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Big Game Hunting => Muzzleloader Hunting => Topic started by: longstevo on September 17, 2008, 10:28:37 PM

Title: Help! Having issues with my Knight Wolverine...
Post by: longstevo on September 17, 2008, 10:28:37 PM: I took my Knight Wolverine out of the safe last week and tried to pull it apart to clean it, but the endcap is completely stuck. There must have been some crud in there from last season that gummed up.

Anyways, I've used wrenches, rubber gloves and heat to try and get this thing undone, but to no avail. It won't move.

Any suggestions for getting this out without causing harm to the weapon? The season is fast approaching...
Title: Re: Help! Having issues with my Knight Wolverine...
Post by: HntnFsh on September 18, 2008, 12:52:40 PM: If you mean the bolt,Ive had that happen.

I spray it with a good penetrating oil and let it soak a bit.
Put gun in a vice and use a pair of channel locks or vice grips with a rag around thE bolt for protection.

i ALWAYS PUT A COAT OF GREASE ON THE O RING TOO.
Title: Re: Help! Having issues with my Knight Wolverine...
Post by: Little Fish on September 18, 2008, 01:26:57 PM: Penetrating oil and let it soak. I assume you are talking the breach plug. Also try tightening and then loosening using a tapping action on the end of whatever wrench you are using to
break it loose.
Title: Re: Help! Having issues with my Knight Wolverine...
Post by: longstevo on September 18, 2008, 03:37:11 PM: Right on, sounds good.

What is a good penetrating oil? WD40 didn't seem to do the trick, but I don't know if that qualifies and 'penetrating' oil.
Title: Re: UNIT 578 muzzleloader late hunt
Post by: MagKarl on September 18, 2008, 03:40:24 PM: Kroil is the best penetrating fluid I've found. PB Blaster is another good one. Plain old kerosene also works.
Title: Re: Help! Having issues with my Knight Wolverine...
Post by: HntnFsh on September 18, 2008, 04:39:20 PM: Aero Kroil is good, PB Blaster is decent.
Title: Re: Help! Having issues with my Knight Wolverine...
Post by: Sagedawg on September 18, 2008, 06:20:07 PM: Set the barrel in a bucket with super hot water, pour a little Marvel Mystery oil down the muzzle and let it soak until the water is cool. Pull it out and unscrew the breech plug, been there done that and found this on another sight. Once you got it apart clean the threads with a stiff brush to clean the gunk out. Also like HntNFSH said grease the O-ring befor you reassemble it and youll be good to go.

Sage
Title: Re: Help! Having issues with my Knight Wolverine...
Post by: longstevo on September 21, 2008, 10:06:44 AM: Right on.

What's the best place to buy penetrating oils like Aero Kroil/PB Blaster/Marvel Mystery oil? Can I just get them at Home Depot?
Title: Re: Help! Having issues with my Knight Wolverine...
Post by: Sagedawg on September 21, 2008, 11:25:15 AM: You can get any of them at NAPA ,Autozone etc. Let us know how it goes.

Sage
Title: Re: Help! Having issues with my Knight Wolverine...
Post by: Little Fish on September 22, 2008, 11:31:39 AM: Did you get it done? Muzzy elk is just around the corner.
Title: Re: Help! Having issues with my Knight Wolverine...
Post by: longstevo on September 23, 2008, 05:45:15 PM: Quote from: Sagedawg on September 21, 2008, 11:25:15 AM
You can get any of them at NAPA ,Autozone etc. Let us know how it goes.

Sage

I will. I'm heading to the store in just a few minutes, actually.
Title: Re: Help! Having issues with my Knight Wolverine...
Post by: longstevo on September 24, 2008, 03:32:22 PM: Ok. Nothing worked. I soaked it in PB for about twenty, then tried. Nothing. Tried again. Nothing. Then I tried the bucket trick with hot water as mentioned above (minus the Mystery Oil, PB was sustitute). I got water to a boiling point, then filled a bucket just enough to cover the affected area. Then, for good measure, hit it with the PB again. Nothing. This morning, gave it a real good soaking, let it sit all afternoon, and tried. Nothing.

(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi113.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fn211%2Flongstevo%2FMuzzle.jpg&hash=0e3864f47af4c65d4112ad319e7b181cd4f923ea)

I'm sure we're all on the same page, but this is problem spot. I don't know if you can see in the photo, but there's some damage to the endcap (thats what the owner's manual called it) and I'm reluctant to torque on it much more with that particular wrench.

Um...any other ideas?
Title: Re: Help! Having issues with my Knight Wolverine...
Post by: Sagedawg on September 24, 2008, 04:13:42 PM: Sorry about my post above, I thought you were talking about the breechplug is what you couldnt loosen. Obvious 1st, are you turning it the right way? It needs to go to the left away from the safety. 2nd, when toy put it back together last year ,was it hard going together? Like maybe cross-threaded?

Sage
Title: Re: Help! Having issues with my Knight Wolverine...
Post by: longstevo on September 24, 2008, 05:18:06 PM: The manual says counter clockwise, so thats the way I've been turning it.

And no, I learned from a very young age (thanks Dad) to NEVER screw anything together if there's resistance, due to cross-threading.

Maybe I should just take the thing to a gunsmith. :twocents:!
Title: Re: Help! Having issues with my Knight Wolverine...
Post by: hard hunter on September 24, 2008, 08:22:14 PM: I hate to say it but it may be that time(gun smith), especialy if you want to use it in the next couple of weeks
Title: Re: Help! Having issues with my Knight Wolverine...
Post by: MagKarl on September 25, 2008, 10:04:49 AM: At this point, given that the season is right around the corner, I'd get a little bit more aggressive if it was my gun. If the end cap is already boogered, I'd get it out and order parts pronto. Propane might help and won't be hot enough to damage the metal like a real torch. Put that barrel in a vice and get a good hold on that plug and work it out.
Title: Re: Help! Having issues with my Knight Wolverine...
Post by: Sagedawg on September 26, 2008, 08:39:49 PM: Any luck yet? :dunno:

Sage
Title: Re: Help! Having issues with my Knight Wolverine...
Post by: longstevo on September 26, 2008, 08:43:24 PM: No, not yet. Took it over to Dad's tonight and we took the propane torch to it, trying to get it loosened, but no luck. On Monday he's taking it to his machine shop. I hope the thing isn't ruined. :'(

Good thing I've got a backup, though. ;)
Title: Re: Help! Having issues with my Knight Wolverine...
Post by: crocket on September 28, 2008, 06:30:07 AM: fyi last year i called the knight factory and asked them for a new hammer and breech plug assembly they asked me why i needed a new one and i told them that it was for a .54 cal and i just wanted spare parts because the no longer make the .54 well the guy 2 day aired the parts to me along with a new stock. i wanted a thumb hole stock but no luck they sent the bighorn stock instead all free of charge with a thanks for being a knight customer :)
Title: Re: Help! Having issues with my Knight Wolverine...
Post by: longstevo on September 30, 2008, 04:10:34 PM: For all those who were interested, I got the problem fixed.

Dad took it to his machine shop and put the sucker in a vice.

Thanks dad! :hello:
Title: Re: Help! Having issues with my Knight Wolverine...
Post by: hard hunter on September 30, 2008, 06:57:02 PM: congrats. glad to hear you had success, I kept checking with every new post
Title: Re: Help! Having issues with my Knight Wolverine...
Post by: Little Fish on October 03, 2008, 09:17:33 AM: So did you ever figure out why it froze up? I have the exact same gun and would lik to avoid such problems.
Title: Re: Help! Having issues with my Knight Wolverine...
Post by: longstevo on October 03, 2008, 04:22:46 PM: Ah, sure thing.

I guess over the year that it sat in the safe, the oil just dripped down and pooled. Then I fired it twice without cleaning it first, causing gunk to add to that oiled mess. Add the two, and you've got a stuck endcap.

The guys on the board were saying to oil the O-ring real good, and there shouldn't be a problem.

Good luck.
Title: Re: Help! Having issues with my Knight Wolverine...
Post by: Sagedawg on October 06, 2008, 04:00:12 PM: Glad to hear you got it fixed. Now go get another monster blacktail.

Sage