Post by: MikeC on January 28, 2013, 08:55:42 PM
Post by: HUNTINCOUPLE on January 28, 2013, 08:59:16 PM
Post by: Crunchy on January 28, 2013, 09:00:28 PM
Post by: gaddy on January 28, 2013, 09:01:44 PM
Post by: bobcat on January 28, 2013, 09:04:02 PM
I would go with a 270 Winchester or maybe a 30/06.
You really can't beat the 30/06. But if you want a little less recoil then get the 270.
Post by: JPhelps on January 28, 2013, 09:06:01 PM
Post by: elkinrutdrivemenuts on January 28, 2013, 09:08:07 PM
Post by: sirmissalot on January 28, 2013, 09:14:42 PM
I can't add those cool smilies and stuff using tapatalk otherwise I would have inserted one of those little chuckling guys.
Post by: MikeC on January 28, 2013, 09:17:09 PM
Post by: elkinrutdrivemenuts on January 28, 2013, 09:25:44 PM
Thanks for your quick replies, my buddy is looking for a rifle as well so I will share with him. Most common response seems to be 7mm and 270. Would you prefer standard or wsm? I love my 300 RUM but it beats the hell out of me and I think it causes me to jerk some of my shots. I was thinking of having a muzzle brake installed on it here soon.
Don't ever put a brake on a hunting rifle! Your ears will hate you!! But your buddies won't be hunting near you either so it's a catch 22 ; )
If you think they kick hard I take back the 338 suggestion, what are you running through it and what kind of stock is on it?
Post by: Bob33 on January 28, 2013, 09:27:13 PM
Post by: wildweeds on January 28, 2013, 09:28:15 PM
Post by: dvolmer on January 28, 2013, 09:31:01 PM
Post by: RB on January 28, 2013, 09:31:10 PM
:twocents:
Post by: RadSav on January 28, 2013, 09:36:29 PM
I too am a fan of the 7 Mag. But, I still think if we are talking best All Round Elk/Deer caliber it has to be the 30.
If we start talking cartridge that's a different debate. I'd still probably swing to either the 30-06 or 300 Win Mag.
Post by: MikeC on January 28, 2013, 09:37:01 PM
Thanks for your quick replies, my buddy is looking for a rifle as well so I will share with him. Most common response seems to be 7mm and 270. Would you prefer standard or wsm? I love my 300 RUM but it beats the hell out of me and I think it causes me to jerk some of my shots. I was thinking of having a muzzle brake installed on it here soon.
Don't ever put a brake on a hunting rifle! Your ears will hate you!! But your buddies won't be hunting near you either so it's a catch 22 ; )
If you think they kick hard I take back the 338 suggestion, what are you running through it and what kind of stock is on it?
The rifle is a Browning A- Bolt Stainless Stalker. Nothing custom.... There are not too many ammo options for it although it has grown over the past few years. I have tried the remmington power level ammo and it definitely helps with the recoil. My thought was to buy something smaller, if nothing else to add to the collection right.
Post by: bobcat on January 28, 2013, 09:42:14 PM
If I had a 300 RUM, I'd want it in a much heavier rifle.
Post by: Dan-o on January 28, 2013, 09:42:51 PM
Great round.
Ammo available everywhere.
Incredible bullet selection.
Post by: bobcat on January 28, 2013, 09:44:20 PM
Since you already have a good long range rifle, I'd go with a nice, light 270.
Post by: elkinrutdrivemenuts on January 28, 2013, 09:49:54 PM
Thanks for your quick replies, my buddy is looking for a rifle as well so I will share with him. Most common response seems to be 7mm and 270. Would you prefer standard or wsm? I love my 300 RUM but it beats the hell out of me and I think it causes me to jerk some of my shots. I was thinking of having a muzzle brake installed on it here soon.
Don't ever put a brake on a hunting rifle! Your ears will hate you!! But your buddies won't be hunting near you either so it's a catch 22 ; )
If you think they kick hard I take back the 338 suggestion, what are you running through it and what kind of stock is on it?
The rifle is a Browning A- Bolt Stainless Stalker. Nothing custom.... There are not too many ammo options for it although it has grown over the past few years. I have tried the remmington power level ammo and it definitely helps with the recoil. My thought was to buy something smaller, if nothing else to add to the collection right.
You got a synthetic stock on it? A wood stock might help eat some recoil. I got the 338 rum with a wood stock, they do kick a lot, but with practice and a scope with good eye relief they can be mastered! I have noticed a huge difference between rifles with wood stocks and synthetic. You got a great all around flat shooting caliber that will knock the heck out of anything you point it at. Lots of good suggestions already named for a caliber to add to your collection, which is never a bad thing! Just don't put a brake on it, they are like training wheels on a bike, you'll never really learn how to ride or shoot with one on.
Post by: EDT on January 28, 2013, 09:59:07 PM
Thanks for your quick replies, my buddy is looking for a rifle as well so I will share with him. Most common response seems to be 7mm and 270. Would you prefer standard or wsm? I love my 300 RUM but it beats the hell out of me and I think it causes me to jerk some of my shots. I was thinking of having a muzzle brake installed on it here soon.
I love my Rem 700, 270 WSM. I use it for everything...no issues at all.
Post by: huntnnw on January 28, 2013, 10:21:15 PM
Post by: Smokepole on January 28, 2013, 10:24:01 PM
I think the 30-06 is a great one to mention, even though I've never owned one. You can find shells where ever you travel. Great all-purpose gun. But I'll take my 7mm. :tup:
Post by: 6x6in6 on January 28, 2013, 10:51:02 PM
I also own 6 other rifles, some bigger some smaller. These hold down the gun safe during deer and elk season. :chuckle:
Post by: 6x6in6 on January 28, 2013, 10:54:05 PM
Post by: GEARHEAD on January 28, 2013, 10:57:29 PM
Post by: FisherKing on January 28, 2013, 10:58:47 PM
Post by: carpsniperg2 on January 28, 2013, 11:00:47 PM
Post by: huntnphool on January 28, 2013, 11:01:33 PM
Seven millimeter magnum!:yeah:
Post by: DBHAWTHORNE on January 28, 2013, 11:31:46 PM
The above cartridges are truly Deer/Elk Combo Cartridges (which if I understand correctly is what you are looking for). There are other ones but those are the most popular chamberings and unless you are a reloader or just prefer something "different" I would go with one of those. Any of those cartridges will do the job and have recoil and muzzle blast that most hunters can tolerate. Anything above these becomes intolerable for most people (no matter how much they won't admit it)... it's not that they are afraid to shoot the gun in and of itself but most people I see trying to shoot the bigger magnums have poor shooting habits (I know I do after a few rounds). The older I get the more I lean toward shooting guns that will get the job done effectively and efficiently (i.e. least amount of recoil). Certainly thousands of elk have been killed with 25-06 and .243 but I wouldn't classify those true deer/elk combo cartridges.
If you are leaning more towards primarily elk and wanted to go a little bigger than the above chamberings I would get the .300 Win Mag (which will bring your recoil down 7-8 pounds vs the same size rifle and bullet in the 300 Ultra). The 338 is a great elk caliber but you would be over gunned for deer and back up to 300 Ultra recoil.
My personal choice for a true Deer/Elk Combo without being over gunned or under gunned???... To me it would come down to the 7mm Magnum or the 30-06. I think of all the calibers I mentioned they provide the perfect balance of manageability and performance. I would probably go with the 30-06 because I prefer .30 calibers over 7mm's...but thats just a personal preference. Both chamberings have similar recoil that is on the heavy end of manageable in hunting weight rifles and thus tolerable for most shooters. The .30-06 will probably work just fine but if you want better trajectory then obviously the 7mm Magnum is the rifle you want. The 300 Win (which I love) is manageable for some but still a little more recoil than I personally like to deal with for extended target practice on the range with a hunting weight rifle.
I currently use .308 but that is because my primary interest is deer with Elk barely on my radar.
Post by: DBHAWTHORNE on January 28, 2013, 11:38:58 PM
http://www.longrangehunting.com/articles/308-winchester-1.php (http://www.longrangehunting.com/articles/308-winchester-1.php)
These are the shots he's made with the .308
A few noteworthy long range kills with the 308:
1: Dall sheep 763 yards. One shot.
2: Dall sheep 600 yards.
3: Bull moose 438 yards. Dropped with one shot.
4: Dall sheep 400 yards. 2 shots (only needed one)
5: Mule deer 318 yards. Dropped with one shot.
I'm personally not a 600+ yard shooter on game...(more like 400 and under) but obviously even the awesome .308 will do what you need it to do with minimal recoil (though if elk was a big one on the list I would still probably step it up on notch to the .30-06) :twocents:.
Post by: PolarBear on January 29, 2013, 12:01:59 AM
Post by: csaaphill on January 29, 2013, 12:06:13 AM
Your 300 RUM is a great all around rifle. I can't imagine anything it wouldn't do. But I guess you must be looking for something lighter, and perhaps with less recoil?love my .270
I would go with a 270 Winchester or maybe a 30/06.
You really can't beat the 30/06. But if you want a little less recoil then get the 270.
Post by: huntnphool on January 29, 2013, 12:15:50 AM
Your 300 RUM is a great all around rifle. I can't imagine anything it wouldn't do. But I guess you must be looking for something lighter, and perhaps with less recoil?Recoil is going to be vurtually the same, basically the same caliber, except you get a better overall BC from the .270 bullet, they both utilize the same case. Step up to the .280 and get even better BC while utilizing the same case as both the .270 ans 30-06.
I would go with a 270 Winchester or maybe a 30/06.
You really can't beat the 30/06. But if you want a little less recoil then get the 270.
Stick with the 7mm. :twocents:
Post by: bobcat on January 29, 2013, 12:22:03 AM
There's no advantage to the 280. It's a great cartridge, I'll give it that. But the 270, 280, and 30/06 are all so close they're virtually the same. What one will do so will the others.
The 280 is great if you want to shoot something that is "different" especially if you're a reloader. If you don't reload, there's no sense in paying extra for ammo that doesn't perform any better than the 270 or the 30/06.
Post by: huntnphool on January 29, 2013, 12:25:06 AM
I have both a 270 and 30/06. The 270 recoils less using a 130 grain bullet versus a 150 or 165 in the 30/06. Admittedly, it's not a significant difference. If you can shoot a 270, you can probably shoot a 30/06 just as well.All three utilize the same case, however the BC is better with the .270 bullet and even better with the .284 bullet. :twocents:
There's no advantage to the 280. It's a great cartridge, I'll give it that. But the 270, 280, and 30/06 are all so close they're virtually the same. What one will do so will the others.
The 280 is great if you want to shoot something that is "different" especially if you're a reloader. If you don't reload, there's no sense in paying extra for ammo that doesn't perform any better than the 270 or the 30/06.
Post by: bearpaw on January 29, 2013, 12:41:11 AM
I purchased some 130 gr barnes ttsx to give a try in my .30 mags, not sure how the accuracy will be yet, but if I can find an accurate load they will be fast, flat, and not recoil badly, and with the barnes as soon as that 130 is halfway through the animal it will weigh more than most brands of 180's which come apart, so it's going to exit leaving a good hole. But I have not got the loads worked up yet to prove this, it's only a theory, but based on the performance of 165 and 150 gr bullets, and if the 130 will shoot accurately, my theory should be sound.
Having said all that, if you're not a handloader and you want a great shooting caliber with the least recoil and the most knockdown, I don't think you can beat the 280 remington. However, the catridges are a little tougher to find and that caliber is underproduced, it's hard to find that caliber of guns because more people want them than what's being produced.
For easy to find cartridges and a huge choice of guns, with coniderable less recoil than the magnums, look to the .270 or 30/06, those cartridges are always available and they will kill almost anything in N.A., deer and elk can be taken regulary out to 300 to 400 with a little practice and quality bullets.
Bottom line, the basic cartridge used for the 30/06, 280, 270, and 25/06 produces excellent results for anything from coyotes to elk with moderate recoil. Pretty tough to beat unless you want to deal with magnum recoil.
If you want something a little exotic, fast and flat with lots of shock without too much recoil (but the catridges are tougher to find), try a 257 wtby, 264 win mag, 270 short mag, or 270 wtby.
There, I did my best to make your choice even tougher. :chuckle:
Post by: BigBucks on January 29, 2013, 07:42:43 AM
Post by: D-Rock425 on January 29, 2013, 08:06:23 AM
Post by: CP on January 29, 2013, 08:10:07 AM
Factory ammo can be pricey but I load my own into .270 or 30-06 brass which is easy to come by.
Post by: FisherKing on January 29, 2013, 09:08:16 AM
Post by: Mongo Hunter on January 29, 2013, 09:36:11 AM
7mm RM
Post by: BULLBLASTER on January 29, 2013, 09:42:12 AM
Post by: vaz,,66 on January 30, 2013, 12:42:47 AM
7 mm.rem. is the best all around cal. my :twocents:
Post by: Eli346 on January 30, 2013, 04:48:14 AM
Post by: MADMAX on January 30, 2013, 05:51:04 AM
You can get a sweet vanguard in synthetic and blue for the price of an ADL.
I found a Mark V in synthetic and stainless with a burris lightseeker scope mounted and dies for 500 bucks and a 30-06 ADL in trade on Seattle guns .net
We all have been really impressed with the round.
:twocents:
Post by: coachcw on January 30, 2013, 06:13:41 AM
Post by: Whitetail freak on January 30, 2013, 06:55:23 AM
Post by: Bookworm007 on January 30, 2013, 10:18:36 AM
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Post by: h20hunter on January 30, 2013, 10:24:43 AM
Post by: HoofsandWings on January 30, 2013, 04:05:42 PM
O'Conner used a .270 for African big game and pretty much anything else.
Post by: huntnphool on January 30, 2013, 04:16:06 PM
you can find rounds for both anywhere you go. That is why it is the best "all around" caliber.I have yet to walk into any gun shop and not found 7mm ammo. :twocents:
Post by: h20hunter on January 30, 2013, 04:23:35 PM
Post by: 400out on January 30, 2013, 04:23:43 PM
300WSM with a butt pad on it for the kick. Works like a charm for anything out there that brown or black and needs to go down.x2 nothing has went more than 50 yards after being smoked by mine! even when running ;)
Post by: bobcat on January 30, 2013, 05:14:00 PM
:stirthepot:
Post by: Curly on January 30, 2013, 05:19:06 PM
30/06 is the best. Period. End of story.
:stirthepot:
Certainly the best parent case for some very good cartridges. :tup:
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on January 30, 2013, 05:29:12 PM
I will go along with that ! :chuckle: :tup:30/06 is the best. Period. End of story.
:stirthepot:
Certainly the best parent case for some very good cartridges. :tup:
Post by: JimmyHoffa on January 30, 2013, 05:31:59 PM
Post by: lostbackpacker on January 30, 2013, 05:49:53 PM
I don't currently shoot one but did for years. My current is .338 win mag for elk. Plenty of knock down power up to 400 yds.
.270 wby may for all else. Flat shooting
Post by: Taco280AI on January 30, 2013, 05:52:00 PM
If going deer more than elk go 270
If going equally a 280AI
Post by: elkinrutdrivemenuts on January 30, 2013, 05:57:43 PM
Post by: huntnphool on January 30, 2013, 06:14:10 PM
How do you justify it to the wife to have 10 different hunting rifles?One firearm per pair of her shoes, problem solved!
Post by: Dan-o on January 30, 2013, 06:22:29 PM
7MM Rem Mag it is!
Post by: huntnphool on January 30, 2013, 06:35:34 PM
so it sounds like we're all in agreement then.A couple of them in the classifieds right now too. :tup:
7MM Rem Mag it is!
Post by: DBHAWTHORNE on January 30, 2013, 06:51:33 PM
so it sounds like we're all in agreement then.A couple of them in the classifieds right now too. :tup:
7MM Rem Mag it is!
That's because people are getting rid of them to get a more effective cartridge. :chuckle: :stirthepot:
Post by: Dan-o on January 30, 2013, 06:56:22 PM
so it sounds like we're all in agreement then.A couple of them in the classifieds right now too. :tup:
7MM Rem Mag it is!
That's because people are getting rid of them to get more effective cartridge. :chuckle: :stirthepot:
DOH!
Post by: huntnphool on January 30, 2013, 07:03:16 PM
:chuckle: Don't get it twisted, there are more .270's and 30-06's on there than 7's. ;)so it sounds like we're all in agreement then.A couple of them in the classifieds right now too. :tup:
7MM Rem Mag it is!
That's because people are getting rid of them to get more effective cartridge. :chuckle: :stirthepot:
Post by: HUNTINCOUPLE on January 30, 2013, 07:20:15 PM
Post by: rosscrazyelk on January 30, 2013, 07:22:34 PM
Post by: DBHAWTHORNE on January 30, 2013, 07:30:40 PM
:chuckle: Don't get it twisted, there are more .270's and 30-06's on there than 7's. ;)so it sounds like we're all in agreement then.A couple of them in the classifieds right now too. :tup:
7MM Rem Mag it is!
That's because people are getting rid of them to get more effective cartridge. :chuckle: :stirthepot:
Yep...it's a great round.....I was reading on chuckhawks.com today that the 7mm Mag is the top end of what Chuck Hawks considers "All Around Rifle Cartridges"... above that the recoil becomes intolerable for most people. The other "All-Around Cartridges" were the 270, .308 and 30-06. Great rounds like .280 and others didn't make the cut based on factors unrelated to performance.
http://www.chuckhawks.com/all_around_cartridges.htm (http://www.chuckhawks.com/all_around_cartridges.htm)
Post by: huntnphool on January 30, 2013, 07:37:21 PM
Well isn't that interesting. :dunno: Same case as the 30-06 and better BC bullet, I would think it would actually perform pretty well compared to the 06 and .270.Quote from: link=topic=117061.msg1543736#msg1543736 date=1359601396Quote from: link=topic=117061.msg1543715#msg1543715 date=1359600693Quote from: link=topic=117061.msg1543689#msg1543689 date=1359599734Quote from: link=topic=117061.msg1543661#msg1543661 date=1359598949
Great rounds like .280 and others didn't make the cut based on factors unrelated to performance.
Post by: DBHAWTHORNE on January 30, 2013, 07:41:05 PM
Well isn't that interesting. :dunno: Same case as the 30-06 and better BC bullet, I would think it would actually perform pretty well compared to the 06 and .270.Quote from: link=topic=117061.msg1543736#msg1543736 date=1359601396Quote from: link=topic=117061.msg1543715#msg1543715 date=1359600693Quote from: link=topic=117061.msg1543689#msg1543689 date=1359599734Quote from: link=topic=117061.msg1543661#msg1543661 date=1359598949
Great rounds like .280 and others didn't make the cut based on factors unrelated to performance.
Yeah....it didn't make his list for reasons other than performance.. talking strictly performance the .280 made the list no problem... It didn't make the list because of these three requirements for the purposes he was discussing:
Available in a variety of rifle types and actions
Available in major hunting centers worldwide wherever big game is hunted
Factory cartridges stocked just about anywhere centerfire ammo is sold in North America
Post by: huntnphool on January 30, 2013, 07:44:16 PM
Ah, I get it now, those reasons are spot on too, IMO.Well isn't that interesting. :dunno: Same case as the 30-06 and better BC bullet, I would think it would actually perform pretty well compared to the 06 and .270.Quote from: link=topic=117061.msg1543736#msg1543736 date=1359601396Quote from: link=topic=117061.msg1543715#msg1543715 date=1359600693Quote from: link=topic=117061.msg1543689#msg1543689 date=1359599734Quote from: link=topic=117061.msg1543661#msg1543661 date=1359598949
Great rounds like .280 and others didn't make the cut based on factors unrelated to performance.
Yeah....it didn't make his list for reason other than performance.. talking strictly performance the .280 made the list no problem... It didn't make the list because of these three requirements for the purposes he was discussing:
Available in a variety of rifle types and actions
Available in major hunting centers worldwide wherever big game is hunted
Factory cartridges stocked just about anywhere centerfire ammo is sold in North America
Post by: supagoose on January 30, 2013, 09:39:30 PM
Post by: WDFW Hates ME!!! on January 30, 2013, 09:44:40 PM
I shoot a 300 win mag, i can shoot it all day long also, but i feel it.
My boy shot a cow this year right at 200 yards with his 270 and she dropped. I shot a cow @ 275 with my 300 WM and she dropped. Both worked like they were supposed to.
I am a firm believer that it is more about where you put the bullet rather than what the cross sectional density of said bullet is.
Post by: coachcw on January 30, 2013, 10:22:17 PM
Post by: Blacklab on February 01, 2013, 02:14:44 PM
Some guys even build 7mm rugers :hunter: then they sell it and build a 6.5 :chuckle:
lol I cut to the chase an just went grendel........... :IBCOOL:
Post by: D-Rock425 on February 01, 2013, 02:21:39 PM
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Post by: huntnphool on February 04, 2013, 06:54:52 PM
this could go on forever with no result. but i like what d-rock said. i need to learn how to put an arrow pointing up that says "yeah that". mike wwhen replying just click on the " :yeah: " emoticon. ;)
Post by: splitshot on February 04, 2013, 07:49:23 PM
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Post by: huntnphool on February 04, 2013, 07:52:51 PM
:yeah: :bdid: :yike: :hello: :IBCOOL: :bash: :sry: :sry: wanted to see if it worked. mike wYou got it :tup:
If you click [more] right below the :) ;) emoji's there are even [more] :chuckle:
Post by: supagoose on February 04, 2013, 08:47:17 PM
The correct answer is whatever you can shoot well enough to out that bullet right in the sweet spot every single time.
:yeah: :tup: cant say it any better myself