Post by: vandeman17 on January 27, 2013, 04:08:24 PM
Post by: smdave on January 27, 2013, 04:40:49 PM
Ask your vet if this is something that would help.
Post by: vandeman17 on January 27, 2013, 05:09:33 PM
Post by: wildweeds on January 27, 2013, 05:19:45 PM
Post by: Mudman on January 27, 2013, 05:26:22 PM
Post by: vandeman17 on January 27, 2013, 05:27:48 PM
A crate will cure what ails your laundry room.How old is this pissin puppy? I got a pretty good Idea that she ain't that old.
She is in her crate most of the time but will pee when we pull her out or even a few minutes after we take her outside and she pees then. She is 8 and a half weeks old
Post by: Happy Gilmore on January 27, 2013, 05:31:34 PM
It was simply an untreated UTI which spread. Get to the vet, MAKE SURE it is not UTI. If it is, do the antibiotics religiously and do multiple follow ups. If pup pees then pees again shortly thereafter it's probably UTI. Also, get on cranberry supplements once you've gotten the antibiotic started.
Antibiotic will probably cost you about $25 so don't "piss" around and wait hoping it will change. Pups are venerable at 8 weeks. Don't go cheap and skip the vet visit. The new pup owner cost himself $3000 because he didn't follow through with the antibiotic and also a misdiagnosis from his vet. Pup is 100% fine now. It took almost 3 months to clear up a simple UTI once it spread to the kidneys. Should have just been a short cycle of antibiotics for $25.
Post by: Mudman on January 27, 2013, 05:37:39 PM
Post by: vandeman17 on January 27, 2013, 06:08:40 PM
She probably has a UTI- urinary tract infection. This almost always happens when pups have inverted vulva's. My litter had a few. One almost died because the owner just thought he was having a hard time potty training. The infection spread to the kidneys due to the wrong antibiotic being administered then, a vet misdiagnosing the problem as congenitive kidney failure.
It was simply an untreated UTI which spread. Get to the vet, MAKE SURE it is not UTI. If it is, do the antibiotics religiously and do multiple follow ups. If pup pees then pees again shortly thereafter it's probably UTI. Also, get on cranberry supplements once you've gotten the antibiotic started.
Antibiotic will probably cost you about $25 so don't "piss" around and wait hoping it will change. Pups are venerable at 8 weeks. Don't go cheap and skip the vet visit. The new pup owner cost himself $3000 because he didn't follow through with the antibiotic and also a misdiagnosis from his vet. Pup is 100% fine now. It took almost 3 months to clear up a simple UTI once it spread to the kidneys. Should have just been a short cycle of antibiotics for $25.
We took her into the vet for a series of shots earlier this week and they said that they didn't think it was a UTI but to keep our eye on her. We are going to try and get her in again this week to see what they say. We are just going through too many paper towels!
Post by: wildweeds on January 27, 2013, 06:10:27 PM
As to your 8 week old pup whizzin all over,at 8 weeks she should be able to hold it not much more than 2 hours,it's a hour per month of age if I remember right.
I've got to call my dentist,seems he was getting a black booger from the same litter,and a female too!
Post by: vandeman17 on January 27, 2013, 06:13:36 PM
My vet gave me the lecture on what causes UTI,I'm sure someone will call BS on this but the man is an A+ WSU grad with his own practice..................... feed with too much protein.
As to your 8 week old pup whizzin all over,at 8 weeks she should be able to hold it not much more than 2 hours,it's a hour per month of age if I remember right.
I've got to call my dentist,seems he was getting a black booger from the same litter,and a female too!
I totally agree that it takes time for pups to hold their bladders. It is just that she will pee in her sleep and often pees multiple times in a span of 5-10 minutes. Just little bits here and there. Just a few minutes ago she was walking along and just started peeing and kept walking.
Post by: AspenBud on January 27, 2013, 08:30:49 PM
I had a female pup that did something similar. Drove me nuts. At a little over 2 years that dog will hold it all day now (and she is fixed and does not need meds).
If you're really worried have the dog tested for a uti as others have suggested. But I suspect you are going to have to live with it for a while.
Try monitoring the pup's water intake a little too.
Post by: Happy Gilmore on January 28, 2013, 10:58:16 AM
At 8 weeks you can expect that sort of thing. It's the curse of a puppy. If the dog is still doing it at 9 months you might have a problem. At 8 weeks they're still developing physically and aren't able to keep it in much.
I had a female pup that did something similar. Drove me nuts. At a little over 2 years that dog will hold it all day now (and she is fixed and does not need meds).
If you're really worried have the dog tested for a uti as others have suggested. But I suspect you are going to have to live with it for a while.
Try monitoring the pup's water intake a little too.
With an inverted vulva and peeing too often you'd wait 9 months? Is your dog just now potty trained at 2 years old?
Post by: AspenBud on January 28, 2013, 11:59:07 AM
At 8 weeks you can expect that sort of thing. It's the curse of a puppy. If the dog is still doing it at 9 months you might have a problem. At 8 weeks they're still developing physically and aren't able to keep it in much.
I had a female pup that did something similar. Drove me nuts. At a little over 2 years that dog will hold it all day now (and she is fixed and does not need meds).
If you're really worried have the dog tested for a uti as others have suggested. But I suspect you are going to have to live with it for a while.
Try monitoring the pup's water intake a little too.
With an inverted vulva and peeing too often you'd wait 9 months? Is your dog just now potty trained at 2 years old?
My point is inverted vulva or not, it's not realistic to expect an 8 week old pup to even remotely be able to show a level of bladder control. Their bodies are still developing. Puppies pee everywhere and at the most inopportune times if you don't keep cycling them out the door throughout the day and even monitor their water intake...and even then they'll still catch you with your pants down. And yes, they even whiz in their sleep sometimes at that age.
I mentioned 9 months because I don't think there is any doubt at that age that you have a problem if the dog is still doing this. It was a random number since when a dog is fully potty trained is often dictated by the owner, dog, breed, and line. Some are easier to potty train than others.
Nothing wrong with testing for a UTI though. But I'd be surprised if the pup has one.
(All of my dogs were water tight by about 6 months)
Post by: wildweeds on January 28, 2013, 12:04:15 PM
Post by: Happy Gilmore on January 28, 2013, 07:18:20 PM
Post by: vandeman17 on January 28, 2013, 07:41:53 PM
Post by: Cascade_fisher on January 28, 2013, 10:06:09 PM
Maybe a helpful tip on house training- put a bell on the doorknob that the dog gets let out of to go potty. Ring it and say your command ("hurry up" for us, for example). The dog will learn to go ring the bell when they need to go out in short order. The puppy should be able to have control of its bladder in the 1 hour per month range and be totally house broken at 6 months.
Post by: Mudman on January 28, 2013, 10:21:30 PM
Took the pup to the vet after work today and they did a urinanalysis and didn't find any bacteria but did find that there were white blood cells in there which lead him to think that it could be a UTI. We got some antibiotics and we will see what happens.You a good puppy Daddy n Mommy. :tup:
Post by: Happy Gilmore on January 29, 2013, 12:40:01 AM
Took the pup to the vet after work today and they did a urinanalysis and didn't find any bacteria but did find that there were white blood cells in there which lead him to think that it could be a UTI. We got some antibiotics and we will see what happens.
At that age with an inverted vulva it's a uti with the frequency of urination. Finding the right antibiotic is critical at this age. Guessing which one will work is a crap shoot. Vet should do a culture to make sure it doesn't get missed and turn into a kidney infection.
Post by: Happy Gilmore on January 29, 2013, 12:44:08 AM
Post by: benbo30 on January 29, 2013, 08:25:40 AM
It's a UTI, IMO.
Maybe a helpful tip on house training- put a bell on the doorknob that the dog gets let out of to go potty. Ring it and say your command ("hurry up" for us, for example). The dog will learn to go ring the bell when they need to go out in short order. The puppy should be able to have control of its bladder in the 1 hour per month range and be totally house broken at 6 months.
:tup: the bell on door works great that's what we did with our yellow lab he picked it up fairly quick
Post by: quadrafire on January 29, 2013, 09:00:40 AM
Inverted vulvas typically do not cause leaking, but as happy states they can lead to UTI. Puppies will fairly commonly have vaginitis which can also lead to inappropriate urination.
I think at 8 wks she is too young to be considered potty trained IMO.
If she is leaking that young, DES/Proin will not likely be the answer. (they are used for older/spayed females that develop incontinence)
There is a condition called ectopic ureter that can cause leaking and should be evaluated for somewhere down the line (if the leaking continues).
For the time being I would crate train, get her outside like clock work and see how she is over the next 2-3 weeks.
Of course this is after she is determined to Not have a UTI
Post by: vandeman17 on January 30, 2013, 06:16:25 PM
Post by: Happy Gilmore on January 30, 2013, 09:07:46 PM
Thanks for all the input guys. We have been trying to get her outside every hour or so when we are awake in the evenings and every two hours at night. We will see if the antibiotics make any difference and go from there. Sure feels like we have a kid and not a dog... hahaha
Talked to a friend tonight who has one of my puppies. Her girl Totem(being trained as a diabetic detection dog and for hunt tests and hunting) just got diagnosed with a UTI. That makes four out of 6 in my litter. I've been trying to see if there is anything I could have done differently raising the pups and doing a ton of research on the topic. As I mentioned before, one of the other pups almost died directly as a result of a UTI infection going unchecked.
Totem had a little slight issue early on around 10 weeks. Symptoms subsided and the owner wanted to avoid giving pup antibiotic at all costs. She gave cranberry supplements and switch to a lower protein food as precautions. Totem wasn't showing the obvious symtoms of orangish/bloody urine, increased urine smell and not having "un-expected/uncommon accidents".
Far better to not ignore and assume frequent or unusual urination and get a check up. Antibiotics are cheap. When you've got a dog with an inverted vulcva and suspicious/noticable issues with urination frequency and duration it's better to error on the side of caution.
Post by: Mudman on January 30, 2013, 09:24:55 PM
Post by: Happy Gilmore on January 30, 2013, 10:48:20 PM
Genetics. Maybe food too much protein? Does the momma have uti issues? That would make sense if its genetic.
E coli isn't something which is genetic. Inverted vulvas are a trait which is passed genetically. My female had neither inverted vulva or any uti infections in her life.
Post by: Mudman on January 31, 2013, 12:25:49 AM
Post by: Happy Gilmore on January 31, 2013, 01:10:29 AM
Wasnt refering to e-coli but physiology. Trying to help? Genetics a longshot. Sometimes things can just be bad luck? :dunno:
No, not trying to be defensive. It's something to have in the back of your mind for sure. I've personally known the dam, sire, granddam of my bitches' line and I talk to the owners of the grand sire, grand dam, great grand dam and great grand sire of my dog on a regular basis. I've discussed this and many other traits with the prior owners. It's a unique function of the Chesapeake world. We're a close knit family unlike many other breeds. I think it is something that not only myself but, many other people involved in Chesapeakes hold as a manner of pride.
I can say without hesitation that I have bred and I am breeding some of the best Chesapeake Bay Retriever bloodlines in the United States. In the show world, Joanne Silver has produced more Champions than any single breeder. In the field trial world, Linda Harger is the top. I'm lucky enough to be able to put those two together and hope for the best. The additional bonus is that I've been lucky enough to spend a fair amount of time with them both personally and I've talked to them both face to face about the ins and outs of the bloodline. That is the goal of a person who wants to breed dogs for the betterment of the breed. Bring together the best of the best. That is my goal. Put together the proper testing and hopefully you have bettered your odds of producing something good. Then you cross your fingers twice and do it again a third time behind your back with your legs crossed! :chuckle: Shat still happens and you can only do your best.
Research pedigrees, know their tendencies, admit your own dogs faults, choose to breed dogs who's faults or positives compliment each other and again, hope for the best.
ok....I'm rambling again...call me on that anytime..genetic trait that I just blame on my Dad!
Post by: vandeman17 on February 18, 2013, 05:14:10 PM
Post by: Happy Gilmore on February 18, 2013, 05:54:53 PM
Update: She has done better has far as not having the small accidents but now we are fighting a new monster. She will be outside for hours at a time, come in a pee on the floor. She also will pee when you pick her up or pretty much any time. Starting to get tired of cleaning up pee!
You crate training or does she get to run around in the house? Does she pee in her crate?
Post by: wildweeds on February 18, 2013, 05:58:00 PM
The scent is going to kill you,you can't smell it but she can,I used "Nolvasan" Sterilizing liquid to decon the whelping room,it's the same cleaner they use at the vet in the surgery area,it kills every kind of bad ju ju you ever could think of,it also removes any kind of urine/poo scent.Every week the pups would run all over perplexed on where to pee.Get some and wipe down every place you've had an accident.You'll buy the "Nolvasan" at a feed store and it's kind of expensive but is a good start at potentially fixing your problem,It smells good too.
Update: She has done better has far as not having the small accidents but now we are fighting a new monster. She will be outside for hours at a time, come in a pee on the floor. She also will pee when you pick her up or pretty much any time. Starting to get tired of cleaning up pee!
Post by: Happy Gilmore on February 18, 2013, 06:40:45 PM
I sold a pup to a guy and the guy was quite astute and noticed that I had cedar shavings all over the whelping room floor where the pups would do their buisness,they would jump out of the sleeping area that was straw go do their buisness in the shavings.He went home,screwed together a small box and filled it with shavings for texture.His pups mastered the dog door and the potty area and had 2 accidents total,a #1 and #2.He called me giddy with delight over the potty training and said it was all about the "Texture" of the buisness area.Perhaps your pup likes the texture of the floor in the house? Do the accidents happen all over or are they isolated to one particular floor covering.
The scent is going to kill you,you can't smell it but she can,I used "Nolvasan" Sterilizing liquid to decon the whelping room,it's the same cleaner they use at the vet in the surgery area,it kills every kind of bad ju ju you ever could think of,it also removes any kind of urine/poo scent.Every week the pups would run all over perplexed on where to pee.Get some and wipe down every place you've had an accident.You'll buy the "Nolvasan" at a feed store and it's kind of expensive but is a good start at potentially fixing your problem,It smells good too.Update: She has done better has far as not having the small accidents but now we are fighting a new monster. She will be outside for hours at a time, come in a pee on the floor. She also will pee when you pick her up or pretty much any time. Starting to get tired of cleaning up pee!
I think it's about $30 at the Grange but, it dilutes so you stretch it out a long way. I kind of like the smell. Sterilized my whelping room every day with it for a month. She should be able to hold her pee for at least a couple of hours. Also try keeping the rags you wipe up the pee with in a plastic bag. Take them outside with you(or leave them out if it's not raining) put them in the spot where you want her to clean out. Take her to that spot every time you go out. If she doesn't pee within a few mintutes, put her back in her crate in the house. Do this every couple hours. You'll get it. Limit free play time in the house. Play with pup, go in crate. No free time for pups outside of the crate when you're having potty training issues. It's not called Potty Hoping, it's potty training....keep it that way
Post by: vandeman17 on February 18, 2013, 08:27:41 PM
Update: She has done better has far as not having the small accidents but now we are fighting a new monster. She will be outside for hours at a time, come in a pee on the floor. She also will pee when you pick her up or pretty much any time. Starting to get tired of cleaning up pee!
You crate training or does she get to run around in the house? Does she pee in her crate?
She is in the crate for most of the time. She is in the crate while we are at work and she sometimes pees in there but often pees right as we let her out which is understandable. She is outside with our other dog most the evening and only comes in for a little bit every night before bed. She loves to pee in the kitchen and we have cleaned the whole area with everything we could think of. The kitchen is her favorite spot to pee but that doesn't mean it is the only place. She is notorious for peeing when you pick her up or take her out of her crate etc.
Post by: wildweeds on February 18, 2013, 09:24:55 PM