Post by: Smossy on January 14, 2013, 02:04:07 PM
Post by: Smossy on January 14, 2013, 02:05:31 PM
Post by: szairborne on January 16, 2013, 06:52:15 AM
Shayne
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Post by: scotty1969 on February 25, 2013, 10:13:37 AM
Post by: Special T on February 25, 2013, 12:58:48 PM
Post by: Smossy on February 26, 2013, 12:37:32 AM
im glad to see this after you replied so many times to my post yesterday(negatively)I see people were coming out of the woodworks here to help you out. :tup:This was one of my early\first posts. I learned from that. In which. Tried to pass on how it works to you. If you took that as negative then thats on you. I wasnt complaining when no one offered right away sir. Now ive met (in person) over 20 members and i have numerous people offering to show me\take me elk and white tail hunting this coming up season. Plus i cannot be around firearms so i need to pick and choose within those offers so im not violating state law.
Post by: RadSav on February 26, 2013, 03:01:30 AM
Calling coyotes in the dark to within bow range is much harder than during the daylight. Even with the red lense on your light they get quite skittish around 100 yards. Night time is the best with rifle, but loaded with issues with the bow. But it can be done. Probably no other animal has the sense of smell forcing you to play the wind as much as a coyote too.
I'm not up on the current laws of baiting coyotes in Washington, but I know guys that do very well with the bow baiting those flea bitten varmints. One friend does extremely well on dogs with the pellet rifle combined with baiting too. Though again if in Washington I would check the regulations first as I'm not real up to date on any weapon restrictions for coyote hunting in WA.
I assume it has been posted on H-W before, but here is a cool pellet gun/coyote video. Coyote Hunting With Fred Eichler of Predator Nation and the Benjamin Rogue Air Rifle (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3QZW9w4nJP0#ws)
At 20 yards a .22 pellet to the head works wonders as well. As long as it is out of an extremelly high performance air rifle. Guys will probably balk at it around here, but in Arizona it is quite common place. One of the Arizona airgun clubs actually has a airgun/coyote derby each year. But again it calls for close up shots and that usually means daylight hours unless you bait or are skilled and lucky.
Good luck to you :tup:
Post by: Special T on February 26, 2013, 07:49:44 AM
Post by: Smossy on February 26, 2013, 11:03:22 AM
Starting with one of the toughest to get with the bow! You master that and deer and elk will seem like a cake walk.Thanks again for your expertise RadSav. Ive thought about the air rifle thing myself but im not sure about how it works when hunting predators/pests. I think its not legal in our state but ive been known for being wrong before. We actually gotta go pick up some used coyote 3d targets from a gentlemen we met on here at cabelas today. Good deal on them but theyre quite used. Thats alright though gonna start setting them around the yard and practice practice practice. Id like to be effective with those lil guys at 60 yards. Still have some fine tuning to do on my bow though. Dont think id attempt that range on big game though.. not yet atleast.
Calling coyotes in the dark to within bow range is much harder than during the daylight. Even with the red lense on your light they get quite skittish around 100 yards. Night time is the best with rifle, but loaded with issues with the bow. But it can be done. Probably no other animal has the sense of smell forcing you to play the wind as much as a coyote too.
I'm not up on the current laws of baiting coyotes in Washington, but I know guys that do very well with the bow baiting those flea bitten varmints. One friend does extremely well on dogs with the pellet rifle combined with baiting too. Though again if in Washington I would check the regulations first as I'm not real up to date on any weapon restrictions for coyote hunting in WA.
I assume it has been posted on H-W before, but here is a cool pellet gun/coyote video. Coyote Hunting With Fred Eichler of Predator Nation and the Benjamin Rogue Air Rifle (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3QZW9w4nJP0#ws)
At 20 yards a .22 pellet to the head works wonders as well. As long as it is out of an extremelly high performance air rifle. Guys will probably balk at it around here, but in Arizona it is quite common place. One of the Arizona airgun clubs actually has a airgun/coyote derby each year. But again it calls for close up shots and that usually means daylight hours unless you bait or are skilled and lucky.
Good luck to you :tup:
Post by: Special T on February 26, 2013, 11:15:15 AM
Post by: Smossy on February 26, 2013, 04:10:36 PM
Depending on how "used" the targets are, you may be able to revive them by taking some cheep silicone calking from walmart, $2 a tube and filling in the holes helping ot bind the foam together. If there are BIG chunks gone you can use the "Great stuff" expanding foam to fill the voids.You need to wrap them in plastic wrap to trap the foam in. I have had mixed resultswith this method, but may work for sporadic use. In either case you would need to keep them in a warm spot 60+ deg while the foam or calking cures. I would think that inside a house at 60deg placed near a heat lamp or space heater you could get the temp a little higher and speed the cure time.We got them earlier. Theyre in decent condition. Def still shootable and guarantee there will be no passthroughs. Thanks for the advice to about the silicone and expanding foam. Itll be nice to have some solid targets for a change. The guy was really cool too. Ill keep him anonymous but hes willing to take me out scouting and looking for some deer. Really enthusiastic about it! Cant wait.
Post by: Curly on February 26, 2013, 04:17:19 PM
:chuckle:
Post by: hollymaster on February 26, 2013, 04:24:07 PM
Post by: Smossy on February 26, 2013, 04:43:47 PM
Have you thought about a crossbow? It would get you more range? :dunno:Not much more. If im not mistaken average effective range for xbow is 60 yards. But my question about that is... im not alowed to possess firearms... im limited already on my season... but.. being as its year round to hunt for coyotes would i actually be able to use one for that? Hmm you brought up a good idea worth finding out... i didnt want to pick up a xbow origioanly because i want to use my compound durring big game season and not have to choose between the two. So would i/ should i pick up a crossbow strictly for year round animal hunting? Coyote/rabbit etc. Then i could put electronics on it if im not mistaken like my lights at night to chase yotes. Sorry for my weird typing if it looks off.. im on my unsmart smart phone.
Post by: Smossy on February 26, 2013, 04:49:28 PM
Get more cats to use as bait. It appears that the yotes in the area already have a taste for cat. ;)Hahaah there is a chicken farm across the road from us.. i hear packs of coyotes out there almost every night but i havent seen one besides dead on the side of the road. Gonna eventually talk to the landowners over there once i figure out everything i need to do.
:chuckle:
Post by: RadSav on February 26, 2013, 05:15:38 PM
Post by: Smossy on February 26, 2013, 05:21:07 PM
Only benefit to the crossbow is the steadiness of aim. There is no advantage above a standard draw length compound in useful range. If you are only 5'2" maybe. But great crossbow efficiencies and longer range tactics are reserved for Hollywood and comic books.Right but heres my thought buddy. Being as how hard you and others say it is to nail one with a stringed weapon. Do you think having the weapon pre drawn with a crossbow, and the fact that you can use electronics be beneficial in my situation? I figure a crossbow would eliminate the movement aspect. Scent elimination is my biggest enemy right now though.
Post by: bobcat on February 26, 2013, 05:22:13 PM
The only disadvantage is they are spendy! At least the ones I have seen. Not sure if it's in your budget. Definitely something to consider in the future though.
Post by: RadSav on February 26, 2013, 05:34:43 PM
Only benefit to the crossbow is the steadiness of aim. There is no advantage above a standard draw length compound in useful range. If you are only 5'2" maybe. But great crossbow efficiency's and longer range tactics are reserved for Hollywood and comic books.Right but heres my thought buddy. Being as how hard you and others say it is to nail one with a stringed weapon. Do you think having the weapon pre drawn with a crossbow, and the fact that you can use electronics be beneficial in my situation? I figure a crossbow would eliminate the movement aspect. Scent elimination is my biggest enemy right now though.
The pre-draw movement aspect would be a benefit. Although isn't the whole idea of chasing these coyotes first to practice your techniques for the big game season? You master drawing on a coyote and no elk is ever going to catch you :IBCOOL:
The top end pellet rifle would give you the same limited movement benefit. And it would be lighter in weight, easier to carry and followup shots would be quicker. And you would likely save a $1,000 on setup. Though once again I do not know Washington's rules regarding airguns for varmints.
As far as scent...you will never eliminate scent enough to fool a down wind coyote. Important to make your setup in an area that is difficult for the quarry to approach form down wind. For the most part coyotes don't circle a great degree when coming to the call. So a few good obstacles should do the trick. Nothing is fool proof. But you can get the odds in your favor by setting up in the right spot.
Post by: Smossy on February 26, 2013, 05:37:02 PM
I would think that there would be a great advantage to a using a crossbow. Mainly being that you could much more easily shoot from a sitting position, and with a lot less movement than is required with a bow.Not really within my budget but then again nothing really is. Ive seen some fully built ones at some sporting stores with scopes already for about 300-400 bucks. Seems like it might be something worth saving up for. and your right bobcat i could imagine you could even lay down with a guilly suit and really call them in close.
The only disadvantage is they are spendy! At least the ones I have seen. Not sure if it's in your budget. Definitely something to consider in the future though.
Post by: Smossy on February 26, 2013, 05:41:29 PM
Lol you are absolutely right. I guess i got alittle sidetracked :) but its still something interesting to consider. Maybe further down the road then.Only benefit to the crossbow is the steadiness of aim. There is no advantage above a standard draw length compound in useful range. If you are only 5'2" maybe. But great crossbow efficiency's and longer range tactics are reserved for Hollywood and comic books.Right but heres my thought buddy. Being as how hard you and others say it is to nail one with a stringed weapon. Do you think having the weapon pre drawn with a crossbow, and the fact that you can use electronics be beneficial in my situation? I figure a crossbow would eliminate the movement aspect. Scent elimination is my biggest enemy right now though.
The pre-draw movement aspect would be a benefit. Although isn't the whole idea of chasing these coyotes first to practice your techniques for the big game season? You master drawing on a coyote and no elk is ever going to catch you :IBCOOL:
The top end pellet rifle would give you the same limited movement benefit. And it would be lighter in weight, easier to carry and followup shots would be quicker. And you would likely save a $1,000 on setup. Though once again I do not know Washington's rules regarding airguns for varmints.
As far as scent...you will never eliminate scent enough to fool a down wind coyote. Important to make your setup in an area that is difficult for the quarry to approach form down wind. For the most part coyotes don't circle a great degree when coming to the call. So a few good obstacles should do the trick. Nothing is fool proof. But you can get the odds in your favor by setting up in the right spot.
Post by: RadSav on February 26, 2013, 05:44:08 PM
and your right bobcat i could imagine you could even lay down with a guilly suit and really call them in close.
If you are young and tough that would be the way to do it! We did that hunting over bait for crows back in the 80's with early PSE and Bear crossbows. Worked great! These days I'm not sure my head would stay attached and I might need some help getting back up after an hour in that position.
Post by: Special T on February 26, 2013, 05:49:08 PM
Post by: RadSav on February 26, 2013, 05:50:58 PM
I guess i got alittle sidetracked :)
Welcome to the age of maturity and senior moments :chuckle:
Post by: Smossy on February 26, 2013, 05:54:50 PM
If you have a chicken farm near you you will ALWAYS have coyotes around... They don't call them chicken thiefs for nothing!Great! I cant wait to pick some off. Should i throw out a trail cam first or what? Maybe some bait if thats legal to try n snap pics? Not sure if i can bait them in to shoot though. Im still trying to figure everything out.
Lol @ Bryan your funny :chuckle:
Post by: Special T on February 26, 2013, 06:01:53 PM
Post by: HUNTINCOUPLE on February 26, 2013, 06:05:53 PM
Better get yourself a rabbit and bring it with you to your stand and grab its leg and just slightly twist it! Sure fire yotee getter right there!! Good luck! Be safe!
Post by: Special T on February 26, 2013, 10:01:36 PM
Post by: Smossy on February 27, 2013, 12:13:45 AM
Post by: elk247 on March 04, 2013, 01:16:19 PM
Post by: Smossy on March 04, 2013, 01:40:19 PM
If I was bow hunting yotes I think id try using a ground blind to cover up my draw movement. A used one should do just fine. The chicken farm is the perfect location and getting approval to hunt it should be easy. Coyotes are smart. Too bad you cant have someone back you up with a rifle if you aren't presented with a shot. So as not to educate the varmint. If you can use bait legally you should be able to have a nice little setup.Thanks for the advice elk. And welcome to the forums.
Post by: memmons on March 18, 2013, 05:25:11 PM
Thanks
Marc
Post by: Smossy on March 18, 2013, 05:46:49 PM
Smossy - Did you ever get out and try coyotes? I am thinking of doing the same thing. we camped on my property a couple of weekends ago and heard them all night. I would be interested in knowing if you had any success and what tactics you used?Unfortunetly I havent. I had to sign up for a very late May 20th Class to even get my Hunter Education so I havent had the opportunity to get anything yet. Im counting down the days though. Had a pack so close to the house the other day I thought the neighbors dog was being attacked. I was inside the house just about and heard it like the were blasting an electric coyote call next door. Sounds like a decent sized pack and they've been moving closer and closer to the house.
Thanks
Marc
Post by: KFhunter on March 18, 2013, 06:19:01 PM
Primos stray cat might be your ticket :chuckle:
Post by: Smossy on March 18, 2013, 06:53:54 PM
I would use a ground blind with an attractant, and calls. Spray some coyote urine on the ground near your caller and have a red light flooding the area but not too bright you scare them. Shouldn't take a lot of light 30 yards out. Put the light in a static location (not scanning) covering the attractant well ahead of the blind so your in the dark behind the light.Sounds like some great advice to me. Maybe ill just use the neighbors cat. :chuckle: jusst kidding.. That will prob be my battle plan then when it comes down to pickin them off. My girls step dad has a nice 360 blind he said i can use whenever. So thats a start.
Primos stray cat might be your ticket :chuckle:
Post by: buckfvr on March 18, 2013, 06:59:26 PM
Post by: ShaneTyTrey on March 18, 2013, 07:06:05 PM
Have you thought about a crossbow? It would get you more range? :dunno:Not much more. If im not mistaken average effective range for xbow is 60 yards. But my question about that is... im not alowed to possess firearms... im limited already on my season... but.. being as its year round to hunt for coyotes would i actually be able to use one for that? Hmm you brought up a good idea worth finding out... i didnt want to pick up a xbow origioanly because i want to use my compound durring big game season and not have to choose between the two. So would i/ should i pick up a crossbow strictly for year round animal hunting? Coyote/rabbit etc. Then i could put electronics on it if im not mistaken like my lights at night to chase yotes. Sorry for my weird typing if it looks off.. im on my unsmart smart phone.
Why can't you posses firearms?
Post by: buckfvr on March 18, 2013, 07:10:51 PM
Post by: Smossy on March 18, 2013, 11:12:33 PM
Past Felonies in a previous life. :dunno:Have you thought about a crossbow? It would get you more range? :dunno:Not much more. If im not mistaken average effective range for xbow is 60 yards. But my question about that is... im not alowed to possess firearms... im limited already on my season... but.. being as its year round to hunt for coyotes would i actually be able to use one for that? Hmm you brought up a good idea worth finding out... i didnt want to pick up a xbow origioanly because i want to use my compound durring big game season and not have to choose between the two. So would i/ should i pick up a crossbow strictly for year round animal hunting? Coyote/rabbit etc. Then i could put electronics on it if im not mistaken like my lights at night to chase yotes. Sorry for my weird typing if it looks off.. im on my unsmart smart phone.
Why can't you posses firearms?
Post by: ShaneTyTrey on March 19, 2013, 04:52:38 PM
Post by: Smossy on March 19, 2013, 04:54:31 PM
Felony bad, felonies worse...at least you are trying to turn it around.Felonies = Two crimes that ran together in a single act. Not multiple outings.. Just figured Id clarify. One mistake, worth multiple charges & at this point there is no trying, Its been turned around. That person I was died long ago.
Post by: elk247 on March 20, 2013, 02:36:23 PM
Post by: elk247 on March 20, 2013, 02:37:24 PM
Post by: Smossy on March 20, 2013, 04:24:36 PM
Ok, ill take one for the team. I'll come shoot your yotes with a bow, you can tag along. Lol :IBCOOL:Haha I havent even seen them yet, I just hear them all the time... CLOSE...
Post by: elk247 on March 20, 2013, 04:31:10 PM
I suppose i could mount a bayonet on my stablizer? :dunno:Ok, ill take one for the team. I'll come shoot your yotes with a bow, you can tag along. Lol :IBCOOL:Haha I havent even seen them yet, I just hear them all the time... CLOSE...
Post by: Smossy on March 20, 2013, 04:37:36 PM
Ohhh good idea!I suppose i could mount a bayonet on my stablizer? :dunno:Ok, ill take one for the team. I'll come shoot your yotes with a bow, you can tag along. Lol :IBCOOL:Haha I havent even seen them yet, I just hear them all the time... CLOSE...
Post by: elk247 on March 20, 2013, 04:49:49 PM
Post by: Smossy on March 20, 2013, 04:51:33 PM
Pick a 3d shoot and lets go. I havent been in years, its a good time. Usually like 3-5 buddys. Its similar to shootin a round of golf to me. Laid back. Skookum or tacoma sportsmans both have good courses in your area. Lemme know.Im a full member at Tacoma Sportsmans Club, Havent went up there to shoot yet though because I wont lie, Kinda nervous..
Dont know how the whole range thing works yet. I was CLOSE to attending the wet buffalo 3d shoot but I didnt man up and just do it :chuckle: