PM
Im with ya there!
Post by: DBHAWTHORNE on January 09, 2013, 03:26:24 PM
Great point! I did not realise they had to use FMJ's even in the 9's.
Im with ya there!
I don't want to misrepresent... The US can and does use JHP for special purposes... but generally it's the FMJ.
Post by: Jingles on January 09, 2013, 03:33:11 PM
I carry a full sized XD 45 13+1 IWB mid back I find it very comfortable and there have been times when I almost forgot I even had it
Post by: timberghost72 on January 09, 2013, 08:30:09 PM
http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,114605.0.html (http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,114605.0.html)
Post by: halfpipe88 on January 10, 2013, 12:09:31 PM
Post by: Fisherdave10 on January 10, 2013, 12:23:00 PM
Some forget when it comes to handgun calibers. All handgun calibers suck. No duty caliber comes close to the knockdown power and effectiveness of a 12GA buckshot load, or .223 from an AR15. 9 vs .40 vs .45 is pointless.
Shot placement is everything. Not caliber. Load up with the best defensive ammo you can. I use Federal HSTs.
Post by: ellensburgpo on January 10, 2013, 12:25:28 PM
I didn't know you could get an extended magazine for the XD-S...I like that. That would obviously make it a little harder to conceal...
Even with extended mag it's not hard to conceal at all.
Post by: halfpipe88 on January 10, 2013, 12:29:39 PM
Post by: Alchase on January 10, 2013, 12:41:31 PM
Knockdown power, with a handgun round :bash:
Seriously, how about penetration :tup:
Penetration is almost the same for all 3 calibers. ;)
Back to knockdown/Energy power... :chuckle:
I read a study the military was working on about the M-9 they issue and why they want to get rid of the 9mm.
On average after 2 solid hits in the torso the enemy still had 15 seconds on average to return fire. And its due to lack of energy...plain and simple.
But its all the same as Chevy, Ford and Dodge. To each there own.
There is a large difference between the FMJ's that we have to use in the military and modern self defense ammo. If I was restricted to FMJs for conceal carry then forget the 9mm or the .40...I would go with nothing less than a .45 everytime.
The FBI disagrees, lol
They conclude there is no such thing as "knockdown power" it is a myth.
In the same study that chose the 10MM, they also stated 85% of all perpetrators shot with 9MM, continued to fight.
They then revised three years later to the .40 cal do to the recorded inaccuracy of the followup shots for the 10MM do to recoil.
Someone explain exactly what science is "knockdown Power"?
Post by: Alchase on January 10, 2013, 12:49:44 PM
What's the best kind of holster for concealed carry?
For IWB comfort and concealability I prefer the Galco King Tuk, the Crossbreed is good as well, but the King Tuk is better quality.
Milt Sparks Versa Max II is also extremely comfortable, if you have the money and the 6 month wait time.
Any OWB will be more comfortable then the best IWB because it is not snugged between your belt/pants and your skin, OWB is not as concealable as IWB, but more then sufficient for everyday use.
There are a ton of good holsters, try a bunch on IWB and OWB. You might be more comfortable with something else.
Post by: DBHAWTHORNE on January 10, 2013, 07:17:22 PM
What's the best kind of holster for concealed carry?
For IWB comfort and concealability I prefer the Galco King Tuk, the Crossbreed is good as well, but the King Tuk is better quality.
Milt Sparks Versa Max II is also extremely comfortable, if you have the money and the 6 month wait time.
Any OWB will be more comfortable then the best IWB because it is not snugged between your belt/pants and your skin, OWB is not as concealable as IWB, but more then sufficient for everyday use.
There are a ton of good holsters, try a bunch on IWB and OWB. You might be more comfortable with something else.
:yeah:
I can second the king tuk and crossbreed as being good IWB holsters
Post by: halfpipe88 on January 11, 2013, 12:41:24 PM
Post by: DBHAWTHORNE on January 11, 2013, 12:44:20 PM
I called Hole In The Wall in Kennewick, There's a list of 16 on the waiting list for the S&W Shield 9mm. I'm #17...we'll see how long that takes! about $430. I'd rather wait for one than pay $300 more on GunsAmerica! Still sucks to have to wait. Oh well, give me time to build up ammo and get a holster.
Good to hear you went with the Shield...and the 9mm :chuckle:... You won't be disappointed.