Hunting Washington Forum
Equipment & Gear => Guns and Ammo => Topic started by: jjhunter on September 20, 2008, 07:16:48 PM
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Here is the new rifle I had built for my CO mule deer hunt this year:
Blueprinted 700 action
Jewell Trigger (1.5 lbs)
HS Precision Green/Tan camo stock
27" Hart Barrel (12 twist)
Nightforce NXS 5.5-22x50 NP-R1
I am going to shoot 168 grn Berger VLD's at 3300-3350
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damn, that thing is killer!!! Caliber???
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Sorry, it is a 300 Win Mag. Most guys will go with an ultra mag these days, but I had to think about barrel life. I don't want to replace $500 barrels every year and fast is fast. I broke it in and it looks very promising! Still need to do some serious load development, though. One more archery trip and I will dedicate my time to getting this long-range machine running right.
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is that a full barrel? it looks FAT!
ive always wanted to get a custom rifle built. but its so hard for me to find something im 100% happy with so they any gun i buy has a very good chance of being sold after the season is over.
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BW, the barrel is an "undersized heavy" contour. It is made for 10lbs rifles. The rifle handles suprisingly well despite the weight. I happen to like heavy guns, they are much easier to shoot in the field and absorb a lot of recoil on a magnum rifle. I have personally gone through several semi-custom rifles and it is hard to find exactly what you want. If you do build one, make sure to not "go cheap" on any component. Get exactly what you want the first time and it will save you $$$ in the long run.
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wow that is a real nice rifle. Great choice on the rifle and the caliber.
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Very nice!!!!!! Who did the work for you? I agree so much with your reasoning on the caliber as well. Good shooting.
Sage
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sweet. love gun porn.
hand loaded 168 gn'ers will probably be blazin fast
some info on the who did the work and maybe a price tag would be cool.
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You ought to give TSX bullets a whirl too. I've been amazed at the accuracy I get from the bullets in sporting weight hunting rifles. I would imagine that in a rifle like that, the accuracy would be nothing short of stellar.
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Russ Haydon did the work on this one and did a very good job! I was very happy with everything.
Addicted - prices will vary a little, but you can expect to pay:
$450 Stainless Remington action $485 Hart (8 Flute) barrel
$200 Jewell Trigger $435 HS Precision Stock (camo, extra)
$150-200 True Action $50 bedding
$150 Chamber/Crown/Bead-blast barrel $1600 Nightforce Scope
$130 ADL - BDL Kit
A great shooting rifle that you have ultimate confidence in.......priceless.
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Great looking rifle!
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ALOT of scope and rifle for Mule deer! Out of curiosity.... what does it weigh all up?
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ALOT of scope and rifle for Mule deer! Out of curiosity.... what does it weigh all up?
Have to disagree with above (obviously). Kind of a generalization? I will agree that this is not ideal for all hunting applications, but it is PERFECT for the hunt it was intended for. I may be "new school" when it comes to hunting rifles, but having the best possible equipment to ensure a clean, ethical kill is the intended purpose. I will also agree that you won't see a lot of 12 pound rifles in the field, but then again, I am submitting myself to the "torture". A 36 ounce scope is also a little heavy, but it is a precision instrument and some of the best glass made. :)
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I will agree that this is not ideal for all hunting applications, but it is PERFECT for the hunt it was intended for.
How are you going to hunt with this set up? Seems to me it would be ideal for Long Range.
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How are you going to hunt with this set up? Seems to me it would be ideal for Long Range.
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I am going to hunt behind a pair of 15x Swarovski's for hours on end. Most of the shots are long because the terrain is flat and the scrub oak is tall. The idea is to find a buck with the "big eyes" and then prepare yourself for a long shot. I believe that you should have the right equipment ( and understand how to use it) before attempting long shots in the field - this is the right equipment.
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What kind of groups are you getting?
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Tony, I bought some cheap factory ammo to break it in. I shot one three shot group at the end of my range session and it was 1/2 inch. I am expecting 3/10ths with handloads, but I am more concerned with my groups at 500+. This barrel cleans like a dream - I am expecting good things! :)
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Those 15x56 SLCnew's are certainly the way to go for "Big Eyes".
I never gave much thought to long range hunting.... but here lately I've been toying around with a .300SAUM with VX-III 3.5-10x40 with M1 turrets and 180gr. Accubonds. A friend of mine manages a Ranch outside Hondo Tx. and each year is required to cull a large number of WT doe. Shot distance aren't very far (relatively speaking)... typically under 700 yards.
How's the terminal performance of the 168gr. Berger VLD's?
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Bergers are now being marketed as a hunting bullet.......... The are people (including some good personal friends) that are having great success with these bullets. The 168's are popular in the 7mm Mags and the 210's are usually the standard for the ultra mag crowd. I think recoil has a lot of impact on accurate shooting as well as shot recovery. I chose less powder and recoil and went with a smaller bullet. I think the 168 VLD (.504 B.C.) at around 3300 fps will be a managable, accurate round with exceptional terminal effect.
The Accubond is a great bullet!
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Russ Haydon did the work on this one and did a very good job! I was very happy with everything.
Addicted - prices will vary a little, but you can expect to pay:
$450 Stainless Remington action $485 Hart (8 Flute) barrel
$200 Jewell Trigger $435 HS Precision Stock (camo, extra)
$150-200 True Action $50 bedding
$150 Chamber/Crown/Bead-blast barrel $1600 Nightforce Scope
$130 ADL - BDL Kit
A great shooting rifle that you have ultimate confidence in.......priceless.
Agree 100%
Sage
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Nice lookin shootin iron jj. Your right, the 15's are the best 2 grand I've ever spent! Good luck this year. Later
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Russ Haydon built me a 7-08 , it's by far the most accurate rifle i own ,i have 4 other customs but his will shoot circles around the rest.
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There a website for his work and rifles?
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Beautiful Rifle---I think it will do the "trick" nicely
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Shot distance aren't very far (relatively speaking)... typically under 700 yards.
700 yards is short relative to what, the average shooter should never take a shot over 200 yards, i personally wont shoot over 300 and even then it would have to be perfect conditions.
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Russ Haydon built me a 7-08 , it's by far the most accurate rifle i own ,i have 4 other customs but his will shoot circles around the rest.
This 300 may not be my most accurate rifle, but I don't think I could have gotten a better end product anywhere else - especially for the price! Russ Haydon has a wesite, but you won't see any mention of gunsmithing on it. Give him a call if you want a first class rifle - he is a wealth of knowledge if you are an accuracy freak like me!
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I finally got to try this rig out on the 600 yard plate this weekend. It was pretty foggy, but there was no wind what-so-ever. Pretty ideal shooting conditions for our area. I set up the bench and shot a 100 yard group that was really tight. We had chrono'ed this load that seemed to be very accurate. I was using Nosler Custom Brass, a Federal Match LR primer, 75 grains of RL-22, and a 168 grain berger bullet. This load was shooting exactly the same as the new Nosler Manual - 3110 fps. After shooting a ragged hole at 100, we dialed up 41 clicks as per the NF ballistics program. I sent three shots down to the 600 plate and heard three distinctive "whops". We drove down to the plate and were amazed to find a 5/8 inch group dead center in the 10" x 10" plate. As you can imagine, I stopped shooting right there! I have no illusions that this will be standard for this rifle, but it did make me feel good that the rifle has definite potential!
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Are you planning to hunt Colorado from a high point in Eastern Washington? :dunno:
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Are you planning to hunt Colorado from a high point in Eastern Washington? :dunno:
:lol4:
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WOW, for that price it better pack the animal out for you, nice rifle. I have a 7mm browning with an A-bolt, floating stock, bi-pod, 6.5-20x50 leapold, etc... I found I don't use it as much as I use my 243 with a 3-9. The gun is not comfortable to pack all day and not good for under 200 yards. It is fun out past that. I've shot a yote at 617yds with it. :chuckle:
Not bashing your gun (I would love to have it) it is very purpose specific. ;)
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Teach, that "floating stock" must come in handy when you drop your rifle in the river :chuckle: The thing that I like best is that the rifle actually wipes my ass. And not with just toilet paper, but those moist adult wipes. Hell, I call it a bargain for that price!
Moose eyes, don't tell anyone that I am shooting CO deer from Eastern Washington. I could get several fines including shooting over the roadway and reckless endangerment.
Hopefully, there are some .300 win shooters out there who got something useful from my post.
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Not bashing your gun (I would love to have it) it is very purpose specific. ;)
Purpose specific??? I guess if your purpose is shooting whatever-the- you want... at whatever-the- distance you want... then yeah... it's VERY purpose specific!
Russ is a great guy... I drive out there once a month or so to shoot the - and buy some bullets. I've been shooting the 210 Bergers out of a .300 RUM... they do very well out to about 1200 yards... though MOA is about the norm... no matter the range. I can really dig the way you have your rifle put together... great 'smith, great components, super glass... what's not to love?
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Purpose specific??? I guess if your purpose is shooting whatever-the-- you want... at whatever-the-- distance you want... then yeah... it's VERY purpose specific!
:yeah:
Looks like a damn nice rifle to me.
ALOT of scope and rifle for Mule deer!
:dunno: Guys use .300 win mag. to kill mule deer all the time.
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Purpose specific??? I guess if your purpose is shooting whatever-the-- you want... at whatever-the-- distance you want... then yeah... it's VERY purpose specific!
:yeah:
Looks like a damn nice rifle to me.
ALOT of scope and rifle for Mule deer!
:dunno: Guys use .300 win mag. to kill mule deer all the time.
Maybe he was referring to the 22 power optics. :dunno:
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5.5x on the low end... don't think that's limiting anyone.
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5.5x on the low end... don't think that's limiting anyone.
What's your point?
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What's your point?
I was refering to the optics also... and 22x ain't a lot on a mule deer rifle... especially not one that's capable of shots in the 1k range.
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JoshT, I would just save your breath. Check out my Sonora topic, there are some obvious "haters" on the site. Thanks to those who shared the same sentiments by PM. I will keep it safe from now on. Now who wants to see a picture of my grandpa's old '06? :chuckle:
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Congrats on what seems to be a great custom rifle. Heaven forbid you want to shoot over 200 yards. It's just too bad that your gun is capable of killing every animal in the united States but it is very purpose specific. Looks like a great gun and good luck.
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22x ain't a lot on a mule deer rifle...
Are you serious? What would you consider "alot" then?
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JoshT, I would just save your breath . . . there are some obvious "haters" on the site.
If you are referring to me I can assure I am not a hater. I am a proponent of all hunters uniting against the real hunting haters because there are a lot of them out there. If you are into killing animals at over a half mile with 22X optics then have at it. I have no objection to what anyone does as long as it is legal.
But I am curious where the "hunt" comes in? It seems to me that "spot and stock" turns into "spot and snipe". I don't see where this takes any woodsmanship skills. And I really don't think it helps our cause as hunters. Seems this type of hunting only gives the antis ammunition against us.
I'm not trying to poo poo your methods or put you down for using them. But this is a forum designed for discussion, exchange of thought and opinions, etc. So I took the liberty of sharing mine and asked you a couple questions and made a couple statements. Conversation and respectful debate is healthy. Besides, maybe both of us can learn something by it.
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Nice rig!! Also I'll recomend Russ also, he really knows his stuff. I didn't know he was building rifles though.
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I'm not really saying anything bad about the gun, but I still think it is very specific, my 7mm is also very specific. I haven't used it for a couple years because I've been going for real hog mule deer in WA and in my country that means that I'm hunting really steep!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! country, did I mention steep :chuckle: Besides being steep it is thick, covered in dense willows. The last one I shot in this country was 27" wide and had nice mass, it was at 58 yards, oh ya with a Mathews also. :chuckle: Last year I used my wife's 308, its a single shot and with scope it only weighs about 7 pounds. The thing is I haven't shot at or put a second shot in a deer since I was 9 years old. My fist deer I shot 4 times along with my elk that year and since then I have never shot a deer more than once, and I've got a nice buck every year since. My point being is unless you need it, I like to have a more versatile gun that I can hold at my should firm and not have the front end so heavy.
This is my 7mm Mag (it's still a nice gun don't take we wrong)
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Teacher, I have actually enjoyed your replies for the most part. I may have thought that your reply to the Sonora post was a little condescending, but that may just be my interpretation. I agree that discussion is great and that some rousing is a big part of our great sport. However, to make comments that add no value or to question something that you may not understand but have already formed an opinion of should be kept to ones self. :twocents: If you have seen some of my pics, I am primarily an archery hunter and have had great success. I pride myself in my hunting abilities - I have hunted on 15 out-of-state tags - A lot for only being 27 years old. I am very open-minded when it comes to hunting and think that a majority of hunters are too close-minded. I do not feel that using a long-range rifle to take a deer at 500 yards is unethical or could be any less fulfilling. I challange anyone who thinks otherwise to find a 190" public land mule deer during the season, get within 500 yards of him and then make the shot. I takes a tremendous amount of skill both as a hunter and as a markman. Agree or disagree, we need to accept our differences and stand together.
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I love the rifle man, a little steep for me on the glass, but then again I've never seen that brand. Did you consider Burris or Millet's when making your decision? I might be a cheap ass, donno but I've never had a problem with either. What's your opinion on either? I'll get some pictures of mine as soon as I have the bedding done on the new stock I bought.
JoshT, I would just save your breath . . . there are some obvious "haters" on the site.
But I am curious where the "hunt" comes in? It seems to me that "spot and stock" turns into "spot and snipe". I don't see where this takes any woodsmanship skills. And I really don't think it helps our cause as hunters. Seems this type of hunting only gives the antis ammunition against us.
And what does it matter if he's just another hunter filling his freezer?
I think it's funny most of you say you don't hunt for the "sport" of it, however everybody who dislikes long range shooting always uses the same excuses. Also, could you please define "woodsmanship skills"?? Because I'm taking it as your'e saying in the event we shoot from 500m to a klick and a half it doesn't involve any movement or stalking skills? Crawl 4km to make a shot then come back and tell me this again.
I can understand if you're simply dismissing a long range shooter as somebody who stops their Chevy, props their 15 pound beast across the hood. Then whacks a buck from 700 meters, totally agree with you in that aspect. I consider it to be a bit unethical, but hey... the guy filled his freezer didn't he?
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Try and keep up, Ghost. We (jjhunter and I) were having a civil conversation. I don't recall asking you anything. Go back to reading Carlos Hathcock now . . .
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Ghost, the NF was supposed to be the best and I had the $$$, so I bought it. It is an amazingly precise instrument and I am very happy with it. It is my third NF scope and they have all been outstanding. I also have Leupold Tactical 6.5-20x50, 6.5-20x50 L.R., 8.5-25x50 L.R.......They are all awesome and get the job done! I have no experience with the Millet/Burris, but I am sure they work as well. The one downside is the weight, they are very heavy. For my medium weight varmint rifles I use the Leupold LR scopes, for my LW hunting rifles I use Swarovski 4-12x50 and 6-18x50.
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jjhunter -
How do those optics perform under low light conditions? Do you loose much at the higher settings?
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I haven't tried them in low light situations? They are extremely bright and clear during the day. The 5.5-22 is exceptional at all power settings. My eyes cannot distinguish the difference between 5.5 and 22? Head and shoulders over my Leupold LR 8.5-25x50. I haven't compared with Swarovski - clear is clear. If I can see, I am happy. I have used my 8-32x56 quite a bit and it is a also a great scope. They are worth every penny in my estimation. The weight is pretty substantial, though. Again, the one downside that I see. I bought it because they are the toughest scopes made and their tracking is flawless.
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Try and keep up, Ghost. We (jjhunter and I) were having a civil conversation. I don't recall asking you anything. Go back to reading Carlos Hathcock now . . .
Public forum. I offered a civil response. You didn't. Get used to it.
Ghost, the NF was supposed to be the best and I had the $$$, so I bought it. It is an amazingly precise instrument and I am very happy with it. It is my third NF scope and they have all been outstanding. I also have Leupold Tactical 6.5-20x50, 6.5-20x50 L.R., 8.5-25x50 L.R.......They are all awesome and get the job done! I have no experience with the Millet/Burris, but I am sure they work as well. The one downside is the weight, they are very heavy. For my medium weight varmint rifles I use the Leupold LR scopes, for my LW hunting rifles I use Swarovski 4-12x50 and 6-18x50.
Yea, I went to a Millet. Had a Burris 8-32x50 on my 700 however I don't like the fine plex. I'll look into them, never hurts to try new things. What do you use for your varmint rifle?
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I have a 6.5-20 and 8.5-25 Leupold LR on my varmint rifles. Also have a fixed 12x Leupold.
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Ouch, I guess I felt like I just didn't get my point across because I didn't say everything I was thinking, was never trying to come in at a negative angle, I tried to state that several times. Your correct, the Mexico post was suppose to be a joke, shouldn't have posted that. I figured everyone knew it wasn't like that, there is no such thing as an easy giant mule deer. Best of luck in your out of state adventures, I'm jealous. I have only been able to hunt in WA cant afford out of state stuff. So since I have never even been to Colorado I now have no opinion on your gun besides that I would have a blast with it on the range. Good luck on your hunt next year.
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Not too worried about it Teacher, I am pretty easy going. The post was just going south for awhile, didn't want it to turn into that, just wanted to talk about one of my new rifles and let folks know what was working for me. Regardless of who hunts where - you have made the most of your hunting opportunities by already killing a one-in-a-lifetime buck. I don't want any feuds, especially with a whitetail expert from up north. Those are the kinds of guys you want to make friends with, not piss off! Now, if we could only fast forward 8 months........:chuckle: :chuckle:
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Great choice of a gun for unit 101............................ :chuckle:
Sage
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Man I can't believe all the people that say things negative about subjects they don't know much about. :bdid: There are plenty of things that I read on this forum that I don't agree with and I don't see any need to post on those threads. It is very obvious that JJ knows a bit about hunting and long range shooting and I don't see a reason for anyone to question him the way some guys are. Also for those that don't know what a nightforce scope is get on any long range shooting site and you will soon see that they are one of the best scopes out there. JJ lets see that old 30.06 now :chuckle: I sure hope you don't have more then a 4x scope on it :rolleyes:
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It hasn't been put in the regs yet for 101 :chuckle: If it does I would be more than willing to help someone out with there first WT buck. I just want summer to get here so I can start scouting and getting trail camera picks. I hope that's not a once in a lifetime buck. My goal is to break into the 200's :chuckle: I've taken 6 over 150 in this area in the last decade.
You think that gun would be good to use in country that looks like this :chuckle:
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...Agree or disagree, we need to accept our differences and stand together.
Well spoken, sir.
Hows that thing treating you? How many rounds do you have through it so far? Have only seen a NF once in person at Sportsman's Warehouse. Glass looked great, but heavy. Heard nothing but positive things about them though.
Teacher, nice looking country in that photo!